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I noticed you are putting alot of work into article development, which is great. However it can be frustrating once you leave something and articles degrade over time. You may be interested in Good Articles and Featured Articles, which serve as 'stable version' reference points to some degree. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:16, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

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It would be appreciated if you would take a little time to familiarize yourself with the Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style. It is the guidelines that we use to maintain consistent, high-quality articles on wikipedia. Thank you!—RJH (talk) 15:02, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

deletion tag

Would you please explain your addition of a speedy deletion tag to Alpha Centauri ? DGG (talk) 13:13, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

deletion here I can't explain. error of somekind? 13:32, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

If it was really an error, perhaps you would like to remove the notice you placed on my Talk page, or at least add an apology there. --Zundark (talk) 14:17, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

OK, many apologies. I think I changed My Preferences, which has changed the menu bar, and I've just done some thing silly.Arianewiki1 (talk) 14:25, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Likewise, I've just removed the {{hangon}} tag from this page. Booglamay (talk) 14:56, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Your edit comment

I didn't attack any editor here. In fact, you previously said my same comment to me. Drastically reverting contributions like Largehole's, as you did, just makes others not to want to join in. The Proxima Centauri page is excellent, and your contribution is appreciated, but others have the right to improve it. Your previous criticisms of dissatisfaction made me stop contributing before. Also if you want to berate someone, you should also sign your name!!! 4 ~ isn't that hard! Arianewiki1 (talk) 16:55, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Plasma cosmology

Regarding your recent edits to Plasma cosmology, please start a discussion on the talk page explaining your concerns. I see that you have previously been warned about edit warring. Please use caution. Vsmith (talk) 12:53, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

I do not require 'caution', which seems more like an unveiled threat. The removal of this text was warranted as it is unrelated to Plasma Cosmology, and whose research has been mostly discredited and is out of date. Dominus Vobisdu was entirely wrong in his submission. Furthermore, the references given are irrelevant. The history of bias and deliberate agenda on the page has been well documented, with several being banned. I am well versed on this subject. Arianewiki1 (talk) 13:07, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Alfven did say that the results of plasma experiments scaled to magnetospheres, see his paper. "Scaling up results of laboratory research by a factor of 10 makes them applicable to magnetospheric conditions. (...) In the magnetosphres, plasma exists in an active and a passive state. This is probably true for all cosmic plasmas." p. 314

I reworked the caption of the image. --Enric Naval (talk) 09:38, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes he did, but it did not say this in regard to plasma cosmology. Furthermore, this postulate has been mostly rejected on observational grounds. I.e. Interstellar clouds or galaxies do not appear as magnetospheres, only planetary bodies, the sun and stars are magnetospheres. (Sheets are also not magnetospheres.) The article is about plasma cosmology not on magnetospheres. Arianewiki1 (talk) 09:47, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

You recently reverted an edit of Plasma Cosmology attempting to enforce the phrase "mostly rejected". Please provide the Polling Agency and Survey that was hired to conducted this study, otherwise I will have to assume this phrase was invented and has no place in an article educating people about this topic. This study should reflect a large enough statistical sampling performed in a professional scientific fashion. Orrerysky (talk) 02:22, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

I disagree. "mostly rejected" is based on fact not hearsay. Contrarily, it could also be said where is the "Polling Agency and Survey that was hired to conducted this study" for supporting plasma cosmology, eh? I.e. Can you prove that the Big Bang is "mostly rejected" or "mostly unknown" too?

(Funny. The Big Bang is in most modern astronomy/cosmology textbooks, while plasma cosmology is not! Is that a suggest that plasma cosmology is "most rejected". I'd say yes.)

As you already know that plasma cosmology is not accepted by mainstream science, an this explains why you be pushing so hard to rewrite this article!!!

