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• Swedish submarine incidents
  • NATO intercepts Russian jets over the Baltic Sea while Sweden's six-day search for a possibly damaged Russian Navy submarine continues. (AP via Daily Telegraph) (Europe Online Magazine)
  • Rear Admiral Anders Grenstad, while pointing out that Sweden's military operation is focused on gathering intelligence on a suspected foreign submarine in its waters, stated that military force could be used to make it surface. (BBC)
• 2014 shootings at Parliament Hill, Ottawa
  • A gunman shoots a Canadian Forces soldier outside the Canadian National War Memorial, with the gunman later reported dead inside the Canadian Parliament buildings. The incident came hours after Canada raised its terror threat level from low to medium following Monday's fatal hit-and-run attack on two soldiers in Quebec. (CBC) (BBC), (CNN) (AFP via Yahoo News) (Guardian)
• Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant
  • The Syrian Air Force claims to have shot down two of the three fighter jets operated by ISIL in northern Syria. (Reuters via Times of India)

• Ebola virus disease in the United States
  • The United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announces that there will be a 21-day monitoring period for all travelers from Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea. (Fox News)

• Blackwater Baghdad shootings
  • A court convicts four former employees of Blackwater Worldwide on charges related to the 2007 killing of 14 unarmed Iraqis by firing machine guns in a Baghdad traffic circle. (Washington Post)
• In Washington, D. C., Secret Service agents apprehend a White House north fence jumper. (ABC News America)

• In Major League Baseball, the Kansas City Royals defeat the San Francisco Giants 7–2 at KC's Kauffman Stadium in Game 2 of the 2014 World Series, evening the series at 1–1. (AP)

Misplaced Pages Monument

• Nominated by Kpalion (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Another Believer (talk · give credit), Pigsonthewing (talk · give credit) and Peaceray (talk · give credit)

• Oppose navel gazing. – Muboshgu (talk) 13:00, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Blackwater Baghdad shootings

• Nominated by Jinkinson (talk · give credit)

• To be clear, unless one of these four guards was a notable athlete or celebrity, that comparison is apples and oranges. 331dot (talk) 18:17, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

support per nom ';precedenceLihaas (talk) 18:59, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

@Lihaas: What 'precedence'? We deal with each event on its own merits, and this is very different than the Pistorius case. Might be notable, but still different. 331dot (talk) 19:03, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Support Well covered worldwide, article in decent shape, and the right time to post (at the verdict). --MASEM (t) 19:09, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

• Support - right time to post and the article is ITN ready as in a decent shape.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:41, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
• No-one's going to point out that the article and the source given both say that only one guard was convicted of first-degree murder, not four as the blurb says? Oh well, guess I'll have to point that out, then. Bencherlite 21:32, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

  I've put in an altblurb which fixes this problem. --Jayron32 01:27, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

• Support Pretty significant. Mattsnow81 (Talk) 10:25, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

2014 Canadian Parliament Hill attack

• Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Natural RX (talk · give credit)

• This could be notable, but it might need to shake out a little first, let the "breaking news" aspect die down a tad. 331dot (talk) 15:34, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Yeah, I'd want to make sure its posted with proper details, but I think regardless of outcome it is ITN. Eg: how many shooters, is this related to the ISIL threat that Canada had recieved, etc. Things are still happening as best I can tell. --MASEM (t) 15:36, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

• Support.
  • Alt blurbs:
    • Shootings are reported on and outside of the Canadian Parliament Hill.
    • A Canadian Forces soldier is shot at the Canadian National War Memorial in Ottawa, Canada.

Further justification: This is a domestic terror attack against military personnel, and threatened federal government politicians.

--Natural R_X 16:15, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

• Support Big terrorist attack, regardless of the justification. It's an attack on the parliament building in the capital of a major country in the world. I believe this is unprecedented in Canada. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 17:16, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

• Where has this been phrased as a "terrorist attack"? 331dot (talk) 17:40, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

• While no one has yet 100% affirmed this as a terrorist act, it comes exactly one day after two Canadian soldiers were run over by a car driven by ISIL agents, and subsequently caused Canada to raise its terrorist threat level due to other credible threats. Needless to say, this nearness of events is not going unnoticed by the press even if it is speculation for now. --MASEM (t) 19:06, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

• Ahh, sorry Masem, but you are inadvertently pushing FUD here. The terror level was actually raised last week, before either incident, and the guy in Quebec wasn't an "ISIL agent" - officials have said only that he was "self-radicalized". Though you are right that the timing of the two incidents is causing media to speculate links. Resolute 19:21, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

• Support, this is the sort of thing that would be more par for the course south of the border, so it's got the "man bites dog" thing going on. Daniel Case (talk) 17:32, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose unless more develops, lone armed man killed needs more meat to make a platter. μηδείς (talk) 17:52, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
  • In context that is an appallingly insensitive verbal image. Please think these things through before you type. Newyorkbrad (talk) 18:22, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
    • At the time I wrote that comment the only news was that the soldier's shooter was dead, and that they weren't sure if their might be other shooters. Are you suggesting that I was insensitive to the shooter, or advocating cannibalism? I don't expect you to know it, so I will refrain from telling you to stick your in your, but my boyfriend was shot to death in a car jacking, and I won't even describe what I went through as a NY'er on 9/11, so please keep your concern for my "if it bleeds it leads" comment to yourself. μηδείς (talk) 00:22, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
      • I am terribly sorry about the loss of your boyfriend. I too was in New York on September 11. My comment does not have to be personalized. I simply, and I hope uncontroversially, ask that we not use the word "meat" in reference to a human body. Newyorkbrad (talk) 03:09, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
• Support An attack on Parliament should have more than enough "meat" for any reasonable person. Resolute 18:12, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
• Support this is not normal for Canada. Regardless of number of deaths its clearly a directed attack at military personnel and the Canadian parliament. Prime Minister Harper was awfully close by when this happened as well. This will be significant news around the world -- Ashish-g55 18:25, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
• Support - terrorist attack. should be posted soon,--BabbaQ (talk) 18:30, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

@BabbaQ: Where has this been characterized as a "terrorist attack"? 331dot (talk) 18:32, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

• Support A major terrorist incident that is getting international coverage. In the UK this was the main news story on tonight's news. This is Paul (talk) 18:40, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
• Wait we still don't have a clear picture of what is going on here and there's no point in rushing something to the main page until we do. I agree, it's not "normal" for Canada, I agree, it's shocking and headline news, but the news outlets seem nearly as clueless as we do. We can post it when we have a better idea of the bigger picture. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:56, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

• It should be noted that Lihaas' strong oppose vote is quite valid, regardless our opinion of the off-topicality of the comment that followed it. μηδείς (talk) 00:40, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
• Strong support: A Canadian soldier on guard duty has been killed, and the shooting has already had a ripple effect with increased security in other national capitals.    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 19:18, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
• Support. per above. Major attack with coverage all around the world. I was surprised to see it in Lat. Am. media so early in the day. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 19:20, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
• Wait Per The Rambling Man, insufficient detail to make a useful blurb beyond stating the very most obvious (that a shooting occurred). I don't imagine we'll have to wait too long. Once information is more available, I would likely support regardless of motive, since it carries implications of an attack on a government due to location. - OldManNeptune ⚓ 19:26, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

• Comment. I think this might be a case where the article could be posted on the assumption it will be updated, per the ITN page. 331dot (talk) 19:23, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

• I partially agree, but waiting for a few more details will not be harmful either. At this point, the best we could say in an ITN blurb would be that a soldier is dead and that an attacker traded gunfire inside Parliament - which may be worthy of posting now, but an hour or two might yield more concrete information. Resolute 19:31, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

• I would agree on waiting just a bit. Make sure the situation has settled to a degree so that we can get accurate "basics" right. (Example, there was a third location listed before but that's been proven a misstatement by the police). Probably a few hrs will be good. --MASEM (t) 19:35, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

• Wait It's still unclear what happened. If this was just a random lunatic shooting one person, that's very different from an organized terrorist attack. We need to wait for the basic facts to become known. Jehochman 20:03, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Should be ready soon The situation has not changed for a few hours now, the article has been extensively edited and sourced. While there is some disagreement on the talk page about the article's title, there is a 'Reactions' section being populated, and the structure is otherwise quite good for a young article. --Natural R_X 20:37, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
    • Since the title won't be included in the hook, how desperate is it that we wait? The name seems to be generally stable. Most either support the current name, or suggest that a final name can't be decided until a few days from now, once the media comes to an agreement. May we post? -- Zanimum (talk) 22:30, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
• Continue Waiting This appears to be a shooting by a lone nutjob. Also, the current blurb isn't suitable. Did we post the loon who jumped the White House fence? Do we post every time a loon shoots one or two people? Jehochman 23:13, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
• Wait until confirmed as an act by an organized group. If it was a lone wolf attack, then don't post. Abductive (reasoning) 23:45, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

