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	*'''Support''' While it is a waste of time on these individual articles, this RM is setting a precedent for all of the US station articles, as well as shaping the ] guidelines. We should get it right this time to establish the actual naming convention. If "Station" is part of the official name, then "Station" should be capitalized. Otherwise, "station" should be lowercase. Other than ''some'' pylons containing "Station," there is no other evidence that "Station" is part of the proper name for WMATA stations. (Ex. for ], see pictures of different pylons ] and ], with evidence for other stations in ]. The pylons outside of the stations seem to always have "Station," while the pylons inside of the stations do not have the word.) Therefore, "station" should be lowercase for these articles. --] (]) 21:45, 7 February 2015 (UTC)		*'''Support''' While it is a waste of time on these individual articles, this RM is setting a precedent for all of the US station articles, as well as shaping the ] guidelines. We should get it right this time to establish the actual naming convention. If "Station" is part of the official name, then "Station" should be capitalized. Otherwise, "station" should be lowercase. Other than ''some'' pylons containing "Station," there is no other evidence that "Station" is part of the proper name for WMATA stations. (Ex. for ], see pictures of different pylons ] and ], with evidence for other stations in ]. The pylons outside of the stations seem to always have "Station," while the pylons inside of the stations do not have the word.) Therefore, "station" should be lowercase for these articles. --] (]) 21:45, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
			*'''Procedural oppose'''. The move review you mentioned hasn't even been closed yet. ] 22:19, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

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Link to WMATA BWI service schedule - encyclopedic?

Is the new link to WMATA's express bus to BWI particularly encyclopedic? I consider timetables as going beyond the bounds of an encyclopedia. I consider the role of these articles as providing factual information about the service, but leaving links to timetables and such to the transit providers themselves.

Anyone else? Schuminweb 04:23, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

The bit about buses and Obama is not really helpful, either. 69.137.147.137 (talk) 01:30, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

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Requested move

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: consensus to move the pages, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 03:40, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

– I really like WP:USSTATION, which was overdue and a good WP:NATURAL alternative to mandated parenthetical disambiguation. I'm proposing moves for one line of the Washington Metro to start with, and I plan to move on to the others if this is successful. As far as I can tell, only Waterfront needs further disambiguation; see, for example, Waterfront Station (Vancouver). --BDD (talk) 16:27, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Comment - This should include ALL Washington Metro stations, not just a select few. How about "metro station" as the suffix? This would be in line with naming conventions for train station, railway station, railroad station, tube station (in London) and metro stations in other sytems worldwide. This would also result in clarity when Union Station (WMATA station) is renamed Union Station metro station, not the very awkward Union Station station, which is at Union Station (Washington, D.C.) railway station. Secondarywaltz (talk) 19:11, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Re Union Station, by WP:USSTATION a second "station" shouldn't be added if "Station" is already part of the name. And WP:USSTATION#Disambiguation already recommends disambiguating by system if there are two stations with the same name in the same city (Union Station (WMATA) would be the way to do it). But I think we should do first things first: if we establish consensus for this, we can move on to others.--Cúchullain /c 21:04, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Maybe Union Station (WMATA) should even be merged into Union Station (Washington, D.C.)...but that's a separate discussion for another location. --Scott Alter (talk) 22:10, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Support as at Talk:Adrienne Arsht Center (Metromover station)#Requested move 15 December 2014. This is supported by the consensus behind WP:USSTATION, and also better fits essentially all points at the general article title policy, especially WP:COMMONNAME, WP:CONCISE, WP:PRECISE, WP:NATURAL and WP:NATURALDIS.--Cúchullain /c 21:04, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

I made most of these articles, and fought against the initial rename from "(Washington Metro)" to "(WMATA station)", but that made sense. And try as I might to find issue with this proposal... it does seem to make sense. My only suggestion is that, when these are all done, "Metro Center" does not require the 'station' identifier. Support. --Golbez (talk) 21:27, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
- Although "Metro Center station" does sound strange, is that not its official name? The lead picture at Metro Center (WMATA station) does show a WMATA sign displaying Metro Center Station. --Scott Alter (talk) 22:10, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
  - Oh. Well then. :P --Golbez (talk) 14:25, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
    - If you go with Metro Center station (or Metro Center Station) please add a hatnote linking to MetroCentre railway station, where Metro Centre station redirects, and update the hatnote there. Thryduulf (talk) 15:46, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Support as per WP:USSTATION. --Scott Alter (talk) 22:10, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Support As shown in https://commons.wikimedia.org/Category:Washington_Metro_station_entrance_pylons the names of the station use upper case "S". As proper names and official titles, that is the form that should be used. I retract my comments above re:metro station. Secondarywaltz (talk) 17:46, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. I've amended the request accordingly. --BDD (talk) 18:25, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Support per nom and per the fact that "(WMATA station)" is not a particularly clear disambiguator. — AjaxSmack 04:12, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

