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| :::Oh, I know fansites aren't a reliable source. I'm not saying it is. --]] 08:25, 16 July 2014 (UTC) | :::Oh, I know fansites aren't a reliable source. I'm not saying it is. --]] 08:25, 16 July 2014 (UTC) | ||
| ::::You may not be, but Harmony944 certainly has been arguing to that end.—] (]) 08:57, 16 July 2014 (UTC) | ::::You may not be, but Harmony944 certainly has been arguing to that end.—] (]) 08:57, 16 July 2014 (UTC) | ||
| ::::They're certainly more reliable than the sources ''you've'' been using. You just won't concede that. You've still haven't answered about the OTHER seasons using the colon. BECAUSE THEY NEVER DID. --] (]) 15:25, 16 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
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Ryulong: We should be discussing this here on the article's talk page, not on my talk page. Now in the discussion from 2 years ago at Talk:Power Rangers Samurai#Shinkenger it was decided that it be can said in the Power Rangers Samurai article that it's an adaptation Samurai Sentai Shinkenger, because it's common sense to say so per WP:COMMON. As for reliable sources, there's a promotion photo that shows the Goseiger costumes in the KidScreen news article that is reference 1. As well, the news articles from Ledger-Enquirer and WRBL that are references 12 and 13 have photos that show the cast of Megaforce in the Goseiger costumes. I don't have compare the two images to come to a conclusion by myself because anyone who looks at the two images will come to same conclusion. That's common sense and therefore not original research. Powergate92Talk 19:37, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
- No. Because you are the only one raising the issue. In the discussion 2 years ago I backed down because you wouldn't accept the fact that your own personal identification that the photos and costumes in all the press material were from Shinkenger (now it's Goseiger) is still WP:OR. I know it's Goseiger, but we cannot print that fact here until it's officially stated by the production team. I am going to be firm about this this year. Until something from Saban says both "Megaforce" and "Goseiger" in it, this page will not make any mention of the Super Sentai Series that you and I and the fandom most definitely know is the source for this year's program. Our inherent knowledge of the subject is not enough to make that conclusion and that is all I am going to say on this matter unless it comes to a dispute resolution board.—Ryulong (琉竜) 11:34, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
- 1) I was not the only one who disagreed with you in those discussions from 2 years, User:Charles RB, User:NotARealWord, User:Rick lay95, and User:Digifiend also disagreed with you because they came to the conclusion as I. 2) WP:SYNTHESIS is about when two different sources say two different things, don't make your own conclusion. This is in no way the same thing. 3) Since we seem to be at a complete disagreement, I'm starting a WP:Requests for comment below. Powergate92Talk 04:02, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
- To respond to 1), none of them are regular editors and there were discussions on other noticeboards regarding the nature of the dispute and nothing came of it until I threw my hands in the air in defeat. To respond to 2), WP:SYNTHESIS is most indeed the same thing as what's going on here. You are looking at photographs of the Goseigers and looking at photographs of the Megaforce Power Rangers and coming to (the correct but previously unpublished) conclusion that the two are one in the same. And 3) is fine.—Ryulong (琉竜) 11:53, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
- 1) I was not the only one who disagreed with you in those discussions from 2 years, User:Charles RB, User:NotARealWord, User:Rick lay95, and User:Digifiend also disagreed with you because they came to the conclusion as I. 2) WP:SYNTHESIS is about when two different sources say two different things, don't make your own conclusion. This is in no way the same thing. 3) Since we seem to be at a complete disagreement, I'm starting a WP:Requests for comment below. Powergate92Talk 04:02, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
RfC: Is this common sense or original research?
