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I've kind of had it with the good advice. Apparently anyone, admins included, can get away with, are even applauded for, calling other editors and admins corrupt, cronies, abusive--but "you're not so smart" is blockable. Yeah, we're not going to get anywhere with our precious civility.

Please

• Don't go!!!! Our buzzard hasn't been fully cooked yet, and I'd miss Moosezilla. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:45, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
  • I know! You can't leave yet! The Emergency Bra doesn't have an article. (Patent, official website, Ignoble Prize) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:24, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
• I just got banned from a user's talk page for saying the sentence, "It is a huge no-no". I was not aware that saying "no-no" is only appropriate to a three-year old, thus I was treating them as a child. I'm also in a "why am I here and why do I take this crap" mood. Only a matter of time before we all don't have an answer and leave. Bgwhite (talk) 05:39, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
• Drmies. Remember the number of good people who you've met through here. Like me. You edit for them, not for the drama. Ed  06:01, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
• I must have missed something. This is what happens when I go camping? Who is going to write the plot of Sharknado 3? These are the things that keep me up at night. Also, I watched Pulp Fiction on the plane yesterday, I had forgotten what an awesome movie that was. Also, did you know that the "L" in Samuel L. Jackson stands for motherfucker? --kelapstick 11:39, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
  • In addition, did you know that Buzz Aldrin won't release his famous space selfie photo under Creative Commons? I uploaded it to commons as PD-NASA, but have since nominated it for deletion, as I don't really know if it qualifies, I had asked he release it just to be sure, which he declined. If anyone knows much about NASA PD, I'd appreciate some more input over there.--kelapstick 23:48, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
• This would never have happened if Lsjbot wrote all our articles.--Milowent • 13:52, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
• Drmies. I've only been asleep for a few hours and it seems I may have missed a hint of something of epic importance. Are you hinting at departure? Oh surely not. My heart would bleed. I have just stated elsewhere that you are the only admin I trust and admire. My admiration for you is profound and the ability to escape to and contribute to your hallowed talk page is the warmest fuzzy on Misplaced Pages. And you write such beautiful prose; here, there and everywhere. Please be encouraged. With deepest respect and regards. Fylbecatulous talk 14:53, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Drmies, you are needed. Take a break if you must, you've said it's rough teaching in the summer. But I just discovered that User:Hafspajen may be leaving and I come over here to see if you know and find this? One of our best editors and Admins talking about leaving? Do I really need to do the guilt thing also? Or threaten to sit in your doorway and cry? Dougweller (talk) 20:44, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

• I don't think comments such as those made today by Jusdafax at User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#.22Why_is_Wikipedia_Sexist.22 have helped matters. One of those brands the entire admin corps as corrupt & I know that Drmies has been mystified on their talk page. I'll mail you, Drmies, when my blood pressure returns to normal. - Sitush (talk) 20:53, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
• I don't see any concrete hints of leaving? But nonetheless, if not drama, then there is always bacon to improve upon. And you can never have enough of that. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 21:03, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
• I would say what Fylbecatulous said, but he already did. I can echo the sentiment, though. Stop, deep breath, smell the bacon, (a-h-h-h-h!) and take up your bed and walk. Geoff 22:07, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
• If all the people with clue leave, we'll be left with only those to whom the dreaded edit summary at the centre of this kerfuffle applies. Rather than shouting about the gender gap, we should be trying to solve the clue gap. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:42, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Yesterday's featured picture

Did you know that when we were in France in April and May, we actually saw this flower, and now I know what it is. I have pictures of it, too, although none of mine was featured. :-) As for your comment above and the ensuing discussion, I'm going to deny what is not possible. Enjoy the pool. See ya.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:31, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Outraged

Who was blocked for saying "You're not so smart"? I'm sure we can get such a block overturned real fast, then welcome you back into the fold. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 01:45, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

@Demiurge1000: The block was removed about 4 hours after it went in. Currently its at AN/I as a review of the close of the challenge to the close of the block review, Jimbos talk page in a dozen subsections, about a dozen talk pages of admins, managed to infect the Bureaucrats notice board, and various other sundry places of discussion. Last I checked, the current push is to argue that the unblocking admin some how violated the Misplaced Pages Terms of Service. Monty₈₄₅ 02:09, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

For saying "You're not so smart"? Do we have a diff of that being said? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:45, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

This is the diff in question (edit summary) but its also after he used the C word and was already up against the ropes for incivility (and the alleged sexism) Gaijin42 (talk) 03:20, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. So "You're not so smart" isn't actually what was said. Puzzling. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 07:04, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

The phrase is the kind of thing a grandmother would say to a young child, so in spoken English it doesn't have a pejorative connotation- more like "you're not thinking properly". "You're not so smart" seems to have a different meaning (to me it's US English usage). Pisda is a small village in Nigeria. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 07:39, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

