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Inquiry

Hey, T13. Do you have time to help me with some wiki-coding issues? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 06:37, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

• Depends on what the coding issues are. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} 14:02, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

• Mostly simple stuff, like to trying squeeze specific formatting functions out of wikitable, infobox tweaks, etc. Simple stuff I expect, but it takes too long for me to figure it out -- I'm a writer-editor, not a wiki-coder. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:29, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
  • LOL... Okay, let me try wording this another way... Give me a list of the things you would like me to poke at, and I will do what I can in my gaps of free time. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} 18:15, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

• T13, can you figure out how to make Template:Infobox college football player display a royal blue background with white text reversed out for Florida Gators players? The University of Florida's primary colors are royal blue and orange, but white is used as a secondary color when necessary. We have changed all of the University of Florida and Florida Gators navboxes and infoboxes to white text reversed out of a royal blue background, with orange used as a highlight color when the wiki-coding permits it. For an example of this particular infobox in use, and the illegibility of orange text reversed out of a royal blue background, please see the Charlie LaPradd article. Please let me know if your proposed solution affects other infoboxes, navboxes, etc., before implementing it. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:32, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Let me make sure I understand the question: You want to be able to have two different color schemes for one school or you want to change the color scheme for this school?
    •  Florida Gators  vs.  Florida Gators 

  Would you be interested in going a whole new direction using some kind of text shadow?

  •  Florida Gators 
  •  Florida Gators 
  •  Florida Gators 

  We can do pretty much anything. Do you have a specific look you wanted? Maybe the same way some of the text is formatted on the official site? Let me know. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} 20:56, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

• LOL@T13. Keep it simple, Show Off! White text reversed out of royal blue background, please. Here's the second issue: is the scheme used in this template (orange text reversed out of royal blue background) somehow tied to the color schemes for other templates, etc.? If so, we need to know that before making any changes with unanticipated consequences.

After we figure this out, I would like you to examine how we could use white text for all instances of this particular template, and find a way to use the secondary color (i.e. the color previously used for the text) as a stripe or other highlight to the primary color -- but we can talk about that later.

FYI, for an example of the color scheme of a typical Florida Gators navbox, please see Template:Florida Gators football coach navbox; for white text reversed out blue in a Florida Gators-related article, please see List of University of Florida Athletic Hall of Fame members; for white text reversed out of blue in a Florida Gators-related infobox, please see Florida Gators men's basketball. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:11, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

• Okay. So, {{CollegePrimaryHex}} is where your background colors for that template are stored by team name and {{CollegeSecondaryHex}} are where your font colors are per team name. All you need to do to change the text color for all {{Infobox college football player}} infoboxes is change the line |Florida Gators=FF4A00 (from orange) in {{CollegeSecondaryHex}} to |Florida Gators=FFFFFF (for white). If you want to add more formatting like some of my above examples, I'll have to add optional parameters and whatnot to accommodate that. You can actually do the first one fairly easily yourself if you like, while the second one would take someone that actually understands CSS and templates to properly add the code. Let me know. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} 21:21, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Hey, we left this hanging on Friday -- can you execute the white reversed out of royal blue for articles about Florida Gators football players that utilize this particular infobox template? If so, I have a follow-up question/request about how we might utilize orange as a third highlight color. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:27, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

• Yeah, sorry about that, had to go out of town for the weekend for my daughter's 3rd birthday party. All college sports use the same to color templates. If you want to change it for just one sport, then parameters will have to be added to the template to allow you to override the default color specified by the sub-templates. This is certainly doable. I'd be happy to whip this up in the template sandbox, but would like to hear your idea about orange as a third color so I can do it all in one shot. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} 00:00, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

• Follow-up: please execute the color change for this one template. Most other templates have a built-in option where white can be used for the text color. Also can you list the templates that are impacted by the uniform Florida Gators color scheme?
  • It's gooing to take me a little time and mental capacity to remember exactly what I needed to do for this, but will try to remember it in the next few days, feel free to poke me again on it if I seem to have forgotten or am taking too long. — {{U|Technical 13}} 21:52, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
• New request: Can you figure out how to replace "gold," "silver" and "bronze" with "first," "second" and "third" in the results tables for 2008 United States Olympic Trials (swimming)? Medals are not awarded at the Olympic Trials. Before implementing, please determine if any other uses are impacted -- such as actual Olympic Games results where medals are awarded. Thanks, T13. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:32, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
  •  Done. I added a parameter ({{{ordinal}}}) to the template that makes the table headers for such tables so that when |ordinal=yes it changes from the metal awards to an ordinal type. Are there are types or color schemes you'd like added? If so, maybe I should change the parameter name to "award" or something else and make it a switch statement instead of the ifeq it currently is. Let me know. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} 21:52, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks, T13. That's why I asked you: hard for me, easy as Pi for you! As for header colors, I would stick with some lighter screen of neutral gray. Clearly, gold, silver and bronze colors are not appropriate. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:06, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Currently "metal" types are gold, silver, bronze, and "ordinal" types are blue, red, yellow. — {{U|Technical 13}} 23:29, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

