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New article Lunch pail Democrat (USA) - push for DYK?

After hearing the term during the MSNBC analysis of the Biden-Ryan US vice-presidential debate, I whipped up a quick Lunch pail Democrat article. The term refers to working-class members of the Democratic Party, and politicians that court them. I reckon it'd be good to strike while the iron is hot, and put this up for WP:Did you know? on Monday or so; I posted it today and there's a 5-day limit for DYK, as well as other items to meet on the checklist.

If anyone is interested in helping out, this could be a really topical DYK given the usage in front of so many MSNBC viewers last night. Happy to share the banners and wiki-love for any other substantial contributors if this hits DYK and gets enough views to be awarded.

Thanks for any help or suggestions! MatthewVanitas (talk)

Forza Italia

Hello everybody! I'm an italian user, I wanted to inform you that the "new" Forza Italia party of Berlusconi is not an opposition party yet. If Berlusconi will not be pushed out from his seat (an improbably but possibile thing), he can chose to remain in the government coalition. Also, FI has got one vice-minister and one secretary in the italian government! For now, then, it is better to correct the voices about Forza Italia, the parliament and the Letta Cabinet...in 10 days will be all more clear. Bye for now! --Franci---juve 21:46, 20 nov 2013 (UTC)

Featured topic candidate

I have nominated a politics-related topic for featured topic status here. Any constructive comments there would be greatly appreciated. Neelix (talk) 16:33, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Reassessment

Just stopping by to let someone part of the project here to reassess Progressive Labor Party (United States) in its class rating. It is undergoing some changes at the moment due to the lack of sources, wp:soapbox, and POV problems that plagued the article before. xcuref1endx (talk) 14:52 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal

Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Misplaced Pages struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Renaming Category:American politicians‎ to Category:United States politicians‎

There is a proposal to rename Category:American politicians‎ as Category:United States politicians‎ at Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 October 4#Category:American politicians.E2.80.8E

Gregkaye ✍♪ 13:47, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Assistance with Heritage Action

Recently, my colleague Morzabeth posted here asking for editors who'd be interested to review a draft for the Heritage Action article. However, she had trouble finding editors to continue a conversation past the first reply, and I am now stepping in to see if I can help move it forward.

As noted there, we are working on a consulting basis with Heritage Action, and so we will avoid making direct edits to the article, considering our paid COI. Our aim is to make this article more encyclopedic, improve sourcing, give a clearer overview of the organization and its activities. As Morzabeth explained on the Heritage Action Talk page, the current article has much room for improvement.

The proposed draft in in Morzabeth's user space. She has made changes to it based on feedback, and I am willing to make other changes as needed. On the Heritage Action Talk page you can see the discussion since she first posted the request in July; unfortunately it consists of one comment each from three editors, without any follow-up.

I am looking for an editor who is interested in helping to review the current draft and work with me until they are satisfied it is deserving of moving into the mainspace. Thanks in advance, and I hope to see you back on that Talk page. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 14:36, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Problem politics article

Are any editors actively participating in WikiProject Politics? If so, can you please review the Incumbent article? This stub has been repeatedly misused and abused over the past year with the addition of inappropriate content. Is a WP:Politics editor willing to adopt this article and watch list it? It simply needs someone to protect it and delete inappropriate content as it is added. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 12:23, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

I'll add it to my watchlist for the time being. No promises that I'll have time to fix it any time soon, though. – Philosopher  19:35, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

US Pre-17th amendment election wikiboxes?

Are there any templates (or even any examples) of Wikiboxes with the counts for each house of the Legislature for the election of United States Senators prior to the 17th amendment. Secondly does anyone know if "Chosen by the Legislature thereof" was always interpretted as requiring a majority in each house, or did any states allow for the situation where for particular candidates a plurality could be part of the election.Naraht (talk) 19:52, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

I'm unaware of specific examples, but would be surprised if the 17th Amendment was interpreted other than requiring a majority of both chambers of the legislature. Still, history does contain surprises, so you never know ... I took a look at a few Senators from that era and didn't see any recorded vote in their articles - note that several states used a "direct primary" as an unofficial popular vote for Senator for at least a few years prior to the ratification of the 17th Amendment. This is an interesting area .. wish I knew more about it! ( ...waiting to read what you write... ) – Philosopher  19:46, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Admission to the Union

Admission to the Union now has these sections:

1 The process of admission

2 Formation of states within the boundaries of existing states

3 Anticipated admission of new states under the Articles of Confederation

4 See also

5 Notes and references

There's still an immense amount on law and politics and history that is not there. Michael Hardy (talk) 02:08, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Political designations in blp infoboxes; or, "Is Orson Scott Card a genuine Democrat?"