Sorry. It seems the more you say, the more you exposure your seemingly unspoken agenda. I've seen it all before with the very article. Arianewiki1 (talk) 02:39, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

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NGC 3532

I have restored the references and referenced material you deleted. Please discuss this on the talk page if you disagree. -- Elphion (talk) 18:45, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Please do not change this until I have a chance to restore the references for this. O'Meara;'s book is greatly discredited for just making up names of deep-sky objects - especially southern ones. I strongly discourage you to quote his work. The cluster is commonly called in the southern sky as the "Football Cluster", which it has been known for decades Arianewiki1 (talk) 18:57, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Caldwell

Your remark that Caldwell numbers are not frequently used by observers is simply false. They are becoming more and more common, especially among amateurs, and will probably eventually become as popular as Messier numbers. The references you are removing are there to signify to people who are coming to the page through forwards from Caldwell entries that they have arrived at the right place. -- Elphion (talk) 18:58, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Southern observers never use it, and what you are forgetting is that the identifiers are more often either Dunlop or Herschel numbers. I suggest you visit the webpage http://www.ngcicproject.org/ , and use its database. I.e. NGC 3532 is Lac II 10, h.3315 or Dunlop Δ323. The Caldwell numbers are useless to observers, and it has not been adopted in the south. You can say the same for the Bennett Catalogue. I recommend that you not place it after the NGC number as it is not easily searched by it. If you must insert it, place it in the sidebox under "names=", please. Arianewiki1 (talk) 19:12, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

You have not answered my point. Who do you mean by "observers"? If professional astronomers, I certainly agree. But the Caldwell numbers are acquiring a currency among amateurs that we should not ignore. -- Elphion (talk) 19:21, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Will you please stop removing the Caldwell numbers. Whether any one of them is the usual designation is not the point -- the fact that an object is one of the Caldwell objects is of interest in itself. -- Elphion (talk) 19:29, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

I will if you will just stop reverting everything before I can even place references to support my changes! The Caldwell Catalogue and O'Meara's books as quote for references should be closer to the original sources. I.e, NGC 3532 references to Lacaille and John Herschel quotes should be from better sources. I.e. DOCdb :Deep Sky Observer's Companion – the online database http://www.docdb.net/object_index.php, Herschel (1847), John Dunlop (1828), Lacaille (1751-52), etc. O'Meara's quoting is making out he is the primary source, just like his latest Southern Sky book. He is not a primary source!! Arianewiki1 (talk) 19:42, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I did not mean to step on an edit in progress. (I generally add the references when I make the changes.) I do use the NGC/IC Project frequently. I had not been aware of DOCdb; thanks for the pointer. I agree that those are preferable to O'Meara in this regard. --- Elphion (talk) 19:57, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

I agree. I am happy to restore the references, but it takes time to sort out the format and the actual source. As for the Caldwell Catalogue, read 2nd paragraph at http://britastro.org/jbaa/pdf/113-3omeara.pdf or http://www.cloudynights.com/documents/caldwell.pdf, and this will give some support in not using it. Most southern observers despise this whole listing as irrelevant , mostly because how it was contrived. I.e. http://www.cloudynights.com/documents/caldwell.pdf What has most people cross is the naming of southern objects that have no history, especially when the book was written, he had not seen many of the objects himself in a telescope! Arianewiki1 (talk) 20:21, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

I have to say I don't understand the snark heaped on the Caldwell list -- though I grant Patrick Moore rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. Yes, there are a few misses -- as there are also in Messier's list. But the idea is a good one, and by and large the objects are well-chosen. The important point is that it is increasingly being used as a source of objects to go looking for once you've done the Ms; and that growing utility should be accommodated here. My gut says that Caldwell is here to stay, as its inclusion in DOCdb attests. -- Elphion (talk) 22:53, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, its junk. Northern observers might use it, but in the south it's already badly tainted. Just another northern observer thinking they can impose their twisted minds for objects they can never see. At least Bennett was southern. Arianewiki1 (talk) 06:12, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Omega Centauri

Hi! You were spot on about James Dunlop's discovery of Omega Centauri, but the next time you change factual information like that on a Misplaced Pages article, it would help your cause greatly to include a reference. I put one in where you edited. Thank you for your correction! Cheers. CarringtonEnglish_*t/c* 21:18, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, but not appreciated. I was right in the middle of editing the page and adding the reference when you changed it! (I've been trying to do it this way to avoid an edit war! Arianewiki1 (talk) 21:22, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Do you have the reference?CarringtonEnglish_*t/c* 21:24, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

If you had a better reference url than mine, I'm sorry. Just replace it, or you can give me the url and I can do it.CarringtonEnglish_*t/c* 21:33, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

I have. I just added Dunlop's original 1828 reference. Arianewiki1 (talk) 21:53, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Carina Nebula