• Yup. I saw that. I suggest we don't guild the lily. Let's stick withe standard wikitable gray screen for the headers. The Trials are qualifying races to see who makes the U.S. Olympic team; no medals, no ribbons. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 23:46, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

That's a misspelling of a misquotation... see wikt:gild the lily or q:List of misquotations#Unsourced, unverified, or other best guesses, and King John, Act IV, scene ii. --Redrose64 (talk) 07:56, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

cellpadding, cellspacing, align, valign, width, border

Hi!

What do you think of adding a few other rules to your CSS? http://dpaste.com/2HASHME Helder 21:52, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks for the reminder Helder, I've just been really busy with schoolwork and getting caught up on assigments after being bedridden for the first three weeks of class with a 103°F temperature and haven't had time to applying your suggestion and interact with it. I haven't forgotten though. :) Happy wikiing! — {{U|Technical 13}} 17:18, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Ok :-) Helder 17:21, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

• I've added all except the "border=" for now as it is technically still not "bad" to use persay and it is very difficult to replicate exactly with css. — {{U|Technical 13}} 16:12, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

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Halloween cheer!

Hello Technical 13:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Misplaced Pages, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!
    – NorthAmerica 06:21, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

• NA1K, thanks and you too. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} 14:08, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

RfA data

Hi there Technical 13. I got the most of the data for pass rates etc from User:WereSpielChequers/RFA by month. The data for attrition is mainly from User:WereSpielChequers/Admin_attrition. In my table where I couldn't get the attrition figure direct, I used:

Attrition (actual, not net) = '(No of active admins previous year' - 'No of active admins current year') + 'promotions current year'.

For an up to data count of current active admins I used List_of_administrators (2nd line at top.)

For my little prediction, I didn't use any defensive wording as I was only looking two months ahead. If you're going to look further ahead, please word it carefully otherwise there might be massive attacks if you predict anything too confidently. (Sorry if you don't need this advise, it's just I haven't seen you around much so Im not sure if you know how cynical some in the community can be.) Im not too good at visuals, but I know how important they can be to a strong case. So please if you create anything you thing will help, just add it direct to whatever part of the page you think is best. Thanks very much for the possible help! FeydHuxtable (talk) 17:31, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

• FeydHuxtable, I've created the first chart based on the data I have found so far... Still need to find a historic database of active users per month... It shows that based on the current decline of successful RfAs compared to total number of RfAs submitted, by the middle of 2018, RfAs will no longer result in successful new admins.

There are a lot of other interesting trends that my spreadsheet shows, but I need more data and need to find a way to put the whole spreadsheet on wiki. Anyways... — {{U|Technical 13}} 00:39, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

If one doesn't assume a straight line best fit, the data could also slow a decline from 2004 (70%) to 2010/2011 (40%), and stability thereafter. DGG ( talk ) 04:39, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

• That line isn't a linear function, it is a logarithmic function that happens to show a straight line because that is what is reflected by the data. — {{U|Technical 13}} 09:36, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Template:Afc decline

Hi, could you have a look at this one? I just got one of these (can't win them all!) - and it screwed the page - it ended </div><!--Template:Afc decline--></div>. After I removed the second </div> - the page format was OK. Looks like only one div start and 2 div ends are being placed (and thus closed the div that was active). Thanks, Ronhjones  20:21, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

Thanks very much for the RfA visuals! FeydHuxtable (talk) 20:35, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

• FeydHuxtable, I'm still working on collecting more data. At this time, however, what I've collected so far for number of admins : active editors seems fairly balanced at the moment. It's a visual that might not support the goal, but I still have more data to collect, so I don't want to say for sure at this time... — {{U|Technical 13}} 21:32, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