• Paraphrase, Demiurge. It's done all over Misplaced Pages. Not so puzzling. You are welcome to come up with your own interpretation of "were you hiding behind the door when God handed out brains?"--you'll have to note, first of all, that the editor was speaking metaphorically. Many readings are possible, of course, and "you're stupid" is probably the most serious of 'em. Blockable? Pfff. Tell me what the punishment should be for this, if "stupid" is blockable. Mind you, I wouldn't have blocked for that remark. Gaijin, you'll have to accept that if someone says something not directed at any person, and he's told that he did again and again, even though he didn't, well, at some point one loses their patience--to the extent that he calls a person "not so smart". You've lost your patience too on occasion, as have I, and we've probably said worse things--and after reading up on Jimbo's talk page, where apparently now Sitush has become the poster child for the kind of sexism that apparently drives people away in droves, I'm about to lose my patience again. Sitush may well be wrong about many things--I certainly don't agree that there is no sexism, or that it's not a problem--but "without honor"? Which, by the way, is a completely masculine-inflected turn of phrase, from the time of chivalry. He Who Uttered that phrase is probably good at holding doors for the ladies. Me, I prefer to hold the door for everyone and to teach Marie de France instead of some Arthurian stuff. Wanna know what we can do to combat sexism, like in real life? Ask Crisco about the buzzard, and then go teach that text.

  Later all, and please, while I appreciate all the words of support, I do not deserve this attention, and I don't matter. Misplaced Pages needs two things. Apparently we need to Strongly Combat Rampant Incivility Even Though It's Only A Small Core Of Assholes And Their Enablers, and we got some articles to write and some POV to neutralize. Of course if Sitush is neutered, and since Boing! apparently left, we'll have to give up on the area of caste--but hey, that's the price you pay. See, now I've done it again, and I need to finish my grading. Drmies (talk) 14:53, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

  • Funny Drmies, I thought Misplaced Pages only needed one thing... People to, you know, write an encyclopedia? That is what this is, isn't it? Why we are here? I think I read that somewhere... I certainly have my own opinions (on a number of these matters). Like yours, they don't matter. Why bother talking to people, I find oversensitivity uncivil. The more I talk to people, the more I like my Dog... Where is Hafspajen when we need him, I need a good pug picture. I guess the big question is, who the fuck cares? And that is a question for a lot these situations. How long has this gone on for, two days? How much time could people have spent writing articles rather than fussing about over an edit summary, and the subsequent nuclear fall out that comes of it. --kelapstick 19:09, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

• kelapstick, Funny peculiar, that you should mention Hafspajen. He seems to have sadly absented himself as well. Chaos is indeed occurring all around us. Fylbecatulous talk 19:25, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

• Not peculiar I should mention him, intentional... I am aware of his hiatus. --kelapstick 19:36, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thank you for replying. I am happy to see you have been gifted with a pug to decorate this page anyway. All the best. Fylbecatulous talk 02:10, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

• When we paraphrase, Drmies, we don't use quotation marks. Your use of quotation marks led me to imagine, not unreasonably, that this was a quotation. It wasn't. I am glad to be able to be less outraged (and less puzzled) now that I am better informed, albeit no wiser. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:27, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

• Well, my apologies if I was obtuse. The paraphrasing was to avoid the relative verbosity of the original poster. Drmies (talk) 17:38, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Advise

Hi Drmies, I'm doing my best to hold up my end of the self-imposed IBan with LB, but its difficult to say the least. Granted, I realize that I said "If ceasing to talk about, near, in reference to, or anywhere in the neighborhood of LB will suddenly make her less tendentious, then I'll stop immediately", but her ongoing paranoia based accusations are difficult to ignore let alone not address. For example, she keeps referencing being emailed offsite when making comments or accusations about me. She's quick to say that she has no way of knowing who sent the email, but the inference is there nonetheless.

Admittedly, I have made postings in the last few days that reference her comments, but not addressing her directly. You might have noticed some of this on Jimbo's Talk page and the Talk page for the Gender Gap Task Force. Other than "try harder to ignore it" any sage wisdom you can provide would be appreciated.

Like I said on Callanec's page, I really just don't care enough about her to make the effort to harass her; not that harassment is worth doing for anyone. But if I was as overtly malicious and nefarious as LB makes the effort to portray me, why would I be wasting my time on Misplaced Pages and not out in the real world causing chaos. I'm not a blogger or a journalist (as LB states she is), I'm just a regular guy who likes this site and sees it as a positive thing. On my User page I have these words emblazoned across the top and have for longer than this thing has been going on with LB...

My overall viewpoint towards Misplaced Pages is that is it a place of learning and a means to counteract ignorance and bigotry. My reason for this belief is that the lack of knowledge is the seed of bigotry. The more knowledgeable and enlightened people there are, in my opinion, the less ignorance and bigotry we will have in the world.

