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The Tree of Life symbol Balkans - Serbs

Some interesting symbols and artifacts from the Balkans and around the world. It seems that Scythians were very huge ethnic group in the past, and most of them today are Slavs and Germans (Scandinavians too). https://www.scribd.com/doc/43082766/God-s-Firesteel-The-Tree-of-Life

There are some old epic songs of Serbs which were kept in vocal form and passed from generation to generation (Serbs were famous as bards of the Balkans in the past) about their return to India which was disastrous. Also, other investigators can pay attention to Serbian Slava, specific custom which was kept for centuries and succesfully implemented into Christianity. Also pay attention to word KOLOVRAT, there is ancient Roman town and graveyard with such a name and it was a SYMBOL 12 Scythes which reminds on the Sun.

There is a story that Serbs came from the Black sea to the Balkans, some connects them with Scytho-Sarmatian tribe Serboi, others with Sarbans (some Iranian tribe), Serbs had belief that they were always on the Balkans and that they migrated in 4 different sides of the world from there. SO, put the Serbian cross in present day Bulgaria and Crimea in the Black sea and you'll see where! To the North-East those were Proto-Turks and proto-Bulgars; to the South-East - Persians/Iranians, to the North-West - Western Slavs and Germans/Scandinavians and to the South-West present day Serbs, Bosnians, Albanians, Croats, Slovenians, Hungarians.

Of course these are just some legends, but for those who investigates can be a nice starting point! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.150.71.220 (talk) 16:17, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Clothing

According to Herodotus, Scythian costume consisted of padded and quilted leather trousers tucked into boots, and open tunics. They rode with no stirrups or saddles, just saddle-cloths. Herodotus reports that Scythians used cannabis, both to weave their clothing and to cleanse themselves in its smoke (Hist. 4.73–75); archaeology has confirmed the use of cannabis in funeral rituals. Pazyryk findings give the most number of almost fully preserved garments and clothing worn by the Scythian/Saka peoples. Ancient Persian bas-relief – Apadana or Behistun inscription, ancient Greek pottery, archaeological findings from Ukraine, Russia, Kazakhstan, China et al. give visual representations of these garments. Clothing was sewn from plain-weave wool, hemp cloth, silk fabrics, felt, leather and hides.

Scythian women dressed in much the same fashion as men. A Pazyryk burial, discovered in the 1990s, contained the skeletons of a man and a woman, each with weapons, arrowheads, and an axe. Men and warrior women wore tunics, often embroidered, adorned with felt applique work, or metal (golden) plaques. Persepolis Apadana serves a good starting point to observe tunics of the Sakas. They appear to be a sewn, long sleeve garment that extended to the knees and belted with a belt. Warrior belts were made of leather, often with gold or other metal adornments and had many attached leather thongs for fastening of the owner's gorytos, sword, whet stone, whip etc. Belts were fastened with metal or horn belt-hooks, leather thongs and metal (often golden) or horn belt-plates. Based on numerous archeological findings in Ukraine, southern Russian and Kazakhstan men and warrior women wore long sleeve tunics that were always belted, often with richly ornamented belts. The Kazakhstan Saka (e.g. Issyk Golden Man/Maiden) wore shorter tunics and more close fitting tunics than the Pontic steppe Scythians. Some Pazyryk culture Saka wore short belted tunic with a lapel on a right side, upright collar, 'puffed' sleeves narrowing at a wrist and bound in narrow cuffs of a color different from the rest of the tunic.

Men and women wore coats, e.g. Pazyryk Saka had many varieties, from fur to felt. They could have worn a riding coat that later was known as a Median robe or Kantus. Long sleeved, and open, it seems that on the Persepolis Apadana Skudrian delegation is perhaps shown wearing such coat. The Pazyryk felt tapestry shows a rider wearing a billowing cloak. Men and women wore long trousers also, often adorned with metal plaques and often embroidered or adorned with felt appliqués; trousers could have been wider or tight fitting depending on the area. Materials used depended on the wealth, climate and necessity.

There where however some differences between men and women outfit.

