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| :{{ping|Nikkimaria}} the difference is, I never defended the comments made by Orange. I defended her right to say them and proposed a probable explanation for her thinking and asked for the attacks to stop. I then reached out in the spirit of civility to the offended party. was their response. Given the previous incivility from this user that Orange was responding to in the first place, compounded by the intimidation and harassment from multiple users on Orange's talk page consisting of one accusation after another, I believe my actions were sound and in good faith. The over the top, aggressive and angry response from Schro was uncalled for and unacceptable. Given the above response from Cassianto, we seem to have a larger problem with the community that needs to be addressed. Pointing these things out, requesting that editors follow the civility policy, and taking them to ANI when they don't, is not the problem, so I must disagree with your assessment. ] (]) 06:10, 27 January 2015 (UTC) | :{{ping|Nikkimaria}} the difference is, I never defended the comments made by Orange. I defended her right to say them and proposed a probable explanation for her thinking and asked for the attacks to stop. I then reached out in the spirit of civility to the offended party. was their response. Given the previous incivility from this user that Orange was responding to in the first place, compounded by the intimidation and harassment from multiple users on Orange's talk page consisting of one accusation after another, I believe my actions were sound and in good faith. The over the top, aggressive and angry response from Schro was uncalled for and unacceptable. Given the above response from Cassianto, we seem to have a larger problem with the community that needs to be addressed. Pointing these things out, requesting that editors follow the civility policy, and taking them to ANI when they don't, is not the problem, so I must disagree with your assessment. ] (]) 06:10, 27 January 2015 (UTC) | ||
| ::Can you stop lying just for one minute. I was not angry, as I have made utterly clearly in the ANI thread. The fact you keep repeating the lies show a lot more about you than anyione else, including your inability to take on board anything anyone says that you disagree with, deeply flawed judgement and a worrying blinkered view of your own poor approach to discussions. I have no time - and certainly no wish - to continue discussing anything with you, and I will wait and see if OrangesRyellow can do the decent thing with regard to her rather disgusting comment. - ] (]) 12:54, 27 January 2015 (UTC) | |||
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Groundless accusations of COI
If this edit summary is talking about me, you need to be more careful about slinging baseless accusations around. -- JHunterJ (talk) 14:09, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Tangential request
Re. the JHunterJ note on ANI, and specifically characterizing a redirect I made: This was a blatant run-around the AfD close, and an obvious attempt to enforce his lone "delete"; - This is a tangent to your main point, but I don't appreciate the editorializing/hyopthesizing. I don't remember my rationale for the edit, but probably I'd completely forgotten about the previous AfD. Many of the my edits the last 4-5 years are planting redirects atop in-universe concepts, and it's not unknown for me to lose sight of a prior AfD. Anyway, two years is a long time to forget. My motive, lost to memory, is ultimately immaterial; I'd appreciate you excising the guesswork, which I think fails to assume good faith. Thanks! --EEMIV (talk) 22:57, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Can you explain why you redirected the article to a video game, using the rationale outlined at WP:PRIMARYTOPIC? It's pretty clear to the most uninvolved, reasonable user that regardless of the Star Trek topic, it cannot be a primary topic due to other uses of the term. Viriditas (talk) 23:01, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- No. It was, what, 4 years ago? I have no idea what I was thinking. My best guess is that I simply wasn't aware of a more appropriate dab item in place now. Even today, I couldn't tell you anything about appropriate dab target/naming conventions; other than removing multiple bluelinks, dab-ness is simply not something I maintain/jump into. --EEMIV (talk) 23:05, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- Excuse me: I have spent the last two days trying to correct this error, only to get reverted by JHunterJ in every instance. If there is no reasonable basis for this redirect, why is JHunterJ implementing it? Viriditas (talk) 23:13, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- I don't know. I'm not him. I see you've tried to garner some support at ANI, and that's all swell. All I'm saying is, I take exception to your statement that I was trying to subvert consensus by my 2011 edit; it seems unnecessarily antagonistic and does not assume good-faith. Best I can guess, again, it stems from a combination of a desire to do some general in-universe cleanup coupled with ignorance of disambiguation pages and practices in place. So, again, I'm requesting you remove or strike out the unsubstantiated inference about the motivation between what was really an innocuous edit. Thank you in advance ... or, if you're disinclined to such, can you please offer an explanation? Thanks. --EEMIV (talk) 02:11, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- I really don't know what kind of changes you're looking for. The entire report is couched in my opinion. My tone could probably be piped