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| :'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''Delete'''. This is not and never will be a "defining" property. A list may be more appropriate for this. ] (]) 16:59, 7 July 2014 (UTC) | :'''Nominator's rationale:''' '''Delete'''. This is not and never will be a "defining" property. A list may be more appropriate for this. ] (]) 16:59, 7 July 2014 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Delete''' I'm not even sure that ] is notable (although, given that it is sports-related, I may be in a minority position here). In any case, as the nom says, this is not a defining property. --] (]) 21:33, 7 July 2014 (UTC) | *'''Delete''' I'm not even sure that ] is notable (although, given that it is sports-related, I may be in a minority position here). In any case, as the nom says, this is not a defining property. --] (]) 21:33, 7 July 2014 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Keep''' These enemies of due process need continued exposure for their racism. It is not sports related, it is related to a bunch of people presuming guilt and undermining the due process that all criminal defendants should be given. To make matters worse they were rewarded for their attacks and presumptions of guilt, although their hero, Nifong, did have his license revoked. They should not get to remove their badge of infamy. Multiple books have been written focusing on their misdeads, books written by respected writers and academics and well sourced. They are notable.] (]) 04:56, 12 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Comment''' This is a defining property for these educators. Their most public act was a willingness to condemn students before a fair hearing had been reached, to denounce students on the grounds that they were white, "privileged" and so forth, and to spew hatred at these students. These people made it a defining link by publicly signing a letter that was the antithesis of due process.] (]) 05:09, 12 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
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Category:Canadian Christian priests
- Propose merging Category:Canadian Christian priests to Category:Canadian Christian clergy and to Category:Canadian priests
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. The religious leaders/clergy/priests hierarchy has too many layers already, and no other countries in Category:Priests by nationality have this particular intersection. Category:Christian priests does not have any other national sub-cats; nationalities are analysed in the parents, Category:Christian clergy by nationality and Category:Christian religious leaders by nationality. This one only holds two sub-cats, which are already within the Anglican and RC parts of its third parent Category:Christian priests, so it does not need to be merged there. – Fayenatic London 21:51, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
- Support nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:27, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
- Upmerge an unneeded holding layer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:26, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Category:Misplaced Pages articles incorporating text from the Columbia Encyclopedia
- Nominator's rationale: Only member was a talk page of an article that used the Columbia Encyclopedia as a general reference, not incorporating text, and there is no template to populate this as a tracking category. Revent 21:24, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
Actors from Greater Sudbury categories
- Delete Category:Actors from Greater Sudbury
- merge Category:Actresses from Greater Sudbury to Category:People from Greater Sudbury and Category:Actresses from Ontario
- Merge Category:Male actors from Greater Sudbury to Category:People from Greater Sudbury and Category:Male actors from Ontario
- Nominator's rationale: Delete Category:Actors from Greater Sudbury and Merge to Category:People from Greater Sudbury and Actresses from and Male actors from Ontario, respectively per WP:SMALLCAT. I check on all the articles on actors born in Greater Sudbury, in the actresses category there a 3 articles and the male actors category they we're only two articles. And that's the only five on each category and that's not enough for it's population of articles and it's growth per WP:SMALLCAT. One category will be deleted and the remaining two categories will be split into two existing categories. I nominate the Greater Sudbury categories for nomination per WP:SMALLCAT. Steam5 (talk) 20:40, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
- Support per nominator. 207.102.255.107 (talk) 21:10, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
- Not split, but upmerge to multiple parents stated in the nomination. ("Split" would mean some go to one and some to the other. You want all members to go into both parents.) – Fayenatic London 22:01, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
- I need your help Fayenatic, Could you fix the categories from a split into a merge and change the word split into merge in order to go to both parents, please? Steam5 (talk) 22:40, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
- Never mind, I fix it from a split into a merge. Steam5 (talk) 22:46, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
- Upmerge I think the intersection of city+career is normally trivial, especially since most people have little connection to a particular place in acting (some other careers are different, but acting is not heavily connected with a place).John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:28, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Category:Misplaced Pages articles incorporating text from the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica with an article parameter
- Nominator's rationale: This is a currently empty tracking category (yes, I see the emptycat) with a scope that is duplicated by the target. Other {{EB1911}} deprecated parameter errors aim at the target, no reason for this one not to also. Minor edit to {{EB1911}} needed. Revent 17:41, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose This is not the place to discuss this. The place to discuss it is on the talk page of the templates that populate the category. As the category is now empty, when it is discussed on the talk page of the template that populates it, I will propose that rather than altering the code to redirect the output to some other category that the parameter is deleted from the code (and then and only then can the category can be deleted). -- PBS (talk) 21:59, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
Category:Misplaced Pages articles incorporating text from the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica with a wikisource parameter
- Nominator's rationale: This is a currently empty tracking category (yes, I see the emptycat) with a scope that is duplicated by the target. Other {{EB1911}} deprecated parameter errors aim at the target, no reason for this one not to also. Minor edit to {{EB1911}} needed. Revent 17:37, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose This is not the place to discuss this. The place to discuss it is on the talk page of the templates that populate the category. As the category is now empty, when it is discussed on the talk page of the template that populates it, I will propose that rather than altering the code to redirect the output to some other category that the parameter is deleted from the code (and then and only then can the category can be deleted). -- PBS (talk) 22:00, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
