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This article was nominated for deletion on 9 March 2013 (UTC). The result of the discussion was keep.

Is there evidence of COI?

This article went through Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Roosh. ‎ David FLXD moved page from Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Roosh to Roosh with edit summary "Created via Articles for Creation (you can help!) (AFCH)". Is it the article creator with the conflict of interest? User talk:Lapastillaroja? If so, what is the evidence that the article isn't neutral? Is there unreferenced material or POV issues? If so, that should be addressed rather than tagging the article without providing evidence. Star767 (talk) 16:44, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

I suspect both User talk:Lapastillaroja and User:Ethicalv (note that "v") are very closely aligned with Daryush Valizadeh (pseudonym "Rush V"). Both are SPA's dedicated to this deeply unpleasant topic. As for the article, none of the "sources" deal with this person in any depth at all. It's just an overview of short outraged pieces in various languages about misogynistic self-published books by this fellow. That's one side. The other side is self-promotion. Dan Murphy (talk) 16:57, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

This article was up for deletion: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Roosh. Someone complained the "this deeply unpleasant topic". The answer: "Does this wanne-be-famous Roosh deserve to be notable? Clearly, no. However, that's not the question. Misplaced Pages, within reasonable limits, does not take a judgemental position on content. The issue is, does Roosh meet GNG? Equally clearly, yes. Ekstrabladet in Denmark has nationwide circulation, and he managed to annoy the Danes enough to get coverage that makes him notable. "National" (or regional) coverage doesn't just apply to the U.S., it's equally so for any country. Getting to be famous by being outstandingly offensive is not a deserving tactic, but it does work."

Another editor said: "Well-referenced article showing significant coverage from numerous reliable sources. Don't discount them just because they're from parts of the world you don't care about."

So if we go by reliable sources, and stop worrying about "who" started the article, we don't have to let our value judgments or opinions affect our editing. Star767 (talk) 18:48, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Star767. There is no evidence of a conflict of interest, and even if there was, the article would have ended up substantially the same as it is now. I will remove the tag. – Smyth\ 15:14, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

The evidence I found of potential COI that I referred to in the AfD talk is that there is a thread on Roosh's board, about this wikipedia article which coordinated edits are discussed. There also happens to be a username of LaPastillaRoja on Roosh's board. However, as noted already, the article's content is likely not affected by this potential COI as everything is sourced from external sources.PearlSt82 (talk) 16:08, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes I am a fan of Roosh writings Lapastillaroja (talk) 18:42, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Real name

Several editors have inserted an alleged real name for this person. The only source so far provided is a domain name registration, which does not prove anything at all -- he could have provided a fake name, or gotten someone else to register the domain for him. Please do not reinsert this information without a reliable source. – Smyth\ 15:19, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Article should mention Roosh's lack of scientific credibility

Roosh is not a psychologist and has no training in the statistical methodologies (e.g., econometrics) which govern the social sciences. None of his claims are peer-reviewed. Yet such a transparent charlatan is allowed to have a Misplaced Pages page where his (empirical/psychological) claims about women's sexuality go unchallenged? Utterly preposterous. This needs to change quickly. Steeletrap (talk) 04:13, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

I suppose you also write letters to Cosmopolitan complaining that their articles aren't peer-reviewed by scientists either. – Smyth\ 13:06, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Advice columns are distinct from systems which purport to be scientific/relating to female sexual psychology. Steeletrap (talk) 14:04, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

He doesn't write in a particularly scientific style. It's more a kind of of social commentary. Anyway, after I wrote the above I found that there actually is a section in Cosmopolitan (magazine) containing similar complaints about its pseudo-scientific claims. It's tagged citation needed, and the same would apply here. – Smyth\ 21:34, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

The article doesn't make any claims that Roosh is a psychologist or social scientist, as Roosh is neither a psychologist nor social scientist, just a pick up artist and author (and charlatan), which the article does state. Most of the English-language critiques of his work, including several of Bang Iceland for his comments on rape, do not meet WP:RSPearlSt82 (talk) 19:50, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

You guys are funny! Giovanni. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.114.248.7 (talk) 02:09, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Ethnicity, place of birth

Roosh's surname is Iranian and he has confirmed on his forum that he has Iranian heritage. Should this be added to the article? Also, any information regarding his place of birth could be useful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.123.40.185 (talk) 08:34, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

What a coincidence - just yesterday Roosh started a thread dealing with this specific subject. He is half Iranian and half Armenian.

http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-27445.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.123.40.185 (talk) 10:38, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

notability

He Self-published a bunch of books. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.118.64.249 (talk) 08:00, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

The deletion discussion should answer your question. – Smyth\ 14:53, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Birth date

(Moved from User talk:Elmech])

Since you say his birth date is supported by "all the sources and reality", you will have no problem providing a citation for it. Thanks. – Smyth\ 21:51, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

hey man, there are tons of sources for that. bio page on rooshv.com, datingskills page, and so on. I don't want to advertise him, please try to be correct and balanced, and not show your love to Rooshv so much

You want Misplaced Pages to be correct? Misplaced Pages wants that too. That's why its policy states that you must provide a reliable source (or, in this case, a self-published one by the subject himself) which clearly supports the given date. Otherwise it must be removed. – Smyth\ 22:44, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

@Smyth: If you have a source that says a different birth date, please share it here. Otherwise, we will keep the current one. EvergreenFir (talk) 06:12, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

You're a bit behind. I was the one who found the only reliable source I've seen so far. – Smyth\ 10:02, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Laparistoja is here only to write ireeliatst good things about Roosh, despite all reality or truth

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