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	* '''Comment''' - None of the content I added relied on CenLamar.com. I added the blog so that readers could locate it for further research, which is one of the purposes of citations. Note that ], but not everyone's opinion is worth mentioning. We should be selective, and not cherry pick quotes. The article in it's as of 17:08, 31 December 2014 (UTC) seems about right to me with regard to third party opinions.- ]] 17:08, 31 December 2014 (UTC)		* '''Comment''' - None of the content I added relied on CenLamar.com. I added the blog so that readers could locate it for further research, which is one of the purposes of citations. Note that ], but not everyone's opinion is worth mentioning. We should be selective, and not cherry pick quotes. The article in it's as of 17:08, 31 December 2014 (UTC) seems about right to me with regard to third party opinions.- ]] 17:08, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
	::Blogs are never used as BLP sources under any circumstances. No need in this case. I see it is on page one of the New York Times today. ] (]) 18:16, 31 December 2014 (UTC)		::Blogs are never used as BLP sources under any circumstances. No need in this case. I see it is on page one of the New York Times today. ] (]) 18:16, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
			:::To clarify, it was not intended to be a source. It would have probably been better to format it as a (non-citation) footnote. - ]] 18:21, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

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Scalise admitted speaking via teleconference to the EURO group, a David Duke affiliated white supremacist group.

Should the CenLamar blog (the original breaking source) be used as a source for our coverage? (eg, is it compliant with WP:BLP in particular WP:SPSBLP which says "Never use self-published sources – including but not limited to books, zines, websites, blogs, and tweets – as sources of material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject (see below). "Self-published blogs" in this context refers to personal and group blogs.")
Should reliably sourced comments from both Democrats and Republicans defending Scalise against the allegations of racism be included in our coverage. (either quoted, or summarized) (See previous version here https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Steve_Scalise&diff=640249901&oldid=640249016)

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Do not use blog, include comments WP:SPSBLP is a policy and the blog is a clear violation. the comments are reliably sourced and including defamatory comment without allowing any defense is not WP:NPOV Gaijin42 (talk) 16:04, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
Summoned here by bot. Easy call. No per above. Coretheapple (talk) 01:22, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Coretheapple There were two questions, could you clarify which one(s) you are answering? Gaijin42 (talk) 02:31, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Oh I was referring to the blog comments. However, I see no problem with the sources or content in this version. Coretheapple (talk) 04:50, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Comment - None of the content I added relied on CenLamar.com. I added the blog so that readers could locate it for further research, which is one of the purposes of citations. Note that quite a few reliable news sources have have cited the blog themselves. I would be amenable to moving it out of references and including it as an external link. As to the the question Should reliably sourced comments from both Democrats and Republicans defending Scalise against the allegations of racism be included in our coverage? There does need to be room for countervailing opinions per WP:NPOV, but not everyone's opinion is worth mentioning. We should be selective, and not cherry pick quotes. The article in it's

Blogs are never used as BLP sources under any circumstances. No need in this case. I see it is on page one of the New York Times today. Coretheapple (talk) 18:16, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

To clarify, it was not intended to be a source. It would have probably been better to format it as a (non-citation) footnote. - Mr X 18:21, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

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I removed the full names and birthdates of the minor children. Those dates and names are not reported in the source listed anyway. Arzel (talk) 00:55, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

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