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Same Afghan POV, taking content disputes to administrator noticeboards for getting editors blocked with baseless allegations. Calling every one a sock puppet. Looks to be a behavior and pattern match to me. Asking for a CU, and also pinging {{u|Magog the Ogre}}, he has much in dealing with this guy in previous SPI (archives). <span style="border:2px solid #000;background:#000">]]</span> 15:26, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
*To me only a sock can make his at ANI calling another user as a sock. He brought a . He his sock-master by calling all users with usernames starting with "]" as my socks. Content dispute be solved at the appropriate talk-pages or dispute resolution or third-party comments. Has some nationalistic Afghan viewpoint and in his last , he accused all Pakistanis of terrorism and Pakistan as a terrorist sponsoring state from the point of view of . <span style="border:2px solid #000;background:#000">]]</span> 17:37, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

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Nice try but I'm not a sockpuppet of anyone, a totally new editor who happens to be interested in some Afghan topics, according to Faizan, everyone who edits an Afghan page is a sockpuppet. I repeatedly told admins in the past at ANI board that my first edits were nominating an unfree image of Mullah Omar which got deleted along with my first edits. You can accuse me all you want but it will show that I'm not abusing multiple accounts or using IPs disruptively. While admin does a CU on me, I request that a CU be done on Faizan and on ] just to clear things up. These guys are not here to build Misplaced Pages but to fight with anyone who they believe is Afghan or Indian.--] (]) 20:14, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
:You and your buddy have asked it before in same Zarb e Azb topic. Will you ask every day now? --] (]) 20:20, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
::He's not my buddy. You can request a CU on me every day, I don't mind it because I don't have any reason to use more than one account. My issue with you two is not using more than one account, it's you being aggressive P.O.V pushers falsifying articles and edit-warring with people who are not Pakistanis. An editor could use more than one account as long as he/she doesn't do what you two are doing, falsifying information and then create a ].--] (]) 20:47, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
:::You said that before as well . --] (]) 21:18, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

::::Wouldn't you agree that are very strange for a new editor? suggests that you're in eastern Australia (likely ''Brisbane''), the same place where {{User|Saladin1987}} is editing from (will provide diffs if requested to). You're on the same interesting mission, with TheSawTooth you're wrongly adding "Afghan terrorists" and with Saladin1987 you're removing "Afghan" origins from famous Indian people. You may think that's slickness but it's only childish and very stupid because Misplaced Pages is not the only source. It is giving Pakistani editors an ugly image.--] (]) 22:11, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

:::::I see nothing wrong in his first edits. Infact he started off just like a new beginner, not on ANI accusing someone of socking like you did. Even if he is in Australia (Whatsoever), when you will abandon your ancient primitive habit of accusing others of socking? <span style="border:2px solid #000;background:#000">]]</span> 08:50, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
::::::I didn't ask you. No, per my opinion he started off pretending to be a new beginner. I told you that my first edits were deleted so they were not on ANI. And that guy I reported at ANI (]) got himself blocked and then created this new name (]), clearly he's up to something (see also ]) and my report on him was justified due to his strange and aggressive behavior. I was accused of sockpuppeting by his friend (]) but the case was dismissed (]), well, he attempted to see if I was using sockpuppets. You're now accusing me of sockpuppeting so I guess you and every body else making sock accusations are also Lagoo sab? Him being a Pakistani, living in Australia, adding "Afghan terrorists" and removing sourced references to Afghan from famous Indians means that he is disrupting Misplaced Pages and should be blocked. In this case you guys are acting as a gang of aggressive pro-Pakistani P.O.V. pushers falsifying information and then reporting anyone who tries to fix your falsification. I'm confused why admins are turning blind eye on you, maybe they don't want to be involved with Pakistani related topics and I don't blame them on that. Pakistani pages are all a mess.--] (]) 12:29, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
*Look sock of Lagoo sab has same behavior of calling everyone sock puppet on talkpage. Check Krazyhorse's IP with checkuser. --] (]) 14:00, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
**You mean the part that talks about ] being in Brisbane, Australia, like you and Saladin1987 and abusing multiple accounts? Well, thanks for bringing that here, it advances my suspicion about you abusing multiple accounts. I request that admins also check you and Faizan because I don't feel like starting a new SPI.--] (]) 20:05, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
***These diffs pertain to one Pakistani editor who is abusively and disruptively using multiple accounts and he connects through Telstra Internet from Brisbane, Australia. (notice the "au" (Australia) at the google book link he posted), it means he's in Australia something most people don't catch. I have a feeling that TheSawTooth is connected to this person. Faizan stated above "Even if he is in Australia (Whatsoever)" and TheSawTooth didn't even try to deny it. He is using one account to remove Afghan references from famous Indians and another account which was created less than a month ago to attack Afghans.--] (]) 20:40, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Krazy horse you are confirming your behavior. One more point:
*"I recommend TheSawTooth be blocked for disruption"
*"I also feel that Faizan be blocked for P.O.V. pushing"
*"I recommend that you and Mar4d be blocked until you reform"
It is the same style of writing of Krazy and Kiftaan. Hence left hand side is equal to right hand side. Thus proved Lagoo sab is puppetmaster of Krazy horse and Kiftaan. ---] (]) 20:55, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

*:Should I write in Chinese language in order not to be suspected as another editor? You know so much about puppet masters. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that almost every Pakistani editor is a puppet master and that includes you. Using more than one screen name is one thing (which is allowed in certain situations), and if I used another name in the past maybe I thought Misplaced Pages was a social network like Facebook but I'm only using one name. That's understandable and many have used more than one name. However, using more than one name to deliberately falsify articles is a clear cut violation. That's what you and Faizan are doing and I can't help but to expose you. It's funny how you were created less than a month ago and you know so much about a blocked editor over one year ago. This alone confirms that you're in fact puppet master.--] (]) 21:02, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
:::Every past action of puppet master is in archive it is not hard. I am new not stupid. :)) ---] (]) 19:48, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

::::], you're an ignorant fool. I don't know why you are still allowed to edit on Misplaced Pages, especially topics relating to Afghan, Indian or Pakistani culture after you declared these people "corrupt", diff here: . Hilarious given that you are mainly editing articles relating to Afghanistan and apart of WikiProject Afghanistan. I asked to be blocked for 3 months on ] for my own reasons. I now no longer need the block, but the block still stands, hence why I created this account to circumvent it. I know ] is the same person as me. Why do you think I put a disclaimer on this account (]) which states this?... I also have something to add to this discussion. ] randomly appeared on the article ] on the 20th of September , after ] tried to remove images that I had uploaded to the article, by declaring them to be un-free and copyright violations despite their blatant fair use rationales , . ] removed them off the article citing no reason,, and no activity has been listed on his article after the 25th of September when I removed one of the images myself to compromise . This is highly suspicious and abnormal behavior, and no doubt if they are both socks there will be more of these accounts that ] has employed on other articles to subtly spread his wack POV. ] (]) 11:01, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
:::::I enjoy how everyone hates me, but I don't enjoy having conversations with males, I prefer females (I love women). Like Taylor Swift says in her song haters gonna hate, hate, hate... I'm just gonna shake, shake, shake. Haha. I'm not Maxforwind and I'm not using sockpuppets, if another person behaves and acts like me what's wrong with that? Is that a crime? What baffles me is why are Pakistanis and Iranians targeting this Lagoo sab? I mean what did he do that got you guys so hostile to him? If this was a real life event, he would have sued you. Just saying, lecturing you about U.S. laws and not making any legal threats, because in America you cannot target people based on race, religion or nationality. Courts take such issues very serious.--] (]) 15:01, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

