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History

In general, the history section seems unbalanced, there being a significant lack of information about early 19th century, when much of downtown JC was laid out. Hamilton's and other's attempts to develop the city, stymied by New York's claims of a boundary to the water's edge and control of ferry franchises, the expanision of the town town/village at Bergen Square would seem to belong in this article. I will make attempts to add and hope others who are interested will do same Djflem 11:05, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm new to this editing. I did make an edit a couple days ago and provided sources but it has been removed. Can someone explain why. The information I edited is egregiously in error.Tomcalwriter (talk) 02:23, 24 August 2013 (UTC) User: tomcalwriter

Diversity

July 6, 9:22 PM The links added by 68.175.76.246 on July 6 to newportnj.com probably should be removed. The actual in-story link is poor formatting and the external link at the end is not a link to any sort of Newport web site, but a commercial web site for residential and commercial property in Newport. - TimSPC

Someone biased deleted the following:

"-Jersey City is arguably the most ethnically and culturally diverse city in the country, if not the world, with an almost equal mix of non-Hispanic whites, non-Hispanic blacks, Asians, and Latinos. It has one of the largest Arab and Muslim populations and proportions of any city in the nation, one of the largest Asian proportions of any American city, and one of the largest proportions of various Latino and Hispanic ethnicities of any city outside the nation's southwest. It also has higher-than-average numbers of Jews, Italians, Cubans, Indians, and Irish than most cities in the nation."

So, I readded it. Sources:

http://www.city-data.com/top35.html

(note, in this list "diversity" is ranked by places with the lowest percentages of "non Hispanic whites"--OK, so a city with 90% blacks and 10% non-Hispanic whites is supposed to be considered "more diverse" than a city with a mix of all races, INCLUDING whites? This stupid logic is the only reason Honolulu, or any of those other "cities", appear "more diverse" than JC on this list.) Compare Jersey City's "racial" percentages to ANY other city on that list: black, white, and Hispanic are the 3 largest groups, and are essentially equal in proportion; these three are followed by the various Asian groups, which total 16% of the population, a larger proportion of Asians than in most cities with large Hispanic and/or black populations.

Races in Jersey City:

Black (28.3%) Hispanic (28.3%) White Non-Hispanic (23.6%) Other race (15.1%) Filipino (6.6%) Two or more races (5.8%) Asian Indian (5.4%) Chinese (1.5%) Other Asian (1.3%) American Indian (1.0%) Vietnamese (0.7%) Korean (0.6%)

No other city, especially one of the US' top 100, has quite a varied mix. And VARIETY is what "diversity" really is. A city that is 85% Mexcian-American or 60% Japanese-American is NOT "diverse" simply because it lacks Caucasian people.

Jersey City's Ancestries: Italian (6.6%), Irish (5.6%), Polish (3.0%), Arab (2.8%), German (2.7%), West Indian (2.4%).

This shows that even among Caucasians there is a mix, and that there are sizeable Arab and West Indian populations (groups that are often missing from most American cities). I'm hard-pressed to find an ethnic/cultural group that is NOT faily represented in Jersey City. It's highly unlikely that there's another city in the nation or the world that has such a blend of everyone. I've never come across it personally. If anyone can find America's, or the world's, real MOST DIVERSE city, then the info about JC being it should be removed, and the real most diverse city's article should be updated with the info. However, someone just removed the fact that JC is the nation's most diverse because of bias, and that's inexcusable!

Also, this site:

http://www.urbanplanet.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=12363

Think about what this means: other than these 6 cities, NO PLACE in America has at least 10% of their population among European-Americans, African-Americans, Asian-Americans, and Hispanic-Americans. Even compared to the five California cities listed, Jersey City is incredibly more diverse. It has a higher proportion of Asians than all but Stockton, a higher proportion of blacks than all but Oakland, and is not nearly as biased towards Hispanic and white groups as the Cali cities but still is nowhere near being a "non-white" or a "non-Hispanic" city. Plus, like I said, its diversity even among its white/Caucasian population surpasses the Cali cities, since it includes Italians, Polish, German, and a variety of European groups, as well as far larger numbers of Jews and Arabs than are present on the west coast. (NJ, mostly because of its eastern cities and suburbs like Jersey City is the state with the 2nd largest percentage of both Jews and Arabs/Muslims.)