The question turns on the use of the political party field in the infobox at blp's for individuals notable as political commentators. If that person is independent, would it be misleading to give his political affiliation, eg, a libertarian-leading conservative who voted for Obama as nonetheless affiliated as a Republican or a Lieberman-supporting commentator who ended up supporting Bush, McCain and Romney but who nevertheless prides himself as a member of the Democratic party? See the RfC @ Talk:Orson_Scott_Card#RFC:_Should_we_include_his_political_party_in_the_infobox.3F.--Hodgdon's secret garden (talk) 18:45, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

TFAR notification

I've nominated an article relevant to this project for WP:TFAR consideration, discussion at Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/requests/George B. McClellan. — Cirt (talk) 20:15, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Frankfurt School conspiracy theory

“The Frankfurt School conspiracy theory, often termed "Cultural Marxism", is an American right-wing conspiracy theory”

Avoid stating opinions as facts.

Avoid stating seriously contested assertions as facts.

To state that ““The Frankfurt School conspiracy theory, often termed "Cultural Marxism", is an American right-wing conspiracy theory” is about as neutral as stating that “international capitalism is a left-wing conspiracy theory.”

A conspiracy theory implies the lack of real existence. Cultural Marxism exists. Therefor claiming it is a mere conspiracy theory indicates a severe lack of neutrality.

RfC United States same-sex marriage map

I opened up an RfC for the U.S. same-sex marriage map due to the complicated situation of Kansas: RfC: How should we color Kansas? Prcc27 (talk) 05:19, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Question: laws vs politics

• Category:United States firearms law
• Category:Gun politics in the United States
• Gun Control Act of 1968
• Gun politics in Canada
• Template:Gun politics by country

Politicians pass laws. Is every article about a law also an article about politics? Many articles, like the 1968 US law, are categorized as both. Some articles, like the one about Canada above, is almost entirely about laws yet its title defines its scope as politics. Is there any rhyme or reason for how we delineate articles and categories covering politics vs laws? I'm trying to clean up some categories but I'm not sure how these concepts are meant to be split up. Rezin (talk) 23:46, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Trying to pin down a cloud, huh? Well, let's try it, then. Law is what is written down and/or generally enforced, and includes disputes over what the law is. Politics is the process of making or modifying (or trying to) law, selective enforcement of the law, and includes disputes over what the law should be. There will be a large amount of overlap here, and I suspect that many articles will need to be in both a politics sub-cat and a law sub-cat and that several sub-cats will need to have both law- and politics- parents. Your example of Gun Control Act of 1968 is one that I would expect to see in both, for example. And it is, so we're good. – Philosopher  00:53, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

That's helpful - thanks. It sounds like you're saying that even though 'law' is a subcategory of 'politics', it's OK for articles to be in both the parent and child categories. Further, it sounds like 'politics' is the more general concept so if there's only one article on a country's gun-related issues that it's OK, and maybe best, for laws to be covered in a 'politics' named article rather than the other way around.

Extrapolating further (maybe too far), perhaps the 50+ articles covering 'guns laws by U.S. state' (e.g. Gun laws in Alaska) should be moved to 'gun politics by U.S. state', so that they can accommodate both. Or is it OK to cover politics in a 'law' article? Having both a 'laws' and a 'politics' article may make sense for an entire nation, but for a subdivision like a state or province it might be excessive. Better to combine them? What about putting both 'laws & politics' in the title? Rezin (talk) 17:45, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Herbert G. Klein

Page move is proposed; discuss there. --George Ho (talk) 06:44, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Cabinet or Government of France

The usage of Government of France and the naming of Cabinet of France is up for discussion, see Talk:Cabinet of France -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 22:32, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Disambiguation help needed for National Liberation Movement.

National Liberation Movement, a disambiguation page related to this project, has about 40 incoming links. Any help fixing even a few of these would be greatly appreciated. Cheers! bd2412 T 14:32, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

@BD2412: Have started going through them. All so far were actually for liberation movement rather than any specific one. May be worth having a discussion about redirecting the NLM page there, and having a separate DAB page. Number 57 14:40, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks - that may be a conversation worth having, particularly if the use of the term is not likely to be for a specific resolution on the disambiguation page. bd2412 T 14:42, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

@BD2412: All cleared now (I think). Number 57 14:53, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Generational Replacement / Postmateralism in Political History

There was a shift in values From Materialist values (Maintaining Order,Keeping Prices low) to Postmaterialism (Giving people more say in important political decisions, freedom of speech.) due to Generational Replacement In Western Europe after 1945 as predicted by Ronald Inglehart

Does this belong in Political history or in somewhere else in the politics portal?

Leejabramson (talk) 17:58, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Launch of WikiProject Wikidata for research

Hi, this is to let you know that we've launched WikiProject Wikidata for research in order to stimulate a closer interaction between Wikidata and research, both on a technical and a community level. As a first activity, we are drafting a research proposal on the matter (cf. blog post). Your thoughts on and contributions to that would be most welcome! Thanks, -- Daniel Mietchen (talk) 02:15, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Expert attention

This is a notice about Category:Political science articles needing expert attention, which might be of interest to your WikiProject. It will take a while before the category is populated. Iceblock (talk) 18:55, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Need help at Austrian Federal Government

Editors are trying to chance the title of Austrian Federal Government to Cabinet of Austria. This is wrong for many, many reasons, not least of all unsourced. Third opinions would be appreciated. RGloucester — ☎ 14:53, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

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