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*{{onhold}} - This is not an endorsement or decline, just a hold for the time being. Background processes going on. -- ] ] 17:50, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
*The diffs presented do not consist of evidence. Simply accusing ''any'' person of being a sock is not an indication of sockpuppetry, it's usally the accusation of the same person. There is barely any actual diffs back to the sockmaster, and this is conjecture. Furthermore, from previous Kryzhorse interactions on an administrative level, I can tell you there is no evidence in CU to indicate abuse of multiple accounts. This matter and the retalitory sock allegations are to be considered closed. {{ping|Krzyhorse22|StanMan87}} I warn you both to be more civil and to not ] like you did here. Further violations of that policy will result in blocks. -- ] ] 17:23, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
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Lagoo sab

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Report date July 26 2009, 04:58 (UTC)
Suspected sockpuppets


Evidence submitted by Enric Naval

IP is causing disruption similar to how NisarKand does. NisarKand uses that IP range, see suspected socks and past CU request. See an example from sock User:Banigul, he always touches topics of Pashtun ascentry, and removes facts about Pashto having borrowings and origins from other languages

I notice recent activity from that IP range in Silvia Lancome, a typical target of Misarkand. See this from 119.73.4.123 in 11th July, which is similar to this from 119.30.69.117 in October 2008, and that IP was tagged as a suspect sock of NisarKand.

This could also be a sock of User:Khampalak, who wrote another section about Bactrian descent.

I have tagged the IP. See Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/NisarKand for how a few socks were many times found when checkusering, so please run checkuser.

Ugh, and the other side, 94.219.218.20 (talk · contribs), could be User:Beh-nam, he always accuses people of being socks of NisarKand.

Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.
Comments by other users


CheckUser requests
Checkuser request – code letter: E (Community ban/sanction evasion )
Current status – Completed: Reviewed by a Checkuser, results and comments are below.    Requested by Enric Naval (talk) 04:58, 26 July 2009 (UTC)



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Conclusions
This case has been marked as closed. It has been archived automatically.
27 July 2010
Suspected sockpuppets


Evidence submitted by Ariana310

User:Ahmed shahi was blocked indefinitely but since then has used several sockpuppet accounts (check Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet_investigations/Ahmed_shahi/Archive) to edit Afghanistan related articles. I suspect he is now using the IP 119.73.7.124. Both accounts try to push the same set of POVs; and in addition their style of writing are quite similar. In all cases, 119.73.7.124 has good knowledge of how things are carried on in wikipedia, and is surely a sockpuppet of another user account. Ariana (talk) 13:29, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

He is also using another IP address of Special:Contributions/119.73.8.27, but at the end of his writing in the Talk pages, he/she manually writes its older IP address (119.73.7.124), for example in here. Ariana (talk) 19:52, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
The reason I suspected Special:Contributions/119.73.8.27 to be a sockpuppet of another account, is that apart from pushing the same set of POVs as User:Ahmed shahi and/or User:NisarKand, it directly engaged in edit-war in the Afghanistan article. My attempt to resolve the issue in the Talk:Afghanistan#119.73.7.124.27s_edits was not successful, because although he/she was unable to back his/her claims by reliable sources, he/she does not accept the outcome of the discussion, despite the fact that uninvolved third party editors gave their comments through Misplaced Pages:Third opinion. He/She is still reverting the sourced material in Afghanistan. And he automatically reported me in WK:ANI (Trouble_with_user_Ariana301), where the case was closed, and two times in WK:ANEW (here and here). Ariana (talk) 10:14, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

It seems he has changed again the IP address, and is now using Special:Contributions/210.2.177.244. He made edits with this IP over the same subject (Afghanistan's Foreign relations and military). I made a WHOIS for this IP, and it comes exactly for the same server in Islamabad, Pakistan. Although he has received warning for disruptive behaviour in the past (see User_talk:210.2.177.244), his latest edits in Afghanistan article were constructive. But what is annoying is that he reported me for "vandalism" and 3RR in WK:AVI (here) just as he did with his older IP address. I thought to mention it here which might help the administrator in his/her decision. Ariana (talk) 16:54, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties   

See Defending yourself against claims.

Have you considered the fact that Pakistan has about 177 million people and that "Nisar" and "Ahmad" are one of the most common names in Pakistan? It's like John and Michael in America. My internet provider has millions of customers and many of them use Misplaced Pages editing mainly Pakistan related articles, including neighboring countries sometimes. Not to mention that 1.7 million Afghan refugees live here and I guess they also edit Afghanistan pages.--119.73.8.27 (talk) 01:29, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

You use 3 year old data against me? When someone who is not doing anything other than edit-warring on Misplaced Pages and violates 3rr in front of my face I think at that point I'll be some how forced to report the person. I did that and now you claim I'm someone who she had problems with 3 years ago. I'm not the only one that Ariana310 engaged in edit-warring. We Pakistanis are always mistreated everywhere, you just find any old excuse to get us with. We are being opressed even in Misplaced Pages by people who are seeing their nations go down slowly because of their nonsense and non-working foreign policies.--119.73.8.27 (talk) 07:07, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
Comments by other users
Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments

 Clerk declined CU should generally not be used to tie links between IPs and accounts, per Misplaced Pages:CheckUser#IP information disclosure, the case has therefore been declined for checkuser attention. That aside, we seem to be onto something interesting here. The IPs listed are from the range 119.73.0.0/20 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial)), that range has just recently come out of a 3 month block which resulted from it's abusive use by sockpuppeteer NisarKand (talk · contribs) (who also focuses on Afghanistan related articles). Given that that range block was set with account creation disabled it seems unlikely that the IP range was/is being used by Ahmed shahi (talk · contribs), as he has been creating accounts while the range block was in place. However, the range should probably be re-blocked, as it seems that NisarKand is still using it (now that the block has expired). Hopefully that all makes sense, although I'd recommend that an admin check over this with due care before taking action, since I'm not familiar with NisarKand. Regards, Spitfire 23:44, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

