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== The Misplaced Pages policy on biographical statements about living persons is very strict. == | |||
Hi, Deleet, you really need to develop a habit of providing a reliable source for all of your edits on topics that might prove to be controversial on Misplaced Pages. You know very well from your off-wiki writing activities that some topics are more controversial than others. Moreover, Misplaced Pages, which is no longer the "encyclopedia where anyone can make something up", has been badly burned by editors who insert statements about living persons into articles without reliable sources, so now Misplaced Pages has a very strict policy about ]. In general, you and I and anybody are allowed to make a '''reliably sourced''' statement about a living person even if that statement is controversial. But even the most innocuous statements about a living person are suspect if unsourced, and the Misplaced Pages policy '''requires''' that "Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced – whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable – '''should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion.''' Users who persistently or egregiously violate this policy may be blocked from editing." I'm just following the spirit and the letter of the policy here. Your edits on ] have yet to cite a source, even though I have pointed on the article talk page to a ] that includes helpful, reliable, secondary sources on the topic of that article. Your reply on the article talk page fails to note that the persons currently linked in that article section are '''dead''' and thus not subject to the ] policy in quite the same way (although it would still be a good idea better to source statements about the point of view of those late writers). On my part, I've seen some edits to that page that look plausible at first glance, but I've learned since the ], for which discretionary sanctions are still in place, that edits that look plausible on that controversial broad topic may still be contrary to Misplaced Pages policy, unless all of us check sources carefully in the manner advised by the ArbCom decision. If you found reliable, secondary sources that said Santa Claus or Elmer Fudd are hereditarians, I would not object to statements to that effect in the article. If someone inserts in an article within the scope of these related topics the statement that Barak Obama is the President of the United States, I would ask for a source, because I've learned that strict application of the ] policy is the path forward here to improving article quality and making sure that the editing environment is more in accord with Misplaced Pages policies. It's not personal, so you don't have to ] as you have in your recent edit summaries. Simply find a reliable, secondary source--which is not too much to ask of someone editing an encyclopedia, which is what ]--and there shouldn't be any problem with any edit to that article. Remember, the ] policy has its own notice board, and ] BLP statements in articles per BLP policy is a recognized exception to the general policy against edit-warring. Oh, yeah, and the ArbCom case decision reminds all of us that "Misplaced Pages articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources." That's all I'm looking for here. If you are engaged in research, it shouldn't be hard to find a source. -- ] (], ]) 19:24, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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Any luck on Helmuth Nyborg's research?
last November, you mentioned that you'd try to find a source for the Helmuth Nyborg article at . Did you have any luck? the newsvine article notes that the professor has been sacked, so might not be available. My problem is that the news article is one of the few sources that use IQ as a measure, and it's lack of source makes the Religiosity and intelligence page a bit weak, especially if educational correlates are removed as per recent discussions. I haven't been able to find anything new via google or google scholar, and wondered if you had any luck in DanishWotherspoonSmith (talk) 09:03, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry to be a bother but, no i can't read Danish. I'm now quite curious though- what was the outcome?WotherspoonSmith (talk) 08:42, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Many thanks. This does leave me wondering if the quote should remain in the Religiosity and intelligence article, but I will leave it for a while to see if anything else shows up in the meantime. WotherspoonSmith (talk) 23:46, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
The Dark Side of the Moon
Hello, you made an edit to The Dark Side of the Moon to change the number of consecutive weeks that the album was on the Billboard charts, but you did not change the reference to where this information comes from (apparently a blog site called rockandrollreport dot com), which suggests you got this information from the same source as the original edit, but interpreted it differently. I tried to go to the link to see what it says, but could not get through, so this may be a dead link. I'm unsure where to go from here, so I reverted your change for now. If you got your information from a different source, please make the change again, and replace the reference with the source you are using.