Herodotus says Sakas (man) had "high caps tapering to a point and stiffly upright and ... wore trousers." Asian Saka headgear is clearly visible on the Persepolis Apadana again staircase bas-relief – high pointed hat with flaps over ears and the nape of the neck. From China to the Danube delta, men seemed to have worn a variety of soft headgear – either conical like the one described by Herodotus, or rounder, more like a Phrygian cap. Based on the Pazyryk findings (can be seen also in the south Siberian, Uralic and Kazakhstan rock drawings) some caps were topped with zoomorphic wooden sculptures firmly attached to a cap and forming an integral part of the headgear, similar to the surviving nomad helmets from northern China. Women wore shawls, often richly decorated with metal (golden) plaques. Scythian women wore sometimes long, loose robes, ornamented with metal plaques (gold). Warriors, men and women, wore variations of long and shorter boots, wool-leather-felt gaiter-boots and moccasin-like shoes. They were either of a laced or simple slip on type. But women wore also soft shoes with metal (gold) plaques. Women wore a variety of different headdresses, some conical in shape others more like flattened cylinders, also adorned with metal (golden) plaques.

85.233.202.40 (talk) 20:18, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

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The text about clohing has several informations in contradiction. I propose this text

According to Herodotus, Scythian costume consisted of padded and quilted leather trousers tucked into boots, and open tunics. They rode with no stirrups or saddles, just saddle-cloths. Herodotus reports that Scythians used cannabis, both to weave their clothing and to cleanse themselves in its smoke (Hist. 4.73–75); archaeology has confirmed the use of cannabis in funeral rituals. Pazyryk findings give the most number of almost fully preserved garments and clothing worn by the Scythian/Saka peoples. Ancient Persian bas-relief – Apadana or Behistun inscription, ancient Greek pottery, archaeological findings from Ukraine, Russia, Kazakhstan, China et al. give visual representations of these garments. Clothing was sewn from plain-weave wool, hemp cloth, silk fabrics, felt, leather and hides. Scythian women dressed in much the same fashion as men. A Pazyryk burial, discovered in the 1990s, contained the skeletons of a man and a woman, each with weapons, arrowheads, and an axe. Men and warrior women wore tunics, often embroidered, adorned with felt applique work, or metal (golden) plaques. Persepolis Apadana serves a good starting point to observe tunics of the Sakas. They appear to be a sewn, long sleeve garment that extended to the knees and belted with a belt. Warrior belts were made of leather, often with gold or other metal adornments and had many attached leather thongs for fastening of the owner's gorytos, sword, whet stone, whip etc. Belts were fastened with metal or horn belt-hooks, leather thongs and metal (often golden) or horn belt-plates. Based on numerous archeological findings in Ukraine, southern Russian and Kazakhstan men and warrior women wore long sleeve tunics that were always belted, often with richly ornamented belts. The Kazakhstan Saka (e.g. Issyk Golden Man/Maiden) wore shorter tunics and more close fitting tunics than the Pontic steppe Scythians. Some Pazyryk culture Saka wore short belted tunic with a lapel on a right side, upright collar, 'puffed' sleeves narrowing at a wrist and bound in narrow cuffs of a color different from the rest of the tunic. Men and women wore coats, e.g. Pazyryk Saka had many varieties, from fur to felt. They could have worn a riding coat that later was known as a Median robe or Kantus. Long sleeved, and open, it seems that on the Persepolis Apadana Skudrian delegation is perhaps shown wearing such coat. The Pazyryk felt tapestry shows a rider wearing a billowing cloak. Men and women wore long trousers also, often adorned with metal plaques and often embroidered or adorned with felt appliqués; trousers could have been wider or tight fitting depending on the area. Materials used depended on the wealth, climate and necessity. There where however some differences between men and women dress. Herodotus says Sakas (man) had "high caps tapering to a point and stiffly upright and ... wore trousers." Asian Saka headgear is clearly visible on the Persepolis Apadana again staircase bas-relief – high pointed hat with flaps over ears and the nape of the neck. From China to the Danube delta, men seemed to have worn a variety of soft headgear – either conical like the one described by Herodotus, or rounder, more like a Phrygian cap. Based on the Pazyryk findings (can be seen also in the south Siberian, Uralic and Kazakhstan rock drawings) some caps were topped with zoomorphic wooden sculptures firmly attached to a cap and forming an integral part of the headgear, similar to the surviving nomad helmets from northern China. Women wore shawls, often richly decorated with metal (golden) plaques. Scythian women wore sometimes long, loose robes, ornamented with metal plaques (gold). Warriors, men and women, wore variations of long and shorter boots, wool-leather-felt gaiter-boots and moccasin-like shoes. They were either of a laced or simple slip on type. But women wore also soft shoes with metal (gold) plaques. Women wore a variety of different headdresses, some conical in shape others more like flattened cylinders, also adorned with metal (golden) plaques.

