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| :By "''...it is taken that the user has taken note of any warnings''" I think you mean that we should assume that he has taken note. This is like the Misplaced Pages rule that we should always assume good faith. We all know that situations eventually arise with some editors where we can no longer do that. It's the same here. Even if Andreas11213 HAS "''taken note of any warnings''", I think there are many of us who believe the warnings are making no difference to behaviour. Surely there comes a time to move beyond such artificial "assumptions". ] (]) 10:52, 12 June 2014 (UTC) | :By "''...it is taken that the user has taken note of any warnings''" I think you mean that we should assume that he has taken note. This is like the Misplaced Pages rule that we should always assume good faith. We all know that situations eventually arise with some editors where we can no longer do that. It's the same here. Even if Andreas11213 HAS "''taken note of any warnings''", I think there are many of us who believe the warnings are making no difference to behaviour. Surely there comes a time to move beyond such artificial "assumptions". ] (]) 10:52, 12 June 2014 (UTC) | ||
| ::Woo hoo! To quote Banjo Patterson, it seems that, at last, there <u>might</u> be "movement at the station"!! ] (]) 12:19, 12 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::In case it wasn't bleedingly obvious to readers of Andreas's talk page, I've made an unusually large amount of effort to educate this person. Let me hasten to add: "As have others." In fact, it is <u>very</u> unusual that so many experienced editors have gone to so much effort and been so tolerant of this person's recalcitrance. Why is this? It's because Andreas shows the <u>ability</u> to be a VERY useful and VERY productive contributor. | |||
| ::I started off being "a bit irritated" by his attitude and behaviour. Then I decided this was not useful, so I decided to be extremely polite and helpful, giving the best advice I could. In this modus operandi, I persisted for some time. However, this didn't seem to gain any sort of positive result from him, so I eventually moved to a combination of blunt factual statements and humorous sarcasm and cynicism. To my surprise, this also resulted in the same outcome - i.e. absolutely NO acknowledgement, and absolutely NO change in behavior. (OK, I'm naïve - on pragmatic reflection, why might it lead to any change?) | |||
| ::As those who are familiar with my modus operandi would now, I could go on. At length. Giving cited examples. (And I'm forced to admit the temptation is almost unavoidable.) But, ... I won't. | |||
| ::I'll simply say: Andreas: Normally, the next step would be for you to be blocked indefinitely. End of conversation. | |||
| ::However, very unusually, you are being offered an alternative, and this is only because you have illustrated your positive abilities, (in addition to your unacceptable behavior.) | |||
| ::That alternative is that you agree to modify your behavior into the "acceptable" class. | |||
| ::Should you respond in any form or manner that implies ANYTHING other than your willingness to modify your behaviour, you WILL be blocked - not just for a week - permanently. And let me educate you that this is no idle threat; in your very brief career of 1,500 edits you have succeeded in pissing of a HUGE number of people - there will be NO shortage of people willing to bang nails into the lid of your coffin. | |||
| ::I trust that I have been unambiguous. If there is anything about which you are unclear, do not hesitate to ask, because, genuinely, this is your very last chance to do so. ] (]) 12:19, 12 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
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advice:User Pages
Andreas, and others I notice the recent arguments over warnings being posted here please read WP:UP#OWN this space is to discuss matters relating to the user, it not owned by the user it is a community page and all community policies apply including civility and edit warring. Content can be archived(preferred) or removed by the user with some exceptions, in doing so it is taken that the user has taken note of any warnings. Gnangarra 10:04, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
- By "...it is taken that the user has taken note of any warnings" I think you mean that we should assume that he has taken note. This is like the Misplaced Pages rule that we should always assume good faith. We all know that situations eventually arise with some editors where we can no longer do that. It's the same here. Even if Andreas11213 HAS "taken note of any warnings", I think there are many of us who believe the warnings are making no difference to behaviour. Surely there comes a time to move beyond such artificial "assumptions". HiLo48 (talk) 10:52, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
- Woo hoo! To quote Banjo Patterson, it seems that, at last, there might be "movement at the station"!! Pdfpdf (talk) 12:19, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
- In case it wasn't bleedingly obvious to readers of Andreas's talk page, I've made an unusually large amount of effort to educate this person. Let me hasten to add: "As have others." In fact, it is very unusual that so many experienced editors have gone to so much effort and been so tolerant of this person's recalcitrance. Why is this? It's because Andreas shows the ability to be a VERY useful and VERY productive contributor.
- I started off being "a bit irritated" by his attitude and behaviour. Then I decided this was not useful, so I decided to be extremely polite and helpful, giving the best advice I could. In this modus operandi, I persisted for some time. However, this didn't seem to gain any sort of positive result from him, so I eventually moved to a combination of blunt factual statements and humorous sarcasm and cynicism. To my surprise, this also resulted in the same outcome - i.e. absolutely NO acknowledgement, and absolutely NO change in behavior. (OK, I'm naïve - on pragmatic reflection, why might it lead to any change?)
- As those who are familiar with my modus operandi would now, I could go on. At length. Giving cited examples. (And I'm forced to admit the temptation is almost unavoidable.) But, ... I won't.
- I'll simply say: Andreas: Normally, the next step would be for you to be blocked indefinitely. End of conversation.
- However, very unusually, you are being offered an alternative, and this is only because you have illustrated your positive abilities, (in addition to your unacceptable behavior.)
- That alternative is that you agree to modify your behavior into the "acceptable" class.
- Should you respond in any form or manner that implies ANYTHING other than your willingness to modify your behaviour, you WILL be blocked - not just for a week - permanently. And let me educate you that this is no idle threat; in your very brief career of 1,500 edits you have succeeded in pissing of a HUGE number of people - there will be NO shortage of people willing to bang nails into the lid of your coffin.
- I trust that I have been unambiguous. If there is anything about which you are unclear, do not hesitate to ask, because, genuinely, this is your very last chance to do so. Pdfpdf (talk) 12:19, 12 June 2014 (UTC)