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Notifying about edit war(s)
I don't know what user TheRedPenOfDoom is up to but he/she has recently been engaged in edit wars. You may be knowing that we had differences of opinions about Bade Achhe Lagte Hain. He/she had been deleting all sentences with the citation needed tag, and sometimes even referenced information saying that they are against Wiki's policies, even though they were not so. I didn't go for a 3O as we had discussed on our talk pages, and not the article talk page. And he/she had told me many things which really hurt me. I had gone to the administrator's helpdesk, but there all supported him/her. Just by saying that he is a good user and that we can learn a lot from him/her. But that really seemed biased. Since then I have tried to talk to him/her nicely, accept his/her views and even thank him/her for his/her edits. Once again we had a mild difference of opinion regarding the same page. But this time I accepted his/her views, added required references and created a synthesis. And this time I started the discussed on the article's talk page, though inspite of me notifying him/her, he/she never turned up there. And now as far as my perception is concerned I think the matter has been sorted out. I have added the required tags and references. But I would request you to go through the recent edits I made to Bade Achhe Lagte Hain, and see if I did something wrong.
And now I would come to the main point, I was just beating 'bout the bush. It seems that he/she got himself/herself involved in an edit war here and here and here. He/she was even nearly going to get engaged in an edit war on Bade Achhe Lagte Hain, not with me but with an IP address user (here, here and here). I would just request you to go through these. It's not that I have a grudge against him/her. But I feel that he/she tries to impose his/her views on other instead of calmly discussing with others on the concerned article's talk page. I think that this demotivates other users (as it had demotivated me long back), who may have their own opinions. Well, that's what I feel. I would not like to generalise it. And if I do so that would be too wrong and unfair on my part. --Tamravidhir (talk) 07:11, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
- I'm glad to hear that you are using the article talk page to discuss concerns. If editors don't respond to article talk page notes, it may mean that they have decided they agree with you or have lost interest or even didn't notice they were there (when people don't notify them, as you did). In any case, if somebody continues editing an article in pursuit of a particular point and ignores feedback on an article talk page, it is evidence that you are trying to resolve the dispute and they are not. It can help you avoid edit warring and reach out to others. It's not really my place to tell you if your edits are okay - that's a content question, and it will be determined (if there are disputes) by consensus. I have no special expertise in the area of television show articles and really very little experience with them outside of copyright work. If you have doubts, you might want to check with a related Wikiproject to see how things are done.
- user TheRedPenOfDoom passed WP:3RR on Yoshukai Karate. It was raised at Misplaced Pages:Help_desk#Edit_War_at_Yoshukai_Karate and there is discussion from an admin on his talk page. Hopefully he will start to engage, as such behavior may result in an immediate block. It's combative and not allowed, even when a person is right, except in very explicitly identified circumstances necessary to protect Misplaced Pages or article subjects from immediate harm. But reports of edit warring belong at ]. In general, if your concerns about a user persist and the problems are not overwhelming enough that an WP:ANI report will solve it, you should consider some of the approaches recommended at WP:DR. User conduct disputes are some of the most difficult. If you try in good faith to talk civilly to a user about your concerns and fail, you might want to consider a request for comment. You would want to look at a person's talk page and see if others have tried to talk to them about the same issue, as at least two people must certify that they have failed to solve a problem before an RFCU is opened. An RFCU is a discussion like article content discussion, where a user's behavior is examined in light of policies. Users are not generally blocked as an outcome of an RFCU. What it does is establish consensus that behavior is a problem, which gives the editor an opportunity to change the behavior. If they do not, then follow-up at WP:ANI can demonstrate through the consensus at the RFC that there is an ongoing problem. But as with everything, all of this starts with trying to talk to the person politely about your areas of concern.
- I have been involved in few requests for comment about user conduct, but here is one of (I think) two that I have initiated: Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Xanderliptak. Unfortunately, the user was not open to comment, and we wound up at AN anyway. But unless a person is so blatantly disruptive that the need to block is clear without conversation, we try to give people chances.