This is the only link Im aware of for active editors . I think what you've done already is great, it's much easier to take in a good graph than raw numbers. But including the ones already on RfA talk, we have quite a good range of different graphs now you've added your projections. So it might not strengthen the case much to have more. Just saying as it would be a lot of data to crunch. FeydHuxtable (talk) 21:45, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

• I just created an image of what I have for data so far. I've gotten most of it from WP: pages or stats.wikimedia.org. I've color coded it all with a 3-tone scale except for the last column which is percent of active editors that are administrators. Some of my data isn't lining up properly and I have some gaps in data I need to research and fix. I'm guessing that a 10% of active editors being administrators is about what the proportion should be, although I'm sure that there are many that would disagree with me and without some kind of community consensus on what the target % should be, I had to go with my gut. That said, the last column is a three color scale with the upper and lower limits both being red as you get further from the target 10%. The part I know you've been waiting for:

Anyways, I'll update that table as I gather more data and figure out which data set is correct in all the places I have conflicts (most conflicts are marked with little red triangles in the cell corner where I have comments). Anyways, happy editing! — {{U|Technical 13}} 22:01, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

N is certainly an interesting stat. Myself and WSC think every cluefull longterm editor should have the chance to be an admin if they want to, but you're right most would probably prefer something closer to 10%. Can't believe how fast you've built all this up. Happy editing to you too. FeydHuxtable (talk) 22:43, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

I notice this seems to show stable % since 2006. The problem is then the overall decline in new editors, which is then reflected by the editors active as admins -- and in every area. DGG ( talk ) 04:41, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Tracker

I just pinged user:Theopolisme for help on a small technical item, but then realized he/she hasn't been on much, so I was wondering if you could chime in. I don't know if you remember, but about one year ago there was consensus at Proposals for a trial run of automatically adding Template:COI editnotice to the talk page of articles about companies to alert the article-subject of WP:COI. A tracker was added as a form of performance measurement for the trial, to see how many article-subjects saw the template, read it, and hit the "click here" button. It's been a year now and it is an ideal time to see how many clicks the template got, but I have no idea how to use the tracker code in it to see how many clicks. Do you know how to see? CorporateM (Talk) 03:08, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

@CorporateM: Unfortunately, that tracking was set up rather poorly (it should have used a tracking category, but it didn't), so actually seeing its results would require searching a database dump for the text at the bottom of Template:COI editnotice/preloadtracker. (talk page stalker) Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:14, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

• I agree with Jack, that's a horribly implemented tracker. I'll DL the latest database file and do a dump for it to see what I can find. It likely won't be until next week if you want to look for someone to do it sooner. — {{U|Technical 13}} 03:31, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Given that it's waited a year, another week won't hurt ;-) CorporateM (Talk) 04:01, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

• Actually... Might not even have to do that... Pages that link to "User:Theo's Little Bot/coi_tracker/bot" in all namespaces might give you what you need even though not exactly the best way to do it... It theoretically technically works... — {{U|Technical 13}} 04:08, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

That should do it! Looks like we got 10 clicks out of 700 articles in a one-year span, or 1.5%. Not exactly inspiring. CorporateM (Talk) 18:45, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Brilliant Idea Barnstar
	For the copyright detection multi tab tool, which I have just started to use and find excellent Fiddle Faddle 12:53, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

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WP:CIR

Technical, I highly strongly suggest that you don't cite WP:CIR as a comment on other editors actions. It can be viewed as a personal attack. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 04:40, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

• I call em as I see em. Suggesting that someone read WP:CIR (or the never finished WP:C!R) is hardly a personal attack and after a few years here on Misplaced Pages, most should know I mean very little personally and take nothing as such. Happy editing. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} 05:13, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Christopher Dotson

The article alleges the subject has written two hit songs. Please send this to WP:AfD if you feel strongly about it. Bearian (talk) 21:21, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

References in 'List of tallest buildings in Cyprus'

I am really sorry for disrupting you on an unnecessary topic, but this aspect concerns me strongly. A great majority of the references I link to the page List of tallest buildings in Cyprus, which, as I have checked many times, meet all criteria on reliability, get deleted. I will be really thankful if you could explain why.
Regards
Oldstone_James

• OJ, I'd be happy to explain. Sources for articles need to be INDEPENDENT, RELIABLE, SOURCES that are VERIFIABLE and not PRIMARY, OR, or CIRCULAR and follow the GOLDENRULE. (Each one of those blue links is a different page that explains what proper sources need to be. Happy editing! — {{U|Technical 13}} 15:05, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
  