Scroll down to the bottom thread of this forum, and you'll see someone else quoted the list of "Top 100 Most Diverse" cities. He erroneously states that the percentage used to rank them is the "percentage of the largest racial group". Incorrect! The reason so many small Hawaii and California towns are around, and even ahead of, Jersey City is because this listing is biased towards Asians. Take the "most diverse" city, for example. Summing only its Fillipino and Japanese populations, we arrive at over 28%. Add in the other Asians, and we're looking at probably 50% Asian, which is what the "race" of these people really is. If we're going to count Vietnamese, Thai, Chinese, and Japanese as separate "races", then we also have to count Italian, Irish, German, Dominican, Colombian, Jamaican, etc, as "races"--they're not. They're ethnicities. That listing's counting each Asian nationality as a different "race" is the only reason any city seems more diverse than Jersey City, which "only" has a combined Asian total of 16%.

• Nice work, but "Jersey City is highly ethnically diverse" would seem sufficient. I don't see value in a label like "most ethnically diverse." --Tysto 14:13, 2005 August 3 (UTC)

Education

I'm removing the claim for St. Peter's Prep being one of the best high schools in the state. Is there anything we can point to as a source for this?

The Education section refers to several neighborhoods which have yet to be introduced. Should we move this section to a position below the Neighborhoods section? AnonUser 16:05, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

If Saint Mary's school and Saint Anthonys is here, I think Saint Bridgets, should be added. Saint Bridgets is a sister school of both of those schools. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.231.60 (talk) 19:05, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Some of the Catholic elementary schools mentioned are now closed as of September 2013. There are 5 Catholic elementary school in operations according to the Archdiocese of Newark (listed in Catholicschoolsnj.org). These are: St. Aloysius Elementary Academy, St. Joseph School, St. Nicholas School, Our Lady of Czestochowa School, Sacred Heart School and St. Nicholas School. The other schools are closed. (PAH) September 16, 2013

We need to cite reliable, sources for material that we add to the article. Nightscream (talk) 05:41, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Mayor

The mayor of Jersey City is Jerramiah Healy. There is someone pulling some shenangians. If you revert, make sure you revert back to the correct information. -TimSPC

Satellite Maps

Hi!

I added two color map linx to the bottom.

Enjoy them.

Supercool Dude

Transportation

Is a list of highways, subway lines, and their stops really encyclopedic? The entries for Hoboken and other area cities don't include such lists. --Tysto 14:13, 2005 August 3 (UTC)

I don't see why not. Their stops have or will have articles. --SPUI (talk) 23:55, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Hoboken has one PATH stop, hence its not having a list of stops. It wouldn't me much of a list. --69.141.29.225 04:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Edits by 209.244.172.107

Looks like someone with The Lefrak organization is trying to put their sales pitch up here. I cleaned it up a bit, but it needs more. Tim Aug 27

Publishing

Would a local newspaper(s) and other publishers warrant a section (or at least a mention) in this article? AnonUser 16:28, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Missing Picture Removed

I removed the following link to a missing picture image link from the article and put it here temporarily until someone finds it:

The article benefitted from the picture. If anyone knows where it went and could reupload it? Alansohn 03:02, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Ellis Island

Does anyone know why this was removed? I am going to restore it until I someone explains why it was removed. The court case deciding the ownership of Ellis Island was well publicized. I will add references.

The Statue of Liberty stands on Liberty Island and its address is 1 Communipaw Avenue, Jersey City, though the statue is maintained by the National Park Service. Likewise, Ellis Island is inside Jersey City's borders, but is managed jointly by the states of New Jersey and New York. The body of water that surrounds both islands is known as New York Harbor.

Liberty Island is not in NJ, as the Liberty Island page explains at some length. The address according to both the park service and the postal service is Liberty Island, NY, NY 10004. 12.47.208.34 21:27, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I removed the part about the murders. I don't believe mentioning that belongs here, let alone on the introduction.