RESOLVED Image-based deductions about the type of Power Ranger costume used in this series is original research unless sourced in writing from a reliable source.The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
As can be seen in the above discussion, User:Ryulong and I are at a complete disagreement on whether or not it can be said in the article that, at the least Power Rangers Megaforce uses costumes from Tensou Sentai Goseiger, at the most that Megaforce will be an adaptation of Goseiger, based the fact that reliable sources have photos showing that the Goseiger costumes will be used in Megaforce. Ryulong believes that it is original research to say this because none of the sources say it. I believe that it's common sense to say this per WP:COMMON, as reliable sources have photos showing the Goseiger costumes will be used in Megaforce. News articles from KidScreen and Licensing.biz about Power Rangers Megaforce actually show the same photo of the Goseiger costumes that is used on the official Goseiger website, but with a different background. As well, news articles from Ledger-Enquirer and WRBL show the Power Rangers Megaforce cast in the Goseiger costumes. Powergate92Talk 04:02, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
- As I state above, Powergate92 is most definitely violating WP:NOR (and specifically WP:SYN) when it comes to the fact that his conclusion should be mentioned in the article. While I will concede that his conclusion about the two subjects is correct, we here at the English Misplaced Pages cannot state this information because of our policies that state all content should be verifiable and reliably sourced. Until the credits roll on episode 1 and the name "GOSEIGER" appears within, the English Misplaced Pages cannot make this conclusion even if it is blatantly right.—Ryulong (琉竜) 11:53, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
- I see no WP:SYN breach. The information isn't combined from the two sources, the two sources are showing the exact same thing - the confirmed cast members in Goseiger costumes. Digifiend (talk) 13:05, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
- The information is indeed combined from two sources (even if it is correct). After all, he's explicitly referring to looking at the photographs from one website and comparing them with another. As an encyclopedia that relies on providing verifiable content that is reliably sourced we cannot publish original content, no matter how correct it may be. This is why we cannot post anything regarding any of the Super Sentai programs on this page until we have a reliable source that states it. Try to look at this matter as an outsider rather than as someone who knows what "Tensou Sentai Goseiger" is.—Ryulong (琉竜) 15:10, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
- The content is reliably sourced (see above links) and is verifiable as anyone who looks at the images can verify that they are the same costumes. Verifying the content this way is in no way different from using a TV show as the source for its own plot, which is done in most TV shows articles. In that case, in order to verify the TV show's plot, someone would have to watch the TV show. Powergate92Talk 01:10, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
- There's no reliable source to say that the two are one in the same. We are asking the readers to come to that conclusion as we have which is not what we are supposed to do on Misplaced Pages.—Ryulong (琉竜) 09:18, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
- No source needs to say it as they are clearly the same costumes in the photos at the reliable sources above. They so clearly the same costumes that it's common sense, and would be hard for anyone not to come to that conclusion. With that, even if this did violate "the precise wording of a rule" of WP:SYNTHESIS (I believe it does not), WP:SYNTHESIS can be ignored under WP:Ignore all rules per WP:COMMON. Now, I believe this does not violate WP:SYNTHESIS, as that rule is about if two different sources say two different things, don't make your own conclusion that those 2 things are related. This is in no way the same case as we have the same photo that shows the same costumes published in reliable sources, one showing that they were used for Goseiger, the other showing that are being used for Megaforce. In addition to that, we have a few reliable sources that show the Megaforce cast in the costumes. Powergate92Talk 18:37, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
- Well, I disagree with the application of WP:IAR here. And WP:SYN does not refer to two sources saying two different things. It just says taking what two sources say to make your own conclusion about the content. This is exactly what you're doing even if it is correct. And this isn't really a requests for comment as it's just you, myself, and Digifiend rehashing all the shit that went on 2 years ago. I assumed an RFC would actually involve outside editors of which none ever show up. I will be posting on WP:3O to get that input.—Ryulong (琉竜) 19:20, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
- Requests for comment's run for 30 days, it has not even been 2 days yet. Be patient, other will comment when they comment. I will leave a note about this discussion at WT:WikiProject Television so more uninvolved editors can know about it. Powergate92Talk 22:26, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
- Well, I disagree with the application of WP:IAR here. And WP:SYN does not refer to two sources saying two different things. It just says taking what two sources say to make your own conclusion about the content. This is exactly what you're doing even if it is correct. And this isn't really a requests for comment as it's just you, myself, and Digifiend rehashing all the shit that went on 2 years ago. I assumed an RFC would actually involve outside editors of which none ever show up. I will be posting on WP:3O to get that input.—Ryulong (琉竜) 19:20, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
- No source needs to say it as they are clearly the same costumes in the photos at the reliable sources above. They so clearly the same costumes that it's common sense, and would be hard for anyone not to come to that conclusion. With that, even if this did violate "the precise wording of a rule" of WP:SYNTHESIS (I believe it does not), WP:SYNTHESIS can be ignored under WP:Ignore all rules per WP:COMMON. Now, I believe this does not violate WP:SYNTHESIS, as that rule is about if two different sources say two different things, don't make your own conclusion that those 2 things are related. This is in no way the same case as we have the same photo that shows the same costumes published in reliable sources, one showing that they were used for Goseiger, the other showing that are being used for Megaforce. In addition to that, we have a few reliable sources that show the Megaforce cast in the costumes. Powergate92Talk 18:37, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
- There's no reliable source to say that the two are one in the same. We are asking the readers to come to that conclusion as we have which is not what we are supposed to do on Misplaced Pages.—Ryulong (琉竜) 09:18, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