- I hope this helps. --Moonriddengirl 11:22, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
- I didn't ask you to block him/her but just to have a look, because I perceived it was wrong, and regarding these areas am really incompetent and a novice. So for that reason I came to you! Nothing else. And seriously I just go on bothering you, I should go to the concerned users. Actually I have developed so much of trust and faith in you, over all these months, that the first name which comes in my mind is "Moonriddengirl". :P Thank you! --Tamravidhir (talk) 14:40, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- I know you didn't ask me to block him; I'm just explaining the general approach. :) And I'm glad you find me useful! --Moonriddengirl 12:41, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
- ^_^ --Tamravidhir (talk) 14:39, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
Further help
I have a list of questions (:P) which I have listed here under:
- Okay, so my first question is that....remember I had changed my username from Jagadhatri to Tamravidhir in early 2012. But in Wikicommons, my username is still User Jagadhatri, basically there are two separate usernames, I can either sign in with the old one or the new one, and they have not been merged, if I upload using Jagadhatri then that will not be shown in the contribution list of Tamravidhir. So how can I fix this problem?
- Should a disambiguation page, consist names of non-existent wiki articles, such as here and here?
- What's an awesome Wikipedian?
- How to make a list of television shows broadcast by a television channel more reliable and encyclopaedic?
No more! List over. :P :) ^_^ --Tamravidhir (talk) 08:04, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
- Okay, so, unfortunately you didn't actually change your name, which is a specific technical term for when an account is renamed by a bureaucrat or steward and your edit history goes with the new name. The old edits are still separate (). What you did is abandon that account, which is fine. Merging accounts is not possible. It is possible to change the name on an account. I don't know if you can change your Jagadhatri account to Tamravidhir on Commons without changing it everywhere, although I kind of doubt it. You could ask at meta:Talk:Steward requests/Username changes.
- Thank you so much Moonriddengirl! But I am afraid I didn't understand your reply to my first query. What Ii actually meant was that all the edits I made when I had the username Jagadhatri are now in the history of this username. I mean suppose I had edited article "X" in Jan'12 when I was Jagadhatri and in May'12 I became Tamravidhir, so when I go back to the history of the article "X" there my name is no more Jagadhatri there, but Tamravidhir-exactly what I want-but suppose I have uploaded a non-free image here there my name maybe Jagadhatri but it redirects to my new userpage and talk page. But when I am logged in to Misplaced Pages and via a link on any page I go to Commons while I am logged in here, there my name is Tamravidhir and my history shows that I haven't uploaded anything but when I log out and log in there using Jagadhatri I can see everything there. So as far as my perception is concerned i think that my name has been just in Misplaced Pages and not in all the Wiki sites where I have an account, or where I have made any edits/uploaded anything/adone any related activity.