119.73.0.0/20 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial)) is an IP range of 4096 addresses. The fact that "Nisar" and "Ahmad" are common names is irrelevant. Behaviourally, you're continuing the same agenda against Ariana310 (talk · contribs) as NisarKand did back in 2007 WP:DUCK. Spitfire 05:05, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
I am considering an extension of the rangeblock of 119.73.0.0/20 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial)) for another six months, and including a block of 210.2.177.244 (talk · contribs). While sockpuppet investigation is not an exact science, when the accused person responds with the exact style of rhetoric that you were expecting from a nationalist warrior, and is in dispute with the same person (Ariana310) that NisarKand was fighting in 2007, it doesn't lessen your suspicion. There is a related comment over at WP:AN3. EdJohnston (talk) 17:26, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
PeterSymonds has reblocked 119.73.0.0/20 (block range · block log (global) · WHOIS (partial)) for one year. I've blocked 210.2.177.244 (talk · contribs) for one year, since I notice a previous block of that IP as a sock of NisarKand for three months in 2009. EdJohnston (talk) 01:51, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

 Clerk note: please note that this case was originally opened at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Ahmed shahi. Spitfire 17:40, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

21 December 2010
Suspected sockpuppets

Taken from lost October request

Added from comments below

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See Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/NisarKand; it appears there was a lost case a few months ago, for which checkuser evidence would be enlightening. Please note I am not necessarily accusing Lagoo sab of anything, simply processing the diligence required of an admin when he is asked to mediate an edit war. Magog the Ogre (talk) 19:28, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Regarding users Lagoo Sab, Jrsko, Kaddoo:

user:Kaddoo has raised my antenna for sockpuppeteering. He reported my speaker population dispute with Lagoo Sab on 3RR despite not editing any of the articles Lagoo Sab and I are editing while at the same time throwing sockpuppet accusation into the arena ]. The 3RR was quickly investigated by Magog tO. Kaddoo registered in June 2010. After editing in 5 different, Afghanistan related articles, he reported Inuit18 as a vandal. . They both have intersect edits in 2 articles . However, prior to his vandal report, the users did not edit the same articles . Kaddoo has older knowledge about Inuits vandalism, pointing toward a more involved editor. At the same time, Kaddoo reports user Tajik for SPI with whom he as intersect edits of 4 articles and didn't edit any of the same articles prior to his report . Kaddoo keeps adding new suspects which seems to me to point towards a longer history with WP then visible at first sight. He also adds what I think is a template to other user pages he suspects to be user: Tajik. . I haven't edited any of the same articles as Kaddoo, but he was the one who reported me as violating 3RR when having a dispute with Lagoo Sab about speaker population figures and supporting sources. It is also noteworthy that Lagoo Sab keeps speculating about my identity (see above ANI for diffs) I believe Inuit18 was one of the users I am supposed to be amongst several others.
Evidence regarding edit behavior of Kaddoo, Lagoo Sab, Jrsko: . This is a collection of all edits sind user registration. Noticable is, despite editing in the same field, there are hardly any intersect edits: 0 intersects 7 intersects 0 intersects.
All is incommon, that they have an aversion to Tajiks, Shiites and call persian POV to whoever is not editing in their favor.
Evidence presented:
Lagoo Sab: 02:28, 6 December 2010 (diff | hist) Pashto language (’Official Status: rvv, Chartinael = anti-Pashtun POV-pusher, this article is about "Pashto" NOT about your Dari language and I know you're a Tajik ethnocentric) (if you need to read up with more diffs on my dispute with Lagoo Sab on figures and sources:
Jrkso identity questioning: I feel that User:JCAla, User:Tajik, and User:Cabolitae should not remove the tags since they belong to the same particular group.--Jrkso (talk) 12:50, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Further noticable user pages of Jrkso is a one liner as is Kaddoo.
Kaddoo: 14:11, 10 August 2010 (diff | hist) N User:Kaddoo ‎ (←Created page with 'Hi, I'm an American serving in U.S. military in Afghanistan. I train Afghans.') (top)
Jrkso: 02:03, 2 November 2009 Jrkso (talk | contribs) (49 bytes) (←Created page with 'My name is Jason, and I work for a media company.')

Chartinael (talk) 13:33, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Kaki joe. I am not sure, why no intersect edits come up with Lagoo Sab, although both have edited the same articles, namely Afghanistan and Pashto are shared articles for sure. nor here . His data is not included in the xls-file provided above. Chartinael (talk) 13:48, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

User:Lagoo Sab is a sockpuppet of User:Ketabtoon. I contacted him through a just created account and his email and introduced myself as one of his allies and talked with him about the Pashtun-Tajik-Hazara editwars here on Misplaced Pages and told him I would support him against infidel Hazaras and sellout Tajiks. In return he told me creating at least two accounts and use them alternating. Further, he said between both account´s usage should be at least 3month break for not beeing identified as sockpuppet. He himself told me Ketabtoon is another account of him which is used on his cousins computer. Now it´s your duty as admin and guard of Misplaced Pages´s policy to do something against him. I can pass on his message to you if you wish.--94.219.98.69 (talk) 07:24, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

This is indeed a serious accusation, but I am not sure if the way you are presenting it is acceptable. Signing out and then commenting as an IP editor makes the impression that there is not much behind that accusation. If you have such an Email, you should forward it to the responsible admins (see list below). You should also tell them your real Misplaced Pages account (I do not think there is a need to tell the whole community your actual account). Tajik (talk) 11:18, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Before it leads to a wrong assumptation I am neither a Hazara or Uzbek nor a Tajik or Arab, Kashmiri or whatever. I know that Misplaced Pages became a play-ground for all kind of nationalistic bias and I do not welcome such tendencies, be they from my own people, Hazaras, Turks or Tajiks, Arabs, Americans, Dutchs or Indians. It´s a shame for everyone of us to show ourself as sociel illiterate individuals on the world stage of information acquisition to all kind of poeple, particular to the western world you claim beeing and got your educate from. Maybe you should go and live for 2 weeks in Kongo or India where you don´t have money to food or water to wash yourself or a safe place. Where will this war on Misplaced Pages, media, politics, X, Y, Z lead us? What do you await from it? If you have some complexes than go to psychiatry and get some help. I do not say to stand for the correct policy of Misplaced Pages but I can´t stand it when people, obviously even from the same country and the same race, tear themself to pieces just because they do not want to accept other opinions. Who cares what XYZ did in the past and to whom XYZ belong. What do you hope for? That your situation turns better or that your countries getting more attention from the world? If that´s so than you seems beeing very pathetic. Not the history of a nation make him special but his DAILY contributions and DAILY outputs (Turkey, India, South-Korea, Japan, China, Indonesia, South Africa) for a better TOMORROW. Those who dropped off their sick visions and started to live in TODAY and not still in YESTERDAY, they just gained good (Turkey, India, South-Korea, Japan, China, Indonesia, South Africa) from all part of the world. You people suffered to much because of your lost identities (IDless>Identity Crysis) and thus you turned your own country to hell with millions of innocent deaths, millions of replaced people, the highest death rate, the before-last country on earth. Get a bit civilised. Misplaced Pages´s reader are not only some 14 years old boys and girls. It became in the last 5 years the most important reference to all government institution for all countries along the globe. What do you guess those politicians and diplomats think about you when they read your all kind of crap here, a tool of the western world, actually made for the civilised western world and the Air Force, that you rubbish it here now and today and you will keep on in tomorrow as well. That´s sick and smells! I appreciate you to excuse my crudeness to some Wikipedians here.