I dont understand rationale behind waiting if its single gunman. Large portion of city has been in lockdown and its been covered all day worldwide, literally. The article looks good as well. It actually is starting to look odd not seeing it on ITN by now. -- Ashish-g55 23:52, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

I also do not understand waiting. In the U.S., all of the news channels have been reporting on it nonstop for hours. It's not only the biggest news story they are covering, it's the only story.    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 23:59, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Slow news day... Abductive (reasoning) 06:32, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

• I am curious whether we even had a nomination for last year's shooting by police of a the woman who drove into a barrier at the White House or the knife-wielding man who just made it over the fence into family's quarters, or the rifleman who shot a bullet into the quarters 11 Nov 2011?. Beyond the moral preening at this point we seem to have one islamist convert who has assassinated a soldier. This is not Canada versus the US. It's an ideology of murder versus London, Madrid, New York, Ottawa.... μηδείς (talk) 00:32, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
  • The likely reason this story is HUGE (compared to those other two , which had wide national coverage but not wide international) is that with Canada announcing their support of strikes against ISIL and the events of yesterday, the press are widely speculating possible connections to Canada's actions and these "responses" (if they are that). But as others have said, in those event, the sole of the White House was effected; here, the core of the entire Canadian Parliment was shut down as well as around 10,000s of citizens living/working in that part of download Ottawa. --MASEM (t) 00:45, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
• Support I was on the fence at first, but three things swayed me: 1) Part of this took place in one of the Parliament buildings. How often does this kind of thing happen in a major legislative building in a national capital? 2) This is getting massive media attention all over the world and has been commented on by major world leaders. and 3) A big part of downtown Ottawa was put on lockdown for a long time. So you have a large city (and national capital) where an important part of the city was shut down, and in some cases it's still ongoing. It just slips through, but I think it passes. People have been comparing it to the White House invasion. I'd compare it more to the Boston Marathon bombing, and I think that was in ITN. -- Scorpion 00:49, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
• Support. An attack like this on a parliament building is quite extraordinary, and will likely be remembered in Canada for many years to come. I'll confess, I happened to catch it on ABC News (which the BC News Channel broadcasts to fill space at stupid o'clock in the morning) and my first thought was "oh, another shooting spree in America", but when I realised it was Canada, where this sort of thing is about as common as rocking horse droppings, and the parliament building, I was genuinely shocked. This would be extraordinary in Westminster (not least because we don't allow any loony to walk into a supermarket and walk out with a firearm in the UK) and even on Capitol Hill, but it is all the more so in Ottawa. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:08, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

• Comment I have provided an alt blurb that describes the events as completed. The only thing that remains an issue is if this was a ISIL-related incident but that's not something that should block the blurb posting (eg we can change that later if it does turn out to be true). --MASEM (t) 00:59, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

• As far as wording the blurb goes, the Canadian PM is on recording calling this a "terrorist attack": . --Jayron32 01:01, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Politicians aren't police investigators. Abductive (reasoning) 06:28, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
  • For short term posting, leaving out the terrorist attack part might be best until it's well established. I know the shooter has very questionable ties, but that doesn't mean it was directly such an attack. If while this is posted and its confirmed it was one, we can change the blurb. --MASEM (t) 04:49, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

• Support — I'm Canadian, and this is a massive news story up here. Canada is a very powerful country within the international community, and a relatively peaceful nation. An attack on the Parliament in Ottawa is significant, even if it was just a lone gunman acting on his own agenda. Kurtis 01:49, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
• Strong support Hugely important and confusion over events of shooting seem to have died down. -- -- Patar knight - /_{contributions} 02:11, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

• Updating my opinion to support, the blurb says what is known and while I might have hoped we'd see even more information than what we have now, the lockdown of Parliament is a significant event. - OldManNeptune ⚓ 05:22, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
• Support Attack on a parliament is surely notable...but Lihaas votecomment is true many a times.....ƬheStrikeΣagle 06:04, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Comment: PM Stephen Harper has called it a "terrorist attack". Check the article itself for details. In general, the event is notable because it was a direct shooting and attempt to attack members of Parliament, not because of the amount of casualties. This is unusual for Western nations. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 07:06, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose It's unusual for a shooting to happen at a national parliament, but otherwise there is really nothing unique about this event. Lone acts of violence perpetrated by Muslim fundamentalists are sadly common in this day and age. Unless those acts of violence lead to catastrophic consequences (i.e. the September 11 attacks, Beslan, Mumbai, the In Amenas hostage crisis, etc.) they aren't notable or unique enough to be posted on ITN. -- Tocino 07:38, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
  • You mean "aside from the one thing that makes it extraordinary, it's not extraordinary at all"? ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:30, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

• Wait The conspiracy theories are yet uninvented. (joke, it seems ready to post) Mattsnow81 (Talk) 08:28, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Ben Bradlee

• Nominated by Andise1 (talk · give credit)

• Support. Would seem to meet DC2 and the latter part of DC1(had a significant contribution/impact on the country/region) given his publishing of the Pentagon Papers. 331dot (talk) 01:16, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose. While a player in the events of Watergate, he is not Woodward or Bernstein, the ones that broke it. And while an editor of a major paper, I would not really call that the top of the field considering journalism. --MASEM (t) 01:25, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Read his obits. His career wasn't just Watergate. That was the culmination of seven years of work as executive editor building the Post into the closest rival The New York Times has in American newspaper journalism. He persuaded Donald Graham to buy Newsweek, an investment that revitalized that publication and paid off for the Post Company for years. He was, really, the last of a type—the big-city newspaper editor as primal force. We will not see his like again, ever. Daniel Case (talk) 15:26, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

• Support on significance, oppose on quality: First of all: Holy shit, he wasn't dead yet? Second of all: a major historical figure, as a newspaperman, perhaps the best known of his time (the answer and American would give to "Name any Newspaper Editor" if the answer is not a blank stare, the person would answer "Ben Bradlee"). His specific involvement in most of the major Washington DC era journalism of the 1960s and 1970s, as a key historical figure in those news stories, also places him as a highly recognizable name, and therefor worth an RD link for that reason. However, the article has major sourcing problems. The sections "World War II", "Government Work" and "The Washington Post" are entirely unreferenced. For that reason Oppose on quality only. If anyone fixes those referencing problems, consider this vote a full-fledged support without me having to change it. --Jayron32 01:32, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
  • J. Johan Jameson? :) --MASEM (t) 01:43, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
• Support One of 4 people to know the identity of Deep Throat --Johnsemlak (talk) 02:47, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose a minor talking head admired by some with a certain POV, but not an innovator in his field, just a witness on the sidelines of events he did not in any way influence. μηδείς (talk) 03:06, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

See my remarks above. Daniel Case (talk) 15:26, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

• Support a very notable editor, without him, probably no publication documenting the Watergate scandal. --Bruzaholm (talk) 08:41, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
• Support A major figure at one of the world's most influential newspapers. --GroveGuy (talk) 09:17, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
• Comment — Although he was well-known among U.S. journalists of era, the events (that inspired the film) that made Bradlee famous to the American public have receded into history and legend. I'm not convinced he's of sufficient current fame for ITN. (Anyway, most readers will think of Jason Robards.) Sca (talk) 13:23, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

• Current fame is not one of the RD criteria. One doesn't have to be currently famous to be very important to their field, or to have had a significant impact on the nation/region. 331dot (talk) 13:26, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

OK, strike current fame from my comment and make it standing.

Keep in mind, we're talking about Bradlee — not Nixon, Woodstein or Watergate per se. Sca (talk) 13:31, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Watergate "has receded into history and legend"? How many other scandals brought down a President? Why are we still suffixing just about every scandal we can with "-gate"? Daniel Case (talk) 15:26, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

• Support, for all my reasons stated in replies to oppose votes. Daniel Case (talk) 15:26, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
• Support -- Probably one of the bigger players in the field he worked in, as well as a key player in one of the most significant events in recent American history.--Yaksar (let's chat) 16:08, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
• Support -- per this piece in the Guardian, arguing that even more important that his part he played in Watergate were his actions in respect of the Pentagon Papers, publishing the documents in the Washington Post even after the New York Times had been hit with an injunction. The effect was transformative both for his newspaper and for American journalism. Jheald (talk) 17:01, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

I can see I'm in the minority, which makes me feel guilty. So I changed my oppose to a comment.

At the time of Watergate, I was a huge fan of Woodstein (and later, of All the President's Men). It was Woodstein doing the reporting — but perhaps I missed the significance of Bradlee's role.