- And thank you so much for replying to the rest of my doubts, but I was thinking about an adoption, and I saw that User:Yunshui is currently adopting, so I requested him. He however, didn't adopt me saying that it may not be required for me and that I may need help only in certain specific areas and also said that he was ready to help me unofficially, but as I insisted he asked me to give him a list of the areas I feel I struggle with. And since then-it is so kind of him, to take the pain-he has been helping me here. Thank you so much Moonriddengirl, even you have been helping me since the time I came across you. Thank you so much! --Tamravidhir (talk) 14:40, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- You asked me to seek for help here. So I have requested User:Steward to help me in this here. Thank you so much Moonriddengirl! --Tamravidhir (talk) 16:17, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
- The stewards are probably the best to help you figure it out. :) When I saw that User:Jagadhatri on English Misplaced Pages was an active account, I assumed it had been yours - when a user is renamed, there *is* no account for that name and no editing history. Looking more closely, I see somebody else took the account after your rename - they were active in November of last year. I've undone the redirects since they may have need of their own talk and user pages again now. :) I'm very happy to hear that User:Yunshui is helping you and hope that the stewards can resolve the issue with your username on Commons. --Moonriddengirl 12:41, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
It's really really confusing but all those edits under the name of Jagadhatri (here) are actually mine! Even this edit's mine : here. I took that pic and I added it there in Nov'12. It's really scaring me and an afraid! Really really! --Tamravidhir (talk) 14:35, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
- Please redirect all those pages of Jagadhatri back to mine.That's actually me and not anyone else...Please... --Tamravidhir (talk) 14:37, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
- I remember that at that time (in Nov'12) I was not in my hometown! And when I actually joined Wiki I was at the same place (where I was in Nov'12)! I also had the same laptop, and in that laptop whenever I log in I don't need to give my username for logging in Wiki/any social networking site. Maybe that was the case. I mean in Dec'11 I had logged in as Jagadhatri, so that was saved there. And later I came back to my city, where my username was changed in May'12. And that was saved in my laptop (the one I used in my hometown), and later when I went back to that holiday destination in Nov'12, Jagadhatri was already saved there and not Tamravidhir, so I might have just overlooked it and logged in and edited....is that possible? Won't those edits be under Tamravidhir??? Are there still 2 user accounts of mine...O God! I will never again change my name in Wiki.... ;( --Tamravidhir (talk) 14:51, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
- Just see this. That user subpage is mine...not of any other user...this creates so much of problem...--Tamravidhir (talk) 14:57, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
You see, all these - and even this - are mine...;( --Tamravidhir (talk) 14:59, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
- Can't all these (even my edits under Jagadhatri) be moved to Tamravidhir? I can bet one thing till this thing is solved I will not do any major edits except rv vandalism/good-faith edits which may not be required. I am even postponing my plan to make that article on Taj a GA now...later but not now...please I beg of you! Help me! --Tamravidhir (talk) 15:03, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
Things I request you to do
Moonriddengirl (I have another message for you below) I just called up and checked that there my the username saved in the laptop at that holiday place is Tamravidhir, not Jagadhatri, that means that when I last visited that place, I had logged in Misplaced Pages as Tamravidhir. And that's what it should be as I have edits in the contribution history of Tamravidhir (here) made on the same day and just after a few minutes. I mean that the first edit which is now in the contribution history of Jagadatri (here) was made on 19 Nov'12 at 14:56 and the last on the same day at 15:34. While the contribution history of Tamravidhir shows that on the same day the first edit I made at 14:51 and the last on that day at 16:01. It's highly suspicious and highly confusing. I know that it's not possible to merge account in Misplaced Pages. But I request you to do the things I have listed down. I will be grateful to you for my entire Wiki life:
- Please delete all the user subpages and user talk subpages of Jagadhatri which redirect to the respective subpages of Tamravidhir
- Please move all the contribution history (not just in Misplaced Pages, I mean the global user contributions) which is under Jagadhatri - here and the global account info of Jagadhatri - here to that of Tamravidhir - global contributions of Tamravidhir and global account info of Tamravidhir
I want nothing else! Thank you so so much... --Tamravidhir (talk) 05:06, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
- By the way, Moonriddengirl, do you feel that that ad in your talk page which is actually saved in your header template should be centered? I had the same problem but I fixed it...I was just asking...I hope you didn't mind.... :/ --Tamravidhir (talk) 05:22, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