@Tajik You are not better than the rest of the many clowns here. I don´t want to share my time with you or you-alike guys. You are a shame for civility and Misplaced Pages. Your way to talk with them and providing sources is not wrong, but pick holes on someone and come up with your well-known that´s POV and that´s not, this is PPP and this is DDD. What is wrong with you. You are not better than them and not all your sources can be correct. References from others are wrong, except yours who are God-gaven from God to you. Grow up, boy. I also do not care if the admin ban those (including you) guys or not, but my parent´s did not teached me to blame others (this option a ultima ratio). When I contacted the person I just wanted to know if he is one of some known and already banned Users and a sockpuppet of Ketabtoon, who further, indeed, is of banned User:NisarKand and his thousand other socks. Your request telling my Account is not acceptable. Maybe I ant use it one day and it´s very easy to personate me as a sock of IP XYZ 10-5 which possibly would be a reason to block me, while the real vandalists are occuring here days and nights. But I am ready to present my email (shabirdurani@rocketmail.com). If anyone have any questions they are free to ask and contact me through my mail but don´t expect from me letting someone go into the knife which would be only my last action if there´s no view taling place.

@Admin Sometimes I do edit some articles, only minor faults or nationalistic POVs, but since Afghanistan-related articles have no own guards or at the best at least two Admins, those Users reedite those articles again. A sign that Misplaced Pages failed. Please take also a look on this, where Lagoo Sab is already linked to NisarKand and Bani Gul. Isn´t strange one get blocked and banned on Misplaced Pages and not one day later, another User registers do the same POVs and changes without any reactions of the admins?

Good morning--94.219.98.69 (talk) 12:30, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

OK, if that's not a violation of WP:PA, then I do not know what it is ... Tajik (talk) 13:29, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
Comments by other users

Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

The editor Inuit18 (talk · contribs) who added my name in the October 2010 CU request is a banned editor . fish CheckUser is not for fishing, listing me here is considered fishing because I didn't violate anything. Instead, what I did was provide a valid argument in the talk pages of 2 articles (Talk:Languages of Afghanistan#Problem with CIA estimates for languages of Afghanistan and Talk:Afghanistan#Problem with CIA estimates for languages of Afghanistan) so that the info is corrected. To thank me for this, User:Magog the Ogre decided to report me here. Seems to me that nobody follow rules, each person makes up own rules as they go along, and I feel this is a revenge to give me a bad name even though I'm improving articles in Misplaced Pages. I am against incorrect information presented as a fact in Misplaced Pages. As a result of too many mistakes and errors accepted by the west (America and NATO countries), they are now suffering and slowly going down the drain while countries in Asia are rising to the top.--Lagoo sab (talk) 20:40, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Please assume good faith - especially given my words above. If you're not the same person, you have nothing to worry about. Magog the Ogre (talk) 21:55, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
There is nothing for me to be afraid of or be worried about, I think I should be allowed to defend myself in each and every circumstance in my own free words. I felt this because you didn't bother to investigate the other editors who are all sharing the same POV and displaying a strong connection. Instead, you chose me so I needed to highlight this.--Lagoo sab (talk) 22:14, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Oh really? Magog the Ogre (talk) 22:32, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
I would like to add another name to the check-list: User:Jrkso. Tajik (talk) 22:42, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Is it possible to add a name? If so, user:Kaddoo has raised my antenna for sockpuppeteering. He reported my speaker population dispute with Lagoo Sab on 3RR despite not editing any of the articles Lagoo Sab and I are editing while at the same time throwing sockpuppet accusation into the arena ]. Now that doesn't mean much, however, after just a few edits following account creation end of June this year he accused user Tajik of sockpuppeteering calling it an ongoing issue with Tajik since 2006 and keeps adding new suspects which seems to me to point towards a longer history with WP then visible at first sight. He also adds what I think is a template to other user pages he suspects to be user: Tajik. . It is also noteworthy that Lagoo Sab keeps speculating about my identity. I believe Inuit was one of the users I am supposed to be. Chartinael (talk) 23:05, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Guys, I haven't looked at the content of either of these, but do other characteristics like editing style fit the glove? If not, I'm worried that indeed this is becoming a weapon to use against an opponent (e.g., checkuser is not for fishing). Why the hell can't you guys just fucking talk the issue over on the talk pages instead of spreading the issue like a wildfire across so many pages and making it all personal? Magog the Ogre (talk) 23:10, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
I am not familiar with this procedure and what to look for. I found it odd that somebody I have never encountered before accuses me of having a connection with other users. I have noted, that Kaddoo likes to format his references identical to Lagoo Sab, I have no clue as to who or how the other user in question as to whose sock Lagoo might possibly be has edited. I only connected Lagoo to Kaddoo because of the 3RR back in October you responded to. Chartinael (talk) 23:14, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Alright. Magog the Ogre (talk) 23:21, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Just remembered, I explained something relating to October 2010 CU here which should also be examined. Thanks--Lagoo sab (talk) 00:21, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Okay, everyone stop. This is not the right venue to have your battles; we're here to discuss the plausibility of running a checkuser to compare Lagoo sab to other people. First, someone needs to update the Suspected sockpuppets section above to list the potential sockpuppets. After that, all I want is a concise explanation (preferably using diffs) to explain why we should look into those editors as being potential socks. And then I (or another clerk) will determine whether or not a CU is needed. Until then, take your bickering elsewhere. — HelloAnnyong 00:16, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Is the list you are referring to the one on top of this page? Or the one on the October request for NisarKand? Do you mean to add the names there can be done by anyone, like myself? And then to point out specific thoughts as to why this appears plausible? Does my reasoning above suffice or does it have to be more detailled? Chartinael (talk) 00:28, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Yes, the one on the top of the page. I'm not concerned with the NisarKand request anymore. And yes, anyone who wants to speak up in favor of a CU request here and can provide evidence to back it up may add. — HelloAnnyong 00:35, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Ok, will do that tomorrow. Too late now on my side of the globe. Chartinael (talk) 00:39, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Just a note: I have added Haidarabas.safi (talk · contribs) to the list. Tajik (talk) 02:35, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
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 Confirmed as each other:

 Confirmed as each other:

Red X Unrelated to each other or to any of the above:

As far as I see on the technical end, there is no relation between the two groups of confirmed users. No comment with regards to any suspected IP addresses. –MuZemike 00:48, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

01 January 2011
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Procedural request for tracking purposes. User is already blocked. Nakon 02:41, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

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In the future, it's not necessary to report every confirmed sock here (WP:NOTBURO), especially since it was already tagged and blocked as such. –MuZemike 02:42, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

12 January 2011
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Again. Among two issues, we have someone pushing the certain POV on Pashtun peoples and misuse of the term vandalism. There is one other issue that has me concerned, which I will not note out loud per WP:BEANS (but can do for another admin/CU upon request).

