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BTW I don't mind a move to "Greater Vancouver" but in North America when you make a "so-and-so in X city" it's implied one is actually talking about ''the wider metropolitan area'' and not strictly the city proper. I.E. you hear somebody say "I'm from Chicago" but when pressed further they are actually from Naperville or some other suburb. Whether this article is called "Indo-Canadians in Greater Vancouver" or "Indo-Canadians in Vancouver", it would be talking about the same thing and most people would realize that. BTW I don't mind a move to "Greater Vancouver" but in North America when you make a "so-and-so in X city" it's implied one is actually talking about ''the wider metropolitan area'' and not strictly the city proper. I.E. you hear somebody say "I'm from Chicago" but when pressed further they are actually from Naperville or some other suburb. Whether this article is called "Indo-Canadians in Greater Vancouver" or "Indo-Canadians in Vancouver", it would be talking about the same thing and most people would realize that.
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:Your speciousness, and your arrogance, in these matters, is breathtaking. I am at least three times your age, an experienced Wikipedian of long-standing, and very knowledgeable about my home province ''which you are NOT''. The distinction between wiki-usages of "Vancouver" vs "Greater Vancouver" (and between "Greater Vancouver" and "Greater Vancouver Regional District" ("Metro Vancouver")] has some up before, which is why "]" is titled as it is, and not "in Greater Vancouver" or "in the Lower Mainland", as prominent locations in the Vancouver film-industry-radius are not in GV nor in the LM. What you as a Texan completely new to this topic - "I assure you that Vancouverites, people from Surrey, etc. would see this article as a welcome thing and likewise those from Victoria, Kamloops, Duncan, etc would see the BC one as welcome too." - is yet more rubbish. Who are you to say? You're a "Young Adult" (codeword for "late teenager") who just discovered this subject and now make pronouncements on it as if you were an expert to the point you can "assure" me of anything. You posted reams of sources that in ''no way shape or form'' you could have written since the 18th (when you started IC in V) or the 20th (when you started IC in BC). Yet the one British Columbian you have heard from you have been dismissive and condescending to. here's the deal, kid - your creation of the POV fork "IC in BC" was clearly ''NOT'' welcome and is an artificial and UNDUE division of the subject of IndoCanadians in BC into two articles; impressive that you could write such vast amounts in less than a week...which leads me to suspect COPYVIO, however.] (]) 04:37, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

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Let's review WP:GNG: "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list."

There are entire books and works that discuss the specific Indo-Canadian diaspora in Vancouver:

We also have precedent from two AFDs:

WhisperToMe (talk) 09:27, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Focus of this article

This should focus specifically in the Greater Vancouver region. Some ideas on what to cover:

  • What is the effect on the politics/culture/cuisine of Vancouver and its suburbs?
  • What neighborhoods and suburbs did the Indo-Canadians settle?
  • What educational programs do the local school districts have?
  • Statistics related to the Greater Vancouver region

The Indo-Canadians in British Columbia article should have the overall province-wide statistics and the information on Indo-Canadians not in Greater Vancouver. It can discuss the culture and history of Indo-Canadians in rural areas such as Skeena. WhisperToMe (talk) 12:58, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

That example is yet another demonstration of your complete ignorance of the subject matter...what do you know about the Skeena Country? Or anywhere else in BC? Zilch, it seems; and it's not like you can't find Census data for anywhere in BC... you haven't even tried have you? I should ahve moved the Greater Vancouver article to this title before you had a chance to dissemble it with half-informed comments about "statistics" you haven't even looked for, or brought up the Skeena...... "rural areas" apparently means to you "anywhere that is not Vancouver"...Quesnel, which is a city, has a significant Indo-Canadian presence. So do Kamloops and Kelowna, both cities; Duncan and Nanaimo, on Vancouver Island, both are cities. Abbotsford, too, is a city, so is Chilliwack. All with Indo-Canadian presence and none are "rural".Skookum1 (talk) 08:01, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

" "rural areas" apparently means to you "anywhere that is not Vancouver"" - You realize these sources are talking about over 100 years ago. Are these places rural now? Maybe not. Were they rural then? Kamala Elizabeth Nayar's pages? Here p. 46: "Although the Sikh community in British Columbia was close-knit and the gurdwaras worked together, over time, the small-town gurdwaras on Vancouver Island actually preferred to be independent from the Vancouver KDS." - Perhaps I'll change it to "small town" but often small town means a rural area. In fact, if you read Nayar she makes it clear that Vancouver is not the only urban area. My next in Indo-Canadians in British Columbia does not say that Vancouver is the only urban area in BC! Nayar says that the Vancouver KDS controlled the urban gurdwaras, but many of those gurdwaras were not in Vancouver. WhisperToMe (talk) 10:14, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