- Of course, I don't mind, User:Tamravidhir. :) I hadn't noticed it wasn't centered anymore. I'll take a look at it. I cannot help you with your contribution history - this is why I directed you to the stewards. English Misplaced Pages administrators do not have the technical ability to do this, not even on English Misplaced Pages. On English Misplaced Pages, bureaucrats do this. Across projects, stewards do. They'll have to assist you however they can, and I don't know what they can do. :/
- I can, however, delete any other subpages I see - I deleted the ones I found when I thought that Jagadhatri was a new editor. --Moonriddengirl 11:39, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you Moonriddengirl. Please, could you also delete the user talk subpages of Jagadhatri. I have also redirected the userpage and user talk page of Jagadhatri to those of Tamravidhir as when I was Jagadhatri my signature had a link to User:Jagadhatri and User talk:Jagadhatri. And if they aren't redirected again then it may cause a problem. As far as transferring the contribution history is concerned I have requested User:Maxim to help me. Thank you so much Moonriddengirl! --Tamravidhir (talk) 12:00, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
- If you provide a link to them, I am happy to. :) --Moonriddengirl 12:02, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
- I'm afraid I didn't get you... :/ --Tamravidhir (talk) 12:04, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
- If there are pages that are not deleted and you would like them deleted, provide a link, and I will delete them. I'm afraid I don't have time to look for them. --Moonriddengirl 12:14, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
I had got you and was just going to reply...but there was an edit concflict...The pages are as follows:
I can find only these...I am not sure if there are any more. --Tamravidhir (talk) 12:20, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
Regarding User:सुनील मलेठिया
For your convenience I would like to inform you (I have another message for you above, God! How much do I bother you...) that this user users the Devanagari script for his username. If to write it in English/the Roman script then it will be - Sunil Malethia. So I want to report an issue regarding this user to you. I don't want to get engaged in an edit war, but this user (this user's userpage is blank but you can visit his talk page) is constantly de-italicising the television show names in Template:Star Plus Shows and Template:Life OK Programmes. However as per WP:ITAL we must "Use italics for the titles of works of literature and art, such as books, pamphlets, films (including short films), television series, named exhibitions, computer and video games (but not other software), music albums, and paintings". He is also removing the space between two consecutive names in the list, making the source cumbersome while editing. He is also classifying half of the show name as per format (such as reality) and half of them as per genre (such as drama). While I had classified them as soap opera, anthology series and reality show. I had the notified the user in his talk page and even started a discussion in the respective talk page (here and here). The user is not responding but simply undoing my edits. I am refraining from using rollback, as I am afraid that it may lead to an edit war. But the user is too stubborn to discuss and simply reverting my edits. This was the last edit I made to Template:Life OK Programmes - here and this is his last edit (current revision) to the same template - here. This was my last edit to Template:Star Plus Shows - here and this is his (current revision) - here. Please I request you to look into the matter. Thank you... ^_^ --Tamravidhir (talk) 04:39, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
- Hi, User:Tamravidhir. I cannot help you directly with content disputes, I'm afraid, beyond advising you what to do. The thing to do is reach out for help from editors who work in the area - for instance, neutrally asking people at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Television to comment and leaving a note at the talk pages for Template talk:Star Plus Shows and Template:Life OK Programmes what you have done. Once consensus is established, anyone who continues to edit in opposition to it is behaving disruptively. If, for instance, the project agreed that the italics need to be place but that the order he prefers is the proper way and he continued removing italics, you might note that the italics are again removed in the discussion. This would allow others to help you implement consensus and avoid your being in an edit war because others are sharing the work of correcting content. If he continues reverting clear consensus, the place to go - with a link to the consensus and note of his continued violation of it - would either be WP:3RRN or WP:ANI. --Moonriddengirl 11:39, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you Moonriddengirl I will do as you said. --Tamravidhir (talk) 12:03, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
- Could please tell me that how can I approach other users at WP:Television "neutrally". I mean how should I frame it? Highly confused! --Tamravidhir (talk) 12:23, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
- I don't think that it's no longer needed as I have already started a discussion here. :) --Tamravidhir (talk) 14:13, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
- Okay. :) Usually, I would just say, "There is disagreement over the formatting of several infoboxes" and explain what the disagreement is. If you don't explain your side and don't make it sound like one side is preferred, you're likely to be neutral. --Moonriddengirl 11:17, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank you so much Moonriddengirl! The issue has been resolved. Thank you so much! :D ^_^ --Tamravidhir (talk) 15:25, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
The Signpost: 24 September 2014
OTRS
The current statement of DR policy at Misplaced Pages:Volunteer Response Team seems to be very different from the much more cautious and modest advice you have always given me about our limited role. I've made a comment on the talk page there. DGG ( talk ) 04:27, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks, DGG. I'll keep an eye on the conversation and its evolution. I think keeping in mind that OTRS agents are also acting as Misplaced Pages editors in any interaction is important. :) --Moonriddengirl 11:43, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
Suspected Copyvios
Hello,
I noticed that entire sections of Turkish cities are copyvio's. Please see my recent contributions of deletions I did. My edit-summary explains it all. I know that there's more. For example, at the Cuisine section at Malatya, much of the information appears to be copied and pasted from here. Another example is the Climate section of the Rize article which appears to be from this website. What's the best way to go about handling this? Étienne Dolet (talk) 07:10, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
- Hi, Étienne Dolet. :) It is a sad fact that articles related to some areas are prone to more copyright issues, and Turkey is one of those. I suspect it's a combination of a lack of cultural focus on intellectual property and a desire to contribute with perhaps limitations in English. But while our articles are prone to copying more from sites related to Turkey, sites related to Turkey are prone to copying from us as well. I have even found content on governmental sites that on investigation were unquestionably derived from Misplaced Pages. So the headache in working in these areas is always going to be in figuring out who had it first. :/
- The first thing to do is generally to look and see when the content entered and who added it. Comparing the two, we see this sentence in both pages: "About 50% of the fresh apricot production and 95% of the dried apricot production in Turkey, the world's leading apricot producer, is provided by Malatya and the name of the fruit is synonymous with the city." I took the phrase "world's leading apricot producer" and put it into the revision history search to find it entered in 2007. Looking at that, I'm instantly thinking we have a backwards copy here. The material as entered was not complete - it ended with the words "provided from Malatya." The rest of the sentence was already in the article, in the overview section: "In Turkey, the apricot is synonymous with Malatya." It also incorporated a sentence ("This region of Malatya is best known for its apricot orchards.") from the older version that appears modified in the external site. Looking further, it seems that the editor's next action was to blend existing content into his new addition here. He added some new content in that edit (the "delicious and sophisticated" section) and pulled some more material in from elsewhere in the article ("nourished from the alluvial soil"). Looking back at the oldest edit in June 2007, here, we find that "nourished from the alluvial soil" language. We can also trace how the original content "Malatya apricots are often dried in the sun by traditional family-run orchards, collected and shipped throughout the world" is modified in that later edit to read "Malatya apricots are often sun-dried by family-run orchards following traditional methods, and collected and shipped throughout the world." The source uses the latter text. I know that at some point "This region of Malatya" was tightened to "The Malatya region" and next look to see when that happened. It happened here, in a general copy-edit almost two years later by a different user. Other changes that user made - he turned "50% of fresh apricot" into "50% of the fresh apricot" - the external site uses the article. He did the same to dried apricot. The external site reflects that, too. He changed "from Malatya" to "by Malatya." The external site says "by Malatya." He changed "belong to Malatya" to "comes out of Malatya." The external site uses that language. He changed "following traditional methods, and collected and shipped throughout the world" to "using traditional methods, before they are collected and shipped throughout the world." The external site reflects that modification, too.
- I cannot explain why this document is dated May 2007, but I do not believe that our editors copied content from that document. They would have had to have done so incrementally over years, first getting it wrong and then gradually bringing it back towards the source. It is far more likely that, date notwithstanding, they copied from us. What I would do there (and will do) is apply {{backwardscopy}} to the article talk page, because we should require more evidence before removing that content.
- Looking at Rize, I am a little more suspicious of backwards copying from the outset, because I often find them in travel sites, regardless of the country being discussed. I don't see any evidence of huge chunks of text popping in, so I'll look for "snowfall is quite common". It was added in January 2010 by somebody in Adana, Turkey. There looks to have been a lot of work going on around climate at the time. I note that in the external site and in the present article, the "snowfall is quite common" bit appears in the second sentence, right before the sentence that begins "Rize and the eastern part of the Black Sea coast...." In January 2010, it was the 4th sentence. The sentence that follows it now was first. I also see that the sentence beginning "The water temperature like in the whole Turkish..." was already in the article, and it also appears in the source. Looking back, that sentence had been added as a single piece five days earlier, by someone in Manchester - who had quite an interest in climate. Again, far more likely that they copied from us once the content evolved than that multiple people copied piecemeal and broken from them and then slowly reassembled it. :) I will apply {{backwardscopy}} to that article's talk page as well.
- Basically, this highlights my approach to articles from Turkey that seem to be copyright problems. I try to approach it with a completely open mind and look, case by case, to see who is copying whom. In my experience, it can easily go either way, even when your sources are printed by a reputable publisher. If you find what looks like copied content and you have time, you do a great service to Misplaced Pages to establish which way the copying goes so we can either avoid removal of what we need to lose or remove what we do. Importantly, we need to inform users who place this content of our policies. I believe that few of them mean any harm, and many of them will correct their behavior going forward once they understand that they cannot copy or closely paraphrase from copyrighted sources. I occasionally encounter from all over the world the mistaken belief that "public information" is "public domain" - this ranges from certainty that all material on any governmental website anywhere in the world is not copyrighted to the belief that anything printed in public on the web is free for taking. If we see a pattern of prior taking from one user, we need to evaluate to see if a WP:CCI is necessary. Sometimes, we do an immediate block until we're sure the contributor understands and will comply, especially if they have been notified of copyright policies before. Sometimes we keep an eye on them to see if problems persist.
- This is a difficult area, and I really appreciate your being conscious of the issue. I keep an eye out especially for large chunks of either (a) especially fluid prose or (b) unevent prose (such as you get when you Frankenstein together content from multiple sources). I wish that there was an easier way to find and address these issues. :/ Our best bet is when we get them fresh, before external sites have a chance to copy them, because then we usually* know which came first.
- Usually opens the whole big can of unattributed copying from other Misplaced Pages articles, which have been mirrored. :) --Moonriddengirl 11:02, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
- Oh, I didn't address what to do if you don't have time. Listing at WP:CP is also a valid approach. Please in that case blank the appropriate section with a link to the source using the template
{{copyvio}}. :)
- FWIW, I found copying from two other sources in the apricot page - information included on the talk page template. I now suspect that whatever date they used that brochure did not exist before 2012. --Moonriddengirl 11:35, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you for your very informative response. What baffles me is the UNDUE weight on the Düzyurt article over the climate. I find it strange. Also, some of the website I have provided are official government websites. I would suspect that government websites do not copy and paste from Misplaced Pages. But hey, you'll never know. Étienne Dolet (talk) 03:08, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
- Hard as it may be to believe, Étienne Dolet, they do. :) I have found Misplaced Pages's content mirrored in national level publications in several countries. So far, not the US, although I have found content mirrored in local level government. I suspect that a lot of people just think Misplaced Pages is public domain. Alas, I don't keep lists of the backwardscopies I find, but there is at least one recently publicized case of an individual US politician taking content from us. :) In terms of the undue focus, that's what happens, I guess, when we get a specialist in a topic area. --Moonriddengirl 13:04, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
A firni for you!
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Zaayka-e-Hindustan
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| Thanks a ton for helping me all these days and thank you so much for deleting all those pages...now I'm just waiting for Maxim's reply. Sending this yummy firni for you. Firni (for more info just click on this link) is a South Asian sweet...kind of a rice pudding...I hope you love it! :D (Note: Zaayka-e-Hindustan literally means the taste of Hindustan) ^_^ Tamravidhir (talk) 15:36, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
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- Thank you. :) --Moonriddengirl 12:57, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
- My pleasure Moonriddengirl! ^_^ --Tamravidhir (talk) 15:29, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
A couple of copyright situation questions
Hi Moonriddengirl! A couple of questions on specific situations I've come across on SCV, if I may run them by you:
- When an internet source is CC-BY-SA and content is used here but not attributed. What's the preferred way to provide that attribution after the fact? We have templates for Britannica, internal copies, and so on, but what to do for a random CC source?
- When a writer uses a long quote in lieu of providing actual content. I see this in video game articles a lot, and usually take the form: "The game publisher describes the plot as this: 'very long direct quote providing content that realistically could have been paraphrased by the writer'. " With no additional content in that section. That seems to me to be mis-using the source to provide content instead of providing context for the content.
Your thoughts are most welcomed, and thanks! Crow 15:47, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
- Hi, user:Crow. :)
- {{CCBYSASource}} is a good template to use in that situation. :)
- Yes, I agree. Usages such as that flag a bit in terms of transformation. This is why WP:NFC notes that text should be used for reason, such as to illustrate a point, establish context, or attribute a point of view or idea. That should be removed and replaced with a proper paraphrase. Typically, I will flag articles of such pages with {{Plot2}}.
- --Moonriddengirl 22:00, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
question
Is it a copyright vio to move content from one article to another? Specifically, when an article gets too big, and subpages can be created, moving content from the old article to the new page is/is not a copy vio? SW3 5DL (talk) 17:15, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
- Hello, SW3 5DL. It is not a copyvio if it is done correctly. :) Content on Misplaced Pages is liberally licensed so that it can be used elsewhere in any context, as long as the terms of the license are met. The process for doing it correctly is explained at Misplaced Pages:Copying within Misplaced Pages. --Moonriddengirl 21:53, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks. Appreciate it. SW3 5DL (talk) 22:28, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi Moonriddengirl
Hello,
we are a group of students from Cornell University editing the page 'Economy of Asia' for a class assignment. We noticed that many information is out of date and we thought it would be helpful to add more recent changes in regional policies. We are eager to hear some feedbacks from you :) Yz567 (talk) 01:40, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
- Hello, Yz567. The article certainly can use some work. :)
- As general feedback, please remember that all content on Misplaced Pages must be verifiable to reliable sources and should be neutral in presentation - we need not only to accurately reflect the perspectives of our sources, but to select those perspectives in "due weight" to what the preponderance of reliable sources say. Unless sources are public domain or compatibly licensed with Misplaced Pages, all information based on them should be written in your own words, with proper paraphrase, except for brief and clearly marked quotations used for good reason. (See Misplaced Pages:Copy-paste and WP:MOSQUOTE.) If the source is public domain or compatibly licensed, content may be copied from the source with or without quotation marks but must be handled in compliance with Misplaced Pages:Plagiarism. If you haven't already, I would recommend reading Misplaced Pages:Student assignments to make sure that your class and your content work are compliant. Good luck to you! --Moonriddengirl 12:56, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
Question, can you release Misplaced Pages contributions into CCO instead of CC BY-SA 3.0
I would prefer the former, but I always thought by clicking that save edit button I was agreeing to "irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the CC BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL". I recently saw this multi-license template and became confused, especially since PD isn't a license and is incompatible with CC BY-SA 3.0. As an aside, am I to understand that since that notice appears on all edits that all edits to talk pages and userpages are released under CC BY-SA 3.0? Apologies for burdening you with these questions, and thank you for any response.AioftheStorm (talk) 03:22, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
- Hi, AioftheStorm. No apologies necessary. :) Yes, everything you put on your talk page or user page is licensed. (That's the easy one; I'm starting there. :D) There are no exceptions for any space to the Terms of Use, and §7.a. is very specific as to license. Multi-licensing is certainly possible; it's the principle that allows you to release your content simultaneously under CC By SA and GFDL. People may choose which license to select for reuse, so theoretically anyone who wishes to release their content on Misplaced Pages under other licenses may do so, so long as it is also available under CC By SA and GFDL. However, I don't know if there is problem in multilicensing with CC0. I have put on my work hat and written to the legal team to ask if feedback can be provided for this question. I have also updated Misplaced Pages:Multi-licensing, which was so far out of date that it indicated that dual licensing was not requested or required on Misplaced Pages. (wince) It may need to be updated further based on the legal team's response. --Moonriddengirl 11:35, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
Is it copyvio, or was Misplaced Pages content copied?