If this was a new user I'd be sure of the connection, but Xinjao has been around a while, unlike LS. However, who knows who the sockmaster is? Magog the Ogre (talk) 03:07, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

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Hi Magog, I doubt the association. This user does not try to UP the figures for Pashtuns, declaring everyone Pathan Pashtun. His edits appear founded and he uses the talk page to address others whose edits he/she views as problematic. Regards. छातीऀनाएल - chartinael (talk) 12:11, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

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I probably didn't need to check, but since my assumption was wrong the last time in this case (There was indeed socking when I didn't expect it), I went ahead; Xinjao is Red X Unrelated. –MuZemike 15:50, 14 January 2011 (UTC)


30 January 2011
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Yet another user popping up out of the ether to edit war in LS's style. Magog the Ogre (talk) 01:47, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I added User: Afghan hero to the list. Maybe someone can check him also? I base my assumption on his contributions and his way of editing. JCAla (talk) 1 February 2011 (UTC)
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It means we weren't joking when we asked you to play by the rules or face banishment. Suggestion: go back to your old account, apologize, sit out for a while and play by the rules, and maybe the community will let you back in. Magog the Ogre (talk) 19:23, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
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Just to note that I've blocked the suspected sock for 24 hours for a 3RR violation. No comment on the socking atm. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:52, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Ranges may have too much traffic for a rangeblock. Another CU may wish to weigh in. -- Avi (talk) 05:59, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

15 April 2011
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User:She has a bird brain came to edit war in Lagoo sab's style. In the Hamid Karzai's article history he indirectly showed that he is no other than Lagoo sab by stating and making his typical (false) accusations: "JCAla you are showing your typical shia pov by being a sympathizer to them ..." (see here) There was no prior contact to the user so it is unlikely for any other person to state such things. You will also find that User:She has a bird brain edits exactly the same articles as did Lagoo sab with his countless socks. (see here) The other users named are very likely less-used sock accounts of Lagoo sab. See their contribution history. JCAla (talk) 08:38, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

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The following are  Confirmed as Lagoo sab:

The other accounts mentioned above are either  Unlikely or outright Red X Unrelated. –MuZemike 08:58, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

All the confirmed accounts are blocked, marking for close. TNXMan 14:22, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
15 April 2011
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I suspect that Cabolitae is using JCAla as a single-purpose account to edit for promotion, advocacy or other unsuitable agendas. Cabolitae stated on his page that he is from Afghanistan who is in France and edits Afghanistan articles and has added his name to the WikiProject Afghanistan members list as did JCAla, a user who is also Afghan and very familiar with France , both accounts edit the same Afghanistan articles.

JCAla and Cabolitae edit very similarly using the same level of English in talk pages from a location in France I believe, and they leave behind very similar comments in their edit summaries, immediately get into edit-war with anyone who changes their watched pages. Although they don't edit much, they sure appear to be watching the pages everyday, this elevates the level of my suspicion.

I believe that Cabolitae is using the JCAla account for personal political propaganda and to express his anger by bashing the U.S. and NATO-allied state of Pakistan and in the meantime to promote Ahmad Shah Massoud and the Northern Alliance, which is regarded in the mainstream media as a group of Category:Afghan warlords accused of ethnic cleansing and mass human rights violations, including killings, rapes and robberies. The official RAWA website is full of reports on that.

JCAla is very disruptive, he is turning Afghanistan related Misplaced Pages articles to his personal blog pages by copy pasting the same large portion of propaganda work that he prepared on all of them , which is cherry-picked to reflect his anti-Pakistan pro-Ahmad Shah Massoud/Northern Alliance POVs. It's against Misplaced Pages's policy to host JCAla who wants to spread his politically motivated propaganda messages, especially if he is used by someone as a sockpuppet. Both users have been blocked before for edit-warring on Afghanistan. I listed the IP to help with the investigation, it is from France and I'm very sure it was used by Cabolitae. She has a bird brain (talk) 06:52, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

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Go ahead, check it. Got nothing to hide. Other than that, be aware that User: She has a bird brain is more than likely just another sock of banned User: Lagoo sab. See his dozens of socks and the investigation here. Lagoo sab has systematically used dozens of accounts to further his political pro-Taliban stance and has engaged a variety of respected users in edit wars by simply restoring false information again and again. You will find that my two blocks for edit wars were when I was relatively new to wikipedia and both were in connection to countering political propaganda by his now-blocked sock account User: Jrkso (a fact then unknown to the blocking administrator). JCAla (talk) 15 April 2011 (UTC)

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  • information Administrator note - I am 95% sure this is Lagoo Sab, once again, making sockpuppet allegations, because, in fact, he is a career sockpuppeteer. I suggest the patrolling checkuser check on the reporter as well as the reported user. Magog the Ogre (talk) 08:35, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

I was already in the process of checking the reporter.  Confirmed She has a bird brain is User: Lagoo sab. Plus there are several more  Confirmed accounts on the IP:

The IP was already blocked for the anonymous editing from it. Dominic·t 08:51, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

I've copied Dominic's findings from Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Cabolitae, as Lagoo sab appears to be the sockmaster. TNXMan 14:39, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
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Possibly another sock of User:Lagoo sab. Same editing pattern on the same issues, with the same pov and same tendency towards edit warring. See i. e. , , or JCAla (talk) 09:15, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

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The reporter of this request is the banned User:Beh-nam, who has used 100s of sockpuppets. See Misplaced Pages:Requests for checkuser/Case/Beh-nam His location is Toronto, Canada. Please do a check on the report as well. He is the same racist ethnic Tajik and editing the same articles as Beh-nam used to edit. He calls everyone who oppose his view as Taliban. It is not right to see a banned editor report other people.--Hkrclu (talk) 14:23, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

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 Confirmed that

are the same and very likely She has a bird brain (talk · contribs), a previously blocked sock. Amalthea 10:00, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

12 June 2011
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Based on their edits, they're clearly not a new account. Similar domain of editing. Endorsing for confirmation and sleepers. — HelloAnnyong 08:24, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

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 Confirmed as being the same as Hkrclu (talk · contribs). TNXMan 14:14, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

02 September 2011
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V7 was blocked on August 5 for edit warring. Two days later, on August 7, Mirwais' first mainspace edit was on Faisal Shahzad, a place where V7 had edited. The first edit was to go back to V7's version of the article, and they used the edit history "Rvv". No new editor does that. Endorsing for confirmation. — HelloAnnyong 02:00, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