Also, I recommend keeping the wording currently used in the article, and just changing the numbers. I found your wording to be a little awkward compared to the original. No offence intended; your rewording uses "Billboard" twice, uses the word "historical" ungramatically, and removes the information that Billboard is a USA chart – which isn't essential, but the result is a longer sentence giving less information. But if you think the sentence does need rewording, and want to try a different way of wording it, go ahead. Thanks. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 14:43, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Reversion
I've reverted your recent edit relating to Denmark in the Christianity by country article. See discussion at Denmark -- Boracay Bill (talk) 22:56, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
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Hi, Deleet, you should be aware of this already, but I thought it would be a good idea to be sure.
Please carefully read this information:The Arbitration Committee has authorised discretionary sanctions to be used for pages regarding the intersection of race/ethnicity and human abilities and behaviour, a topic which you have edited. The Committee's decision is here.
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This message is informational only and does not imply misconduct regarding your contributions to date.I'm still expanding my bibliography of reliable, secondary sources on the topics we both edit about, and I'll be adding more as I read more. See you on the wiki. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 11:26, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
Hey Emil
Hey Emil, I am trying to get the well-sourced point that U.S. & U.K. and other countries are IQ meritocracies as per sources like Plomin, Deary, Murray, Jensen etc. in the Heritability and IQ article. Could you assist there? Especially since few editors try to claim that Turkheimer's highly flawed 2003 study is something to draw conclusions from. I would also like the inclusion of Gregory Clark's works in there. I would appreciate if you took a look at the talk page and helped in any way. Thank you.76.66.130.161 (talk) 02:13, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
- Done. --Deleet (talk) 02:40, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot.76.66.130.161 (talk) 02:41, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
The Misplaced Pages policy on biographical statements about living persons is very strict.
Hi, Deleet, you really need to develop a habit of providing a reliable source for all of your edits on topics that might prove to be controversial on Misplaced Pages. You know very well from your off-wiki writing activities that some topics are more controversial than others. Moreover, Misplaced Pages, which is no longer the "encyclopedia where anyone can make something up", has been badly burned by editors who insert statements about living persons into articles without reliable sources, so now Misplaced Pages has a very strict policy about biographies of living persons. In general, you and I and anybody are allowed to make a reliably sourced statement about a living person even if that statement is controversial. But even the most innocuous statements about a living person are suspect if unsourced, and the Misplaced Pages policy requires that "Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced – whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable – should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion. Users who persistently or egregiously violate this policy may be blocked from editing." I'm just following the spirit and the letter of the policy here. Your edits on Hereditarianism have yet to cite a source, even though I have pointed on the article talk page to a source list on human genetics that includes helpful, reliable, secondary sources on the topic of that article. Your reply on the article talk page fails to note that the persons currently linked in that article section are dead and thus not subject to the WP:BLP policy in quite the same way (although it would still be a good idea better to source statements about the point of view of those late writers). On my part, I've seen some edits to that page that look plausible at first glance, but I've learned since the 2010 ArbCom case, for which discretionary sanctions are still in place, that edits that look plausible on that controversial broad topic may still be contrary to Misplaced Pages policy, unless all of us check sources carefully in the manner advised by the ArbCom decision. If you found reliable, secondary sources that said Santa Claus or Elmer Fudd are hereditarians, I would not object to statements to that effect in the article. If someone inserts in an article within the scope of these related topics the statement that Barak Obama is the President of the United States, I would ask for a source, because I've learned that strict application of the WP:BLP policy is the path forward here to improving article quality and making sure that the editing environment is more in accord with Misplaced Pages policies. It's not personal, so you don't have to assume bad faith as you have in your recent edit summaries. Simply find a reliable, secondary source--which is not too much to ask of someone editing an encyclopedia, which is what we are here to build--and there shouldn't be any problem with any edit to that article. Remember, the WP:BLP policy has its own notice board, and fixing BLP statements in articles per BLP policy is a recognized exception to the general policy against edit-warring. Oh, yeah, and the ArbCom case decision reminds all of us that "Misplaced Pages articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources." That's all I'm looking for here. If you are engaged in research, it shouldn't be hard to find a source. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 19:24, 1 October 2014 (UTC)