Run that puppy. Sca (talk) 17:21, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

• Support per Daniel Case. Article has been updated and gaps filled. Newyorkbrad (talk) 18:25, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
• Comment would post this but there are a few citation needed tags, and the Washington Post section (which, after all, is the key thing) is virtually unreferenced. Others may disagree, but I ain't posting this crap. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:03, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
• Support Bradlee is a very noted editor. Because of him, the American people know about Watergate. RIP. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:26, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

October 21

Portal:Current events/2014 October 21

October 21, 2014 (2014-10-21) (Tuesday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks Taliban insurgency A Kabul roadside bomb kills at least four Afghan National Security Force soldiers with six other soldiers and six civilians injured. (AP) International relations Poland's parliamentary speaker, Radoslaw Sikorski, says that Russian President Vladimir Putin proposed to Poland's then leader Donald Tusk in 2008 that they divide Ukraine between themselves. Sikorski later retracted the claim stating he had "mis-remembered". (Reuters via Yahoo News)(Daily Mail) Law and crime A South African court sentences Oscar Pistorius to five years in prison for killing his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp. (Mail and Guardian), (NBC) North Korea releases American Jeffrey Edward Fowle five months after detaining him for leaving a Bible at a hotel. (CNN) Sports In baseball, the 2014 World Series begins with the San Francisco Giants defeating the Kansas City Royals 7–1 in KC's Kauffman Stadium. (AFP via Sports Fan), (AP) (MLB.com) Denis Mukwege wins Sakharov Prize Articles: Denis Mukwege (talk · history · tag) and Sakharov Prize (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ Congolese doctor Denis Mukwege wins the Sakharov Prize for helping victims of gang rape in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. (Post) Alternative blurb: ​ Congolese doctor Denis Mukwege awarded the Sakharov Prize for helping victims of sexual violence in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. News source(s): BBC NYT ITAR TASS Credits: Nominated by The Rambling Man (talk · give credit) Article needs updating One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:12, 22 October 2014 (UTC) Suport pending update. Nergaal (talk) 09:41, 22 October 2014 (UTC) Please update the article. This can't be posted until that's done. Jehochman 13:13, 22 October 2014 (UTC) I see its been update, so now I will post. Jehochman 15:41, 22 October 2014 (UTC) October 20 Portal:Current events/2014 October 20 October 20, 2014 (2014-10-20) (Monday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks 2014 investigation of suspected foreign underwater activity in the Stockholm archipelago: The investigation continues as the Russian Oil-tanker NS Concord maintains its criss-crossing outside Stockholm. (TT via The Local) 2014 Libyan conflict Pro-government forces launch an attack on Islamist militants resulting in 75 deaths in five days. (AFP via Business Standard) Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant Turkey will allow Turkish Kurds to join in the fight against ISIL in Kobane. (BBC) At least 43 Shi'ites are dead in Baghdad and the holy city of Karbala in a wave of suicide and car bombings. (AP) War in Donbass A huge explosion occurs in a rubber factory in the rebel held city of Donetsk with the Russian media claiming it was caused by a missile. The Government of Ukraine denies the charges. (The Independent) Disasters and accidents 2014 Atlantic hurricane season The remnants of Hurricane Gonzalo are due to make landfall in the United Kingdom causing heavy rains and gale force winds. (The Independent) A collision between two buses on the Dhaka-Rajshahi highway leaves at least 30 people dead in northwestern Bangladesh. (AAP via The Australian) The Chief Executive Officer of Total S.A., Christophe de Margerie, dies in a plane crash in Moscow together with three members of the flight crew. (BBC) Politics and elections Joko Widodo is sworn in as President of Indonesia. (BBC) Two members of Prime Minister of Japan Shinzo Abe's cabinet, Trade Minister Yūko Obuchi and Justice Minister Midori Matsushima, resign over a scandal involving alleged misuse of political funds. (AFP via NZ Stuff) RD: Christophe de Margerie Article: Christophe de Margerie (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): BBC Credits: Nominated by Nergaal (talk · give credit) Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:08, 22 October 2014 (UTC) Total's CEO died in rather unusual circumstances; could go full blurb. Nergaal (talk) 21:39, 21 October 2014 (UTC) Can you post the information necessary for the nomination? 331dot (talk) 21:40, 21 October 2014 (UTC) Was gonna nom it but hes not top of his field nevermind the reactionsLihaas (talk) 21:57, 21 October 2014 (UTC) is a source, but I'm not sure about this. Private jet and so causalities limited to a handful (I can't find a full #), and while Total is "big", they aren't "big big" nor is de Margerie a well-known name. --MASEM (t) 21:59, 21 October 2014 (UTC) Reopened: closing this after 20 minutes with as one of the reasons with no support is a bit strange, one would think that some time would be needed to show that there is no support. Further, the claim that Tital isn't "big big" seems to be misguided: they are the 11th largest company worldwide (by revenue, according to Misplaced Pages). They are 11th in the Fortune Global 500, and 25th in the Forbes 2000. Basically, they are very big big, as one of the top 25 companies of the world by most economic rankings. Now, I agree that this nomination is badly formatted, and perhaps no blurb or RD is warranted, but it shouldn't be closed based on "no support" in twenty minute or based on somewhat misguided statements. Note that this is clearly major news worldwide. It's the kind of death where you get (in e.g. the Financial Times or the Wall Street Journal) multiple articles, one about the crash and a separate about reactions or as a full length obituary (e.g. ) or to discuss his successor. He really was at the top of his field, and his death came unexpected of course. Fram (talk) 13:54, 22 October 2014 (UTC) I invite you to provide a proper nomination. 331dot (talk) 13:57, 22 October 2014 (UTC) Comment. I am seeing a lot of news coverage of this (even in my local news) but I'm not clear on which RD criteria he meets. Does he meet DC2? If so, why exactly? 331dot (talk) 14:21, 22 October 2014 (UTC) That's my concern. It is not that Total isn't big, but his influence on the company? He's only been the CEO since ~2007, which isn't much time realistically to establish his presence as a positive influence, and just looking around, I'm not seeing anything that necessarily he was a good or bad CEO, just that he was CEO. The company is successful because of policies in place before his tenure at CEO. Hence the failure of being a leader in the field. --MASEM (t) 14:27, 22 October 2014 (UTC) He got the "Petroleum Executive of the Year Award" for 2009, for what it's worth. And the 2010 "Pilier d'Or" of the French Institute Alliance Française. Fram (talk) 14:36, 22 October 2014 (UTC) The former is a very common "self-congratulating" type of award I see commonly in the engineering/industrial sector. Not that it doesn't have meaning but it is not like a broad industry or business award. The other appears to be due to his efforts to support the arts in France. Neither which I would say elevates him to leader in the field. --MASEM (t) 14:40, 22 October 2014 (UTC) Oscar Pistorius OK, it's not going to happen. Mjroots (talk) 18:14, 21 October 2014 (UTC) The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Article: Oscar Pistorius (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ Athlete Oscar Pistorius (pictured) is sentenced to five years' imprisonment for the culpable homicide of Reeva Steenkamp. (Post) News source(s): BBC Credits: Nominated by Mjroots (talk · give credit) Updated by HelenOnline (talk · give credit) Article updated --Mjroots (talk) 09:16, 21 October 2014 (UTC) Oppose, we already posted the conviction weeks ago. We always post just one story for criminal offences, unles the verdict is overturned (which was not the case here). --Tone 09:19, 21 October 2014 (UTC) I checked Talk:Oscar Pistorius before nominating and there's no sign that it was already on ITN. Apart from which, is there a rule saying an article cannot appear more that once? Mjroots (talk) 09:24, 21 October 2014 (UTC) Oppose per Tone - even though someone didn't update the talk page with the ITN template, the conviction was posted at ITN on September 12 (see Misplaced Pages:Main Page history/2014 September 13 for example) and one ITN posting for what is essentially the same story is enough. There may not be an express rule to that effect but that's the general practice. Bencherlite 09:26, 21 October 2014 (UTC) Oppose. In general we only post the conviction of someone, and I see no reason to do differently here. 331dot (talk) 10:47, 21 October 2014 (UTC) Oppose — If I never hear of this case again, it will be too soon. Sca (talk) 14:12, 21 October 2014 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. RD: Oscar de la Renta Article: Oscar de la Renta (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): ABC News, Variety CNN Credits: Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit) Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Big name fashion designer, so top of that field. RD due to old age, otherwise. --MASEM (t) 02:05, 21 October 2014 (UTC) Would support this on significance, clearly a world-class member of his profession. Oppose on non-existent prose updated. Near as I can tell, as of my writing this, the article's update consists solely of adding a death date. Some prose needs to be added somewhere to the text of the article. We probably don't need a "death" section (I usually don't like those that much) but some prose, a sentence or two, describing his death and any major events or illnesses leading to it, would be expected. Once that is done, consider this a support without my needing make any further comment. --Jayron32 02:21, 21 October 2014 (UTC) BBC notes he was diagnosed with cancer in 2006. Let me add that. --MASEM (t) 02:51, 21 October 2014 (UTC) Looks like someone beat me to it; there's a small section death with sourcing. Could be cleaned up but not an issue for ITN. --MASEM (t) 03:00, 21 October 2014 (UTC) Support as updated sufficiently. Abductive (reasoning) 03:21, 21 October 2014 (UTC) Support upon update. Seems to meet DC2 given his work and news coverage. 