Call it my personal mission statement or Misplaced Pages mantra or what have you, but I mean it. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 18:52, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

OK, it just got a little easier because now its become comical...! LB and I are now BOTH members of the Gender Gap Task Force, the Firearms Project, AND the Pornography Project. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 19:25, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

• I've lowered my level of activity, Hot rod, in part because of the aftereffects of something she set in motion. So I'm not the best person to ask for advice right now. But if you want to ban yourself from interacting with her, you probably don't want to sign up for a project that she's a member of. Later, and good luck with it, Drmies (talk) 19:34, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

• Wow, that's unfortunate. Point taken, but I did not join Gender Gap for any reason that has to do with LB, it just looks like a good project and I'm trying to make a worthwhile contribution. Sorry for the clutter on your Talk page and thank you for your efforts. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 20:07, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Question about Dan56's RfC/U

Hello there, Drmies. I noticed that you are a certifier at Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Dan56, and because I have something I want to add I thought you could help me. I recently had an unpleasant experience with this user, and I wanted to add that to the RfC/U, but I'm not sure if it's an endorsement or an outside view. You can see what I've written at User:Flow Ridian/sandbox. Can you please offer me some guidance in that regard? Thanks! Flow Ridian (talk) 22:54, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

• Flow Ridian, I think an outside view will count as an endorsement of sorts. I always thought of the format as slightly less formal than an ArbCom thing, so it shouldn't matter so much. Please keep in mind that the purpose is not to get someone blocked or something like that--it's to give pointers to someone who has been, let's say, difficult to get along with. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 17:35, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks! Flow Ridian (talk) 18:24, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

The contents of WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Jazzerino is probably interesting to you. Flow Ridian and Harmelodix have both been blocked.—Kww(talk) 19:12, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

A new kind of pork

	Pig out
	I just tried this the other day. Kinda disgusting actually, but one should never turn down a chance to taste a pig. A Puka dog, OTOH is something not to be missed. Think of a hot dog in a sleeve roll, injected with delicious relishes and Hawaiian mustard. Two kinds of pork (talk) 03:20, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Like--Mark Miller (talk) 03:48, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Between you and I

On 3 August 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Between you and I, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that in The Merchant of Venice, Shakespeare may have committed "a grammatical error of unsurpass­able grossness"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Between you and I. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:53, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

• Between you and I, that's a good article. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:36, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Very well done! OK, it's not a complete sentence, but anyway. Cullen Let's discuss it 05:35, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Sharktopus vs. Pteracuda

You'll have to let me know how it is. My brain's at the point that "Pteracuda" actually sounds logical compared to ANI. At least it beats marking papers! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:47, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

• Oh, it's beyond terrible. These guys figured out how to do some special effects, and then concoct a terrible story around a skeleton crew that works on all their movies. And there's always girls in bikinis, though not as many as in Piranhaconda. I'm done with papers, by the way--phew. Hang in there, Chris. I won't be at ANY anytime soon, unless I get summoned of course, but I'm keeping my head firmly in the sand, tool and all, I think. Drmies (talk) 17:33, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
  • I'd rather keep my head in fine grains of gold, but then I'd end up with too many stalkers. Beyond Terrible? *tempted to search for it* — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:57, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
  • And on another note: Piranhaconda? So there's finally a piranha movie worse than Piranha 2? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:00, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Very silly

Can you please cast an eye over the book titles at Die Swart Luiperd? Three of us have had fun translating them from Afrikaans, but I'm wondering whether mine were accurate. Plus they are jolly good stuff, IMO. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:07, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

• Sure. Send me a couple, for when I'm done with Percy Jackson. Drmies (talk) 18:38, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks :-) Who knew ... Yngvadottir (talk) 19:26, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

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• The full title of the publication is Church History: Studies in Christianity and Culture (mentioned on page American Society of Church History). I have no idea how to alter the link. I did a stupid thing on Friday- mistook a French flag for a Dutch flag, failed to use a magnifying glass, nearly bid an excessive amount on a postcard with craquelure in a fancy frame.Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 09:56, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks--I see that StAnselm was nice enough to clean up after me. Drmies (talk) 15:00, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

• There was an article? Feel even more dumb now Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 19:18, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

• Ha, yes and no--I thought there was, but it's a redirect to the ASCH. It's a really good journal, by the way, and I should really try to get published in it. :) Drmies (talk) 20:42, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

• My editor won't respond to me anymore. The world has forgotten my brilliance. Can I paint your shed? I'll do it for some grits and a clean shirt.  davidiad { t } 04:50, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

• I'll join, but I'm more expensive. I need bacon with my grits. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:58, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

If it's any consolation...