• Thank you for explaining the general requirements for a source to be published in Misplaced Pages articles, though I still don't understand why particular references such as this, this, and this get deleted. Those three references are INDEPENDENT, RELIABLE, SOURCES, that are VERIFIABLE and neither PRIMARY nor CIRCULAR or OR, and all follow the GOLDENRULE. Could you please explain what criteria they don't follow, so that next time I list the references, I will be aware of what sources I must not publish? - Oldstone_James
  • Sure, I have a moment to explain...
    1. http://www.cybarco.com/news/the-oval-launch is a PRIMARY source for "The Oval" because it is from the company itself.
    2. http://www.ctbuh.org/News/GlobalTallNews/tabid/4810/Article/114/language/en-US/view.aspx just shows a greyed out screen with an X for an advertisement (that doesn't show). When that X is clicked, it leaves me with http://www.ctbuh.org/News/GlobalTallNews/tabid/4810/language/en-US/Default.aspx which tells me nothing about any of the buildings.
    3. http://skyscrapercenter.com/building/leventis-art-gallery/17992 has never been deleted by me but only offers inclusion for one building. That said, you can't have a list of tall buildings with only one building.

  I hope this help explain why these URLs are being removed. Happy editing. — {{U|Technical 13}} 16:24, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

  • Thank you very much for explaining everything in detail and for the time, though it's a shame one of the links doesn't work for you. Still thank you!

By the way, why do you delete items in the list that don't have references? There are several (actually more than just that) articles that don't have references at all, one of them being List of tallest buildings in Norway (two of the three references tell us nothing about the buildings and the other one cannot be opened due to a '500 Feil ved nedlasting av fil' error. Also, in the sentence above ,'http://www.ctbuh.org/News/GlobalTallNews/tabid/4810/Article/114/language/en-US/view.aspx just shows a greyed out screen with an X for an advertisement (that doesn't show). When that X is clicked, it leaves me with http://www.ctbuh.org/News/GlobalTallNews/tabid/4810/language/en-US/Default.aspx which tells me nothing about any of the buildings', you have just stated that the link http://www.ctbuh.org/News/GlobalTallNews/tabid/4810/Article/114/language/en-US/view.aspx doesn't open for YOU, and not for other users (like me).
Another area which is unclear to me is the deletion of the source http://www.cybarco.com/news/the-oval-launch. Even though Cybarco is a company, the NEWS section on the website allows to only publish news, which doesn't just make it more reliable, but it makes it a secondary source. Also, even if I am wrong, the page that describes Primary and Secondary sources provides us with information that a secondary source may be a 'drawn on' primary source. This means that, as I understand it (please correct me if I have interpreted it incorrectly), two pages may be combined to form a secondary source. In our case, the two pages are http://www.cybarco.com/news/the-oval-launch and http://www.ctbuh.org/News/GlobalTallNews/tabid/4810/Article/114/language/en-US/view.aspx, which can ideally form a reliable secondary source.
There also is one more topic that seems unclear to me: 'Upon doing some research, in order for an item to be in a list, it needs to have its own page on Misplaced Pages'. Most, if not all, articles on Misplaced Pages categorized as lists, such as List of tallest buildings in Panama City, List of tallest buildings in Finland, and many others, have half (or more) of their list items unlinked to any Misplaced Pages pages. However, in the article List of tallest buildings in Cyprus,(which I am sure is just one of a kind), whenever a list item without a Misplaced Pages link to it is spotted, it gets deleted. Is there any explanation for it (sorry for the excessive curiosity)?

• TL;DR but I'm guessing you are in need of some help understanding the purpose of lists. You may also be interested to read Source list, STANDALONE, and NOTDIR. — {{U|Technical 13}} 00:19, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

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My simple question

It is simple ;) - don't read too much, our time is precious. You have a nice substantial infobox, mine is simpler, - nice to meet you, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:52, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for sleeping over ;) - Do you watch the pages of other arbs also? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:27, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

• I haven't typically, although I was planning on adding all the Q&A pages for the other candidates (when there are some other candidates) to my watchlist to see what I can learn from others thoughts and ideas. Happy editing! — {{U|Technical 13}} 15:36, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

I like kafkaesque, so I enjoy the combination of "happy editing" and my present work Klag-Lied. If you follow the link above you see that our day of national remembrance is 16 November this year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:47, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

That was brave!