331dot (talk) 10:49, 21 October 2014 (UTC) Support DC2 – Muboshgu (talk) 12:12, 21 October 2014 (UTC) Support when updated. Notable internationally as one of the foremost fashion designers of our time. Daniel Case (talk) 16:06, 21 October 2014 (UTC) Article is updated. Abductive (reasoning) 23:14, 21 October 2014 (UTC) Support for RD or for a blurb. He had incomparable talent. R.I.P. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:38, 22 October 2014 (UTC) Posted to RD. --Bongwarrior (talk) 05:49, 22 October 2014 (UTC) RD: Gough Whitlam Article: Gough Whitlam (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): BBC Credits: Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit) Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Former PM of Australia. Clearly RD material, but death by old age otherwise, and not blurb worthy. --MASEM (t) 21:51, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Support. Former head of government would seem to meet DC2. 331dot (talk) 22:04, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Support RD Australian PM speaks for itself. μηδείς (talk) 22:07, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Oppose He hasn't been PM for forty years and his profile has been very low for the past decade. Just a long-ago short-time leader of a mid-ranking country. --Pete (talk) 22:27, 20 October 2014 (UTC) I think the fact that he was an MP of an English speaking former colony of Britain ranks him a little higher than some failed-state dictator of 40 years ago, given this is en.wikipedia μηδείς (talk) 01:16, 21 October 2014 (UTC) (to Pete)He was still a PM. If being PM doesn't make one the top of their field, what does? 331dot (talk) 01:30, 21 October 2014 (UTC) Support RD He was Prime Minister and has been considered a hero in Australia. Either way he was a former head of state. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:55, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Head of government, not state. Bencherlite 23:03, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Support RD article in excellent condition (FFA re-promoted in 2010 and kept up to standard by Wehwalt and others since then) and a leading Australian politician. Not many former heads of government live to the age of 98, of course, so he can perhaps be forgiven for his "very low" profile in recent years. Bencherlite 23:03, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Support. Meets all reasonable criteria. Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:02, 21 October 2014 (UTC) Posted --Jayron32 00:03, 21 October 2014 (UTC) Comment As a note of process, there's talk at TFA about reposting this article as TFA on one of two upcoming relevant dates (the memorial service or an anniversary, both in early November). This should have dropped off RD by then, but just in case, should that TFA suggestion go through, we should remove this before that TFA date. --MASEM (t) 17:43, 21 October 2014 (UTC) Why? Where is that ruling defined? The Rambling Man (talk) 19:09, 21 October 2014 (UTC) I would figure that with other areas of generally only allowing an article to be featured once, or in DYK once, that we should not duplicate articles in different sections of the front page. And in this case, the TFA date will be so far out that the RD part will be a stale story for ITN. If this was happening today (a day after this was posted) I'd likely keep both. --MASEM (t) 19:16, 21 October 2014 (UTC) I believe this is where the supposed "exceptions" are used...??? –HTD 12:14, 22 October 2014 (UTC) October 19 Portal:Current events/2014 October 19 October 19, 2014 (2014-10-19) (Sunday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks 2014 investigation of suspected foreign underwater activity in the Stockholm archipelago: The Swedish National Defence Radio Agency (FRA) reportedly detected radio communication in Russian transmitted on a special frequency used by Russia only in emergency situations from an underwater vehicle in the Stockholm archipelago. (Svenska Dagbladet) The Swedish military releases a photo of the suspected vessel in the archipelago of Stockholm. (Expressen) 2014 Hong Kong protest The Hong Kong Police Force and protesters clash violently in the neighbourhood of Mong Kok. (McClatchy via Washington Post) Religion Pope Francis closes the Third Extraordinary General Assembly of the Synod of Bishops, a preparatory meeting which had as its theme the pastoral challenges to the family, with a Mass at the Vatican—with Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI and about 70,000 in attendance—featuring the beatification of Pope Paul VI, who concluded and implemented Vatican Council II and gained fame for writing the still-controversial Humanae Vitae sexual ethics encyclical. (MSN/Associated Press) Science A working human intestine is generated in a laboratory from induced pluripotent stem cells in the United States. (AAP via The Australian) Oort cloud Comet Siding Spring makes a close fly-by the planet Mars passing within 140,000 kilometres. (ABC) Origins of sex Consensus says no. Bencherlite 15:44, 22 October 2014 (UTC) The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Article: Penetrative sex (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ Scientists at Flinders University discover the origins of sex. (Post) News source(s): Nature Sydney Morning Herald Al Jazeera ABC Health Canal Credits: Nominated by Andise1 (talk · give credit) Article needs updatingNominator's comments: Not sure how notable this is but I decided to nominate it to see. Andise1 (talk) 06:34, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Comment. Not origin of sexual reproduction, first instance of penetrative sex. They named it Microbrachius dicki, get it? Abductive (reasoning) 07:31, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Oops, that's what I meant. I was having difficulty deciding on what article should be linked, but that is what I intended to link to. I changed the target article. Andise1 (talk) 08:02, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Oppose, target article isn't good enough quality and doesn't seem to explain the news at all. Jehochman 11:39, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Oppose this is not the origin of sexual intercourse, insects and molluscs have penises, and look at how barnacles do it. It's just the earliest evidence for it in a certain type of extinct fish. μηδείς (talk) 15:40, 20 October 2014 (UTC) If I've understood the reports correctly, this is the earliest evidence of penetrative sex in any sort of fish but your general point stands. Thryduulf (talk) 00:59, 21 October 2014 (UTC) Yes, that was my point. I don't follow sports and I do love biology, but I think Peyton outranks the placoderm here. This is a question of convergent evolution, and penes are quite common among animals of all types. Do not look up bedbug sex! μηδείς (talk) 01:19, 21 October 2014 (UTC) Oppose When stripped of a clickbait-ish blurb like "scientists discover origin of sex" and given one that accurately states what was apparently learned, this is interesting but not front page science. I also highly question the choice of Penetrative sex as the linked article rather than Fertilization. - OldManNeptune ⚓ 19:22, 21 October 2014 (UTC) Oppose- Feels more like an April Fool's blurb, clickbait-ish as OMN described. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 00:26, 22 October 2014 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Peyton Manning touchdown record Articles: Peyton Manning (talk · history · tag) and List of National Football League passing touchdowns leaders (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ In American football, quarterback Peyton Manning throws his 509th career touchdown pass, a National Football League record. (Post) News source(s): USA Today BBC Sydney Morning Herald Irish Times Credits: Nominated by Bongwarrior (talk · give credit) Updated by Lihaas (talk · give credit) Nominator's comments: We do post sporting records from time to time, and this is a significant one. ----Bongwarrior (talk) 02:07, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Support one of the most significant records in the sport Secret 02:10, 20 October 2014 (UTC) An impressive record to be sure, and I am a HUGE NFL fan. But I oppose posting this record at this time. Posting records should be reserved for the sort of "unbreakable" records that happen once in a generation (I.E. Miggy Cabrera's Triple Crown a few years back, or someone breaking Ripken's consecutive games streak, or Dimaggio's hitting streak). The Passing TD record falls about every decade years or so, and it doesn't have the iconic sort of status as other records. Indeed, if we posted every record of this stature we'd post probably one per season. It's awesome, and I'm happy for Manning, but I don't see this as ITN worthy, given the other sports stories we usually post. --Jayron32 02:14, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Torn on this. Jayron has the right point, but it does seem, looking at the current full roster of NFL players, this record is definitely not going to be further broken this season (beyond him adding more TDs to it), and won't be broken for a few more seasons at least from what I can tell. Even if it is surpassed in a decade, in the sense of ITN, that's long enough to make this a unique enough event here for ITN posting. --MASEM (t) 02:22, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Just to clarify: It isn't that the Passing TD record gets broken every season. It's that some equivalent career record (passing yards, rushing TD, rushing yards, rushing TDs, return yards, return TDs, receiving yards, etc. etc. you get the idea) gets broken about once every season. Again, it's a great accomplishment, but outside of NFL fans, it isn't the sort of once-in-a-lifetime record that gets much note except for a day or two. Manning will be remembered in general for his stellar play, but this singular record will not be something he's forever known for, like some of the iconic "never gonna be broken" records that ARE out there. --Jayron32 11:59, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Yeah, but when it comes to NFL this is the most prestigious one, me thinks. Nergaal (talk) 14:50, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Support. Major record in a major sport. Record likely won't be broken for many years (see this if you really feel like extrapolating the numbers ). -- Calidum 02:27, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Support. I am unconvinced by User:Jayron32's argument that posting one such thing per season per sport is bad. I say it's good for ITN. Abductive (reasoning) 03:16, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Oppose- I am of the opinion that records should only be posted for global sports like football and athletics, unless it is clearly the premier record in the sport. An example would be the home run record in baseball, which has far more prestige than this record. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 03:42, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Arguably due to the number of different positions, what would be the premiere record for American football is not clear, but that said, clearly touchdowns completed as a metric of QB performance is pretty much the top record - if we were talking, say, a running back, yards run would be that one. --MASEM (t) 03:47, 20 October 2014 (UTC) You support my point- there is no obvious prestigious American football record. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 04:55, 20 October 2014 (UTC) What a "prestigious record" is is a matter of opinion. Football having varied positions should not disqualify it from having a notable record posted. What matters for ITN is the news coverage this is getting, which is significant and not limited to the US. 331dot (talk) 12:07, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Oppose more of a factoid, e.g. ideal for DYK as opposed to In The News. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:09, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Unlike Neil Robertson becoming the first snooker player to score 100 century breaks in a single season, thereby setting a new record for the 39th time that season -- the fourth consecutive season in which the record was broken? As far as I can tell, the significance was that "100" is a round number, which seems firmly in "factoid" territory. "509" doesn't have the same ring to it, but someone else actually reached 508 (the previous record) before his retirement. 24.0.222.22 (talk) 09:25, 20 October 2014 (UTC) That's right. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:51, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Please elaborate. 24.0.222.22 (talk) 15:55, 20 October 2014 (UTC) American football is too American for the tastes of some. Resolute 18:50, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Not sure whose comment is addressed at whom here. In any case, the idea of cherry-picking a particular factoid from American football in an attempt to make it "newsworthy" is not my idea of something that would equate to Nobel prizes or similar. I imagine that there exists a "number of rushing yards" record holder and a "number of receiving yards" record holder and a number of "first downs in a season" record holder and a "number of field goals" record holder and a "number of interceptions" record holder and a "number of fumbles" record holder and a "number of other jargon" record holder? An attempt to compare it to a sport where scoring a century guarantees a win and scoring points is the only parameter is a little pathetic. But hey, this is American Misplaced Pages so no surprise. I guess we'll post this every time he breaks the NFL record, and set the precedent for all the other "prestigious" records in NFL. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:57, 20 October 2014 (UTC) I'm American, but I don't follow this sport (or most sports). I certainly don't consider this the "American Misplaced Pages" or believe that American topics deserve special treatment. As for "something that would equate to Nobel prizes or similar," I drew no such comparison. And the comparison that I made didn't equate the records themselves. My point was that you supported an item that had nothing whatsoever to do with any record changing hands. Neil Robertson became the record holder when he scored 62 century breaks in a season. Despite the fact that it was the fourth consecutive season in which the record was broken, maybe that achievement warranted a posting. But that isn't what it was about. It was about Robertson beating his own record for the 38th time. If we take your sarcastic "I guess we'll post this every time he breaks the NFL record" remark and constrain it to numbers that emotionally seem extra-special in a decimal numeral system, that's essentially what occurred in the earlier case. But I'm not even criticizing that decision. Maybe the number "100" had special cultural significance among snooker enthusiasts as an anticipated milestone. I'm in no position to assume otherwise. But that seems like a textbook example of "a factoid" (or "random stats fun for fans," as Fgf10 put it). So I find it rather odd that you now oppose the Manning item for that reason. You refer to "cherry-picking" the info "in an attempt to make it newsworthy," but I only know about it because it's been in the news. And others are saying that it's even being widely reported in other countries. This tells me that it's considered a noteworthy achievement in the context of its sport (and for the same reason, I assume that the "century of centuries" was as well). How can any of us gauge the cultural significance of something from someone else's culture? Certainly not through our own lenses. 24.0.222.22 (talk) 21:32, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Thanks for the essay! The Rambling Man (talk) 06:56, 21 October 2014 (UTC) Not "in the news" in the UK, for some reason. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:45, 21 October 2014 (UTC) unless you count the "SPORT: AMERICAN FOOTBALL" page as "the news"? The BBC might disagree. 331dot (talk) 19:50, 21 October 2014 (UTC) What does any of this have to do with the essay above and my oppose? The Rambling Man (talk) 19:55, 21 October 2014 (UTC) "... I only know about it because it's been in the news." Martinevans123 (talk) 19:59, 21 October 2014 (UTC) or not. Oppose Randoms stats fun for fans, but not news. As the above said, perfect for DYK, not ITN Fgf10 (talk) 07:02, 20 October 2014 (UTC) I see that you supported the Neil Robertson item too. How is Peyton Manning's achievement a "random stat," while a sportsman hitting an arbitrary round number by extending his own record for the 38th time (after others broke the record during the three previous seasons) isn't? 24.0.222.22 (talk) 09:25, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Weak support it seems to me that this is the second person to hold the record since 1999. I would strongly suggest to change the blurb to something less factoid-like along the lines In American football, quarterback Peyton Manning becomes the passing touchdown leader. Nergaal (talk) 12:01, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Please link to three or four of the best news sources. To qualify, you need to show that this event has been reported in major media outlets in multiple countries. Jehochman 12:04, 20 October 2014 (UTC) In this case, there is such coverage, but there is no policy which states coverage in several countries is required. It certainly helps, but is not required. 331dot (talk) 12:10, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Support given coverage in other countries, which might lead people to want to learn about Manning and/or the record. Record is one of the most notable in football. Also see my comment above. 331dot (talk) 12:07, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Support based on international reporting of an American sport. This is an indication of importance. Jehochman 14:38, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Weak Oppose - Although I would love to have this stat posted, we did not post Lionel Messi's world record for most goals in a calendar year. Therefore, per precedence, this cannot be posted.--WaltCip (talk) 14:41, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Not posting a certain story doesn't itself mean this one shouldn't be posted. Each story should be judged on its own merits, as consensus can change. Precedence only really comes into play for ITNR stories(and even then they aren't always posted, typically due to quality) 331dot (talk) 14:47, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Putting aside the fact that Misplaced Pages operates on consensus, not precedent, you are trying to compare a single-season record to an all-time record. Your argument would have been stronger if we were discussing a single-season touchdown record. Resolute 18:50, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Support per Calidum. A major record in a major sport unlikely to be broken any time soon. Opposes based on "only NFL fans" directly contradict the rule against opposes on regionality. μηδείς (talk) 15:47, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Support in principle a major career record, not a season's record; one of the leading nine sports stories on my (UK-based) BBC news mobile app this morning. A few "citation needed" tags but nothing that can't be fixed by someone with the relevant interests. Bencherlite 18:45, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Oppose Too sports statish. Are supposed to re-post again in a week when he gets another? And again the week after that? That's one of the problems with essentially arbitrary records such as this - the other would be that they are fundamentally difficult to compare without reference to the length of career, position played, number of injuries, effectiveness of the rest of the team (and how much they favour a player) and 101 other reasons over and above the skill of the individual with the record. Justin Urquhart Stewart (talk) 03:01, 21 October 2014 (UTC) That's honestly one of the dumbest arguments I've seen. If you don't like football, just say it. But please don't post such a BS argument. -- Calidum 03:45, 21 October 2014 (UTC) "Lame" without any reasoning carries zero weight around here. "BS", again lacking any justification or evidence similarly has no clout. Claiming to know what I think is laughable when I can disprove you with two words - "You're wrong". So precisely where are the lame, bullshit arguments coming from here? Justin Urquhart Stewart (talk) 06:39, 21 October 2014 (UTC) Oppose I think we should be sparing in posting these sort of records. I find Jayron32's point about the frequency of this record being broken convincing. Neljack (talk) 03:40, 21 October 2014 (UTC) Support Peyton's touchdown record is probably the most prestigious individual statistics record in the sport, and I say that as a Pats fan. The record won't be broken for a very long time. --Tocino 13:54, 21 October 2014 (UTC) Marked Ready I am no fan of Manning or any team he's played for, and I usually oppose most sports noms. But there is good consensus to post this, the record number of touchdowns is objective and as clear as runs in Baseball, the article has been updated by 1,600 bytes, and all citation needed tags have been addressed. μηδείς (talk) 01:24, 22 October 2014 (UTC) Oppose as per Fgf10. A noteworthy record I imagine, if you follow this sport, but not generally newsworthy, certainly not globally. So "Good consensus" ignores all the opposes? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:12, 22 October 2014 (UTC) "Certainly not globally (newsworthy)" ... the links posted in the submission that are from Ireland, Great Britain, and Australia would suggest otherwise. Here's a few more global links, including Japan: , Germany: Austria: Italy: The Netherlands: New Zealand: , Taiwan: --Tocino 07:17, 23 October 2014 (UTC) "If you follow this sport" and "globally" are explicitly forbidden as reasons to oppose a nomination. Per NFL: Today, the NFL has the highest average attendance (67,591) of any professional sports league in the world and is the most popular sports league in the United States. So yes, this is quite ready, technically and per consensus. μηδείς (talk) 21:34, 22 October 2014 (UTC) Sorry, but I don't see the "good consensus" that you do. Did you miss my reason to oppose? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:07, 23 October 2014 (UTC) Beatification of Pope Paul VI Article: No article specified Blurb: No blurb specified (Post) Beatification of popes is rather rare. Nergaal (talk) 18:35, 19 October 2014 (UTC) Support but needs a bit of cleanup on the article. --MASEM (t) 18:43, 19 October 2014 (UTC) Oppose not offended by this, but think we should wait for actual full sainthood unless something more unusual happen*s. As for soldiers getting medals, let's wait for the top medal for the top soldier. μηδείς (talk) 20:00, 19 October 2014 (UTC) Comment. Is this in the news at all? 331dot (talk) 20:37, 19 October 2014 (UTC) Comment suggest User:Nergaal starts making nominations correctly. This is without blurb, target article, reference, significance etc. So natural strong oppose. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:38, 19 October 2014 (UTC) Oppose what? Me nominating it? If other people really care about the news then somebody will put the energy into doing all the work. What is the point of putting energy into something that has a chance of snowballing one way or the other? Nergaal (talk) 21:41, 19 October 2014 (UTC) No, oppose this proposal in its current form. And please try to make nominations correctly in future. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:06, 19 October 2014 (UTC) Oppose due the lack of evidence this is in the news. Thryduulf (talk) 22:21, 19 October 2014 (UTC) Comment This is certainly in the news, e.g. the following: Jinkinson talk to me 23:44, 19 October 2014 (UTC) Oppose I might support if this were a canonisation, but not for a beatification. Neljack (talk) 01:04, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Oppose. No evidence this is in the news. Not working on the nomination is one thing, but all nominations should have some basic information(news sources, a blurb, target article, etc.). 331dot (talk) 13:12, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Oppose per Neljack - if/when Paul VI becomes a saint, yes, but not for the intermediate stages. Bencherlite 18:47, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Comet C/2013 A1 passes Mars Article: C/2013 A1 (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ TBD (Post) Credits: Nominated by Tone (talk · give credit) Nominator's comments: This is a rare celestial event - a comet will pass very closely to Mars and will be monitored by the probes there. Regretfully, this will apparently not be possible to see from Earth without a decent telescope. --Tone 14:05, 19 October 2014 (UTC) Comment Is this the first known comet observation that will primarily be done by human equipment located on a different body? (Eg have any previous Mars missions included the observation of a comet's passing?) That might make this blurb worthy. --MASEM (t) 14:17, 19 October 2014 (UTC) support - notable for inlcusion.--BabbaQ (talk) 14:24, 19 October 2014 (UTC) Support This is a very rare occurrence that will be of interest to many people. Ariel. (talk) 15:41, 19 October 2014 (UTC) Support. A rare event which will be followed by the probes of different space agencies, making this relevant to many people. 331dot (talk) 20:06, 19 October 2014 (UTC) Would somebody brave please write a hook? Jehochman 20:36, 19 October 2014 (UTC) Posted - I've given it my best effort but please feel free to edit the hook or suggest a better one. The article is in great shape. Jehochman 20:51, 19 October 2014 (UTC) Comet_IRAS–Araki–Alcock's lead is a very good introduction to comet closeness. One too tiny to get an article despite being the recordholder for Earth is number one. This is 13 times closer. #2 was in 1770. #3 was in 1366. #4 was in 837 AD). I can't find if this is the closest non-gas planet flyby, but given those numbers it probably is. Otherwise "C/2013 A1 gets closer to Mars than any other comet approach known, thirteen times closer than the Earth record" seems better than the current blurb. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:00, 19 October 2014 (UTC) Good point. I was following a source that said "very close". We know one comet hit Jupiter. Also I think it is important to say that we have 2 rovers and five satellite probes observing. Jehochman 11:14, 20 October 2014 (UTC) You have a point too. How about Space probes and rovers on Mars observe a comet fly by 13 times closer than the Earth record.? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 23:20, 21 October 2014 (UTC) Nasa's posted some images they'v captured on the flyby - I'd be happy to get these uploaded if this might be a better ITN picture for the moment. --MASEM (t) 23:17, 20 October 2014 (UTC) In fact I've gone ahead and uploaded that for use in the article File:Comet C-2013 A1 Siding Spring flyby from Mars Orbiter.jpg but I'd need to get a more square crop for ITN. --MASEM (t) 23:28, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Weak, moot and rather pointless oppose But how is this really special? It's kind of like the discovery of the ozone hole, made the first year they looked at ozone over the SP with a satellite. It's anticlimactic. But I do like science, so this as as meh as you can get for a post posting oppose. μηδείς (talk) 01:23, 21 October 2014 (UTC) October 18 Portal:Current events/2014 October 18 October 18, 2014 (2014-10-18) (Saturday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks Suspected Ugandan rebels kill more than 20 people near the Democratic Republic of the Congo town of Beni in their second attack in 48 hours. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents Cyclone Hudhud The death toll from the Nepalese avalanche caused by the remnants of Cyclone Hudhud reaches 40. (Xinhua) Days of heavy rainfall in Nicaragua lead to at least 22 deaths including 9 people killed in the capital Managua by a wall collapse. (BBC) Environment A male of critically endangered northern white rhinoceros died in reservation Ol Pejeta in Kenya. It was one of only two known males of the northern subspecies of white rhinoceros capable of natural mating. The Dvůr Králové Zoo said that he was one of seven northern white rhinos left. (ABC), (Sydney Morning Herald) Law and crime A McKeesport, Pennsylvania fire leaves family with a loss of six lives. (WPXI) Last northern white rhinoceros male Article: northern white rhinoceros (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ A male of critically endangered northern white rhinoceros died in reservation Ol Pejeta in Kenya. It was probably the last male of the northern subspecies of white rhinoceros capable of natural mating. (Post) Alternative blurb: ​ A last male of northern white rhinoceros capable of natural mating died in reservation Ol Pejeta in Kenya. There are now just six northern white rhinos left in the world. Credits: Nominated by Jenda H. (talk · give credit) Article needs updatingNominator's comments: The word probably is included because there are some uncleanness if this specie is really extinct in the Wild. Support - an probably extinct species.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:41, 18 October 2014 (UTC) Support and rather disgusting if true. μηδείς (talk) 23:41, 18 October 2014 (UTC) Weak Oppose This doesn't seem to change their classification of endangered-ness. Yes, the last male known, but that's in a controlled area, and this also doesn't negate what science can do. (Irregardless of this, the blurb really needs work - far too long) --MASEM (t) 23:47, 18 October 2014 (UTC) Comment Guardian, Haaretz, Sydney Morning Herald and PBS all state that it was one of two male breeding rhinos - so it's not exactly the last one. Fuebaey (talk) 00:00, 19 October 2014 (UTC) Oppose while tragic, there seems plenty of evidence to support the fact that there is still one male left. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:24, 19 October 2014 (UTC) Well, there is also lot of sperm in the fridge, but the point is last male is to old for mating. So natural mating of these rhinoceros is now impossible.--Jenda H. (talk) 10:41, 19 October 2014 (UTC) Curiously, that article says he is one of three males left alive, and that it is simply "suspected" that he is too old for mating. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:20, 19 October 2014 (UTC) Oppose - Sad news but we should probably only post such stories when a species is officially declared extinct, and the report is widely circulated in the news. Extinctions happen frequently, but most are unknown or pass without notice. Jehochman 16:10, 19 October 2014 (UTC) Nepal trekking disaster Article: 2014 Mount Dhaulagiri avalanche (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ At least 39 people die and nearly 400 are rescued from the Himalayas following Nepal's worst trekking disaster. (Post) Credits: Nominated by The Rambling Man (talk · give credit) Article needs updatingNominator's comments: No time to create or find an article at this point, sorry. But can't believe this hasn't been nominated in some form. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:43, 18 October 2014 (UTC) Support when article created. All I've managed to do so far is this. Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:46, 18 October 2014 (UTC) There is 2014 Mount Dhaulagiri avalanche--Jenda H. (talk) 19:45, 18 October 2014 (UTC) That article seems to conflate two or more events - at Dhaulagiri and at Annapurna. If it is to provide the basis of a new article, it needs to be renamed as well as expanded. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:40, 19 October 2014 (UTC) Article now at 2014 Nepal snowstorm disaster. Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:02, 19 October 2014 (UTC) Comment, didn't this happen several days ago? Abductive (reasoning) 15:35, 18 October 2014 (UTC) Yes, this is the fourth day of the search for survivors/bodies. But it's the top news story on the BBC News homepage right now. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:52, 18 October 2014 (UTC) It is an outgoing event rescue operation has happen today. --Jenda H. (talk) 19:45, 18 October 2014 (UTC) Information regarding this disaster was difficult to come by in the first ~2 days. Rescuers and survivors were not able to relay their accounts until now...and that, is part of the tragedy. --Somchai Sun (talk) 21:49, 18 October 2014 (UTC) Support --Jenda H. (talk) 19:45, 18 October 2014 (UTC) Support Large number of fatalities, top news. --Somchai Sun (talk) 21:49, 18 October 2014 (UTC) Opppose this is a voluntary mass suicide assuming it's true. Compare this to the Rhino's who've been killed involuntarily, as opposed to these rich people with nothing more constructive to do than eff about on mountain edges. The extinction of the Rhino is forever. The death of a bunch of westerners is of no importance whatsoever. μηδείς (talk) 7:45 pm, 18 October 2014, last Saturday (2 days ago) (UTC−4) You're claiming that all of the victims wanted to commit suicide? Even if that were true, it would still be quite notable. And that includes all the local guides who were killed or injured? And how come you can make a comment dated "2 days ago"? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:10, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Medeis did indeed make this comment 2 days ago but an IP removed it, presumably in an attempt to raise the quality of discussion. Bencherlite 18:41, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Ah right. So a success there, and a failure, combined. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:44, 20 October 2014 (UTC) The subject was moot but the IP sockpuppet (you know, the good kind of sockpuppet) effectively made Masem's comment below incomprehensible with his vandalism. In response to Masem, sorry to say it, but if 20 Yak Herders were killed in a storm we'd never have heard of it. That and eurocentrism are why I opposed. I don't see that focusing on an item where otherwise unnotable Westerners die doing things that can kill you meets the, will they still be talking about this 100 years from now criterion. μηδείς (talk) 22:03, 20 October 2014 (UTC) support posting but the article really needs to be more than a few sentences. Disagree with Medeis' assessment as the casualties also appear to be yak herders - aka people that made their life there. --MASEM (t) 23:50, 18 October 2014 (UTC) Support given the scale of the disaster. Neljack (talk) 00:17, 19 October 2014 (UTC) Support when article created. Definitive death toll and victim names still to emerge, I think. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:21, 19 October 2014 (UTC) The article needs expansion, then I believe we have a consensus to post. --Tone 13:59, 19 October 2014 (UTC) Posting now. Good work with the expansion. --Tone 17:57, 19 October 2014 (UTC) Ben Dunk Opps!! @Masem: the record he broke was only the highest Australian domestic List A score not overall. Still, being third is no mean feat and if anyone feels like reopening this feel free NickGibson3900 04:19, 18 October 2014 (UTC) The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Article: Ben Dunk (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ Tasmanian cricketer Ben Dunk scores the highest ever Australian one-day cricket score with an innings of 229 not out against Queensland in the 2014–15 Matador BBQs One-Day Cup. (Post) Credits: Nominated by NickGibson3900 (talk · give credit) Article needs updating NickGibson3900 02:55, 18 October 2014 (UTC) Question List of List A cricket records is not clear what's happening here (I'm nowhere near an expert on cricket) - why is Dunk's record, claimed to be highest here, 3rd there ? What is special about List A cricket to make that special? To put the question in a way I would read it, this would be like saying the record for a baseball playing having the most Runs Batted In in a single game, but qualifying it as in regular season play compared to championship play. If the situation is close to the latter, this seems to be a very trivial designation to not meet ITN. (Also, we need a source). --MASEM (t) 04:10, 18 October 2014 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. LoL World Championship Article: League of Legends World Championship (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ South Korean team Samsung White wins the League of Legends 2014 World Championship (Post) Alternative blurb: ​ In computer gaming, Samsung White wins the $1 million League of Legends 2014 World Championship News source(s): Business Insider, WSJ, Forbes, NY Times, BBC, CNN, Glasgow Times, De.IGN, L'express, Gamestar.hu, Air Herald (Dubai), Levelup (Spanish), International Business Tribune Credits: Nominated by Nergaal (talk · give credit)  Nergaal (talk) 00:47, 18 October 2014 (UTC) Comment: I would kinda prefer having a separate article for this year's event, rather than having an article about the general championship tournament itself. Spencer 07:47, 18 October 2014 (UTC) Ideally sure, but I don't think that is a necessity. Nergaal (talk) 11:10, 18 October 2014 (UTC) Comment Despite its popularity, this is still only one game. E-Sports World Championship 2014 will be more representative and prestigious I think. Brandmeister 08:30, 18 October 2014 (UTC) No it is not. LoL producers specifically didn't take part there as to not diminish the prestige of this LoL WC. Plus the prize is up to $25k only. Nergaal (talk) 10:37, 18 October 2014 (UTC) Yeah, prestigious! Yeah it is because of its large prize fund, just give gamers a $1m paycheck and this earns the title of being is a prestigious event, more than the IOC will ever pay out to its athletes right? Donnie Park (talk) 18:52, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Those events are not held on a stadium. If higher crowds is not a measure of prestige, then what is? Nergaal (talk) 00:01, 21 October 2014 (UTC) IMO, the problem with eSports is that like boybands, tournaments are fickle, even boybands pack up stadiums and does that make them greater than others? Those that is listed in ITN are usually long established events and is this? Donnie Park (talk) 11:19, 21 October 2014 (UTC) Oppose this is neither unusual nor important nor listed on ITN/R. This week there will be numerous other events more notable, bigger money, more coverage that we won't list. Jehochman 11:15, 18 October 2014 (UTC) Such as? Nergaal (talk) 12:04, 18 October 2014 (UTC) Oppose- Championship does not have its own article. There are either very few or no sporting events we post that don't have their own articles. Also, if ITN does choose to take a brave leap into e-sports, the E-Sports World Championship would be a more appropriate event than this. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 02:27, 19 October 2014 (UTC) Note here are some quotes from Forbes: "compete for the honor of being the best team of the most popular game of the world", "Worlds was a spectacle unlike anything eSports has seen before", "player count would still be miles ahead of the next closest game". Nergaal (talk) 21:39, 19 October 2014 (UTC) Forbes is not a great source. They are really lax about letting anybody publish anything on their website. Jehochman 21:43, 19 October 2014 (UTC) I am reconsidering because I saw this in the news. Can you show that this has been reported on in multiple countries? I see US sources, and presumably it's all over the news in Korea. Has it been in the news in any other countries? Secondly, do we report the result rather than the start of the games? When will we know who won? Jehochman 12:06, 20 October 2014 (UTC) I've added some other links. Nergaal (talk) 14:39, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Support my altblurb. You may still want to answer my questions because this could help convince others. Jehochman 12:14, 20 October 2014 (UTC) Oppose, There are plenty of world championship events out there who will never see ITN (some because they get rejected) so why should this? I don't see the prestige of this event but then neither was I a LoL fan as I've never heard of it, plus the size of prize fund nor the amount of gamers out there shouldn't be used as an excuse to measure its prestige. If we were to allow this, are we going to give an ITN to the Call of Duty World Championship as thats one of the few games I seem to be aware of. As for eSport events, I only know of MLG, thats all. Donnie Park (talk) 18:52, 20 October 2014 (UTC) @Donnie Park: If 1/5 of the entire population of the US, or the entire UK were to be playing CoD, then the CoD WC would indeed be worth posting on ITN. Also, LoL is one of the games featured at MLG events, and among those it has the largest user base by far. Also, in case you didn't check the article, the final was held on a stadium with some 60k spectators, a crowd much higher than those any event outside of soccer and NFL. Nergaal (talk) 23:53, 20 October 2014 (UTC) @Nergaal:"crowd much higher than those any event outside of soccer and NFL" - you're having a Lot of Laugh right? Implying that the figure is higher than every of those games let alone those including the FIFA World Cup, UEFA Champion's League and Superbowl, am I right to assume you're having a laugh with that fact? So because it attracts large crowds it make it prestigious right? Also have I seen anybody calling a 3 year young event prestigious? Also where did you get the 67m gamers from? You mean 67m people playing video games including smartphones because I don't think that necessarily mean 67m people are playing LoL because until this nomination now, I've never heard of that game ever and have no intention to. As with ITN because you assume because of its prize purse, we to give ITN for that reason, also answer this; have we given an ITN to the Dubai World Cup, famous for its high prize money despite its young history? Also, are we going to give ITN to London, Paris or New York Fashion Week because like you imply, events that attract large crowds are ITN worthy, on the news all the time (unlike this LoL event) and is more prestigious to this Mickey Mouse event even though I have no interest in fashion? Donnie Park (talk) 11:19, 21 October 2014 (UTC) @Donnie Park: From NY Times. BBC quotes: "On the industry reckoning, about 27 million people play it every day. At peaks, there may be more than seven million gamers playing it at the same time." "At the previous final a year ago, 32 million people watched around the world, online, or in cinemas." "This time, gamers all over the world crowded to cinemas at odd times of the day depending on the time zone." You cannot play the game on a smartphone