Neighborhoods

Though in the Heights doesn't The Western Slope qualify as a dinsticnt neighborhood?????

Maybe some of the neighborhoods can be given their own page with links from here, so more info and pics of each neighborhood can be shown.

From the link at the top of the neighborhood section is there a way to make a box of neighborhoods like in the Newark page.

Is there a public domain map showing neighborhoods that we could use? (Like the one for Brooklyn at http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/neighbor/neighl.shtml .) Constructive 17:44, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I didn't remove it, but the sentence "Newport had a hand in the renaissance of Jersey City although, before ground was broken, much of the downtown area had already begun a steady climb (much like Hoboken)" seems biased as specifically trying to avoid crediting redevelopment. Newport may not deserve credit for starting the renovation of other parts of Jersey City, but at the same time it is incorrect that those parts were significantly self-improving in 1985 (when Newport started). It is also factually incorrect to make any sort of Hoboken connections since Hoboken was and is a very different place (no office buildings, limited redevelopment, strong residential housing stock) than Jersey City. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.73.168.2 (talk) 22:31, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I've removed the unsourced material on Neighborhoods, and moved it here, pending proper sourcing per WP:V/WP:NOR Nightscream (talk) 05:54, 25 October 2010 (UTC):

Downtown (partial)

Exchange Place, the first part of Jersey City to redevelop, was built on the grounds of the old Jersey City Penn Station, ferry and shipping terminals. It is now a bustling business and financial district.

To the west lie three brownstone neighborhoods with protected historic districts — Hamilton Park, Van Vorst Park, and Harsimus Cove — separated from the waterfront by a legacy of older infrastructure, big-box development, and old warehouses still awaiting re-use.

Paulus Hook is another neighborhood with a historic designated zone. It borders Exchange Place and Liberty State Park on the waterfront, and blends older brownstone-lined streets with newer luxury developments. The Essex Street stop on the Hudson-Bergen Light Rail cuts through the southern portion of the neighborhood. The area has become increasingly active with development to the east and the construction of the light rail; many of its streets are lined with shops, and restaurants with outdoor seating.

Journal Square

Once the commercial heart of Jersey City, Journal Square is in the process of rehabilitation, in part because of the efforts of the Journal Square Restoration Corporation (JSRC) and the Jersey City Economic Development Corporation (JCEDC). Here, Kennedy Boulevard and Bergen Avenue, main thoroughfares in the city, are at their widest, lined on both sides by brick houses and medium-density apartment complexes. The Stanley Theater, currently a Jehovah's Witness meeting hall, and Loew's Jersey Theater on Kennedy Boulevard are among the city's most noted landmarks, and are two of the best preserved movie palaces in the Tri-State area. Directly across Kennedy Boulevard from the Loews is the Journal Square Transportation Center (JSTC), which houses the Journal Square PATH station and the city's largest bus terminal. Saint Peter's College is located about 10 blocks south of Journal Square in the McGinley Square section of Jersey City. To the north of the square on Newark Avenue lies India Square, home to over 100 Indian businesses, and one of the largest Indian neighborhoods in New Jersey. To the south of the square near Five Corners lies the Hudson County Courthouse, St Joseph's Church, Dickinson High School, The Dante Alghieri Society which was New Jersey's first Italian-American Society, and the island area.

West Side

Jersey City's West Side is very diverse and includes the neighborhoods of the Marion Section, Lincoln Park/West Bergen, the Hackensack Riverfront, Droyer's Point, and New Jersey City University. Many ethnic grocery shops (Filipino, Indian, West Indian, Latino, Black) line West Side Avenue, which runs from Broadway to Danforth Avenue. U.S. Route 1/9 Truck bisects Lincoln Park. West of New Jersey Route 440 is the Hackensack Riverfront including Hudson Mall, Jersey City Incinerator Authority, and Droyer's Point.