Both the editor who started the RfC and another who supported it have been blocked as socks of an editor who's had a deep-seeded issue with me, thus confirming the suspicions I've had all along. Dan56 (talk) 06:44, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thank you Dan56, and I'm sorry someone put you through all this. But I see there's CU evidence, for future troubles. I've left comments in various places, as you've no doubt seen. Thank you for the note, Drmies (talk) 14:51, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the message at Kww's talk page. In response to your question, I suspected it when Harmelodix made his first edits to Misplaced Pages, continuing where the previous blocked user had left off at a few of the articles I had been contributing to significantly, particularly Dark Magus. After two days of noticing he had been editing such articles (similar to the ones Jazzerino had with the same kind of changes), I made a report at "More_possible_sock_puppetry_related_to_Jazzerino" and later at Past ANI revisited", both of which were not given a legitimate chance/review. I'm grateful though that Kww took a look into it recently. Ironically, the result of Harmelodix's report back then was to encourage me to assume good faith more with new users, which can be difficult as evinced by not just Harmelodix, but the other one I notified Kww about here. Hopefully, the sockmaster has been discouraged by all this enough to move on. Dan56 (talk) 17:32, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Codex and consolation

Thank you for your Boniface-related articles! Teach me: the articles which name a codex by a place are named "place Codex", the others "Codex other", - is this one special? - Did you know why you should read that soprano Ada Cherry Kearton was married to wildlife photographer Cherry Kearton and recounted their travels in her autobiography On Safari? - Would you believe that a RM close that took a lot of my energy in 2012 is still hotly debated (on the talk, to be precise, and I didn't have the last word ...)? - I wonder if lambananas are sweet? - "He who speaks a word of consolation ..." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:36, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

• Well, that's what reliable sources call it! ;) Don't take his word for it--see what Lutz von Padberg calls it. There are occurrences for "Codex Ragyndrudis" as well, just not so many. Also, no, I don't, though I just did--I suspect this has something to do with the South-African pulp novels I was asked to look at. Finally, I've not seen that RM, and I suppose I was unaware that Mkativerata had resigned and all that. Just another occasion of me missing some perfectly good drama... Drmies (talk) 20:58, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

The singer is one of the set of about 160 BBC-related articles hat Andy proposed to the arbs to get permission to add infoboxes himself. They said no, but Voceditenore added one to this, in an admirable act of generosity. - Did you miss the perfectly bad drama that brought me close to asking for consolation? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:17, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Ah. Sorry, I gave up on infoboxes... Yes, I saw the Boingish drama and have left a note there. My name was actually brought up there, in the context of An Attempt To Bribe Manchester. I love Sitush. Drmies (talk) 22:01, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Nothing requested from you in terms of infoboxes, only admiration ;) - Looking closer, I saw your beer, thanks for sharing, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:06, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

I admire everyone on all sides of the infobox dispute--how's that? Drmies (talk) 01:28, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

There's no infobox dispute I know of. - An editor formatted the attempt of an infobox by a newbie, - he was observed, taken to arbitration enforcement, which found "no violation", but he is still treated as if he did something wrong and should not have made that improving edit, simply sad, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:11, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

I've been nibbling away at the horrible language in Charles Close without even noticing it had an infobox- just had a look to find out. These boxes remind me of the backs of cigarette cards or baseball cards, or maybe Pokemon (Charles' allegiance is UK, his favourite letters are K,C,O,B and E, and his activity is Mapping War). Infoboxes are excellent for describing steam locomotives. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 10:27, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

I improved it a bit. - One of the common miunderstandings: an infobox is not there to describe, but to make key information available at a glance. I would not have found his place of death easily in the article. - Back to my sadness: whatever topic, if an user made a helpful edit he should be praised. Here, he was asked to self-revert. Would you (y'all) do such a thing? (To be precise, I meant would you self-revert a good edit, but the other question, would you ask, might also worthy of consideration.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:15, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree - it's there to make it easy to find key information. One problem is that some information is too disputed or ambiguous for infoboxes but editors still add it. See my userpage for a statement on infoboxes you might like. Dougweller (talk) 11:37, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

I saw that and was amused, but it doesn't answer my question ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:46, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to answer the question- often the key info I need on a subject couldn't be contained in an info box. For example how to date an Anglepoise lamp (you give it flowers, and promise it 500 volts ). Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 12:52, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Not the question, which is: would you revert a good edit on request, or would you ask someone to revert a good edit which - you think (!) - is not following restrictions? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:29, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't have any useful answer to either question (this is after an hour or so of thinking about them). On the other hand I wouldn't spend time trawling through POTW's contributions to find out if he breached a restriction on the page of the vice-chancellor of PNGUT, or "threaten" him with a week's block. The whole BLP has two references, one of which is a dead link and the other a link to a 66 page pdf in which Schram is (presumably) mentioned en passim. So, the important thing about this article is that POTW mustn't touch the "infobox"? Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 15:46, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for a specific answer. I was thinking more broadly: would I report anyone to AE? No. But nonono for something simply improving. Did you kow how much time was spent on discussing this little edit? Well spent? (Five long threads on three noticeboards, not counting some like this. And this. And this.) Don't we have more important things to do? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:59, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