		The Original Barnstar
		Being the first to stand in the ArbCom elections took guts, and deserves recognition. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:13, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

• Someone had to do it... lol While I was at it, I also fixed half the preload system that was missing and brought everything I could find up to HTML5 standards. :) Thanks for your unofficial support here. :) — {{U|Technical 13}} 23:52, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	Hi, Just wanted to say a massive thank you for sorting out my talkpage coding - I'm surprised you even done it but also very grateful so thank you - Very much appreciated :) Thanks, Regards, –Davey2010 • (talk) 18:05, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi

Hi Technical 13, I hope you don't mind me pointing out a discrepancy. In your arb com election nomination, you stated that you are father of three children. But in your userpage you have listed three daughters and one son.--Vigyani_talk 07:07, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

• Vigyani, I can certainly see how that would be confusing. I have a cat, my userpage is a more casual environment than a candidate's statement page for ArbCom, and I love my cat like a daughter, so I counted her as a daughter at the time. I've adjusted the count on my userpage to be clear. Of my other children, My son is 17, my older daughter is 16, and my youngest just turned 3. I believe you can see images of my children (and my cat) on my FaceBook page if you so desired. Happy editing! — {{U|Technical 13}} 16:22, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks :). Yeah I navigated to your facebook page and saw the photos. :) . Good luck with the ArbCom election. --Vigyani_talk 04:54, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

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Copyright checks when performing AfC reviews

The issue is in rather large numbers of copyright violations ("copyvios") making their way through AfC reviews without being detected (even when easy to check, and even when hallmarks of copyvios in the text that should have invited a check, were glaring). A second issue is the correct method of dealing with them when discovered.

If you don't do so already, I'd like to ask for your to help with this problem by taking on the practice of performing a copyvio check as the first step in any AfC review. The most basic method is to simply copy a unique but small portion of text from the draft body and run it through a search engine in quotation marks. Trying this from two different paragraphs is recommended. (If you have any question about whether the text was copied from the draft, rather than the other way around (a "backwards copyvio"), the Wayback Machine is very useful for sussing that out.)

If you do find a copyright violation, please do not decline the draft on that basis. Copyright violations need to be dealt with immediately as they may harm those whose content is being used and expose Misplaced Pages to potential legal liability. If the draft is substantially a copyvio, and there's no non-infringing version to revert to, please mark the page for speedy deletion right away using {{db-g12|url=URL of source}}. If there is an assertion of permission, please replace the draft article's content with {{subst:copyvio|url=URL of source}}.

Some of the more obvious indicia of a copyvio are use of the first person ("we/our/us..."), phrases like "this site", or apparent artifacts of content written for somewhere else ("top", "go to top", "next page", "click here", use of smartquotes, etc.); inappropriate tone of voice, such as an overly informal tone or a very slanted marketing voice with weasel words; including intellectual property symbols (™,®); and blocks of text being added all at once in a finished form with no misspellings or other errors.

I hope this message finds you well and thanks again you for your efforts in this area. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:20, 18 November 2014 (UTC).

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• Fuhghettaboutit, I really wish you would have gotten a hold of me before sending out this mass message. I actually have a userscript (User:Technical 13/Scripts/CVD.js) that is extremely useful in making it easy to detect copyvios. I've asked multiple times for suggestions for improvement, and have gotten little back. At this point, I'm guessing the best thing to do to get the word out is to send out a follow-up MMs before too long so letting people know about the script and how to set it up and use it, and then see if any replies come in. I've got some more features I want to add and then we can work-up a new MMs newsletter together. Happy editing! — {{U|Technical 13}} 03:15, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

OK, I';ve looked at your script, and judging by the code, it suffers from the same basic problems as all other scripts: one on hand, it can only detect what is open to search engines on the internet, which is a very limited set of the material that might be copied. On the other, it doesn't seem to distinguish copying of fragments or invariable material, and I don't think it catches reverse copyvio. I have yet to test it: it makes use of other good scripts, so it might have the benefits of all of them and do better than any of the other ones devised so far; if it's substantially better or even easier or faster , we might want to use it. But the real point is that all script based searches are intrinsically limited. They're just dumb regular expressions at heart, not actual self-learning AI. We need them, but they're just tools to gather partial data conveniently, not by themselves a remedy or a decision mechanism. DGG ( talk ) 04:35, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