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Continuation

Also, I moved a bunch of stations on the Yellow, Red, and Blue Lines as well to conform to this apparent new naming convention. Please comment. Epicgenius (talk) 23:32, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Couldn't move Vienna (WMATA station), Huntington (WMATA station), Crystal City (WMATA station), Medical Center (WMATA station), Union Station (WMATA station), or Silver Spring (WMATA station), FYI. New Carrollton (WMATA station) has a RM. Epicgenius (talk) 23:35, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

They shouldn't be moved, and the others shouldn't have been moved in the first place. Did you know there was already a Huntington (LIRR station), Huntington (Amtrak station), Crystal City (VRE station), Medical Center (MARTA station), and Silver Spring Baltimore and Ohio Railroad Station? ---------User:DanTD (talk) 00:31, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

I knew that, so I didn't move the above linked articles. I agree they shouldn't be moved in the first place, but if they don't all have the same naming format, then it is just inconsistent, and the S-rail templates create a whole lot of redirects. Epicgenius (talk) 12:33, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Also see Talk:Shady_Grove_Station#Requested_move_23_December_2014 for a requested move. Epicgenius (talk) 12:33, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

"Greenbelt"

Greenbelt (WMATA station) is not currently listed at Green belt (disambiguation) -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 05:21, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

It was listed under its previous name, Greenbelt (Washington Metro). I've updated it. --BDD (talk) 20:07, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 7 February 2015

The request to rename this article to Greenbelt station has been carried out.

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– These Washington Metro (WMATA) stations were all moved recently in an attempt to implement the new WP:USSTATION naming conventions, but due to an editor noticing "Station" on signs he derailed the process to treat that as part of the official names, which it is not. The convention says to use lowercase station when it is used but is not part of the official station name. Neither the official station list nor the individual pages about the stations ever use "Station" as part of their names; and most guides that add "station" use lower case (e.g. these for L'Enfant station). For background, see the move review at Misplaced Pages:Move review/Log/2014 December#Greenbelt Station, in which the consensus from the previous closer and others seems to be to have a new discussion to fix this. The last 5 entries above each correspond to other multiple-RM discussions that were closed citing Greenbelt as precedent, so by extension this discussion will apply to a bunch more WMATA stations moved in those. Dicklyon (talk) 17:11, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Comment I don't necessarily disagree, but what a waste of time! Productivity could be better used in improving the articles rather than juggling names again. Oh! You really have to list all the WMATA stations here, since the last time was a disjointed mess and some will require specific disambiguation. Secondarywaltz (talk) 17:32, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

I think the disambiguation matters have been worked out. --BDD (talk) 17:55, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Weak oppose These are proper names, and they do have official usage (at least on pylons), even if that's less common. Lowercase looks a bit odd, like we're resorting to descriptive titles, which would be unnecessary. But as I've said before, we've already done the most important work by moving away from the old, contrived approach of forced disambiguation. If a bunch of editors agree with me, cool, but otherwise, I don't want the closer giving this comment too much weight. --BDD (talk) 17:55, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
Weak oppose Per BDD. Eric - Contact me please. I prefer conversations started on my talk page if the subject is changed 20:25, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
Support While it is a waste of time on these individual articles, this RM is setting a precedent for all of the US station articles, as well as shaping the WP:USSTATION guidelines. We should get it right this time to establish the actual naming convention. If "Station" is part of the official name, then "Station" should be capitalized. Otherwise, "station" should be lowercase. Other than some pylons containing "Station," there is no other evidence that "Station" is part of the proper name for WMATA stations. (Ex. for New Carrollton Station, see pictures of different pylons here and here, with evidence for other stations in commons:Category:Washington Metro stations. The pylons outside of the stations seem to always have "Station," while the pylons inside of the stations do not have the word.) Therefore, "station" should be lowercase for these articles. --Scott Alter (talk) 21:45, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
Procedural oppose. The move review you mentioned hasn't even been closed yet. -- Calidum 22:19, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

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