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| ], and also not clear at all what merits membership to this list. Misplaced Pages is not a meaningless list of information. --] 01:18, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | ], and also not clear at all what merits membership to this list. Misplaced Pages is not a meaningless list of information. --] 01:18, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | ||
| ::having sung tangos is one condition. ] ] 20:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete''': per ]. --] 01:14, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | *'''Delete''': per ]. --] 01:14, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Delete''' per nom. --] 01:15, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | *'''Delete''' per nom. --] 01:15, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | ||
| **see above ] ] 20:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete''' per nom. ] <sup>]</sup> 01:30, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | *'''Delete''' per nom. ] <sup>]</sup> 01:30, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Delete''', redundant due to ]--]<small><font color="red">]</font></small> 01:31, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | *'''Delete''', redundant due to ]--]<small><font color="red">]</font></small> 01:31, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Delete''' list is too vague, no real qualifications or vast "notability." ]] 01:35, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | *'''Delete''' list is too vague, no real qualifications or vast "notability." ]] 01:35, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | ||
| **qualifications are real. All sung tangos! ] ] 20:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete''' per above. --''']]]''' <small>]</small> 02:22, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | *'''Delete''' per above. --''']]]''' <small>]</small> 02:22, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | ||
| *'''Keep''' Isn't this exactly what lists are for? There isn't a category that exists for this, and, frankly, I don't see how this is different from say ] or ]. Also, don't be afraid of red links, my friends--they're a good way of showing what needs to be done. See ] ] 13:23, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | *'''Keep''' Isn't this exactly what lists are for? There isn't a category that exists for this, and, frankly, I don't see how this is different from say ] or ]. Also, don't be afraid of red links, my friends--they're a good way of showing what needs to be done. See ] ] 13:23, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | ||
| ::Please see ], which seem to cover this a lot better. Thanks. --] 17:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | ::Please see ], which seem to cover this a lot better. Thanks. --] 17:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | ||
| :::I'm afraid that musicians and vocalists are two very different things. Also, lists are helpful because they can be annotated and explained, like "So and so released one tango album early in his career". ] 17:25, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | :::I'm afraid that musicians and vocalists are two very different things. Also, lists are helpful because they can be annotated and explained, like "So and so released one tango album early in his career". ] 17:25, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | ||
| ::::Wao, at least someone here with some knowledge of the subject. Yes, musicians and singer is not an identity. ] ] 20:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete'''; my suggestion is to start a tango singer ], if sufficient interest exists. ] ] 15:58, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | *'''Delete'''; my suggestion is to start a tango singer ], if sufficient interest exists. ] ] 15:58, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | ||
| **chico, there is a tango project which can cover this perfectly. ] ] 20:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Keep''' as per ]. A list like this should be treated with care - it is not the only controversial one. I see that a page like ] doubles up as a list of every famous Russian called Oleg, and as a redirect page to rulers called Oleg. Calling tango singers "tango musicians" may sometimes be inappropriate (some of them may find it funny themselves) and in the case of my addition to the list, ] - who rearranged texts of Russian romance songs to make them conform to Argentine tango, but ''never (re)composed anything'' rather contoversial. Most of the singers who are (also) mentioned as tango musicians seem to have done some acting in films. Perhaps that made them "tango ''musicians''" in the popular mind? Talking about Wikiprojects, I see ] has recently started ]. He IS rather pushy, but hopefully there is no hidden agenda here - a lot of his stuff seems to be getting AfDed at this moment? --] 16:46, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | *'''Keep''' as per ]. A list like this should be treated with care - it is not the only controversial one. I see that a page like ] doubles up as a list of every famous Russian called Oleg, and as a redirect page to rulers called Oleg. Calling tango singers "tango musicians" may sometimes be inappropriate (some of them may find it funny themselves) and in the case of my addition to the list, ] - who rearranged texts of Russian romance songs to make them conform to Argentine tango, but ''never (re)composed anything'' rather contoversial. Most of the singers who are (also) mentioned as tango musicians seem to have done some acting in films. Perhaps that made them "tango ''musicians''" in the popular mind? Talking about Wikiprojects, I see ] has recently started ]. He IS rather pushy, but hopefully there is no hidden agenda here - a lot of his stuff seems to be getting AfDed at this moment? --] 16:46, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | ||
| ::Interesting. I request you withdraw your last comment, unless you can reveal the hidden link between me and anything related to Tango. Feel free to dig up ]. --] 17:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | ::Interesting. I request you withdraw your last comment, unless you can reveal the hidden link between me and anything related to Tango. Feel free to dig up ]. --] 17:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | ||
| :::chico,do we need a contribution tree? After attacking ] now it's list of singers. All within few days. All during or near to a 8 week block of mine, which was reduced. And you say there is no agenda? What a coincidence. ] ] 20:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Delete''' per nom. Notability concerns also. ]<sup>]</sup> 19:41, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | *'''Delete''' per nom. Notability concerns also. ]<sup>]</sup> 19:41, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | ||
| **The are all very notable. Seems you are not very familiar with this topic. ] ] 20:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *'''Keep'''. If somebody is non-notable, take them off the list. There's a reference given in the talk page. Have the delete voters ever read ]? This is a textbook case of when a list is a ''good thing''. Not all the singers have articles yet (it looks like they'll be along in the future, though) so there's a definitely improvement over categories for a start. How on earth is this meaningless? I am really struggling to understand. There have been tango singers in human history, that's pretty clear, what would be wrong with a list that listed a selection of the more notable ones (notable enough to eventually deserve an article, perhaps) and provided some brief biographical details? This list isn't there yet but there's no reason why it shouldn't. ''AFD is not cleanup''. ] 20:45, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | *'''Keep'''. If somebody is non-notable, take them off the list. There's a reference given in the talk page. Have the delete voters ever read ]? This is a textbook case of when a list is a ''good thing''. Not all the singers have articles yet (it looks like they'll be along in the future, though) so there's a definitely improvement over categories for a start. How on earth is this meaningless? I am really struggling to understand. There have been tango singers in human history, that's pretty clear, what would be wrong with a list that listed a selection of the more notable ones (notable enough to eventually deserve an article, perhaps) and provided some brief biographical details? This list isn't there yet but there's no reason why it shouldn't. ''AFD is not cleanup''. ] 20:45, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | ||