• DGG, you've kind of lost me with this comment. All the script was intended to do was to scan the article for URLs used as references and then open new tabs in The Earwig's Copyvios report and Dcoetzee's Template:Dupdet. It has no real AI of it's own. Since CopyVios now does it's own scan of the article for URLs (took over a year to get that feature added), it now only opens one tab using that tool and, if toggled on, all of the dupdet tabs. If nothing else, it is still a useful sidebar link to access the toollab tools. — {{U|Technical 13}} 05:20, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

That's what I thought you were doing, and, as I just said a better interface would be a good thing; it would be nice to have one combined place to look. But I also thought you were gettting more ambitious and stretching the limits of what can be expected fro m these tools . I'm glad we understand things the same way. DGG ( talk ) 06:12, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

• My next planned step, DGG, is to make use of the toollabs:copyvios/api.json to add an idea of what that tool thinks is the likelyhood of the article being a CV. — {{U|Technical 13}} 09:29, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Great--I was planning to X-check against our actions, and see if wide discrepancies were possibly a mistake. Tho I do not think a number is necessarily useful in judging submission, it will be interesting to see if it might be. I'd be very willing to help by running checks against a sample of deleted items, tho of course there are non-WP dbs where they can be found by anyone. DGG ( talk ) 09:40, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Vandalism is not ok

Messing with somebody else's signature on purpose is not okay, ever, under any circumstances. Next time please let the editor who made the error fix it himself. I wanted to hear an explanation from Kudpung, not from you. I understand that ArbCom elections can cause editors to get a little weird. Please try to be more restrained. This will serve you well during the election season. Jehochman 09:11, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

• Technical13, just because you're unlikely to get feedback from others on something this unimportant, thought I'd say that you're 100% right about this, and Jehochman is 100% wrong. --Floquenbeam (talk) 12:19, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
• Floquenbeam, do you really know another editors intentions with such 100% certainty? What I know is that another editor replaced my username in my signature with a snark to make a point. It's up to that editor to excuse himself and say if it was a mistake or not. Until then, I am going on appearances. Why don't you go say something to him since you seem to want to help. Jehochman 12:48, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

I'm talking to Technical13, not you. If you want to talk to me, I have a talk page. --Floquenbeam (talk) 13:02, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Floquenbeam, you're talking about me, so I am going to answer you here. If you don't want to hear from me, don't talk about me, and don't jump into a conversation that I've started. Jehochman 13:24, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Oh, fine, hopefully T13 doesn't mind me hijacking his talk page too much. Don't lecture me about not knowing 100% what another editor was thinking, and then tell me you did what you did because you know what they were thinking. It's hypocritical. Or at least if you're going to do that, try to be right about it. @Kudpung: and I disagree about a lot of things, but I am confident he/she is not vandalizing your signature, I'm sure the cursor went somewhere they didn't mean it to. That happens to people all the time. You embarrass yourself assuming they did it on purpose, are violating a policy you appear to hold dear when it is applied to other editors, and needlessly escalating it into a whole thing, to the detriment of everyone involved. T13 tried to handle this with a minimum of fuss, which should be encouraged, not whined about. You are in the wrong here, and owe T13 and Kudpung an apology. --Floquenbeam (talk) 13:36, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

• (edit conflict × 2) Hey guys! Thanks for stopping by!

  Jehochman, disrupting a discussion over something that was almost certainly an unfortunate chain of events that resulted in one of the links to your userspace being broken was simply unacceptable to me. I understand you wanted to hear an explanation from Kudpung saying what happened, assuming he knows how it happened, but a more appropriate course of action would have been to fix the link to your user page and start a new section on his talk page asking him. It certainly wouldn't have been appropriate for him to give you an explanation in an edit summary which extremely limits the number of characters allowed and doesn't allow for pinging.

  Floquenbeam, thank you very much for stopping by, and I appreciate your comments here. I don't see it as a "who's right or wrong" but more of a "what's done is done, how can we move forward in a productive manner".