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Could I also get a check towards the account AlimNaz (talk · contribs) please? Elockid 02:29, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and sleepers as well, if there are any. — HelloAnnyong 02:30, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
  • Elockid is right, this appears Red X Unrelated to V7-Sport. The following are  Likely based on technical evidence to be AlimNaz, but are  Confirmed as each other:

Courcelles 08:51, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

15 September 2011
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Another Strider filing. Requesting CU to check for sleepers. Elockid 03:59, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

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No apparent sleepers. TNXMan 15:27, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

information Administrator note Already blocked by Elockid, tagged now. —SpacemanSpiff 16:40, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

17 October 2011
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Same philosophy on the same issues. Resistance to relevant arguments and normal dispute solution. Starts edit wars. Vandalizes user page instead of using the talk page just like one of Lagoo sab's socks once did. I am not sure, but the contributions' history suggests that this could be another sock account of Lagoo sab. Considering Lagoo sab's history this should be checked before engaging in long disputes with this user which could become irrelevant when this is just another of Lagoo sab's hundreds of socks. Thank you. JCAla (talk) 08:01, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

It's been for almost one year, that I encountered various of his sock puppets on Afghanistan-related issues. These included User:Jrkso, User:She has a bird brain, User:Hkrclu, User:Hazaraguy, User:Afghan hero, etc. User:Gbh123 has the same point of view bias and he starts to insult people which he does not know on a racist basis(just like Lagoo sab).
Quote Gbh123:"typical ignorant afghan ignores the role of russia and other players in the civil war"
Gbh123 immediately starts edit wars (just like Lagoo sab) and is immune towards engaging in conflict resolution via talk/arguments, etc (just like Lagoo sab). I had differences of opinion with other users but I was always able to sort them out by means of communication, compromise and a common basis regarding wiki rules. So far, if I encountered a user on Afghanistan-related issues with that kind of behaviour (as shown by Gbh123), it always turned out to be a sock of Lagoo sab.
You can also see that the account is relatively new (25 April 2011) and has exclusively edited according to Lagoo sab's patterns. The account was used twice in April 2011 and then only in October to engage in this edit war. Lagoo sab uses many (!) different accounts in exactly this kind of way.
I think other admins who know about him will agree. --JCAla (talk) 14:05, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
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16 November 2011
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Lagoo sab (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) seems to be very strategic and manipulative "editor". As soon as Jorge Koli (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) got blocked, this "editor" quickly resurrected NorthernPashtun (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and continued "editing" the very same pages with similar "vigor", bias, prejudices and aggressiveness. 68.27.248.223 (talk) 14:18, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

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  • There was a problem with my IP address being used by several other editors in the past where I work (Afghan Embassy in Islamabad) and I've emailed several admins to exlain this complicated issue, and one admin decided to help me out and he said just create a new name and that I shouldn't have any more problems. A few other Afghan staff here who used to edit Afghan related pages of Misplaced Pages are now stationed in other countries (i.e. User:NisarKand is in Moscow, Russia), he got married. Others don't edit the English version but the Persian and Pashto. I mentioned NisarKand because user:Mar4d accused me in the last 2 days of being him . This Pakistani POV-warrior (Mar4d) is known for using many user names, User:Drspaz, User:Pahari Sahib, User:Raza0007.... he even steals images from the internet and uploads them to Misplaced Pages. .--NorthernPashtun (talk) 21:47, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
  • I used to edit from Canada where I was working there before being transferred here to Asia for 2 yrs and the things that those other editors who were doing many years ago should not be used against me. I'm an honest hard working guy who edit Misplaced Pages as a professional editor to improve pages as well as improve my English skills. Look at my edits and see for yourself. Thanks.--NorthernPashtun (talk) 21:08, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
  • I have absolutely no idea who this person behind the Los Angeles, California, IP is. I never been to that area in person or edit articles of that region.--NorthernPashtun (talk) 21:13, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
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  • NorthernPashtun is  Technically indistinguishable from Jorge Koli. Underlying  IP blocked already, but it wasn't set to catch logged-in users—and NorthernPashtun appears to have been an old sleeper, which is why we didn't catch it before when pulling technical data. If any more appear, please submit another SPI. Thanks! AGK 20:56, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
24 December 2011
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1 2007 edit, 1 2008 edit, the edit after that clearly not new, makes about 500 contribs, and now is calling everyone they see a sock, with these accusations being baseless and like pulling some name out of a hat. Also Similar editing topics, and similar changes have lead me to request a CU, adding a relatively positive CU crosses the line for this type of disruption. -- DQ (t) (e) 18:10, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

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26 April 2012
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Afzalkhan123 is a SPA (one edit only) coming straight to a deletion review with same pov, same bias as Lagoo sab's sock farm. TAzimi also edits exactly the same articles as Lagoo sab with exactly the same pov. (Pashtuns 60 % of Afghan population: ,edit warring: ) I have called him by the name of LS several times, after which, at least in the form of TAzimi, he was not to be seen again at the article I had called on him. JCAla (talk) 11:38, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

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why are you accusing me of wrong names??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afzalkhan123 (talk • contribs) 14:38, 26 April 2012 (UTC)


Note: The discussion below was initiated after the unblock by Future Perfect at Sunrise as noted in the section below.

TAzimi is another sock of Lagoo sab. That is fairly obvious from behavioral grounds, editing and pov. Lagoo sab had good language skills, yet with some socks he tried to change his language for deception purpose, that is common practice among sock masters. Also, that TAzimi already used a sock himself is another fairly obvious sign. Furthermore, the CU said "likely" for TAzimi and Afzalkhan and Galaga1981. You say you are "not familiar enough" with the case and apologized to TAzimi for blocking, but yet you disregard the opinion of both Magog and me who are more than familiar with the case? JCAla (talk) 07:01, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
Magog is welcome to override me and reblock him if he feels confident about it on behavioural grounds. Your opinion, in contrast, is of much less value in deciding this. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:59, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
I can only quote User:Cavarrone who in regards to you said: "blame this behaviour" and User:Alanscottwalker: "I don't think your incivility evidences your administrative competence." JCAla (talk) 09:12, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
  • JCAla, could you please spend a bit more time compiling information on the similarities of editing style and the similarities in POV? Please keep in mind that FP and I both live half a world away, so the nuances of Pashtun nationalism are lost on us. I think it's likely they are the same user but I would like a bit more data. Magog the Ogre (talk) 10:58, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't have time to check all the 40 or more of Lagoo sab's socks for comparison, but there are fairly easy things to point out that make the connection obvious:

Ethnicity and Linguistics of Afghanistan

  • TAzimi's confirmed sock Galaga1981 removing "Tajiks form the majority ..." although backed by the reference in the article (Farsiwan = Tajiks and associated groups) and replacing with exactly the same version as Lagoo sab's confirmed sock "Northern Pashtun" -> compare to the edits by Lagoo sab's confirmed sock "Northern Pashtun"
  • TAzimi's confirmed sock Galaga1981 in above mentioned edits emphasizes same source on ethnicity as Lagoo sab's confirmed sock "Jrkso" on the Afghanistan talk
  • TAzimi putting in questionable sources (which are in direct contradiction to the main-stream estimates) putting the percentage of Pashtun people in Afghanistan on a range up to 60%. -> There were endless discussions with Lagoo sab about the ethnic (including linguistic) composition of Afghanistan. One out of many threads in which he also introduced the number 60 % for Pashtuns/Pashto.