4.6 million articles, 8.4 million pages of "discussion". A brief scan of Misplaced Pages:Reusing Misplaced Pages content doesn't seem to preclude using that material in publications, so long as authorship is acknowledged. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 17:10, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

• Gerda--Andy is topic-banned from doing infoboxes, was denied permission to add some and found to not be in violation, Voceditenore added one, Voceditenore was asked to revert and threatened with sanctions? As for reverting a good edit if it is in violation of something--well, if it violates something, is it still a good edit? Drmies (talk) 17:41, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Andy is not topic-banned from doing infoboxes, he is restricted not to add one (and some other things). For the article causing the discussions: He didn't add one. Period. No violation. - More generally: if it was a violation I would look violating what, - call it the spirit of the restriction. But now he didn't even violate the letter. - Voceditenore added an infobox to the soprano, one of Andy's articles, I sing praises: that is the way forward. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:43, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

archived as had to be expected: Misplaced Pages talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes#Amendment request: Infoboxes, - this is the list where articles are waiting for generous people who donate an infobox, because their creator thinks they are naked without one, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:55, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thank you for clarifying. You see, I don't know all these things. Drmies (talk) 21:04, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks for looking. - Did you know that the arbs supplied only one diff as evidence in the case, and that one follows a similar pattern, looks like addition of an infobox, but is only uncollapsing one that was there before? Not guilty. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:17, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks Gerda. As for Boniface, I'm not quite done with him yet. I picked up von Padberg's two books on the codex from my office and will be working on the article some. I guess it should be on the front page, on top, to protect the others from martyrdom. Drmies (talk) 22:35, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

• Yes. You can read my mind (that the infoboxes case is closely connected to martyrdom) ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:27, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

PANHEAD2014

After returning from his second block, don't know where he has edited because i am retired from editing, so i have not reverted anything. What i know he has done is file a complaint about me and User:MYS77 writing in a non-English language in each other's talkpages, which is not forbidden by WP guidelines, User:Writ Keeper had the courtesy of informing me today.

My apologies in Mr.Panhead's (as well as the user that received the complaint, then issued me the warning, User:MrScorch6200) page were summarily removed with the summary "Don't wish to be bothered by this person". If you again come into contact with this user, please tell him if he does not wish so, then please stop talking about me/reporting me behind my back.

Attentively, your Portuguese chum --84.90.219.128 (talk) 21:35, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Vasco, you know I love you like a , but sheesh, sometimes you just gotta let go. People are gonna talk, and haters are gonna hate; it's not fun, but there's little that you, I, or anyone else can do about it. I'll back you on the language thing--the complaints and warnings were based on misinterpretations of policy and were contrary to common sense anyway--but we can't stop people from talking about things, and calling people "idiot" isn't going to help either. Just leave it be. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 21:50, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

I know, but i am genuinely trying to reach out to this person, and his DESPISE is really bothering me. The "idiot" part was because i was seething, i removed it immediately after writing it. And you are correct, we have to let go sometimes, well i let this go... now! Thanks for everything. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 21:54, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

• "Let it go...let it go...can't hold it back anymore..." Vasco, I love you like a ferret. Drmies (talk) 21:59, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Sad to see he continues to distil his loathing of my person (in Scorch's page, now i'm basically being called your baby, and a coward when my IP address is static!), but i can't do anything anymore about it, i'll let it go. I asked several people to go in his talkpage and tell him, on my behalf, that i genuinely wished this run-in had never happened and that i wished we could collaborate in WP articles, no one has ever conceded that one :( I'm stubborn as can be, but even i know when to pack it in (why write him nine messages? To see him erase them NINE TIMES?!). --84.90.219.128 (talk) 22:16, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

It is sad, but it's as they say: you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. They're clearly not in the mood to listen to you, so the best thing for keeping the peace is probably to just leave them alone, at least for now. Even kind words are more likely than not just going to make things worse, even if one of us relays those words from you to them. It's not that we don't want you two getting along--we very much do--but I at least just don't think that looks very possible at the moment, y'know? Maybe in time, but not right now. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 22:21, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Always to-the-point and "legally cosmic"! Thank you (both) for everything, now i wiki-sleep (god, how long have i been saying that? Just shut up already AL!) --84.90.219.128 (talk) 22:25, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Student of yours?