- The content is reliably sourced (see above links) and is verifiable as anyone who looks at the images can verify that they are the same costumes. Verifying the content this way is in no way different from using a TV show as the source for its own plot, which is done in most TV shows articles. In that case, in order to verify the TV show's plot, someone would have to watch the TV show. Powergate92Talk 01:10, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
- The information is indeed combined from two sources (even if it is correct). After all, he's explicitly referring to looking at the photographs from one website and comparing them with another. As an encyclopedia that relies on providing verifiable content that is reliably sourced we cannot publish original content, no matter how correct it may be. This is why we cannot post anything regarding any of the Super Sentai programs on this page until we have a reliable source that states it. Try to look at this matter as an outsider rather than as someone who knows what "Tensou Sentai Goseiger" is.—Ryulong (琉竜) 15:10, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
- I see no WP:SYN breach. The information isn't combined from the two sources, the two sources are showing the exact same thing - the confirmed cast members in Goseiger costumes. Digifiend (talk) 13:05, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
3O Response: Our task as editors is to report what experts have written. Unless you can find an expert who has written regarding the difference between the two photos in question and are able to cite that source, this fits the definition of WP:OR ReformedArsenal (talk) 19:31, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
- If what you said were true, using a TV show as the source for its own plot would be original research, because it would not be reporting "what experts have written." However, that is not the case. Powergate92Talk 22:26, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
- That's exactly right. Consider the following analogous situation... If I'm working on the article for War and Peace, and provide a summary of the plot and major developments in the book, I am contributing my own research and perspective. What I should do instead is find an expert who has done this already, and if such an expert is not available for a given subject then perhaps we need to question the WP:GNG of the topic at hand. ReformedArsenal (talk) 02:29, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
- I think with fiction it is okay to use the work of fiction of itself as a reliable source so long as you only report on the facts provided.—Ryulong (琉竜) 05:32, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
- Actually, Misplaced Pages policy WP:PSTS says: "A primary source may only be used on Misplaced Pages to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the source but without further, specialized knowledge. For example, an article about a novel may cite passages to describe the plot, but any interpretation needs a secondary source." Citing primary sources for a plot section without interpretation does not qualify as original research. -- Wikipedical (talk) 05:33, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
- Summarizing or describing the plot is inherently an act of interpretation. ReformedArsenal (talk) 15:26, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
- That's your opinion, but Misplaced Pages policy makes an exception. -- Wikipedical (talk) 18:37, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
- Summarizing or describing the plot is inherently an act of interpretation. ReformedArsenal (talk) 15:26, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
- That's exactly right. Consider the following analogous situation... If I'm working on the article for War and Peace, and provide a summary of the plot and major developments in the book, I am contributing my own research and perspective. What I should do instead is find an expert who has done this already, and if such an expert is not available for a given subject then perhaps we need to question the WP:GNG of the topic at hand. ReformedArsenal (talk) 02:29, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
3O Response: The conclusion that the costumes are the same without a reliable source is most certainly original research. In the comments, Powergate92 said, "They so clearly the same costumes that it's common sense, and would be hard for anyone not to come to that conclusion." Misplaced Pages's role is to provide verifiable and verified information, not to lead readers to make conclusions, no matter how "clear." I am not an expert on costumes and would definitely not be one to make judgments based on images. -- Wikipedical (talk) 05:41, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you for laying this out properly. Two years ago I was fighting an uphill battle against Powergate92 and his (and other editors') insistence that we preemptively state the obvious concerning the Japanese origins of the previous season(s). However, trips to WP:NORN and WP:RSN proved fruitless as it appeared no one wanted to touch that dispute (now renewed this year) with a 10 foot pole.—Ryulong (琉竜) 18:48, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
- As I said above, the information is verifiable as news articles from KidScreen and Licensing.biz about Power Rangers Megaforce show the same photo of the Goseiger costumes that is used on the official Goseiger website. That, as well as the news articles from Ledger-Enquirer and WRBL which show the Megaforce cast in the Goseiger costumes, verify that the costumes will be used Power Rangers Megaforce. With that, the information is verifiable and can be verified by looking at the images, just as a TV show's plot is verifiable and can be verified by watching the TV show. Powergate92Talk 20:01, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
- Powegate92, these 3rd opinion editors have pointed out that even if you point out that this image is identical to this image, we at the English Misplaced Pages cannot under any circumstances post that very valid conclusion of yours in the article space. There is a difference between watching a show and saying what happens in the show and showing two images side by side and saying they're identical. You can definitely say that the images depict humanoid figures wearing yellow, blue, red, blue, and pink costumes and that they're all wielding weapons, but you cannot publish the conclusion that because the two images are identical and because thy're used in the promotional materials for two television programs, one of which came out 2 years ago, that one begat the other.—Ryulong (琉竜) 20:11, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
Ryulong
Just wanted to say that you are a fucking idiot. I don't give a shit what WP:This or WP:That says, you're full of shit and everyone knows it. You're a disgrace to the fucking fandom, if you are a fan and not just some Wiki blowhard that absolutely refuses to stray from the book. I don't know what pedestal you think you're on but you need to step the fuck down and realize that some of the shit that you type is absolutely fucking ridiculous.