Dislike for Shia Islam

  • TAzimi's confirmed sock Galaga1981 putting the category Shia Islam under the article about a murder case
  • TAzimi removing "Iran" and "Iranian"
  • Lagoo sab's monologue on a supposed Shia wikipedia conspiracy

Fondness of Hamid Karzai

  • TAzimi (pro-Karzai, removing "Kingdom of Afghanistan", adding "political scientist" under profession)
  • Lagoo sab's confirmed sock "She has a bird brain" (pro-Karzai, removing fraud allegations, adding "political scientist" under profession) -> Lagoo sab's confirmed sock "Jorge Koli" (removing "Kingdom of Afghanistan")

Same sources and pov

  • See Afzalkhan123's pov speech citing the unreliable propaganda source rawa:
  • See Lagoo sab's confirmed sock "She has a bird brain" making a similar speech using the same source:

BTW, it is quite interesting and funny that besides Cabolitae, me and several others, both, Future Perfect at Sunrise and Magog, have also been accused of sockpuppetry and POV propaganda by Lagoo sab in the past. ;)

Further indications:

  • TAzimi removing "Dari Persian" (which is the other official language of Afghanistan besides Pashto), emphasizing "to a Pashtun family"
  • TAzimi has the same arguing style when in content disputes as Lagoo sab (mainly claiming "POV" and telling people to "go and find another article to edit")
  • Editing exactly the same articles: Afghanistan, Ethnicity of Afghanistan, Hamid Karzai, etc.
  • Also Galaga was obviously created for the purpose of being able to edit war more openly on LS's issues, as its first edits immediately go for it.

JCAla (talk) 16:23, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

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The following are  Likely matches to each other -all of the accounts in the archive are  Stale:

Blocked all three. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:48, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Post-closure update: after an unblock request at , and after reviewing the contributions of TAzimi, I now feel confident on behavioral grounds that he is not the same as Afzalkhan123. TAzimi has admitted to have used Galaga1981 as an alternative account, but I did not find any obviously deceptive use of it. There is a something of a remaining suspicion, because TAzimi's initial edits don't look like those of an entirely new user, but since at this point I have no clear grounds for identifying him with either Lagoo sab or any of the other sockmasters I know, I have unblocked his account for now. Others are welcome to review. Fut.Perf. ☼ 20:09, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
Re-closing, as Magog has re-blocked the TAzimi account per the new evidence above. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:47, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
08 September 2012
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Was dropped on my talk page by another edit a few days ago, where some discussion has taken place. There is crossover in the proper topics, and behavioral linkage. Nasir seems to not be as new as he is, and there are other behaviors, including an interest in socks, and others that I would rather not disclose publicly. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 11:48, 8 September 2012 (UTC) (per request of Lysozym)

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Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims. Hi, I noticed you added my name to this page but I'm not either of the two persons which Lysozym (talk · contribs) accused me to be. I have opposed the edits of Nasir Ghobar in one of the article and reverted him several times (please see my talk page). My account is not even new, because I have created articles, mainly about Pashto (its dialects), and expanded/moved to correct titles the already existing articles about Afghan calendar, about several Pashtun tribes and about some of the other topics about my country (Afghanistan). So because of my edits, I can't be any of those two persons, thanks. Khestwol (talk) 14:11, 8 September 2012 (UTC) (copied from the talk page of Dennis Brown)

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  •  Additional information needed Sorry Dennis, but i'm going to require more info, especially when stuff like:

(cur | prev) 05:59, August 16, 2012‎ Khestwol (t | c | block)‎ . . (+1,170)‎ . . (Undid revision 507642814 by Nasir Ghobar (talk) unexplained removal of content (China shouldn't be removed from the country list, as Tarim Basin was conquered), reverted unexplained changes) (×)

shows up. You have many ways to reach me, so just drop me a note somewhere. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 18:32, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Second name removed, again by another user and most of my searches was on the first, so the second is an error. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 23:48, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Archive is  Stale,  Confirmed the following are related to each other:
22 December 2012
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Following a suggestion and a quite obnoxious comment at User talk:Chilum aw charrs, I took a quick glance; either I'm misunderstanding the usage of IPs in Pakistan, or this is a whole pile of socking going on -- which is exactly the pattern from Lagoo sab. Someone with more experience with this serial socker should take a look and see if it seems to match. --jpgordon 17:07, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

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22 January 2013
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I got an email which said this editor was likely a sock of LS. Contribution history of the suspect sock shows nothing but overlap Both use similar edit summarys LS suspect sock And both seem to have issues about the Pashto language LS suspect sock Darkness Shines (talk) 00:11, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

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 Checkuser note: Lots to find, but...nothing new.  Frank  |  talk  02:53, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
05 November 2013
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Fareed30 edits in the same topic area as LS and his other socks used to do with a similar Afghan/Pashtun POV. Though Fareed30 registered late last year but strangely enough knows the history of editing/socking in this topic area very well.(, ). And this is a reference to an established editor against whom LS sock(s) have previously filed SPIs (here and at commons) and had a number of editing disputes. A new editor can not figure out this much details as given in the edit summaries.

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Partial match

There may be many more intersecting edits I assume but I guess this much are sufficient to establish a case. SMS 22:20, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

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20 November 2014
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Same Afghan POV, taking content disputes to administrator noticeboards for getting editors blocked with baseless allegations. Calling every one a sock puppet. Looks to be a behavior and pattern match to me. Asking for a CU, and also pinging Magog the Ogre, he has much experience in dealing with this guy in previous SPI (archives). Faizan 15:26, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

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Nice try but I'm not a sockpuppet of anyone, a totally new editor who happens to be interested in some Afghan topics, according to Faizan, everyone who edits an Afghan page is a sockpuppet. I repeatedly told admins in the past at ANI board that my first edits were nominating an unfree image of Mullah Omar which got deleted along with my first edits. You can accuse me all you want but it will show that I'm not abusing multiple accounts or using IPs disruptively. While admin does a CU on me, I request that a CU be done on Faizan and on User:TheSawTooth just to clear things up. These guys are not here to build Misplaced Pages but to fight with anyone who they believe is Afghan or Indian.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 20:14, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