You boldly changed this article a day or so ago: I’ve reverted it per WP:BRD and opened the discussion here, if you care to comment. Moonraker12 (talk) 09:16, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

It need changing, as it is quite wrong. I'd suggest you leave it, else a barrage of references be cited proving the point. Caldwell is irrevant, as it is not commonly used for the Eta Carina Nebula. Arianewiki1 (talk) 11:20, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

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Caldwell: "serious issues"

If you feel there are "serious issues", discuss them on the talk page. Otherwise the tags should be removed. -- Elphion (talk) 17:17, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. I'm doing this right now!! Q1. Are you British or American? Q2: What relationship do you have with Moore, S&T, Cambridge Publishing, O'Meara? Arianewiki1 (talk) 17:41, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

A1: That's immaterial. A2: no relationship with any of the above. -- Elphion (talk) 17:50, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

The reason for my impatience is that once the tags were removed, you should have opened a talk page entry *first* explaining your reasons, before reinstating the flags. Otherwise these come across as drive-by shootings. -- Elphion (talk) 17:54, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

You should not have have removed them in the first place. Arianewiki1 (talk) 19:18, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Based on your tags, I added references (far more than necessary), removed some material, and generally examined the article for more POV and found none, so having fixed the article, I removed the tags. This is the way it is supposed to work. You are welcome to reinstate the tags, but only after explaining why you think the problem is not fixed. I will address your remarks on the talk page when I have time; basically they say nothing about the quality of the article (which is certainly not POV). Your accusation that I am "pushing" Caldwell -- whether because of association with S&T or Moore or O'Meara or because of Moore's death (of which I was unaware) is simply false, and a breach of "assume good faith". I do feel Caldwell is useful, and believe it should be covered in WP. I am hardly alone in this. -- Elphion (talk) 19:37, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, the evidence clearly shows you are "pushing" Caldwell, just from your statements. I.e. "But the Caldwell numbers are acquiring a currency among amateurs that we should not ignore. -- Elphion (talk) 19:21, 8 June 2013 (UTC)" (If that is not POV what is?) I am just trying to understand your quite obvious bias.

Also article balance means that it takes all points of view, not just ones supporting something. Worst it is promoting the subject instead of properly explaining it - and does so across multiple pages. I.e. Inferring the Caldwell object number is second only to the NGC number, for example. Arianewiki1 (talk) 19:50, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

The references changes are insufficient. It is even more biassed than before it! Please see my reply http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Caldwell_catalogue#Tags.3B_tone Q. Are you a northern observer? Arianewiki1 (talk) 19:56, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

See my response there. Apologies for spelling your user name inconsistently -- which I am at a loss to explain, being familiar with both the rocket and the mythological character (whose compound with -wiki is particularly clever). I hope I caught them all. -- Elphion (talk) 23:25, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

It matters not… Arianewiki1 (talk) 23:32, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Heya

Echo says that you mentioned me on Talk:Caldwell catalogue#Tags; tone. Did you (and if so, why), or was it just Echo being weird? Thanks, Ansh666 01:40, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

No, I don't think I did? More info, please??? Arianewiki1 (talk) 02:44, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

The notification says this:

Arianewiki1 mentioned you on Talk:Caldwell catalogue.
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I don't think you did, though. I guess the system just decided that "hey, let's give someone random an even more random notification!" Sorry! Ansh666 03:10, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Zero problem. Happy editing!! Arianewiki1 (talk) 03:21, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Your recent editing history at Carina Nebula shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. A discussion has started on the talk page. Comment there rather than edit waring on the article. What you claim to be obviously wrong isn't obvious to other people, so BRD does apply, and you should join in the discussion. Thanks. GedUK  11:41, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

This is a classic example of forced false verification. The article is wrong because of wrong assertion that this is the Carina Nebula, when it is historically clear it is called the Eta Carina Nebula. Again It is another example of falsification. The reason the term "Carina Nebulae" exists is because of the large number of paper on this object, which when published distinguishes between papers. The Wiki user continues not to recognise this fact, which shows lack of knowledge than deliberate misleading, which was enacted by changing the name of the article. Unless he can prove otherwise, these changes should stand. There is a difference between usage and actual origins. It is clear the person refuses to discuss this issue rationally. (I am an expert is this field, so know what if talking about.) Arianewiki1 (talk) 14:33, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Arianewiki1, you are likely to be blocked if this continues. Your expertise won't have any benefit if you wind up being excluded from the article due to stubbornness. Please wait for other people to agree with you on the article's talk page. If your position is correct, you should be able to persuade others. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 00:47, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.  GedUK  21:08, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Arianewiki1 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I have complied with the request, and have added reasons and references why this is wrong in the Carina talk page.