Re: User_talk:Piotrus#Inglehart.E2.80.93Welzel_Cultural_Map_2. Is it our fault, or was our text copied? It's not in the old version of their page at , through perhaps I was not looking in the right place? I'd appreciate an opinion so I know whether I have to just reference or totally rewrite the new stub I started (content picked up by bot was copied directly from World Values Survey). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:14, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
- Hey, Piotrus. :) Will reply at your talk page as per your request. --Moonriddengirl 11:33, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Help needed (I am using the same headline too often)
Hi Moonriddengirl! I'm going to take a Wikibreak from 4 Sep'14 to 10 Sep'14. But I am really sceptical about vandalism in certain articles which are in my watchlist. If you have no problem then, could you please please add the following articles in your watchlist? The articles are:
- Bade Achhe Lagte Hain (My concern - IP address users have a tendency to regularly add double names of characters inspite of hidden notices making the cast section confusing. For instance, the character Ayesha was married twice in this soap opera (but in the same family) and many (many many) Indian women have their husband's name as their middle name. So some add her name as Ayesha Siddhant Kapoor while some add her name as Ayesha Ram Kapoor. So I have written her name as Ayesha Kapoor. Similarly some add double names of various other characters. And I'm just sick and tired of undoing and reverting such edits - I don't know if this could be termed as vandalism...but still could you please watchlist this article)
- Template:Life OK Programmes (as per the consensus achieved the show names should be italicised and the tenplate should be classified on the basis of format, but I fear that User:सुनील मलेठिया may undo all the edits)
- Template:STAR Plus shows (सुनील मलेठिया is continuing to undo the edits and removing the redirect to the above mentioned template)
Please, could you add these to your watchlist? --Tamravidhir (talk) 17:34, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Plagiarism dispatch
Hi MRG, given recent discussions, I'd like to re-run your old "Let's get serious about plagiarism" dispatch from 2009. Would you have any objections? If needed, I'd love for you to make any pertinent updates or changes. Best, Ed 17:38, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Seeking guidance
I still cannot figure out if I am way off, or right on. Will you please tell me what your opinion is regarding this example:
- Source: "We often recorded at night after everyone at the office had left."
- Article: "They usually recorded at night when XL's staff had left".
From my standpoint, the structure is unchanged, and the swapping of "We often" for "They usually" and "everyone at the office" for "XL's staff" fails as an attempt at fair paraphrasing. I think this is plagiarism, but what do you think? Rationalobserver (talk) 18:16, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
- Hi, Rationalobserver. I know you'd really like a clear answer, but I'm afraid I can't give you one - not with a label. :/ I honestly do not involve myself a whole lot in plagiarism, especially not after finding out how much variance there is what people define as plagiarism in our context. We went back and forth over that years ago in getting the guideline promoted, and I don't even know if the current definition is one I'd agree with. Does it still talk about "inadvertent" plagiarism? Even though sources openly discuss it (like this), that was a hot point of contention. Anyway, since plagiarism is a social construct and not a legal code, I'm afraid I'm not comfortable declaring something that's kind of boderline as plagiarism or not plagiarism. It's not a word I often use now that I'm out of academia myself. I focus on copyright. I will say that I think those two sentences are too close in structure. I agree that simple word and phrase substitutions are a pitfall from the paraphrasing standpoint. And if there were a whole bunch of it from a non-free source, I would consider it a problem of close paraphrasing and remove or revise it for fear that we would be appropriating the total concept and feel. --Moonriddengirl 22:10, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
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