  Anyways, I think that this topic on this talk page has reached a point where it is concluded (as I have no interest in pursuing it any further) and I would suggest that follow up discussions take place on whomsoever's talk page is appropriate. Thank you and happy editing! — {{U|Technical 13}} 13:36, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

• Thank you, Technical 13. Of course I will honor your request. Jehochman 13:40, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

hi, can you help

hi I noticed you once answered at the Village Pump, ( but recently, last 4 days, I haven't gotten anywhere there) , the "revision history statistics " link is down,its at "External tools" in page histories at the English Misplaced Pages for users with en or en-gb as language. It's made by https://en.wikipedia.org/MediaWiki:Histlegend and goes to https://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools/ec/.. I would fix or help fix it , I need it to see how the page edits and bytes added are going on the article I work on thank you--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 13:12, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Ozzie10aaaa (talk · contribs) is referring to Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical)/Archive 132#revision history statistics; answers have been posted there and in the following section, Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical)#So.... --Redrose64 (talk) 17:38, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Wikimedia genealogy project

Thanks for swinging by my talk page! I noticed you are a member of WikiProject Genealogy. I am curious, have you seen tho discussion? You might consider sharing your thought and/or encouraging other members of WP Genealogy to give feedback. The more people participate in the conversation, the better. Thanks for your consideration. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:15, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

• AB, thanks for stopping by and notifying me of that discussion. Has anyone in the project considered sending out a mass message to the members of the project to improve the level of discussion? Before that is done though, I will say that visiting the page and reading the sections above the support/oppose/neutral sections, I have no clue what is being proposed or asked for. While those members of the project that may have contributed to the previous discussions on the topic may know exactly what is going on, this is the first real discussion I've ever seen the project have. Perhaps the "proposal" / "problem statement" should be expanded to give some more details of exactly what the problem, history, and desired outcome(s) are? — {{U|Technical 13}} 22:34, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
  • I don't believe mass messages have been sent out, though I do vaguely recall posting a notification on the WP Genealogy talk page. The Meta-Wiki page I linked above really just began as a place to centralize discussion related to a potential Wikimedia genealogy project. Discussions have taken place before, but stalled. This was an opportunity to discuss options, voice support or concerns, etc. There is more on the talk page. If you can think of ways to frame the discussion better, either on the project page itself or its talk page, please feel free to make improvements or galvanize brainstorming. Thus far, there are not specific proposals, but more votes on the concept. The talk page is where people are starting to go further into detail. It would also be nice to get people from existing genealogy projects to join the discussion. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:41, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

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Precious

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Thank you, snuggling user who likes to help people and received technical progressive brilliant kind diplomacy stars, for evaluating AfC drafts, for welcoming new users personally and at the teahouse, for smileys and intelligent reading of diffs, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:59, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

(by talk page stalker) I believe I would have to ditto that. :>) – Paine  21:18, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 48, 2014)

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Regarding Multiple Sandbox

Hello! Technical 13, earlier, at my very early age in wikipedia, someone has created a multipla sandbox header for my en.wikipedia. Latterly I get understand that, it was you. Obliged. Hence, in recent days, I am feeling necessity of such a multiple header sandbox once again but not for en.wikipedia but bn.wikipedia. Please, this time let me understand how to create such a multiple header sandbox. My user page in Bengali is: ]. May I... Sufidisciple (talk) 09:45, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure

Hi Technical 13. In reply to this edit summary, yes, that was an edit conflict. Sorry for accidentally removing your comment. Thank you for your carefully explained WP:ANRFC closes! Cunard (talk) 02:18, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

• Cunard, no problem, as many times as I've accidentally removed comments from others due to (edit conflict) notification failures (or even times when it works right but my edit is so comprehensive it is easier to just fix the other user's comment after the fact (which never happens of course except in theory)). I expect that I'll be closing a few more in the next few days as well. I actually quite enjoy reading all of the arguments back and forth and determining consensus, when consensus exists. — {{U|Technical 13}} 02:31, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

• That is great to hear! ANRFC could use many more thoughtful closers who are willing to explain their closes in detail. I've heard in the past that closing discussions was a thankless task (link), but I am glad to hear that you, like I JethroBT (talk · contribs) here, find it fun and rewarding. On the few occasions that I've closed discussions (one example), I've enjoyed doing them too. It is rewarding to help resolve disputes. Cunard (talk) 02:42, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
  • C, is there a userscript available to make the technical component of closing these discussions easier? I know there are scripts for XfD discussions, and I'm wondering if you know if there is one available for this. Thanks. — {{U|Technical 13}} 14:00, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
    • I don't know of a userscript for closing these RfC discussion, sorry! Cunard (talk) 00:09, 26 November 2014 (UTC)