Goseiger is Megaforce. There doesn't need to be proof. The proof is in the Zords, the suits, and what production staff have been saying. I don't give a shit if Megaforce hasn't aired yet, it is a fucking Goseiger adaptation and I know you know it. Fuck the rules and just let them list in the article. Shit, man.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.126.81.38 (talk • contribs)
- Well that's tough for you because Misplaced Pages has rules and I'm enforcing them and those rules say that we need written proof from somewhere official, if not from a proper publication that isn't some fanblog or forum, that says that "MEGAFORCE = GOSEIGER". People who have no emotional attachment to the show agree with me that it's a violation of these rules and guidelines because there's no statement out there that we can use. Just comparing two sets of images isn't enough for Misplaced Pages. And if you say there are people in the production staff who've said "Yeah, we're using Goseiger" then provide that proof or shut up and stop being so rectal ragnarokked over a Misplaced Pages page.—Ryulong (琉竜) 01:14, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
Is listing each Ranger series as an adaptation actually needed on the page though?Gaeaman787 (talk) 16:15, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
- This shit is going to get covered once the first episode airs and the final credits roll so it can be added then. I don't know why it's so important to say so when all that's happened is a conference at a fan convention and an appearance in the Macy's Thanksgiving parade.—Ryulong (琉竜) 16:51, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
- Likely because there are tons and tons of rumors that are coming out about the show that shouldn't be on Misplaced Pages since they aren't. Such as the possible Gokai Silver, Ranger Keys, past Ranger Cards, etc. Though I doubt a big news service like the AP is going to cover PR, and Fury Diamond is basically the fandom's mole man for PR stuff, so I guess they're dissapointed that when he announces stuff to the fans (arguably as a reliable source, not a direct one as he isn't Haim Saban), that Misplaced Pages rules being so tightly enforced for PR don't allow people to just put in an easy citation such as JEF.Gaeaman787 (talk) 21:38, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
- The fandom doesn't understand that trusted internal sources are not equivalent to publications that have editorial oversight. I recall times that JEF has posted whatever stupid rumor that came up and it was proved to be entirely wrong in the end. Also the fandom complains to no end because of the spellings we use on Misplaced Pages. I saw a complaint about Vaglass. What the hell are the fansubs using that we aren't?—Ryulong (琉竜) 04:57, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
- Moreso people are complaining the lack of acknoledgement of Super Sentai in relation to the PR footage. But they don't get that the article is kinda written with the audience in mind-ish, that kids don't know what Sentai is and won't really be able to watch it.Gaeaman787 (talk) 17:32, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
- But there is no footage. This show's a month or so away from being broadcast.—Ryulong (琉竜) 17:34, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
- As in visual references from trailers like the one at MorphiconGaeaman787 (talk) 20:35, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
- And yet no one from the mainstream media reported on those (and they wouldn't know what Goseiger is anyway).—Ryulong (琉竜) 05:03, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
- Thing is, no one from the mainstream media really cares about Power Rangers in general, hence why the fandom relies on the single inside source, and likely why people keep getting annoyed that they can't cite Fury Diamond as a source on wikipedia. Its moreso that wikipedia's rules of requiring mainstream sources makes citing info for PR quite difficultGaeaman787 (talk) 21:44, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
- Well that's not my problem. Random people in the fandom don't have the editorial control of mainstream sources so they're not to be trusted on Misplaced Pages, regardless if they have a flawless track record on RangerBoard or HJU or whereever else these things are posted. Also, is Fury Diamond the one who also made all those cookie cutter websites for the cast members claiming them as official that I absolutely abhorred as well?—Ryulong (琉竜) 02:31, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
- Yes I think FD is the one to make the "Such and Such Cast" websites. They're considered official as he has connections with the Saban staff I believe. He as well as Chris Funaro have known at least Tzachor and Bukhamir for quite awhile. I also remember there was some verbal mixup as to the possible use of the Gokaiger footage for the second season on Megaforce, but that the directors essentially stated that they didn't want to use the Gokaiger footage since pirates aren't really heroic in theme. I essentially think the fandom just wants there to be an exception regarding PR sources and allow them to cite these blogs (though said poster cites the direct source of their info, the blog merely makes it accessible to people.) even though most of the things that insiders post are rumors and not verifiable facts. There's so little news out of Saban and that there are no American magazines or publications for them to cite. Gaeaman787 (talk) 03:24, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