Category:Group of 88
- Propose deleting Category:Group of 88 - Template:Lc1
- Propose deleting Category:Group of 88 - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: Delete. This is not and never will be a "defining" property. A list may be more appropriate for this. Nigel Pap (talk) 16:59, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
- Delete I'm not even sure that Group of 88 is notable (although, given that it is sports-related, I may be in a minority position here). In any case, as the nom says, this is not a defining property. --Randykitty (talk) 21:33, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
- Keep These enemies of due process need continued exposure for their racism. It is not sports related, it is related to a bunch of people presuming guilt and undermining the due process that all criminal defendants should be given. To make matters worse they were rewarded for their attacks and presumptions of guilt, although their hero, Nifong, did have his license revoked. They should not get to remove their badge of infamy. Multiple books have been written focusing on their misdeads, books written by respected writers and academics and well sourced. They are notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:56, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
- Comment This is a defining property for these educators. Their most public act was a willingness to condemn students before a fair hearing had been reached, to denounce students on the grounds that they were white, "privileged" and so forth, and to spew hatred at these students. These people made it a defining link by publicly signing a letter that was the antithesis of due process.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:09, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
Category:Tornidae stubs
- Propose deleting Category:Tornidae stubs - Template:Lc1
- Propose deleting Category:Tornidae stubs - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: Delete. Exhaustive search of permanent category did not turn up enough new members to justify a stub category. Propose deleting category and upmerging template to Category:Hypsogastropoda stubs. Dawynn (talk) 12:13, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:58, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Category:Staszów County geography stubs
- Propose deleting Category:Staszów County geography stubs - Template:Lc1
- Propose deleting Category:Staszów County geography stubs - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: Delete. Very underpopulated for a stub category, yet CatScan turns up no more hits. Propose deleting this category and upmerging template to Category:Świętokrzyskie geography stubs. Dawynn (talk) 12:04, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, unless it gets populated. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:59, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Category:People by ethnic or national descent by continent
- Nominator's rationale: I think two "by's" are not good. -- 068129201223129O9598127 (talk) 10:34, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
- Comment Neither is an incorrect use of an apostrophe. Lugnuts 12:52, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
Anyway...Support per normal format of using "and" when there are two "by" attributes. SFB 17:10, 7 July 2014 (UTC)- >>> Nominator's change of proposal <<< Just realized that my suggested name would conflict with another type of cats, e.g. if one compares these two cats: Category:Asian people by ethnic or national origin and Category:People of Asian descent. Changing title for renaming to Category:People by continent of ethnic or national descent. This is to help understand, that the continent of the persons current residence is not of interest here, as opposed to the other type of cats.
- keep as it is The current name correctly and clearly describes the contents of this category and the contents are not being changed here. And there is no rule around here about two 'by's in a name being a bad thing. Hmains (talk) 02:12, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
- Support original name of "Category:People by continent and ethnic or national descent". The original does not show that the purpose of this category is to combine the continent attribute with the ethnic/national one in this category (so "and" is required). The new proposal is very unidiomatic - to splice it down: what is a person's continent of national descent? I prefer the current title to the changed proposal. SFB 22:21, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Category:Former provinces of the Republic of China
- Nominator's rationale: Rename for consistency with main article Republic of China (1912–49). Although there is a history page at History of the Republic of China, these former provinces relate to the years stated. Note that this category has a new parent Category:Republic of China (1912–49). – Fayenatic London 08:50, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
- Comment They're really only "former" provinces if we're looking at the Republic of China of today (which consists of Taiwan plus a few small islands). Would suggest either
- Comment the current Republic of China still claims Outer Mongolia, Outer Manchuria, as lost provinces, and claims suzerainty over Mainland China... so these would not he "former" provinces, but provinces outside of central control of the government in Taipei... the apparent content of the category are provinces that do not exist under PRC administration but still exist under ROC rolls, which lie within the territory controlled by the PRC... ; those provinces that ceased to exist under the regime 1912-1949 should be split off to the proposed category. -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 04:59, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
- Comments The template, Template:Suspended ROC provinces, refers to these as "De jure" or "suspended".RevelationDirect (talk) 11:38, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Category:LGBT nobility
- Propose deleting Category:LGBT nobility - Template:Lc1
- Propose deleting Category:LGBT nobility - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: Delete.With the exception of perhaps one or two people, virtually no one on this list can be verified as someone who identified as homosexual--this list is almost entirely retroactive speculation. For example, Pope Benedict IX is listed under this category, despite there no concrete evidence of there ever being an LGBT pope. Besides, 'Gay Royalty' already covers the aforementioned category in my view. Solntsa90 (talk) 05:21, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
- Trim and Keep This category is a natural head to the descending categories and has a well-defined scope. Non-relevant categorisations should be removed per normal process when the existence of the category is not inherently problematic (e.g. Category:Stupid popes). Gay royalty does not cover the same scope as Gay is not the same as LGBT, and royalty is not the same as nobility. SFB 17:15, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
- Delete As poorly regulated magnet for unsourced, ahistorical attempts to impose modern understanding on historical figures, who did not see the world in the same terms.John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:29, 9 July 2014 (UTC)