85.233.202.40 (talk) 20:58, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — {{U|Technical 13}} 20:26, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Iranic stock or just various tribes who shared same Iranic language?

I don't know why editors don't agree on a "acceptable revision". The lead changed again. According to revision history:

• Some users used "Iranian" or "Iranic" for all Scythians.
• Some user agree to use "Iranian-speaking" or "Iranic-speaking".
• And now User:Johnbod's revision:

1. So what were Scythians?! A general name for some Eurasian nomads? Majority of them were Iranic? Different tribes with different stocks and languages (Iranic, other Indo-Europeans, Turkic, Mongolic, Magyar, Uralic, etc.)?
2. If they were not Indo-Iranians (Aryan), then Scythian languages is just a weak theory/hypothesis?
3. So what about Sarmatian tribes and Alans?
4. This article needs a complete clean-up to solve this confusing things.

--188.158.69.139 (talk) 14:00, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

The vagueness reflects the notorious uncertainty of most things to do with the Scythians who, let's remember, flourished for around 1000 years in an area several '000 miles across, around 2000 years ago, and left almost no written records themselves. As long as scholars don't agree on them, Misplaced Pages won't either. Johnbod (talk) 22:42, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Just adding that much of the problem is the varied scope of the term, which some writers use for a large larger set of peoples than others. Johnbod (talk) 17:22, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

States

When did found the first Scythian state? How many states founded by the Scythians? britannica: "From the second half of the 8th century bce, the Cimmerians were replaced by the Scythians, who used iron implements. The Scythians created the first known typical Central Asian empire. The chief thrust of their expansion was directed against the south rather than the west, where no major power existed and which thus offered little chance for valuable booty. In the late 8th century bce, Cimmerian and Scythian troops fought against the Assyrian king Sargon II, and, at the end of the 6th century bce, conflict arose between the Scythians and the Achaemenian king Darius I." Pazkyle (talk) 09:06, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Should there be further detail regarding the usage of the term, "Scythian" by the Romans?

It seems that many primary sources which include references to others as "Scythians" do so in a very derogatory sense. Its usage as a term for referring to others as barbaric heathens, who live far away, which demonstrates the ignorance of the person using the term, seems like it deserves more explaining. Denoting the significance of the term's historical usage as a derogatory seems like it would be important for this article, and it is not clear from reading it what its true colors are. Further elaboration and citing primary sources that demonstrate the haughty attitudes had by citizens of the Western Latin world who used the terms for describing their perceptions of the East Romans. A number of Western Latin citizens saw the Greek-Eastern Romans as barbaric heathens and express their attitudes in reference to the transferring of Roman power and authority to Constantinople, that the once great city of Rome had gone mad, forsaken its values, and furthermore had somehow "receded into some Scythian wilderness". It resonates with the phrase, "going native". The usage of the term "Scythian" hardly ever seems to actually refer to actual Scythians, and comes off as a term which reeks of imperialism and claims moral highground over whom it presumes is any number of nasty adjectives such as, uncultured, barbaric, and filthy. I think its a term more people should be familiar with and I imagine discussing its usage in further detail will significantly improve the content of the article.

I don't trust my own writing well enough to do the edits myself. However, I thought I'd offer my feedback and advice on how to improve it.

Hope this helped in some small but marginally significant way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:A:F01:3724:3425:A735:1CFA:832E (talk) 16:09, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

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Clarify the lead section. Add a direct link to Scythian languages instead of Eastern Iranian languages. Why readers/viewers are forced to read a whole article about Eastern Iranian languages? Readers want direct info and details about Scythians, not all living, dead, extinct, ancient, old, modern, and new Eastern branch of Iranian languages. Thanks. --188.158.119.78 (talk) 06:23, 12 February 2015 (UTC) 188.158.119.78 (talk) 06:23, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Done Stickee (talk) 07:36, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Scythians were a Turkic people.

Scythians were not a Iranian, were a Turkic people. Madyas (talk) 22:48, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

1. A Special Issue on the Dating of Pazyryk. Source: Notes in the History of Art 10, no. 4, p. 4.
2. Ahmet Kanlidere, in: M. Ocak, H. C. Güzel, C. Oğuz, O. Karatay: The Turks: Early ages. Yeni Türkiye 2002, p.417

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