down a bit I guess, but I'm not certain how to do that. Why don't you just edit that part of the report directly with a comment explaining how you feel. I won't mind, just indent it or offset it in some way. Viriditas (talk) 02:17, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Done, and again thanks. I agree, the tone of your post is pretty intense. I understand the frustration of reverting and counter-reverting when you're Right, Dammit! , and that's certainly infiltrated (and I worry detracts from) what might otherwise be a clear case of trying to do some good cleanup/correction. I hope it all comes together properly. --EEMIV (talk) 03:53, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- Ah, good job. Viriditas (talk) 03:56, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- I really don't know what kind of changes you're looking for. The entire report is couched in my opinion. My tone could probably be piped down a bit I guess, but I'm not certain how to do that. Why don't you just edit that part of the report directly with a comment explaining how you feel. I won't mind, just indent it or offset it in some way. Viriditas (talk) 02:17, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- I don't know. I'm not him. I see you've tried to garner some support at ANI, and that's all swell. All I'm saying is, I take exception to your statement that I was trying to subvert consensus by my 2011 edit; it seems unnecessarily antagonistic and does not assume good-faith. Best I can guess, again, it stems from a combination of a desire to do some general in-universe cleanup coupled with ignorance of disambiguation pages and practices in place. So, again, I'm requesting you remove or strike out the unsubstantiated inference about the motivation between what was really an innocuous edit. Thank you in advance ... or, if you're disinclined to such, can you please offer an explanation? Thanks. --EEMIV (talk) 02:11, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- Excuse me: I have spent the last two days trying to correct this error, only to get reverted by JHunterJ in every instance. If there is no reasonable basis for this redirect, why is JHunterJ implementing it? Viriditas (talk) 23:13, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
- No. It was, what, 4 years ago? I have no idea what I was thinking. My best guess is that I simply wasn't aware of a more appropriate dab item in place now. Even today, I couldn't tell you anything about appropriate dab target/naming conventions; other than removing multiple bluelinks, dab-ness is simply not something I maintain/jump into. --EEMIV (talk) 23:05, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Oranges/Schro
Posting here instead of at ANI, in the hopes of cooling things down a bit. After SchroCat's post of 23:47, 26 January, it would have been preferable for you to take it up at his talk page, if you felt it needed to be discussed (though personally I might have left it alone). No matter what your intentions were in continuing to post at Oranges' page, it had the effect of escalating the situation into a brawl between you and he on the page of an absent third party. At the time of that post, there were no demands for apologies present, only a request to strike, a request which is permitted per policy and is fair assuming that Oranges' post was a good-faith misinterpretation.
I would also suggest that there are more parallels between your actions and SchroCat's than you might think. Just as you are defending Oranges, he is defending Cassianto. If the dispute has nothing to do with him, one could equally say that it has nothing to do with you; but really, anyone may express concern with someone's statements here, whether those statements are addressed to them or not - as you have done with SchroCat's statements towards Oranges. But for the moment, I really think the best way to deescalate here would be to stop posting on the issue. Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 04:41, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- @Nikkimaria: the difference is, I never defended the comments made by Orange. I defended her right to say them and proposed a probable explanation for her thinking and asked for the attacks to stop. I then reached out in the spirit of civility to the offended party. This was their response. Given the previous incivility from this user that Orange was responding to in the first place, compounded by the intimidation and harassment from multiple users on Orange's talk page consisting of one accusation after another, I believe my actions were sound and in good faith. The over the top, aggressive and angry response from Schro was uncalled for and unacceptable. Given the above response from Cassianto, we seem to have a larger problem with the community that needs to be addressed. Pointing these things out, requesting that editors follow the civility policy, and taking them to ANI when they don't, is not the problem, so I must disagree with your assessment. Viriditas (talk) 06:10, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
- Can you stop lying just for one minute. I was not angry, as I have made utterly clearly in the ANI thread. The fact you keep repeating the lies show a lot more about you than anyione else, including your inability to take on board anything anyone says that you disagree with, deeply flawed judgement and a worrying blinkered view of your own poor approach to discussions. I have no time - and certainly no wish - to continue discussing anything with you, and I will wait and see if OrangesRyellow can do the decent thing with regard to her rather disgusting comment. - SchroCat (talk) 12:54, 27 January 2015 (UTC)