- Well that's not my problem. Random people in the fandom don't have the editorial control of mainstream sources so they're not to be trusted on Misplaced Pages, regardless if they have a flawless track record on RangerBoard or HJU or whereever else these things are posted. Also, is Fury Diamond the one who also made all those cookie cutter websites for the cast members claiming them as official that I absolutely abhorred as well?—Ryulong (琉竜) 02:31, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
- Thing is, no one from the mainstream media really cares about Power Rangers in general, hence why the fandom relies on the single inside source, and likely why people keep getting annoyed that they can't cite Fury Diamond as a source on wikipedia. Its moreso that wikipedia's rules of requiring mainstream sources makes citing info for PR quite difficultGaeaman787 (talk) 21:44, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
- And yet no one from the mainstream media reported on those (and they wouldn't know what Goseiger is anyway).—Ryulong (琉竜) 05:03, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
- As in visual references from trailers like the one at MorphiconGaeaman787 (talk) 20:35, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
- But there is no footage. This show's a month or so away from being broadcast.—Ryulong (琉竜) 17:34, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
- Moreso people are complaining the lack of acknoledgement of Super Sentai in relation to the PR footage. But they don't get that the article is kinda written with the audience in mind-ish, that kids don't know what Sentai is and won't really be able to watch it.Gaeaman787 (talk) 17:32, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
- The fandom doesn't understand that trusted internal sources are not equivalent to publications that have editorial oversight. I recall times that JEF has posted whatever stupid rumor that came up and it was proved to be entirely wrong in the end. Also the fandom complains to no end because of the spellings we use on Misplaced Pages. I saw a complaint about Vaglass. What the hell are the fansubs using that we aren't?—Ryulong (琉竜) 04:57, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
- Likely because there are tons and tons of rumors that are coming out about the show that shouldn't be on Misplaced Pages since they aren't. Such as the possible Gokai Silver, Ranger Keys, past Ranger Cards, etc. Though I doubt a big news service like the AP is going to cover PR, and Fury Diamond is basically the fandom's mole man for PR stuff, so I guess they're dissapointed that when he announces stuff to the fans (arguably as a reliable source, not a direct one as he isn't Haim Saban), that Misplaced Pages rules being so tightly enforced for PR don't allow people to just put in an easy citation such as JEF.Gaeaman787 (talk) 21:38, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
I mean when he made "official" websites for people like Rhoda Montemayor or whoever played Xander in Mystic Force that were clearly made for like Geocities and they were posted to every single cast member's page here (also whoever runs Super Sentai.com or whatever it is needs to stop cribbing the shit here).—Ryulong (琉竜) 04:40, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
- Ohh I didn't know those existed, or if he designed thoseGaeaman787 (talk) 00:18, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
- SOmeone in the fandom did. I think the name at the time was "Mystic Points" or whatever.—Ryulong (琉竜) 09:10, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
http://www.sabanbrands.com/pdfs/Saban_Power_Rangers_Megaforce.pdf Saban Press Release specifically mentions Gosei by name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.71.224.238 (talk) 19:31, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
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Discussion
– A while back, there was a huge discussion (initiated by off-site parties who are to this day still using me as a scapegoat) that forced Misplaced Pages to adopt the version of these titles that lack a colon to separate "Power Rangers" from whatever the season's subtitle was. With the switch to Saban, it seems that the official titles are using the colon. The colon also, in common sense, should be used in these titles to delineate title from subtitle. There is really no reason for Misplaced Pages to use the form that only proliferates due to the fans not desiring a single punctuation mark in the title, and their blind hatred of me. — Ryūlóng (琉竜) 04:10, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
- Ummmm no, they aren't using the colon. You're seeing things you want to see but are in no way reality. Don't try the pity card because of alleged "Blind hatred". Your crusade has no factual founding--Harmony944 (talk) 04:27, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
- Look at the HTML titles. Look at usage in Google that isn't fansites. And you had no right to remove the entire list from this page. This is an official requested move to seek a change in consensus.
- Also to note, most of these pages have been moved by a serial sockpuppeteer and I am trying to get them restored to their proper titles prior my posting this.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 05:58, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
- Oppose - Policy is to use the most common name, and that can be different from the official or legal name. Me-123567-Me (talk) 21:13, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
- There is no way to determine whether or not the colon is or is not the common name because most search engines ignore punctuation. Also, fandom sources aren't reliable souces so that cuts out a good number of them, leaving the most recent reliable sources that have titles with colons in them.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 21:16, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
Oppose - The official site does not the colons, I repeat, the official site does not use the colons. At all. Period. Why are you using Nick.com anyway? They don't own Power Rangers, they don't have the power to dictate how a show is suppose to be titled, Saban does.--OriginPoke 04:56, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
- Did ranger board post something because both you and harmony up there haven't edited in years. This discussion should have participants from the Misplaced Pages community and not be poisoned by the fandom, again. It's a single punctuation mark. And official usage is not what determines titles of pages on Misplaced Pages. Most common usage in reliable sources does.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 05:24, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
- Since when is January 2014 "years"?--Harmony944 (talk) 01:44, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- You haven't edited in a while, aside from the edits in January, and you have relatively few edits overall.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 06:51, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- Uh... no. My lack of activity in years is because I'm a frequent editor on Bulbapedia. I mention that on my userpage. Besides, I only lurk around Misplaced Pages.
- Surely you have to fall back to the official usage if all of the common usage are used by fans. --OriginPoke 05:42, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
- Common usage is determined by reliable sources of which fan contributed material does not count.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 08:01, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
- Ah, so an official site is not a reliable source, who knew? Bandai, Saban and (to an extant) TOEI, are the only reliable sources as they own Power Rangers and are the ones that dictate how a show is suppose to be titled. A news article is just a news article. It is written by someone who most likely has no knowledge or connections with the franchise and thus will write down the title with or without the colon. They just do not care.
- How about scripts from the show? I'm sure a script would be a strong reliable source. And trust me, if there were meant to be colons in the titles, the titles in the scripts would have colons.--OriginPoke 04:57, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
- Again, official usage isn't what we're after. We're after most common usage in third party reliable sources. And no number of photos of scripts can really sway this discussion. It's just a punctuation mark that's serving the exact same purpose as displaying the subtitle on a second line in both of those photos. I don't know why the fans were so up in arms about it.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 09:16, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
- But why third party? They're not going to care about how the title is supposed to be named. A trusted news site does not make it a legitimate reliable source regarding titles and naming conventions, they don't know nor do they care. They will either put no colon becuase that's what the fans refer it to or put the colons because it is grammatically correct. They just do not care.
- Regarding scripts, even so, the script should show a colon in the title (and it must be accurate to how the producer wants it to be titled). If the script does not show a colon in the title, it's obvious there is meant to be no colon in the title.--OriginPoke 02:40, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- Because those are the rules of this website. Per WP:COMMONNAME, "Misplaced Pages prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in reliable English-language sources) as such names will be the most recognizable and the most natural." So your random photos of scripts do not count in this regard.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 06:51, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- The word "source" when citing sources on Misplaced Pages has three related meanings: the piece of work itself (the article, book); I believe scripts would fall under "piece of work".--OriginPoke 08:25, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- Sources must be published so a script doesn't really count in this regard. Not to mention a photo of a physical copy of a script with "POWER RANGERS ZEO" on its cover doesn't cut it either.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 08:57, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- A physical copy of script is a published source. Granted, it may be a second draft or something, I'll give you that. But the point is, if the script does not have colons, it logically means the producer (or director) intentionally want the title without the colon.--OriginPoke 09:04, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- Read WP:SOURCES:
So no, the front page of the scripts (which aren't made available to the public unlike the content of the script itself) doesn't count.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 09:30, 16 July 2014 (UTC)Source material must have been published, the definition of which for our purposes is "made available to the public in some form".
- Read WP:SOURCES:
- A physical copy of script is a published source. Granted, it may be a second draft or something, I'll give you that. But the point is, if the script does not have colons, it logically means the producer (or director) intentionally want the title without the colon.--OriginPoke 09:04, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- Sources must be published so a script doesn't really count in this regard. Not to mention a photo of a physical copy of a script with "POWER RANGERS ZEO" on its cover doesn't cut it either.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 08:57, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- The word "source" when citing sources on Misplaced Pages has three related meanings: the piece of work itself (the article, book); I believe scripts would fall under "piece of work".--OriginPoke 08:25, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- Because those are the rules of this website. Per WP:COMMONNAME, "Misplaced Pages prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in reliable English-language sources) as such names will be the most recognizable and the most natural." So your random photos of scripts do not count in this regard.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 06:51, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- Again, official usage isn't what we're after. We're after most common usage in third party reliable sources. And no number of photos of scripts can really sway this discussion. It's just a punctuation mark that's serving the exact same purpose as displaying the subtitle on a second line in both of those photos. I don't know why the fans were so up in arms about it.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 09:16, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
- Common usage is determined by reliable sources of which fan contributed material does not count.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 08:01, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
- Since when is January 2014 "years"?--Harmony944 (talk) 01:44, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Comment: Per the common sense I can totally agree with the move but OriginPoke showed us the official site de facto don't use colons. However, Ryulong is right when he says "official usage is not what determines titles of pages on Misplaced Pages. Most common usage in reliable sources does." I randomly chose SPD and the two sources on it use do not use colons; there is a divergence however since PopMatters use "Power Rangers S.P.D." and Los Angeles Times use "Power Rangers SPD: Space Patrol Delta". Dino Thunder don't favors you too, Ryulong (, ). Could you bring some sources here, Ryulong? (I'm sincerely not too much interested on it to look for more sources ... and if I don't return here is just because of this indifference). Gabriel Yuji (talk) 06:08, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
- I've found this and this for the newer season (that aren't websites just copy-pasting the Saban press release), Amazon.co.uk product listing, and an iTunes product listing. Most of the rest that I can find in Google is fansites and also there's no differentiation in the search criteria for punctuation to determine which prevails anyway.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 08:01, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
- Soooo you trust backstage.com and Nerd Overload more than the Saban press release and websites like RangerCrew and Rangerboard, who are highly regarded in the forum enough to be in POWER FORCE? The sites you're using to support are basically as clueless as you are. All the acronyms lack the colons too--Harmony944 (talk) 01:53, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- Sites like RangerCrew and RangerBoard are fan fites, they don't count. Even if they have prominent members that have connections to the franchise (Power Force) it is not a reliable source.--OriginPoke 02:40, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- They're fansites, but they're certainly more on top of things than general third party news sites...--Harmony944 (talk) 03:22, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- That's because they're fans of the show, they follow the franchise. So of course they'd be on top of all things Power Rangers. But that doesn't make them a reliable source. I'm not sure about Power Force, but I'm pretty sure they were only made to promote the franchise, not work for them.--OriginPoke 04:32, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- Harmony, OriginPoke, you two need to realize that our naming policies (WP:COMMONNAME) and our sourcing policies (WP:V and WP:RS) exclude fansites from being used as sources and prefers that secondary or third party sources are to be used. And acronyms or photographs of scripts' cover pages do not qualify as reasons not to exclude a single piece of punctuation from these pages' titles simply because the fan community believes that having the punctuation in the title makes the title somehow incorrect.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 06:51, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- At this point, you're just saying "Fuck the experts fuck official sources, I'm gonna do what I want. I choose what the common and official usages are." YOUR SOURCES ARE BULLCRAP--Harmony944 (talk) 06:56, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- If you do not wish to abide by the policies and guidelines of this website, then you don't have to use this website. Please read WP:OFFICIALNAME regarding "official sources" and WP:SOURCES for why fansites (your so called "experts") are to be avoided.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 06:58, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- At this point you've lost all common sense. You know what? Fine, let's say hypothetically Megaforce and Super Megaforce were to be moved because of your single unreliable and unofficial source. What are your sources on the other seasons? Why would they suddenly be so inconsistent? How are scripts and press releases from the owners of the franchise "unreliable"? If you mean to tell me that people commonly use the colon, explain to me the indication by spoken word. Your sources are not credible, because the common usage is the official usage. Please, provide factual, actual sources before using random sites. Nintendo uses no colon for its licensed Megaforce game. It's baffling how inept you are and are so desperate to be right you're encouraging decreased site traffic--Harmony944 (talk) 07:08, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- It is only your opinion that the sources are unreliable because they are unofficial. And this is why I have listed every page. We must keep consistency. And your emotional response is exactly what I feared would happen when I opened this up for debate. One based on preserving the fandom's choice rather than following Misplaced Pages's rules and regulations.
- So let me put it to you this way. Unless you can find reliable sources that fit in with Misplaced Pages's guidelines on such sources that proves your side, then sit down and shut up. It's common sense and proper English grammar to designate the subtitle with a colon. Dozens of other intellectual properties have things set up this way and there's no reason for Power Rangers to be any different just because the fandom says it should. Every single logo and every single script photo has "Power Rangers" on one line and "Super Megaforce" or "Zeo" on the second as an intentional designation of showing the latter set is the subtitle. We are presenting this information in prose and the prose I've found that is not the fandom's crazed definition of what is and is not the "official" title says that these pages titles should all start with "Power Rangers:".—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 07:17, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- At this point you've lost all common sense. You know what? Fine, let's say hypothetically Megaforce and Super Megaforce were to be moved because of your single unreliable and unofficial source. What are your sources on the other seasons? Why would they suddenly be so inconsistent? How are scripts and press releases from the owners of the franchise "unreliable"? If you mean to tell me that people commonly use the colon, explain to me the indication by spoken word. Your sources are not credible, because the common usage is the official usage. Please, provide factual, actual sources before using random sites. Nintendo uses no colon for its licensed Megaforce game. It's baffling how inept you are and are so desperate to be right you're encouraging decreased site traffic--Harmony944 (talk) 07:08, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- If you do not wish to abide by the policies and guidelines of this website, then you don't have to use this website. Please read WP:OFFICIALNAME regarding "official sources" and WP:SOURCES for why fansites (your so called "experts") are to be avoided.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 06:58, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- At this point, you're just saying "Fuck the experts fuck official sources, I'm gonna do what I want. I choose what the common and official usages are." YOUR SOURCES ARE BULLCRAP--Harmony944 (talk) 06:56, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- Harmony, OriginPoke, you two need to realize that our naming policies (WP:COMMONNAME) and our sourcing policies (WP:V and WP:RS) exclude fansites from being used as sources and prefers that secondary or third party sources are to be used. And acronyms or photographs of scripts' cover pages do not qualify as reasons not to exclude a single piece of punctuation from these pages' titles simply because the fan community believes that having the punctuation in the title makes the title somehow incorrect.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 06:51, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- That's because they're fans of the show, they follow the franchise. So of course they'd be on top of all things Power Rangers. But that doesn't make them a reliable source. I'm not sure about Power Force, but I'm pretty sure they were only made to promote the franchise, not work for them.--OriginPoke 04:32, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- Soooo you trust backstage.com and Nerd Overload more than the Saban press release and websites like RangerCrew and Rangerboard, who are highly regarded in the forum enough to be in POWER FORCE? The sites you're using to support are basically as clueless as you are. All the acronyms lack the colons too--Harmony944 (talk) 01:53, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
We're crazed? Do you know how hypocritical you're sounding?--Harmony944 (talk) 07:23, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- I never said "crazed" so don't put words in my mouth. I said that your response was emotional and not based in Misplaced Pages guidelines or policies.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 07:24, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- Resorting to lying now? "I've found that is not the fandom's crazed definition..." Dude, you are in way over your head. You're trying to apply it to everything when nothing except "Mighty Morphin Power Rangers: The Movie" ever officially or commonly used it. The scripts would've had a colon in season titles if they wanted it but they didn't. You're telling me that it's "fandom opinion" what's reliable but you're giving your own definitions when they're just as much opinion as the fandom's. We have reliable sources. You do not. You have yet to find one.--Harmony944 (talk) 07:31, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- I never called you crazed. And photographs of cover pages of the scripts which should not have ended up in anyone else's hands but the cast and crew do not count as reliable sources. I'm providing arguments based on this website's internal style guides, rules, and regulations. You're just on the defensive because you (and everyone else in the "Power Force") think a single punctuation mark is a pox on the whole concept of Power Rangers.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 08:57, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- Oh, I know fansites aren't a reliable source. I'm not saying it is. --OriginPoke 08:25, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- You may not be, but Harmony944 certainly has been arguing to that end.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 08:57, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- They're certainly more reliable than the sources you've been using. You just won't concede that. You've still haven't answered about the OTHER seasons using the colon. BECAUSE THEY NEVER DID. --Harmony944 (talk) 15:25, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
- Resorting to lying now? "I've found that is not the fandom's crazed definition..." Dude, you are in way over your head. You're trying to apply it to everything when nothing except "Mighty Morphin Power Rangers: The Movie" ever officially or commonly used it. The scripts would've had a colon in season titles if they wanted it but they didn't. You're telling me that it's "fandom opinion" what's reliable but you're giving your own definitions when they're just as much opinion as the fandom's. We have reliable sources. You do not. You have yet to find one.--Harmony944 (talk) 07:31, 16 July 2014 (UTC)