Obviously, a student of yours... Smilerslove. Bgwhite (talk) 05:50, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

• With a FAKEARTICLE and categories in user space? Not likely, Bg. Drmies (talk) 17:29, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
  • I think that our articles about Albert Einstein and Isaac Newton are probably safe for now, but somebody should keep an eye on Twerking. Cullen Let's discuss it 04:32, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Whose twerking are you keeping an eye on, Cullen? Drmies (talk) 18:57, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Aha Cullen, you are totally busted. I hope Mrs. Cullen didn't catch you studying this article over breakfast. Drmies (talk) 13:57, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
      • Yeah, Helen Mirren is hot. And she's only seven years older than me. Cullen Let's discuss it 15:12, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Gregorio Vardanega

I just declined a speedy delete on this article. If you compare it to the French wiki version, you'll see that it's pretty much a translation of the French article. The French article is slightly better formatted, but both versions suffer from run-on, resume-like exposition and almost no sourcing. I can easily fix a little bit of the look of it, but I thought that you or one of your stalkers who know more about this sort of thing might want to improve it substantively. The fellow appears to be notable to me.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:07, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Expanded a little bit. Seems to be associated with MADI, which might be notable in itself (an organisation promoting hard-edged and geometrical art in association with the Dallas Art Dealers Association (DADA)- my mental picture of a Dallas art dealer is somewhat like a more healthy Matthew McConaughey) Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 21:23, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Bbbee and Xanthomelanoussproggy. Drmies (talk) 21:53, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Other editors pitched in, too, and it's much appreciated.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:08, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Domination

Why is it that I feel like the pouncee in this discussion? Putting aside the obvious charms of the user, the deletion was a close call, and I'd welcome other administrators' views as to whether it was the right call or whether it should be restored. This chauvinist pig awaits your thoughts.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:00, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

• Oink. Drmies (talk) 22:28, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Monkeying about

Oh great lord of pop culture drivel! Does thou know that our simian brethren also take selfies? And that the well of Commons runs deep with their copyright-free holdings? And these images must have articles! (GigaOM, Buzzfeed). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:56, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

• This is amazing. But BuzzFeed is misleading--the lead photo is not the selfie (it is, however, my new Facebook avatar). Drmies (talk) 01:35, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
  • I'd be tempted to do so as well, but you know how snarkey middle school students can be (and I have a lot of my students on Facebook). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:37, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Big mistake, Crisco! Seriously. Unfriend them all. Make it clear that you're all business--it'll save you a hell of a lot of trouble. Are you friends with Kelapstick yet? He's got nothing but inappropriate stuff on his FB, like pictures of Canada. Drmies (talk) 03:42, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
      • It's not all that uncommon here, actually. No, neither Kelapstick nor yourself grace my Facebook wall (or is it Wall?). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:47, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
        • Crisco? All business? Nah, never happen. I also have some pictures of Mongolia, and China, and Australia, and the US. Not many of the UK, or Turkey, or Korea (Republic of), or Kyrgyzstan.--kelapstick 13:24, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
          • The US? You mean Drmies and his grits? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:30, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Beach Thomas

William Beach Thomas passed GAN a couple of days ago. Thanks very much again for your help with it. If ever you fancy turning your lead-writing skills to Sara Jeannette Duncan, well, that one should be reasonably fettled within the next couple of days although, bearing in mind my recent kerfuffles with feminism, I'm not looking forward to dealing with that aspect of it. I'll do my best and watch out for the lynch mob. - Sitush (talk) 04:25, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Roman historians

Is any of this true? If it is, does it matter? It sounds like a series on Showtime, but what do I know.--Bbb23 (talk) 05:28, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

• Dunno, Bbb... Drmies (talk) 19:00, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

PXE

Hi, the toughest part is already done; It might need a bit more polishing but I think the issues of lack of verifiability, no original research, and neutral point of view have been addressed. The article now follows the PXE specification in simple terms and it puts the standard in a time context establishing the relationship with its ancestors, sibling, and descendants. I think it's a good starting point for people interested in adding complementary information if needed. I appreciate your feedback. Thanks Pxe 213 37 84 214 (talk) 09:53, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

• You know I'm not the person to ask... NE Ent, you know more about this than I do. Please cast your eye thattaway. Drmies (talk) 19:03, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

I already did. Thanks for your help. Pxe 213 37 84 214 (talk) 19:32, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Míchel Salgado

Hi there MIES,

interesting that Panhead was blocked twice, no one was blocked besides him, but the current version of the article is his. He even reverted you in the CELTA sub-section of the club career, calling your English pidgin (the obvious "first-choice right back", when he did nothing but play in that position his entire career, is mind-boggling); the reference in the intro, which is not obligatory per WP guidelines and is only A LINK, is still there. Last but not least, even though even an admin (User:Mattythewhite) said that, even though it was the first time he saw an injury being discussed in the page of the "perpetrator" instead of the "victim", he would not contest its inclusion, the Juninho Paulista incident has never been included again or, at the very least, brought forth for discussion again, as he wanted.

Don't know why am i doing this, when it's obvious if you revert him i'll be deemed your baby or akin. Maybe you should ask for a second opinion that Panhead does not consider harassment or akin, and if the other person deems the version 100% correct i'll have to abide by the consensus (only speaking from a reader standpoint, will not edit anything); by the way, Panhead, User:Gringoladomenega and User:MYS77 are still at each others' throats, dunno if that's the case (if it's not i apologize for the accusation, to him, you and WP in general) but it looks like the first is firing on all cylinders to see if the other two are blocked like he was, thus getting "even". Should you or User:Writkeeper ask "is this what you call letting go?" i'll say "yes, i have let go of the messages here and there, now i am only worried - for one final time - with the contents, Salgado's page is one i hold dearly because i developed it greatly since it was only a snotty stub.