You and your buddy have asked it before in same Zarb e Azb topic. Will you ask every day now? --TheSawTooth (talk) 20:20, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
He's not my buddy. You can request a CU on me every day, I don't mind it because I don't have any reason to use more than one account. My issue with you two is not using more than one account, it's you being aggressive P.O.V pushers falsifying articles and edit-warring with people who are not Pakistanis. An editor could use more than one account as long as he/she doesn't do what you two are doing, falsifying information and then create a WP:BATTLEGROUND.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 20:47, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
You said that before as well in your unblock request when you were lagoo sab. --TheSawTooth (talk) 21:18, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
Wouldn't you agree that your very first 11 edits are very strange for a new editor? This one suggests that you're in eastern Australia (likely Brisbane), the same place where Saladin1987 (talk · contribs) is editing from (will provide diffs if requested to). You're on the same interesting mission, with TheSawTooth you're wrongly adding "Afghan terrorists" and with Saladin1987 you're removing "Afghan" origins from famous Indian people. You may think that's slickness but it's only childish and very stupid because Misplaced Pages is not the only source. It is giving Pakistani editors an ugly image.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 22:11, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
I see nothing wrong in his first edits. Infact he started off just like a new beginner, not on ANI accusing someone of socking like you did. Even if he is in Australia (Whatsoever), when you will abandon your ancient primitive habit of accusing others of socking? Faizan 08:50, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
I didn't ask you. No, per my opinion he started off pretending to be a new beginner. I told you that my first edits were deleted so they were not on ANI. And that guy I reported at ANI (User:StanTheMan87) got himself blocked and then created this new name (User:StanMan87), clearly he's up to something (see also User:StanTheMan) and my report on him was justified due to his strange and aggressive behavior. I was accused of sockpuppeting by his friend (User:DocumentError) but the case was dismissed (Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Irapart/Archive), well, he attempted to see if I was using sockpuppets. You're now accusing me of sockpuppeting so I guess you and every body else making sock accusations are also Lagoo sab? Him being a Pakistani, living in Australia, adding "Afghan terrorists" and removing sourced references to Afghan from famous Indians means that he is disrupting Misplaced Pages and should be blocked. In this case you guys are acting as a gang of aggressive pro-Pakistani P.O.V. pushers falsifying information and then reporting anyone who tries to fix your falsification. I'm confused why admins are turning blind eye on you, maybe they don't want to be involved with Pakistani related topics and I don't blame them on that. Pakistani pages are all a mess.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 12:29, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Look sock of Lagoo sab has same behavior of calling everyone sock puppet on talkpage. Check Krazyhorse's IP with checkuser. --TheSawTooth (talk) 14:00, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
    • You mean the part that talks about User:Mar4d being in Brisbane, Australia, like you and Saladin1987 and abusing multiple accounts? Well, thanks for bringing that here, it advances my suspicion about you abusing multiple accounts. I request that admins also check you and Faizan because I don't feel like starting a new SPI.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 20:05, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
      • These diffs pertain to one Pakistani editor who is abusively and disruptively using multiple accounts and he connects through Telstra Internet from Brisbane, Australia. (notice the "au" (Australia) at the google book link he posted), it means he's in Australia something most people don't catch. I have a feeling that TheSawTooth is connected to this person. Faizan stated above "Even if he is in Australia (Whatsoever)" and TheSawTooth didn't even try to deny it. He is using one account to remove Afghan references from famous Indians and another account which was created less than a month ago to attack Afghans.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 20:40, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Krazy horse you are confirming your behavior. One more point:

  • "I recommend TheSawTooth be blocked for disruption"
  • "I also feel that Faizan be blocked for P.O.V. pushing"
  • "I recommend that you and Mar4d be blocked until you reform"

It is the same style of writing of Krazy and Kiftaan. Hence left hand side is equal to right hand side. Thus proved Lagoo sab is puppetmaster of Krazy horse and Kiftaan. ---TheSawTooth (talk) 20:55, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

  • Should I write in Chinese language in order not to be suspected as another editor? You know so much about puppet masters. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that almost every Pakistani editor is a puppet master and that includes you. Using more than one screen name is one thing (which is allowed in certain situations), and if I used another name in the past maybe I thought Misplaced Pages was a social network like Facebook but I'm only using one name. That's understandable and many have used more than one name. However, using more than one name to deliberately falsify articles is a clear cut violation. That's what you and Faizan are doing and I can't help but to expose you. It's funny how you were created less than a month ago and you know so much about a blocked editor over one year ago. This alone confirms that you're in fact puppet master.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 21:02, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Every past action of puppet master is in archive it is not hard. I am new not stupid. :)) ---TheSawTooth (talk) 19:48, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
Krzyhorse22, you're an ignorant fool. I don't know why you are still allowed to edit on Misplaced Pages, especially topics relating to Afghan, Indian or Pakistani culture after you declared these people "corrupt", diff here: . Hilarious given that you are mainly editing articles relating to Afghanistan and apart of WikiProject Afghanistan. I asked to be blocked for 3 months on User:StanTheMan87 for my own reasons. I now no longer need the block, but the block still stands, hence why I created this account to circumvent it. I know User:StanTheMan87 is the same person as me. Why do you think I put a disclaimer on this account (User:StanMan87) which states this?... I also have something to add to this discussion. User:Maxforwind randomly appeared on the article Mohammed Omar on the 20th of September , after Krzyhorse22 tried to remove images that I had uploaded to the article, by declaring them to be un-free and copyright violations despite their blatant fair use rationales , . User:Maxforwind removed them off the article citing no reason,, and no activity has been listed on his article after the 25th of September when I removed one of the images myself to compromise . This is highly suspicious and abnormal behavior, and no doubt if they are both socks there will be more of these accounts that Krzyhorse22 has employed on other articles to subtly spread his wack POV. StanMan87 (talk) 11:01, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
I enjoy how everyone hates me, but I don't enjoy having conversations with males, I prefer females (I love women). Like Taylor Swift says in her song haters gonna hate, hate, hate... I'm just gonna shake, shake, shake. Haha. I'm not Maxforwind and I'm not using sockpuppets, if another person behaves and acts like me what's wrong with that? Is that a crime? What baffles me is why are Pakistanis and Iranians targeting this Lagoo sab? I mean what did he do that got you guys so hostile to him? If this was a real life event, he would have sued you. Just saying, lecturing you about U.S. laws and not making any legal threats, because in America you cannot target people based on race, religion or nationality. Courts take such issues very serious.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 15:01, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
  •  On hold - This is not an endorsement or decline, just a hold for the time being. Background processes going on. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 17:50, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
  • The diffs presented do not consist of evidence. Simply accusing any person of being a sock is not an indication of sockpuppetry, it's usally the accusation of the same person. There is barely any actual diffs back to the sockmaster, and this is conjecture. Furthermore, from previous Kryzhorse interactions on an administrative level, I can tell you there is no evidence in CU to indicate abuse of multiple accounts. This matter and the retalitory sock allegations are to be considered closed. @Krzyhorse22 and StanMan87: I warn you both to be more civil and to not engage in personal attacks like you did here. Further violations of that policy will result in blocks. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 17:23, 25 November 2014 (UTC)