Decline reason:

Merely insisting that you are right about the content dispute won't get you unblocked. If you agree to get consensus first before making any more edits about this issue, admins might reconsider the block. Your comments on the talk page like "Thank you for showing your bias" and "outright fraud" will not win you any friends here. EdJohnston (talk) 17:32, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

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Request reason:

Not wishing to fight the issue, but I feel these words are unfairly targeting me for the wrong reasons.Arianewiki1 (talk) 18:12, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Per discussion below. — Daniel Case (talk) 03:37, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

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The words "Thank you for showing your bias" made in response to "Or that southern observers should take precedence because it's in the the southern sky?" Made by; Moonraker12 (talk) 11:48, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

The "...outright fraud" I was talking about was with the article NGC 3766, which referred to the name "Pearl Cluster", which was linked to an External links site "The Pearl Cluster", which was advertising a likely fraudulent jewellery site. I had repaired this, whose original page was http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=NGC_3766&oldid=488555036 There are others with the same problem.

My statement was; "Fraudulent naming of deep-sky objects have been found on several by me, with motives from commercialism to outright fraud."

(I have just received 'official' notification another of these problems, by user AndJames @ the site http://cdsannotations.u-strasbg.fr/annotations/simbadObject/3050700 . It shows the same problem as NGC 3766 for open star cluster NGC 2516 (named the "Diamond Cluster'. This is another fix by me in a Wiki article. [This is likely to be discussed on an official level, where naming celestial objects is controlled by International Astronomical Union.

Yet you do the right thing, and your punished for it?

As for " If you agree to get consensus first before making any more edits about this issue, admins might reconsider the block" OK I agree, as I've already said in the first request to unblock.

Again, please kindly reconsider. Arianewiki1 (talk) 18:02, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

I have asked the blocking admin if he wants to comment. Nobody will object if you remove an external link to pearlcluster.org. We wouldn't describe that as 'outright fraud', it is spam, and we just remove it. If you assume that people in the other hemisphere are merely biased, you are not assuming good faith. Your comments about bias are borderline personal attacks. You made the following comment:

The article is wrong because of wrong assertion that this is the Carina Nebula, when it is historically clear it is called the Eta Carina Nebula. Again It is another example of falsification.

The right name for the nebula is simply a content dispute, but the word 'falsification' makes it sound as though other editors are lying. If this is going to be your style of reasoning on Misplaced Pages, you may find it impossible to cooperate with others. EdJohnston (talk) 01:19, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

@ EdJohnston (talk)

The beginning of the talk page of the article on Carina Nebula says; "The nebula is not called the Eta Carinae nebula, it is the Carina Nebula or the Great Nebula in Carina. The Eta Carinae nebula is also known as the Homonculus and is the much smaller nebula surrounding the star. --Keflavich 01:23, 27 April 2007 (UTC)"

This (and many of the statements following), are simply wrong.

I've given evidence to support this claim. Falsification means "prove (a statement or theory) to be false." I.e. The hypothesis is falsified by the evidence. Yet now you say this is evidence of me accusing someone of lying? (Falsification is not the same as false evidence.) Suggest you read Falsifiability (and nowhere does it refer to lying.)

If we look at what Moonraker12 said of my comment https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Carina_Nebula "Some papers generally refer to this as the Carina Nebula, mostly because of differentiating the many paper published on this object, but the historical precedence as determined by southern observers like James Dunlop and John Herschel, who have both termed it the Eta Argus Nebula or Eta Carina Nebula.", when he says "I have tagged this as dubious." Isn't nearly calling me lying too?

My the ban is for "Edit warring" not WP:NPA. Does this mean you are extending this towards the ban to include this too against me too?

As for "Nobody will object if you remove an external link to pearlcluster.org. We wouldn't describe that as 'outright fraud', it is spam, and we just remove it."

I had already removed it, so I don't understand how you have done so?