Greenville

Greenville lies between the Bayonne city line to the south and the Hudson Bergen Light Rail lines to the north. It is primarily residential with a principal commercial corridor at Danforth Avenue. The Greenville Yards (a former Conrail rail yard now being used as a distribution center), Port Jersey, Port Liberté (high-end gated residential community) and Caven Point on the Upper New York Bay are separated from the older neighborhoods by the New Jersey Turnpike Newark Bay Extension. Greenville has some of the most depressed areas in the city, but is slowly being revitalized, particularly along the light rail line. The crime rate is higher here than in any other part of Jersey City and many streets are lined with abandoned homes, but municipal aid over the past few years has helped in rebuilding many of them and in bringing life back to many of Greenville's neglected streets. With the gentrification of the downtown area, many of the city's working-class tenants have moved into this area.

The Heights

Jersey City Heights (aka "The Heights") is a neighborhood atop the New Jersey Palisades overlooking Hoboken and the Hudson River to its east and the New Jersey Meadowlands to the west. It consists mostly of two- and three-family houses, and remains traditionally middle-class. The primary commercial strip is Central Avenue. Six blocks to the east, and parallel to it, are Palisade and Ogden Avenues, both of which offer views of the Manhattan skyline from Riverview-Fiske Park. The light rail station at Congress and Ninth Streets connects this area of the Heights to the Hoboken PATH train and New Jersey Transit trains. Many stately Victorian and Edwardian homes contribute to the attractiveness of the Heights, particularly along Summit Avenue and Sherman Place as well as areas to the east of Central Avenue. Pershing Field is a park near the center of this district, offering green space, a running track, several trap houses, basketball and tennis courts, a semi-Olympic size swimming pool and an ice skating rink. Adjacent to Pershing Field Park is an abandoned reservoir which constitutes one of the largest patches of green space in the city. The future of the reservoir has been hotly contested as business interests, city government, and environmentalist groups have each proposed a different use for the land though it has announced that the city has decided to move forward with plans to develop the reservoir into a nature preserve open to the public.

Newark Ave?

I was wondering if the area on Newark Ave west of five corners had a name of its own or ifs just considered part of Journal Square. Nevermind

JCMC

Christmas Eve, climbing from Staten Island on Ocean Avenue towards Journal Square, I saw a collection of very imposing gray buildings on the skyline. Pedalling on over, I found the Jersey City Medical Center with a 1936 cornerstone. Apparently the decrepit old buildings have been abandoned and are being turned into residential condominiums. Does this former institution have a story that should be told? Jim.henderson 03:19, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

see Jersey City Medical Center —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk • contribs) 05:41, 25 December 2006 (UTC).

Splendid; thanks. I don't know how I missed it in previous searches. Please, someone, if my mention in the present article is inaccurate, misplaced or otherwise poor, move or improve it.

It was also a little difficult finding the article about JFK Boulevard. This summer while bicycling through Secaucus to Staten Island I chatted with some old folks who recommended climbing to "The Boulevard". They hadn't heard of JFK Blvd but I assume it's the same street.

Jim.henderson 16:04, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Other Noteable Jersey Cityans: Michael O'Koren = Basketball All - American North Carolina and NBA player (NJ Nets) James Sparnakel = Basketball ALL- American, Duke University and NBA player (Dallas Mavericks) Jim McMahon = Football All-American quarterback and NFL (Chicago Bears) John Valentin = Baseball - Seton Hall and Boston Red Sox 3rd baseman

Population Discrepancy

There seems to be a discrepancy in the population figure for 1970. The cources cited give two different figures. Here they are:

260,545: http://www.census.gov/population/documentation/twps0027/tab20.txt

260,350: http://www.wnjpin.net/OneStopCareerCenter/LaborMarketInformation/lmi01/poptrd6.htm

The 260,350 figure is the one that appears in the chart. However, if we went with 260,545, the percent-change figures would also change slightly. The loss from 1960 to 1970 would be -5.6%, and the loss from 1970 to 1980 would be -14.2%.

Which source should we trust?

Mistermind 15:29, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I think we should go for the data from 1970 census, pop. 260,545, for decadely census data is the only "official" source for population; estimate is estimate. Yassie 05:02, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that there are any oil refineries in Jersey City.