| ::And for those who haven't read ], a short and unbiased summary is "lists, categories and series boxes have different advantages and disadvantages, and sometimes one, two or even all three of these are appropriate". If you read ] you will understand why ] does ''not in the least'' make this list defunct, nor is at simple as "the category does |
::And for those who haven't read ], a short and unbiased summary is "lists, categories and series boxes have different advantages and disadvantages, and sometimes one, two or even all three of these are appropriate". If you read ] you will understand why ] does ''not in the least'' make this list defunct, nor is at simple as "the category does it better" - the category does different things better. Does the category do red links, for instance? No! They are for different things and will work just fine side by side. ] 20:49, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | ||
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List of tango singers
WP:NOT, and also not clear at all what merits membership to this list. Misplaced Pages is not a meaningless list of information. --Ragib 01:18, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- having sung tangos is one condition. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 20:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete: per WP:NOT. --Ragib 01:14, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --Bill (who is cool!) 01:15, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- see above Tobias Conradi (Talk) 20:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Alphachimp 01:30, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete, redundant due to Category:Tango musicians--TBCTaLk?!? 01:31, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete list is too vague, no real qualifications or vast "notability." Yanksox 01:35, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- qualifications are real. All sung tangos! Tobias Conradi (Talk) 20:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per above. --Coredesat talk. o.o;; 02:22, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- Keep Isn't this exactly what lists are for? There isn't a category that exists for this, and, frankly, I don't see how this is different from say List of fruits or List of gay, lesbian or bisexual composers. Also, don't be afraid of red links, my friends--they're a good way of showing what needs to be done. See Misplaced Pages:Lists (stand-alone lists)#Appropriate topics for lists AdamBiswanger1 13:23, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- Please see Category:Tango musicians, which seem to cover this a lot better. Thanks. --Ragib 17:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- I'm afraid that musicians and vocalists are two very different things. Also, lists are helpful because they can be annotated and explained, like "So and so released one tango album early in his career". AdamBiswanger1 17:25, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- Wao, at least someone here with some knowledge of the subject. Yes, musicians and singer is not an identity. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 20:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- I'm afraid that musicians and vocalists are two very different things. Also, lists are helpful because they can be annotated and explained, like "So and so released one tango album early in his career". AdamBiswanger1 17:25, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- Please see Category:Tango musicians, which seem to cover this a lot better. Thanks. --Ragib 17:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete; my suggestion is to start a tango singer WP:Wikiproject, if sufficient interest exists. Walter Siegmund (talk) 15:58, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- chico, there is a tango project which can cover this perfectly. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 20:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- Keep as per AdamBiswanger1. A list like this should be treated with care - it is not the only controversial one. I see that a page like Oleg doubles up as a list of every famous Russian called Oleg, and as a redirect page to rulers called Oleg. Calling tango singers "tango musicians" may sometimes be inappropriate (some of them may find it funny themselves) and in the case of my addition to the list, Pyotr Leshchenko - who rearranged texts of Russian romance songs to make them conform to Argentine tango, but never (re)composed anything rather contoversial. Most of the singers who are (also) mentioned as tango musicians seem to have done some acting in films. Perhaps that made them "tango musicians" in the popular mind? Talking about Wikiprojects, I see Tobias Conradi has recently started Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Tango. He IS rather pushy, but hopefully there is no hidden agenda here - a lot of his stuff seems to be getting AfDed at this moment? --Pan Gerwazy 16:46, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- Interesting. I request you withdraw your last comment, unless you can reveal the hidden link between me and anything related to Tango. Feel free to dig up my contribution tree. --Ragib 17:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- chico,do we need a contribution tree? After attacking tango.info now it's list of singers. All within few days. All during or near to a 8 week block of mine, which was reduced. And you say there is no agenda? What a coincidence. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 20:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- Interesting. I request you withdraw your last comment, unless you can reveal the hidden link between me and anything related to Tango. Feel free to dig up my contribution tree. --Ragib 17:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Notability concerns also. The JPS 19:41, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- The are all very notable. Seems you are not very familiar with this topic. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 20:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- Keep. If somebody is non-notable, take them off the list. There's a reference given in the talk page. Have the delete voters ever read WP:CLS? This is a textbook case of when a list is a good thing. Not all the singers have articles yet (it looks like they'll be along in the future, though) so there's a definitely improvement over categories for a start. How on earth is this meaningless? I am really struggling to understand. There have been tango singers in human history, that's pretty clear, what would be wrong with a list that listed a selection of the more notable ones (notable enough to eventually deserve an article, perhaps) and provided some brief biographical details? This list isn't there yet but there's no reason why it shouldn't. AFD is not cleanup. TheGrappler 20:45, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- And for those who haven't read WP:CLS, a short and unbiased summary is "lists, categories and series boxes have different advantages and disadvantages, and sometimes one, two or even all three of these are appropriate". If you read WP:CLS you will understand why Category:Tango musicians does not in the least make this list defunct, nor is at simple as "the category does it better" - the category does different things better. Does the category do red links, for instance? No! They are for different things and will work just fine side by side. TheGrappler 20:49, 12 July 2006 (UTC)