Let me give you some real background here, which has been in discussion with several professional groups, and prevent the false naming of objects;

"Now I have found a new tricky problem, which I unsure how to solve. It is to do with the open clusters of NGC 2516, 3766 and 3532. It is about the given names of these cluster, being the Diamond Cluster, the Pearl Cluster and the Wishing Well Cluster, respectively. It is based on an extensive article I've almost completed on the southern cluster NGC 2516 in Carina.

"I have found that these names were likely fraudulently made up on Misplaced Pages during March 2006, and since then, amateurs in seeing these articles have openly spread the word. Worse they have been related to many popular publications on deep-sky observing.

"Yet you will also obviously note since then, has been quoted verbatim in nearly every internet source, including I may add, to the main CDS SIMBAD database. It seems that a fellow by the anonymous name of ‘Reg Carter’ who first quotes the “Diamond Cluster” on 8th November 2008. (no long a wiki author, and posted only thirteen contributions, but all are only related to the open clusters NGC 3532 (C91), NGC 3766 (C97) and NGC 2516 (C96). Each are Caldwell Objects.

"Another oddly named Centaurus open cluster first discovered by N. Lacaillé is NGC 3766 / Lac III 7 / Δ289 / Mel 107 (11361-6137) which he calls “The Pearl Cluster” as posted on the wiki site on 23rd March 2006. (I’ve never heard of this before.) Diamonds and pearls… Umm. Yet when you go to the external link, it goes and advertises earring and necklaces. (http://www.pearlcluster.com/ , but oddly the owner of the site doesn’t mention his name to sell the stuff excepting an Amazon link. Searching for the site owner, I found the PearlCluster registration to Godaddy, which suggests the individual is an Australian but whose site is registered at Scottsdale, Arizona in America. Guess what. It was created on the 13th March 2006 and only just ten days from the wiki posting. See http://dawhois.com/site/pearlcluster.com.html for confirmation.) I again looked into the history, and found a seconded user by the name of ‘Seventy-Three’ added this advertising link on 26th April 2006. Umm. So I then did the so-called RBL Check (Real-time Black Hole List) http://dawhois.com/rbl_check/?query=pearlcluster.com , which lists this a “very bad” site. Other investigations suggests this person has some legal issues with his merchandise

"Yet another is the ‘Wishing Well Cluster’ for the open cluster NGC 3532, which was also added to Misplaced Pages on 13th March 2006, but also directed to yet another dubious link! This is linked to a registered to www.NGC3532.com, which was Australian registered to Godaddy on 22nd February 2006. This site, however expired on 22nd February, 2012. http://dawhois.com/site/ngc3532.com.html

"Another, probably unrelated, is the alleged ‘Bat Nebula’ for IC 2948 (C100), which is better known as the ‘Running Chicken Nebula’ or even the earlier common name of ‘Lambda Centauri Nebula.’ According to O’Meara, he says there was a error in the name of this cluster, where it was improperly named the ‘Gamma Centauri Nebula.’ Yet the Bat Nebula appears at another page selling stuff, purportedly of an astronomical image of this nebula. (One of the earliest reference I could find dates to 8th April 2007 on the IceInSpace site with an image produced by ‘Footprint’

"We also see links to ‘List of NGC objects’ tables with ‘Name Added.’ I suspect we’ve all been openly duped!

"I knew Misplaced Pages is often quoted as being unreliable, but fraud on this kind of scale is unbelievable! Worst still, all the suckers amateurs have not picked this up even after six-odd years!

"Since then I’ve written to the Misplaced Pages management and like to International Astronomical Union (IAU) for their overall advice, but have not changed the wiki source at the time of writing (31st March, 2013.) I hope to receive a reply on how to fix all of this.

"It might now mean going through all the websites using these names and asking to delete the references. The entire episode here has left me totally dumbfounded and really angry. I’m also unsure how to undo the damage here. The only way to solve this is to have a registry of names held by the IAU, whose proper name can only be adopted with proof of its common usage.

"In the meantime, if true, then all these dubious three or four names here should be now immediately dropped!"

At the moment, I'm trying to fix the mess in the real world, whose problem almost certainly stems from Misplaced Pages.