Well, going to work again in my translation (400 pages at that, first time i have worked in EIGHT years, a paid endeavour, English to Portuguese if you should ask), tough but i'll get by! Cheerio, all the best --84.90.219.128 (talk) 17:49, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

• Ha, I have to give them credit: mine is the non-pidgin version. Maybe Matteythewhite or GiantSnowman can take a more active interest in this; it's really not my cup of tea. Plus, I don't understand why Gringoladomenega keeps insisting on "nearly ten years" when, if I remember correctly, the reference has him playing in Spain for fifteen years. Drmies (talk) 19:07, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Any advice

Drmies, you were quite helpful with the Category:Group of 88 issue, so I wonder if I could impose on you again? One of the editors involved in that issue (@Shakehandsman:) has nominated an article of theirs for featured article status. I gave some comments at Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Murder of Ross Parker/archive1, which they first ignored and then answered with a preface that accuses me of having "an unhealthy" level of interest in them. Yes, I have been looking at what they are editing because of their involvement in the group of 88 issue, but I have not done anything that could be seen as harassment or even impoliteness. It feels like Shakehandsman is attempting to discredit my comments on the article. I have further comments on the article, but don't want to inflame the situation. Any advice? Nigel Pap (talk) 20:50, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

• I can't be of much use right now since I got thingies to do, but I did remove the commentary by Shakehandsman in Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Murder of Ross Parker/archive1. It seems to me to be highly inappropriate to poison the well with such comments which should be placed, if anywhere at all, on the talk page. I'll try and look more in-depth later; for the time being, unless Shakehandsman comes armed with a topic ban for you or maybe a court order, you are welcome to comment: as long as your comments are on point and concern the article, of course. Drmies (talk) 21:40, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Thank you. Nigel Pap (talk) 15:27, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

I added my follow-up comments and Shakehandsman has now declared that most of the items I raised are "closed" without substantively addressing the issues I raised. I don't have any experience with featured article nominations, is that normal? Nigel Pap (talk) 03:40, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

• Well, not knowing much of the subject matter I can't really comment on the questions and answers (and it's a lot of words), but no, that's not really normal. One of the FA regulars (I'm thinking of

Any decent refs in Dutch?

Crookram is a Dutch hip-hop artist who may or may not be WP notable. LadyofShalott 13:30, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

• Might be a protégé of Speak (Hungarian rapper). Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 17:31, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

• There appear to be two musicians called Chris Angelovski; one plays guitar and the other is "the dope, man" (the comma is important). Actually he don't sound too bad. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 18:01, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

• I have doubts about notability--can't find anything but the one VPRO article already linked. Drmies (talk) 00:39, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

• Yes, there's a scarcity of biographical information (probably 'cos there's nothing much to say). His music seems to have some popularity. Needs some music critic to write about his "pandiatonic clusters" and "aeolian cadences".

  The other trademark of their compositions is a firm and purposeful bass line with a musical life of its own; how Lennon and McCartney divide their creative responsibilities I have yet to discover, but it is perhaps significant that Paul is the bass guitarist of the group. It may also be significant that George Harrison's song “Don't bother me” is harmonically a good deal more primitive, though it is nicely enough presented.- William Mann, The Times

  Don't you love discovering great music by sheer randomness? Crookram is a downtempo/trip hop producer whose music will blow you away....Through Windows shows glimpses of (early) RJD2-esque stylistic diversity with its lush, atmospheric soundscapes. As instrumental LPs go, Through Windows is top notch.- Hip Hop Is Read

  Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 06:42, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

• Well, Xanthomelanoussprog, this is your chance to spread your wings and fly... Drmies (talk) 04:12, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Drmies admin helpline - abortion pov

As there are discretionary sanctions on the topic, I need some input. I haven't dealt in discretionary sanction areas before. I've got IPs and an editor going around adding this to articles about Australian MPs. In the MP's article, how a MP voted on this now becomes the only mention on how a politician voted on a particular topic. Am I offbase on this? Any other advice

• See Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Abortion. I wish all those ArbCom pages had a summary of sanctions and scope, and a template. Fortunately EdJohnston was nice enough to leave a diff to where they placed a warning, so I basically copied their entire message. Anyway, I reverted their edits on two articles; the tone of those edits was pretty clearly POV. Go ahead and revert the rest, if there is more. Drmies (talk) 23:50, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Nadja Salerno-Sonnenberg

This article was in very sorry shape. Although I was already familiar with her, several weeks ago I saw the documentary about her and was very moved. I have essentially rewritten the entire article. More work than the few articles I've created from nothing. Anyway, you're welcome to improve it if you wish. As you'll see I had to use Highbeam for just about everything because I couldn't find good online sources. Google's archived news has been a joke for some time now. Anyway, you often find sources I don't, and then there are of course your talk page stalkers, some of whom dance circles (while she plays the violin) around my abilities as a content creator. Maybe I shouldn't be, but I'm kinda proud of it.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:18, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