or on a console, so unlike CoD or other US-popular games, that figure includes only PCs (and some laptops). If any of the fashion weeks would attract anywhere near 32 million people to watch it, or if they would get traditional sponsors like Coke, I would totally support them being featured on ITN. Nergaal (talk) 13:37, 21 October 2014 (UTC) @Nergaal: Still, the viewing figures is only a claim by the developer. Next argument, "If any of the fashion weeks would attract anywhere near 32 million people to watch it, or if they would get traditional sponsors like..." - c'mon, do I need to argue that those I listed are the biggest fashion week in the world without doubt and I don't need anything to prove it and like said, I couldn't remotely give a damn about fashion, I mentioned it because these come on the news all the time. - you're here to look for ways to support your argument in regards to your favorite game when you have lost because everybody opposed your nomination and what next, are we going to argue your LoL WC vs F1 World Championship. My argument for oppose just like every other eSport events will always be that the industry is notorious for being fickle, I mean like the games in these tournaments with its developer, publisher and even staffs and industry people comes and goes, even the eGamers careers are short, look at Fatal1ty, his career faded when the new generation of FPS games came along that required a different way of playing. Going back to your eSport vs. fashion week argument, please let me know if these eSport you are arguing have got prestigious sponsors like Mercedes Benz and this horde including Canon, Amex and Swatch, and as I now answered your question, are you going to nominate the NY and the London Fashion Week for ITN yourself? Just knock it off and get over the fact your nomination have been rejected. Donnie Park (talk) 03:01, 22 October 2014 (UTC) @Donnie Park: All your points about being fickle are wrong IMHO. Hypothetically, if a billion people would end up watching an event, be it new, old, or weird, it would get posted regardless. Take Moto GP: when people cared for the likes of Rossi and other charismatic riders, the MotoGP winner was posted - but now, because fewer people follow it, this ITNR item wasn't even nominated. If an event has followers, it gets posted regardless of how ridiculous is. And FYI, I did not compare this to F1. I did day that there are several actual sports with much larger fanbase, however, considering how completely neglected this topic has been by ITN, I expected some degree of leniency from voters. Nergaal (talk) 09:32, 22 October 2014 (UTC) October 17 Portal:Current events/2014 October 17 October 17, 2014 (2014-10-17) (Friday) edit history watch Disasters and accidents 2014 Atlantic hurricane season Hurricane Gonzalo hits Bermuda becoming the strongest storm to hit the island in a decade. (NBC News), (Reuters) Health Ebola virus epidemic in West Africa The World Health Organisation declares Senegal to be free of the Ebola virus. (Reuters via Business Recorder) Ebola virus cases in the United States The President of the United States Barack Obama names lawyer and former political operative Ron Klain as "ebola czar" to coordinate US response to the Ebola outbreak. (AFP via Yahoo! News) International relations The Kyodo news agency reports that the Prime Minister of Japan Shinzo Abe sent a ritual offering to the controversial Yasukuni Shrine in Tokyo that could complicate relations with China and South Korea. (Reuters) 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine Vladimir Putin, the President of Russia, and Petro Poroshenko, the President of Ukraine, will meet at the sidelines of the Asia–Europe Meeting in Milan, Italy to discuss the conflict and supplies of natural gas. (Euronews) Politics and elections 2014 Hong Kong protests The Hong Kong Police Force stages a dawn raid at the protest site in the suburb of Mong Kok. (Reuters) Nigeria/Boko Haram ceasefire Articles: Boko Haram (talk · history · tag) and Chibok schoolgirls kidnapping (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ The Nigerian military announce a ceasefire agreement with Boko Haram, including the released of the 200 kidnapped schoolgirls. (Post) News source(s): BBC Credits: Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit) Both articles need updatingNominator's comments: Hopefully a peaceful end to a long-standing civil conflict; the safety of the kidnapped schoolgirls will likely be lauded given the social media push that had. --MASEM (t) 14:59, 17 October 2014 (UTC) Wait — If the girls are released, or there is unequivocal evidence that they will be, definitely blurbable. Sca (talk) 15:29, 17 October 2014 (UTC) I agree with Sca. And good God, what a relief! Here's hoping that both parties can follow through on the ceasefire agreement. I can scarcely imagine the ordeal that those young girls went through. Kurtis 23:08, 17 October 2014 (UTC) Wait taqiyya. μηδείς (talk) 23:43, 17 October 2014 (UTC) It looks like they expect to have the schoolgirls released by Tuesday. Agree with the above on the wait to affirm that. --MASEM (t) 16:52, 18 October 2014 (UTC) You'll have my full support if this is confirmed, ping me, User:Masem, if it happens and I don't respond. μηδείς (talk) 23:50, 18 October 2014 (UTC) Any flups on this yet? μηδείς (talk) 01:25, 21 October 2014 (UTC) No, at least with the release. There's some of the Nigeria military officials that are worried that the Boko Haram group may be stalling on time. --MASEM (t) 01:32, 21 October 2014 (UTC) October 16 Portal:Current events/2014 October 16 October 16, 2014 (2014-10-16) (Thursday) edit history watch Armed conflicts and attacks War in North-West Pakistan The Pakistan Air Force claims to have killed at least 27 militants in overnight airstrikes. (AFP via Hindustan Times) International relations New Zealand, Malaysia, Angola, Spain and Venezuela have been elected to sit on the United Nations Security Council for two years from 2015. (Reuters via ABC News Australia) Law and crime Brazilian police arrest Thiago Henrique Gomes da Rocha who they claim has killed at least 39 people over a three year period targeting homeless people, women and gays. (BBC) Politics and elections The Europe of Freedom and Direct Democracy (EFDD) group in the European Parliament, set up by Eurosceptic parties after the European elections, is dissolved after Latvian MEP Iveta Grigule left the group. (Guardian), (EP Media Spokesman) 2014 Hong Kong protests There are overnight scuffles between members of the Hong Kong Police Force and Occupy Central with Love and Peace protesters for a second night. (BBC) UNSC election Article: United Nations Security Council election, 2014 (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ Angola, Malaysia, New Zealand, Spain and Venezuela are elected as non-permanent members of the United Nations Security Council. (Post) News source(s): UN Credits: Nominated by Brandmeister (talk · give credit) Article updated The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.Nominator's comments: Article looks good, although UNSC doesn't look effective in recent conflicts. --Brandmeister 23:20, 16 October 2014 (UTC) Support The article looks all right. Neljack (talk) 01:45, 17 October 2014 (UTC) Guarded Support New article is nicely developed, my only caveat would be that the objections to Venezuela probably don't justify a level 1 heading, and doing that is probably undue emphasis. However, that's a minor issue I'm not going to oppose over. 3142 (talk) 01:50, 17 October 2014 (UTC) Oppose for now (Support for January) Per ITN/R: "In previous years, the item has been added to ITN when the new members take their seats (1 January) rather than when the results were announced (during October). This is because the elections are not usually heavily competitive, and 1 January is in the middle of a very slow news period every year." Last year there was at least a little controversy, when Saudi Arabia declined its seat. This year, there doesn't seem to have been anything noteworthy about the elections themselves. Smurrayinchester 11:34, 17 October 2014 (UTC) (edit conflict) Wait. As noted on WP:ITNR itself, we post this item on 1 January when the winners take their seats. This is an exception to the usual rule of posting when the results are known, partly because the elections are hardly ever competitive - this year only Spain/Turkey was even remotely close. Modest Genius 11:35, 17 October 2014 (UTC) EFDD collapses Article: Europe of Freedom and Direct Democracy (talk · history · tag) Blurb: ​ Europe of Freedom and Direct Democracy, the main grouping of Eurosceptic parties in the European Parliament, collapses. (Post) Alternative blurb: ​ Europe of Freedom and Direct Democracy, the group of populist Eurosceptic parties in the European Parliament, collapses. News source(s): BBC Credits: Nominated by Smurrayinchester (talk · give credit)  Smurrayinchester 13:09, 16 October 2014 (UTC) Neutral I am not sure how much this really matters even within the EU parliament, since for other than the phony Farage, nobody really heard of it. Nergaal (talk) 16:05, 16 October 2014 (UTC) Comment The page concerning this group doesn't even seem to include a clear idea of the goal or views of this group, just a timeline. I had to Wiki-walk to actually figure it out. Challenger l (talk) 16:29, 16 October 2014 (UTC) oppose there will just be another coalition that will still not govern. and the next UK election page says theyre in a debate (big step up) with rising poplularity and a MP. this means bugger all...probs a reaction to their cockiness with all the votes Still if peeps think Sao Tome is nothing then tinpot Podunk latvia changes nothingLihaas (talk) 21:46, 16 October 2014 (UTC) Oppose This is another exaggerated blurb: it isn't some big falling out, it is simply that the grouping has sunk below the threshold for official recognition and funding. It isn't as if the grouping itself no longer exists. 3142 (talk) 01:54, 17 October 2014 (UTC) Oppose- More of a "media hot topic related news" than truly important news, this will have little effect on the European Parliament. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 02:29, 19 October 2014 (UTC) Note According to the BBC this morning, the collapse is off. GoldenRing (talk) 00:12, 21 October 2014 (UTC) References Nominators often include links to external websites and other references in discussions on this page. It is usually best to provide such links using the inline URL syntax rather than using <ref></ref> tags, because that keeps all the relevant information in the same place as the nomination without having to jump to this section, and facilitates the archiving process. For the times when <ref></ref> tags are being used, here are their contents: