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Talk:Augustinian theodicy

While I appreciate that someone is taking note of my comments on the Irenaean theodicy talk page, I really can't see how any of them are relevant to the Augustianian theodicy. They're all very specific to the literature on the IT and respond to particular points in the article on the IT. J Milburn (talk) 22:41, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't have any plans concerning the articles- a user contacted me because I'm familiar with Misplaced Pages policy and academic philosophy, but the user in question was something of a time-waster and ended up blocked for some reason. J Milburn (talk) 19:55, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm not really familiar with Plantinga, so anything you could add in that regard would be good. I'm afraid I've not got enough time to devote to improving the article right now, but I may be able to find some time at the weekend to take a closer look. J Milburn (talk) 22:31, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

problem of evil

Please address what I wrote on Talk:Problem of evil. Thanks! Jytdog (talk) 22:41, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

January 2014

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Felix, I see that you filed a report at AN3. I also see that you're new here. Welcome to wikipedia, of course! I get that you're frustrated by the experience on Problem of evil, but as an experienced editor I can tell you that the way you are handling the dispute is contrary to the way we do things. I would very strongly suggest you remove the section you posted on AN3. You can do that by just blanking the section. If you do not, it is extremely likely you will be blocked as soon as an uninvolved admin handles your report. I don't think that would benefit anyone. If you need help, please feel free to ask.   — Jess· Δ♥ 19:18, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Felix, three notes. First, if you file an ANI against somebody, you must notify that user. You did not notify me. Bad form and a violation of the rules of ANI. I am not going to make a big deal out of it as you are new, but please keep that in mind going forward. Secondly and much more importantly -- Misplaced Pages is a collaborative enterprise. People disagree all the time here. The only thing that makes this work, is that people discuss their differences and work toward consensus. It is disappointing that you made an administrative move against me, without even discussing the issues. That is a bad road to go down. Third, I have not filed a 3RR against you; I prefer to discuss things. I do look forward to hearing whatever reasoning you have to retain the HB passages in the Judaism section of the Problem of evil article. Best regards and good luck. Jytdog (talk) 21:14, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Reply to: "Very similar delineations yet completely different colors question"

Hi. Yeah, I think the colour schemes should be the same for both the table and the bar chart, on the Misplaced Pages article. But the table is auto-prepared by Misplaced Pages software, and I did not know what exact colours they used, so while writing the bar chart code, I entered names of the closest colours I could think of, at that time. If you know what colours they used, then you can simply enter them in the "colors" field of the bar chart code. --Sarthak Sharma (talk) 11:15, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi. Sorry for replying so late, but I was busy studying for the Graduate Aptitude Test in Engineering that I had on 16th February 2014. The pie-chart (depicting quality-wise article distribution) and bar-chart in the Misplaced Pages article now have the same color scheme. Regarding the link you sent (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/photo/29073061.cms), it shows percentage change in page views for some language editions of Misplaced Pages for only one period (December 2012 to December 2013). The percentage changes may be presented as a bar chart, but I think it would be useful if there was data for at least 2 periods, and also for some more major language editions, like Dutch, Swedish, French, Italian, Russian, Spanish, Polish, Waray-Waray, etc. So I think the information of that source can be presented as simple text in the main body. --Sarthak Sharma (talk) 13:42, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Obama articles

Please be aware that the Obama-related articles are under article probation, referred to at the top of Talk:Barack Obama, and edits there are under some extra scrutiny as a result. I would appreciate your laying off accusations bad faith such as censorship and having "personal reasons", as you make here. Your content edit, an opinionated narrative about the significance of an editorial critical of Obama foreign policy, fails WP:POV, WP:RS, WP:UNDUE and WP:OR — but if you do want to propose the now-rejected content, best do that on the talk page and assume good faith of the editors involved. Thanks, - Wikidemon (talk) 23:47, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Page count graph

Hi - I'm not sure if there is a simple way to do this, since the numbers are entered in by transclusion. I'll look into the chain and try to find if we can get those numbers for you. If you don't hear from me next week, please check in with me again. Walkerma (talk) 04:52, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

March 2014

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Figure skating article

Hi FelixRosch, I noticed that you've reverted Figure skating at the 2014 Winter Olympics – Ladies' singles to version by User:Discospiner on 8 March. I have moved it to version by User:G4m3rMatthew @ 03:04, 22 March. Behind the 200 sum updates on this page, there has been some relevant info added and a lot of the old info has been condensed. The February 21st ISU statement was summarized and a new update to this debate came out March 21st (South Korea stating it indents to file a complaint on the composition of the judging panel). Regardless of all the disruptive edits, I don't want to lose what progress was made in this article. Instead of reverting, could you check the state of the current article (as of my 18:30, 22 March 2014 update). Thanks, Kirin13 (talk) 18:59, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Responded to your response on my talk page. Thanks, Kirin13 (talk) 19:54, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Responded on your new response on my talk page. Thanks, Kirin13 (talk) 20:38, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi FelixRosch, I just wanted to update you that Heritoctavus (talk) has reverted the order of the debate/controversy to opposing opinion, supporting opinion, official response. I don't have an strong opinion on the order one way or another. If you disagree with Heritoctavus' decision, please engage with him. If talking goes nowhere, you may wish to seek a third opinion since this issue keeps popping up. Good luck, Kirin13 (talk) 21:14, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

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Copy-pasting sections of books and news stories

Always try an write additions to articles in your own words and cite the sources of the article. Brief quotations of copyrighted text may be used to illustrate a point, establish context, or attribute a point of view or idea. However using quotes for basic info that can summarized is not a good thing. Use of copyrighted text must be in compliance with Misplaced Pages:Non-free content criteria policy. See Misplaced Pages:Copy-paste for more info. -- Moxy (talk) 21:59, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

John Kerry on the end of the Monroe Doctrine

Hello - your edit summary at the Barack Obama article, removing the sentence about Kerry's comments in November, has me puzzled. "Isolated sentence fragment from last November has not been updated by either Obama or anyone on his staff since then. Archiving unless someone can supplement the cites. Template from previous editor was left over after previous editor withdrew it on Talk. " Actually it isn;t a sentence fragment - it's a complete self-explanatory sentence - but I agree that it isn't adding anything to the article, so I don't mind its removal. But it did have a valid cite, so I assume you mean that you would want cites for any further discussion or statements made on the subject, making it more notable. I don't know what you mean by your last sentence - I didn't find anything on Talk about this, unless I missed it. And I just want to be sure that when you say "has not been updated by either Obama or anyone on his staff" you're not talking about updating this article, but are talking about whether Obama or staff have made further statements about this subject. Just would appreciate some clarification. Cheers Tvoz/talk 08:38, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Tvoz; My appreciation for the commment. It was certainly the Monroe doctrine comment which was being referred to. This comment was made by Kerry last November, with no follow up from either Obama or any one on his staff since then. No difficulties if you have more cites on this and would like to develop it further, though if its Kerry alone then maybe the Kerry page would be the better place. There was no follow-up by Obama himself for six months and that was when I placed the edit comment you refer to above. Cheers. FelixRosch (talk) 16:07, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation - all sounds fine to me. If there is more of value it likely all would go in the Presidency article, not the main bio - this has not been a major issue that Obama is associated with. Cheers Tvoz/talk 23:46, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Geneva

I answered on my talk page. Bests, Seryo93 (talk) 15:22, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Time to make adult additions

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We have basic conduct expectations

Please read over Misplaced Pages:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. I started a conversation on this 10 days ago.-- Moxy (talk) 17:04, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

And will paste my other reply here -

• Finally a reply to my posts and edits. Sorry its come to this - but please stop copy and pasting news articles and book quotes all over. Quotes are incompatible with an encyclopaedic writing style. Put in some more effort and write the content in your own words and cite the sources used. At Misplaced Pages:Quotations#Example you can see how to do this. WP:QUOTEFARM explains why. As noted by a different editor (an admin no less) with this edit after your reverting again the whole section is a problem because of the quotes. Simply not what we are looking for in the way of contributions. -- Moxy (talk) 16:57, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Talkback

Your walking down the wrong path

• WP:3RR

Editors who engage in edit warring are liable to be blocked from editing to prevent further disruption. While any edit warring may lead to sanctions, there is a bright-line rule called the three-revert rule (3RR), the violation of which often leads to a block.

The three-revert rule states:

-- Moxy (talk) 15:33, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Previous editor is edit warring on multiple wikipages and has been reported for ANI for edit warring (see the noticeboard for details). There is currently a BRD on the Ukraine Talk page. A BRD revert is not to be confused with other forms of reverts, previous editor is continuing edit warring. FelixRosch (talk) 16:10, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Several different editors have reverted you on many pages and have tried to explain the problems with links to policy, guidelines and essays....still think everyone else is the problem is the problem here. You need to step back and look at what others are seeing. -- Moxy (talk) 17:04, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Summarizing not copy and pastng!

Can you please read over Summarizing Written by Leora Freedman, English Language Learning. --Moxy (talk) 09:25, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Talkback

Romeo and Juliet ‎

I have reverted your edit to Romeo and Juliet ‎again sourced to Harold Bloom (2009). Romeo and Juliet. Infobase Publishing. ISBN 978-1-4381-1476-7.. Let me explain why ... as explained in the book and our article. "Romeo and Juliet takes its basic story line from Arthur Brooke's long narrative poem" - this is before the play is written so cant be criticizing the play that is not written yet...source William Shakespeare (2008). Romeo and Juliet. Yale University Press. p. 15. ISBN 978-0-300-13828-3.. As for Swan all he did was quote a speech by Friar Lawrence..source Richard Dutton; Jean E. Howard (2008). A Companion to Shakespeare's Works, A Companion to Shakespeare's Works: The Tragedies. John Wiley & Sons. pp. 131 (note:24). ISBN 978-0-470-99727-7. -- Moxy (talk) 19:56, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Response on Romeo and Juliet Talk page. FelixRosch (talk) 20:30, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

I take it you cant see the source here on this page! So would you like me to quote the sources? And for the love of god please follow our basic bold revert practice...meaning dont edit war in content that has been disputed. -- Moxy (talk) 08:17, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Thus far 2 outside editors one with an actual copy of the source and the other with a second source that describes what Arthur Brooke roll was in all this is were we are at. As for Swan no one seems to be able to find another source then the one I found. The RfC will run for a week or so... lets see what others have to say and lets see if other sources can be found. -- Moxy (talk) 06:34, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Your disruption

You have filed two incorrect WP:3RR reports against Moxy and are now making things up out of thin air ("The report of edit warring is required by Admin for your 3RR violation. It must be retained for Admin use."). I suggest you read WP:3RR carefully and understand how to make a proper report as your edits are becoming disruptive. --NeilN 15:09, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

I will be reverting you again. Put back the message Moxy has already removed and you can explain your actions at WP:ANI. Editors are allowed to remove such things from their own talk pages. --NeilN 15:31, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Okay, FelixRosch. I am an admin, and NeilN is completely correct. Editors have every right to remove talk page messages (other than block messages) - removal is viewed as tacit admission to having read such messages - and your continued reinsertion of them is disruptive. I suggest you not do it again. Resolute 15:33, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

And please, learn how to use diffs. This is to your benefit as your last two reports to WP:3RRNB were largely closed because of a lack of them. Cutting and pasting is not a diff. --NeilN 15:46, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Felix, I have been watching your problems with Moxy for some time, but you are not going to achieve anything here so you need to walk away before some admin blocks you. I can see how irritating and exacerbating to a dispute Moxy's patronizing attitude is - his use of "our" and "we" when referring to matters of Misplaced Pages are particularly riling as is his sanctimonious and holier than thou quoting of policy and rules rather than explaining and debating in a normal fashion. You may well feel that his virtual appearance would be considerably improved by a virtual fist in the middle of his virtual face - and perhaps it might, but that really won't solve anything. In my very long and considerable experience of Misplaced Pages, every dog eventually has his day, and so will you; just be patient. Those like Moxy always trip up in the end - it wasn't so long ago that he was a shared account with half his virtual family. So my advice to you is: put up, shut up and watch. Giano (talk) 18:36, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Copy and pasting huge quotes

Can I get you to just try and summarizes things over pasting huge quotes - as has been mentioned before by many at this point. Perhaps reading this link will help.- Moxy (talk) 17:52, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Helpful essay

Per your current and past assertions on BRD you may want to read Misplaced Pages:Competence is required. --NeilN 17:07, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

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