• I may try and look for stuff later. For now, nice work, Bbb--it's a real article. Well done. Drmies (talk) 03:47, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

It's always good to include the word "spewing"

Hi Drmies. Thanks for your "welcome back" three weeks ago, but it was premature, as I may only now be ready to do a little editing, but I wanted to comment on the recent controversy which I just saw mentioned at the top of your talk page. It's disappointing, to say the least, that your friend apparently got blocked for an isolated, relatively innocuous comment, while elsewhere an administrator was allowed to go rambling though WT:DYK on a reign of terror, continuously spewing incivility for months, without consequence. Though it does appear to have abated, it all left such a bad taste in my mouth that after driving me away for nine weeks, I still feel unmotivated to resume my previous level of Wikiactivity. (More on my talk page.)

Last I heard, Misplaced Pages is desperately in need of keeping editors around, but here we had an administrator who drove away other users and basically said "good riddance". Shameful. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 03:17, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

• Well, my dear Mandarax, I stuck my little pinkytoe into ANI and got a couple of earfuls again--apparently I'm providing a "fig leaf" from behind which abusive IPs can throw their vitriol around. I so understand the editor formerly known as IP xx, and also as User:J__. You know I slum around regularly myself, and am, for the most part, treated well by editors with accounts (including admins), though Andy the Grump was not very helpful last time. And all the while it seems we are indeed losing admins (goodbye Boing!--Sitush has to go it practically alone now) and editors. Well, at least we got color-coded tables for every individual fucking installment of Lose Your Fat Or Die or Three-Year Old Toddlers Dressed Up As Sluts In Beauty Contests For Your Viewing Pleasure, and every Percy Jackson character has at least 30k of plot summary (well, not the two I redirected the other day). Then I discovered that not a single work of Ambrose (except for Veni redemptor gentium) had an article. That it would take a diletante like me to write De bono mortis, that's just sad. Drmies (talk) 23:49, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Karl Schenkl

Hi. Along with KylieTastic, I also patrol Category:Articles with missing files and I noticed the Karl Schenkl article and your recent edit summary. Perhaps I misunderstood the German but it seems like the image de:Datei:Karl Schenkl.jpg is not definitively public domain. The image is assumed to be PD because the term of protection for the work has expired. I'm not willing to transfer the image to Commons because I am not certain that it's PD. Can you ping "Crisco" (I'm not sure which Crisco you mean) so we can get this solved? Thanks! - tucoxn\ 23:39, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks Tucoxn. The Crisco in question is the one and only Crisco 1492. He has not responded yet, so I assume he's off in dreamland after a Bintang or two, but I'm sure he'll be here or there soon to help out. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 23:41, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks for helping to clear this up! I noticed that the source for the de.wp image seems to be a broken link. Unfortunately, I don't think I got that German wrong. - tucoxn\ 23:49, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

• Hmm... I'm not quite sure this is a photograph, the only case in which we could be sure this was taken more than 100 years ago. To be safe I'd use it as fair use. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:50, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

• It's odd--it's the only image I can find of him. Well, Crisco, what do you suggest? Or, better yet, can't you just go ahead and do it? :) Drmies (talk) 02:07, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

• I agree with Crisco- it's drawn from a photo. Is there anything on its origin? I've come across German and Austrian cartes de visite drawn in the same way, which date to the 1870s (e.g. Bismarck). I can't remember seeing a German-language book of the period with an illustrated frontispiece of the author- do they exist? Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 05:59, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

• Very often such images come from an obituary in an academic journal, but there are also a few directories of German-speaking academics by subject that de.wikipedia has taken lithographs from. I'd seen the statement on the image page and went to comment it out in the article but edit conflicted with Drmies :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 12:41, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Kids being taught TV was invented 2400 years ago

Ouch, the next generation of Wikipedians from India are likely to be even more awkward to deal with than quite a few of the present generation. Did you know, for example, that television was invented by Indians ca. 2400 years ago? - Sitush (talk) 20:59, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

And, yes, mine is a Daily Mail type of headline, but you'll get the gist. - Sitush (talk) 21:01, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

• That's the ridiculousest story I've read in some time--I mean, it's even stupider than the letters to the editor in the Montgomery Advertiser, and that's saying something. (Here's a sample--esp. Tony P. from Prattville's letter is worth reading; he writes in regularly. The work of Marcus West from Montgomery is not in this sampler: it boils down to "Obama is a muslim who wants to take your guns rah-rah". I wish I could find the letter from that moron from Deatsville, who wrote in to say that since bicyclists don't pay road taxes they should get the fuck off of our streets.) Drmies (talk) 21:30, 11 August 2014 (UTC)