These stubs are not harmful. What is harmful is a hostile attitude that makes other people feel unwelcome. The more you argue, Skookum, and the more you berate me, that's the more of a disservice you are doing to your readers and your community. People don't like negative energy. You criticize me for adding incomplete information, I criticize the belligerent attitude that makes other people not want to edit Misplaced Pages. WhisperToMe (talk) 10:10, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Me berate you?? It was you who ignored my input adn went ahead with wrong titles and wrong contexts, and have lectured me on how to behave by way of not admitting to your errors or apologizing for your ongoing AGF towards me; you provoke me to responses which you deem "anger" and yet taht is classic passive-aggressive behaviour; and here yet again you posit things like "Perhaps I'll change it to "small town" but often small town means a rural area" as if Kamloops or Kelowna or Nanaimo or Prince George or Abbotsford were "small towns" and not the large cities that they are; and yes, the non-KDS temples are not in the City of Vancouver, they are in Surrey, which is part of Greater Vancouver, and 34% of Surrey is Indo-Canadian, which is why I changed your chosen title "in Vancouver" (there's lots of Indians, also, in both cities, i.e. First Nations people, which is why "Asian Indian", which you vociferously defended was not workable, as anyone actually familiar with Canada would know); your presumptiveness here, and on the "German" one about "if no sources are produced I'll file a move request to move it back" is just more arrogant rubbish. NEgative energy doesn't necessarily come in "angry" form, it comes in persistent stubbornness and "shooting hte messenger", which you are doing from day one; the backside of the Air India bombing you first stumped about was already on the KDS page and on the Air India page; once again, you want to reinvent the wheel so you can write a new title, without doing any research first or heeding advice from informed locals; and you presume to tell me t o read sources that you have since found, as if this subject were my only time-demand and as if I hadn't pointed you at sources who could fill in the obvious ignorance you started out with. Now you're presuming to backtrack away from your comment about "rural" as apposite to Vancouver, and style major provincial cities as "small towns" and "perhaps" you'll change your wording once you learn something. Don't tell me to go read about the subject matter; I grew up around it. One thing that does discourage people from editing Misplaced Pages is teh "arrogant ignorance" of many its dieahrds, particularly those who have learned to "game it" as admins and hide your aggressive ignorance with quasi-polite posturing while being completely patronizing. Talking softly while touting twaddle and dressing down those who criticize them. Yet here you go, barging on with topics that you've only just found out about, without even knowing about the existing articles that already had the correct titles/terminology in use, and more content already than you have yet even begun to fathom a tiny amount of. Yet presume to lecture me, and display AGF over and over and over again so as to not admit that you were wrong. You have now created a parallel article to this one about the whole of BC, instead of recognizing that all of BC can NOT be separated from Greater Vancouver, especially in this case.... I'm not going to explain "especially" to you since I have no more time to explain the obvious to someone who hasn't even dabbled more than his toes in Canadian geography or Indo-Canadian history. And, knowing that there was possibility I could move this to "in British Columbia" you aggressively made that title to prevent that happening; without realizing or caring that they are inseparable topics, as also with the German-speaking/ancestry folks and any others; "perhaps" you'll learn that you're shooting your mouth off about stuff you don't know anything about and "perhaps" you'll realize that it's your conduct that has me criticizing you for being off-base and, yes, ignorant of the material and apparently determinedly so. Go read your own sources, now you've finally found them.Skookum1 (talk) 12:07, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Hopefully it becomes clear why I did what I did. Trying to fit all of this specific information into Indo-Canadians in British Columbia would put too much Misplaced Pages:Undue weight towards Vancouver/Surrey into that article. The two topics: Indo-Canadians in BC and Indo-Canadians in Vacnovuer, are closely related but distinct. I assure you that Vancouverites, people from Surrey, etc. would see this article as a welcome thing and likewise those from Victoria, Kamloops, Duncan, etc would see the BC one as welcome too.

BTW I don't mind a move to "Greater Vancouver" but in North America when you make a "so-and-so in X city" it's implied one is actually talking about the wider metropolitan area and not strictly the city proper. I.E. you hear somebody say "I'm from Chicago" but when pressed further they are actually from Naperville or some other suburb. Whether this article is called "Indo-Canadians in Greater Vancouver" or "Indo-Canadians in Vancouver", it would be talking about the same thing and most people would realize that. WhisperToMe (talk) 04:06, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Your speciousness, and your arrogance, in these matters, is breathtaking. I am at least three times your age, an experienced Wikipedian of long-standing, and very knowledgeable about my home province which you are NOT. The distinction between wiki-usages of "Vancouver" vs "Greater Vancouver" (and between "Greater Vancouver" and "Greater Vancouver Regional District" ("Metro Vancouver")] has some up before, which is why "List of filming locations in the Vancouver area" is titled as it is, and not "in Greater Vancouver" or "in the Lower Mainland", as prominent locations in the Vancouver film-industry-radius are not in GV nor in the LM. What you as a Texan completely new to this topic - "I assure you that Vancouverites, people from Surrey, etc. would see this article as a welcome thing and likewise those from Victoria, Kamloops, Duncan, etc would see the BC one as welcome too." - is yet more rubbish. Who are you to say? You're a "Young Adult" (codeword for "late teenager") who just discovered this subject and now make pronouncements on it as if you were an expert to the point you can "assure" me of anything. You posted reams of sources that in no way shape or form you could have written since the 18th (when you started IC in V) or the 20th (when you started IC in BC). Yet the one British Columbian you have heard from you have been dismissive and condescending to. here's the deal, kid - your creation of the POV fork "IC in BC" was clearly NOT welcome and is an artificial and UNDUE division of the subject of IndoCanadians in BC into two articles; impressive that you could write such vast amounts in less than a week...which leads me to suspect COPYVIO, however.Skookum1 (talk) 04:37, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
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