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New Jersey Road Map

Though the contribution is appreciated, a road map of New Jersey's major highways and mention of nearby towns doesn't seem to add much to the article. The other map, which seems standard for Misplaced Pages, may be less colorful, already indicates JC's location within the state. Are there strong objections to removing it, or at least making it smaller and re-locating to a different section, such as transportation????Djflem 10:29, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Cemetery deletion

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original World Trade Center Plotters

Met in an apartment in Jersey City. The plotters anatagonised the locals with their behaviour (basically scofflaw) (double parking and blocking in residents while they plotted). The blind Sheik strolled about acompanied by large palestinians. The idea for the 9/11 demolition was given by a so called terror expert on one of the major channels during the nights following the first explosion, he stated if you really want to bring down the towers you crash a plane loaded with fuel into the buildings. It was only good polcing that protected the local muslim population from vigilante justice,on the nights following the first explosion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paleocon (talk • contribs) 16:31, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

هاي —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.185.131.20 (talk) 04:25, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

External Link - JCTransit.com

I posted a link to www.jctransit.com in the external links section of Jersey City's listing on wikipedia and it was subsequently removed. I read the terms and while I understand the potential of conflict of interest which was noted, JCTransit.com is a free website which fills a large gap of missing public transportation info for jersey city residents. The site is a free directory which offers unique info and tools to aide residents in navigating jersey city's fragmented transit system. I think that if you were to check out the site you would instantly see the value it offers to jersey city residents and it would validate its inclusion in the jersey city wiki links section. thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kjburke1 (talk • contribs) 23:10, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Official name

Okay, the article title's, as well as the most common usage throughout the article, implies that it's "Jersey City". A paragraph in the Geography section states that it is "City of Jersey". And the "Official Title" field in the infobox on the side gives the redundant "City of Jersey City". So... which is it? All I know is "City of Jersey City" just looks wrong to me. Lurlock (talk) 16:55, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

• Not an error. Click on the city's website in the infobox and notice the copyright notice. This is a common construction where the first part describes the legal status of the community which happens to use city or town or village in its name. So you end up with contradictory ones as well like "City of Lathrup Village". Rmhermen (talk) 13:57, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

White Manna

What neighborhood is White Mana in? I wanted to add a link to that article here but I'm not familiar with Jersey City. Thanks. howcheng {chat} 18:23, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

The Western Slope —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.82.236.8 (talk) 06:26, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Sister Cities

Someone recently added some city in India and it made me wonder where these references come from. If you look at the official website, there are no sister cities for Jersey City. Please guide me in the right direction, where to confirm these cities, otherwise they will have to be removed.

See for yourself: http://www.sister-cities.org/directory/index.cfm Stepanstas (talk) 03:16, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

No flag?

There is no flag on the infobox, and I started to wonder since the City has almost 250 000 of population. So I googled it and found that there actually is a flag for Jersey City. For example the 'American City Flags Survey' has it on #87 with also image of the flag. So I'm asking is there a reason for not including the flag? 82.141.125.215 (talk) 03:01, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

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Merge Newport 10000?

I just became aware of our article on the Newport 10000 race, which is currently unreferenced and seems of local interest at best. The only secondary source I found is the Jersey Journal article on the 2012 race. Per WP:LOCAL, it probably should not have a stand-alone article. Should we merge it into this article? Otherwise I'll nominate it for deletion. Huon (talk) 23:10, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 22 August 2013

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During the 19th century, 60,000 former slaves reached Jersey City on one of the four routes of the Underground Railroad that led to the city. This needs to be edited. The total of 60,000 former slaves would be a good estimate of all the former slaves that crossed the Mason Dixon line from Missouri to Delaware; though estimates go as high as 100,000 (Siebert, Underground Railroad: From Slavery to Freedom, 1898: 237; Bordewich, Bound for Canaan, 2005: 435-436). How many reached Jersey City is impossible to estimate because there are no records from which to compute this, and any total would be simply a guess. The total alleged by the reporter is not an educated guess. Several thousand might be possible but that is probably inflated. Considerably more than 5,000 probably came thru NYC but many of those came by ships from the South directly into NY Harbor. Tomcalwriter (talk) 02:10, 22 August 2013 (UTC) Tom Calarco

Done The source of the claim is no longer available and you make a good argument based on sources which describe the total. I'll remove the number boldly. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 22:31, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

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60,000 fugitive slaves DID NOT pass through Jersey City. The source is egregiously in error. Perhaps 60,000 crossed the Mason Dixon Line from Missouri to Delaware during the entire antebellum period. More like hundreds would be closer to the truth as to the number passing through Jersey City. I made this edit request a couple of days ago, but do not see any changes, and in fact, it appears it was removed. In truth, there is no way to accurately compute this number for the nation, but such a high figure would be impossible for Jersey City. These scholarly books estimate the total for the entire nation during the entire period to be from 50-to-100,000. Tomcalwriter (talk) 02:39, 24 August 2013 (UTC) User: tomcalwriter / Tom Calarco

Done Celestra (talk) 22:32, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

References

1. Wilbur Siebert, From Slavery to Freedom, New York: Macmillan, 1898: 237; Fergus Bordewich, Bound for Canaan, New York: Harper-Collins, 2004: 435-436

Structure

Hi. I'm going through all the US Cities (as per List of United States cities by population) in an effort to provide some uniformity in structure. Anyone have an issue with me restructuring this article as per Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Cities/US Guideline. I won't be changing any content, merely the order. Occasionally, I will also move a picture just to clean up spacing issues. I've already gone through the top 20 or so on the above list, if you'd like to see how they turned out. Thoughts? Onel5969 (talk) 20:00, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Lead image for the page

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Please respond here to see what photo should be lead image on this page talk→ WPPilot  06:37, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

The first image, which WPPilot fails to mention is his, is dark, and very hard to see at infobox size. The second one (which I didn't "insert" I restored from before WPP replaced it) is better, but not great. In fact, the third one is an cleaner and clearer aerial view which I think is better. BMK (talk) 06:48, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

I've put the third on in the infobox. There might still be something better on Commons. BMK (talk) 06:55, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Once again BMK creates his own consensus and executes it luckily split, who need a consensus when BMK is in charge..talk→ WPPilot  07:19, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

You might take a look at WP:BOLD.

If a consensus forms here in favor of one of the other images, or about another one entirely, I have no problem conforming to that decision. BMK (talk) 07:24, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

In the meantime, don't you think that the 3rd image is the best choice of these three? BMK (talk) 07:26, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Frankly speaking yes I do, but let me add that it is a bit washed out, and with color correction I feel that my photo has more vibrance..Also the third photo is out of balance, in the sky is not square to the photo, like mine is. Does that mean that we should march onto the site and post it, no I have request that others provide feedback. This is how things such as this should be resolved, not slamming home your POV and pulling the drop rope on the chopping block seconds after you convince yourself of something. This way we get a real general consensus in play. talk→ WPPilot  07:41, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

• Support using rightmost picture in this instance. Op47 (talk) 16:46, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

• Support using the third from the left. I understand WP's point about lack of balance, the first one, with the 3 segments (water, land, sky) has better composition, but the contrast in the third is better. I would prefer #2 over #1, especially since there is no "cityscape" pic in this article. There's a slight blurriness and almost a haze-like quality to pic #1. Onel5969 (talk) 19:48, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

• Comment I was invited here randomly by a bot. I have two observations: 1) This request for comment is not so well formed and is unlikely to bring about a consensus. The request is properly neutral but the use of editors' names in the image captions and in the initial comment by the requesting editor is problematic. The idea is to keep RFCs neutral and focused on improving the page, not on personalities. I recommend starting over with a new RFC with plain numbers in the image captions and leaving out the names of the image authors in all comments. 2) In my view, editing the subject of the RFC while the RFC is open is an abuse of BRD and counter to the spirit of an RFC. I would recommend the image be put back to what it was when this RFC was opened. Jojalozzo 04:58, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

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