My use of words and reasoning here is impeccable, and you still insist on calling me "insincere." As I said, I have expert knowledge on this subject. Arianewiki1 (talk) 07:42, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Your use of reasoning is impeccable????? No, not according to WP:BRD and the rest of Misplaced Pages's policies. How you fix anything is through WP:CONSENSUS, not by unilateral declaration that you're an expert, and that you're right. There's a reason experts find Misplaced Pages difficult to edit - and you're simply proving it. (✉→BWilkins←✎) 12:36, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

BWilkins Hello, how are you, pleased to meet you. Thanks for the kind introduction. I sorry. I don't know who you are, and I've never heard of your user name before.

Actually I am trying to show than I am an expert in this area, and am attempting to bring in the real world some order to the naming of deep-sky objects via a submission to the International Astronomical Union who are responsible for the laws governing the agreed policies in naming of objects beyond the earth. Whilst "WP:CONSENSUS, not by unilateral declaration that you're an expert" might be true, it is disingenuous to discount this as a method to persuade others (as suggested by EdJohnston. I gave an specific example of my expertise. With respect, this does not nurture assuming good faith, as exactly pointed out to me by EdJohnston.

Kicking someone when being accused of everything under the sun, other than the issue of edit warring, will only persuade individuals of so-called wiki atheism. Sure I don't know all the rules of editing, but there are surely nicer ways of saying that than your statement above. Arianewiki1 (talk) 05:22, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Arianewiki1, this edit at Carina Nebula still causes concern. You wrote: "Undid revision 559639532 by Moonraker12 (talk) i'm not intimidated regardless of the consequences. Banned I maybe, but this is a deliberate at falsification." This edit has nothing to do with jewelry or pearl clusters or anything. You seem to be angry about the person adding alternate names for this nebula, and you reverted the usage of the Caldwell catalog in the lead. Besides the incorrect aspersion ('falsification'), this is improper editing for a person like yourself who didn't find a single person to support your viewpoint at Talk:Carina Nebula. EdJohnston (talk) 13:12, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

@ EdJohnston I'm am rather disappointed with your response here. You say that "You seem to be angry about the person adding alternate names for this nebula." This is incorrect. My actual response was towards the seeming deliberate REMOVAL of a name for this nebula, where the name Eta Carina Nebula (or Eta Carinae Nebula) did not appear at all before I made even one edit. (Since then, I have given references to support this, and now it now appears on the page.)

Yes, you are correct. I made a mistake in saying that. Bit confused from all the edits and to-and-fro in the responses here. I had no intent to deceive. (Though you might like to read my last important comment stated below.) Sorry. Arianewiki1 (talk) 07:00, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Furthermore, I am happy to answer the charge of edit warring, which you have levelled and then sanctioned against me. Issues outside of this, like accusing me of being 'angry', are unsupported and places me in a negative light. I have contributed to many articles without issue for 1799 items across 104 pages. Arianewiki1 (talk) 05:51, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Re fraudulent names: I appreciate Arianewiki1's dedication to accuracy, but I think in this case he has jumped to unwarranted conclusions. I became interested in these names when I saw that they had been removed from the relevant WP articles as "fraudulent". On talk: NGC 3532 I asked for more information, because "Wishing Well Nebula" does appear on several websites, but Arianewiki1 has not had time to respond there.

So in light of the explanation above, I poked around a bit, and found a more straight-forward explanation: the names are due to Ray Palmer, an Australian amateur astro-photographer. Palmer inaugurated the South Celestial Star Light Project in 2006 to popularize southern celestial objects, and provided new names for several that had no widely accepted popular names. New names are not "fraudulent" -- amateur astronomers coin them all the time. Some catch on, some don't. I have seen all the names above on webpages, "The Wishing Well Nebula" with some frequency. But the vehemence above has needlessly tarnished the name of Reg Carter (talk · contribs) and completely obscured the actual origin of the names.

-- Elphion (talk) 16:22, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

@ Elphion I gratefully and do appreciate your extensive comments here, which will prove very useful to what I am trying to do. The quote and 2010 references will aid me extensively in my external IAU submission. I knew of many of the statements beforehand, as my earlier quote was just a summary showed the weakness of people willing to use Misplaced Pages as a promotion tool. As for Reg Carter, I have information attaching him directly to the alleged commercial site. Also the Astronomical Society of Western Australian has no knowledge of the naming of these clusters. Also the photos you allude to are being sold for profit, and the names were probably added to sell these pictures. The issue is that the naming of celestial objects are recognised by places like SIMBAD on the proviso they are commonly used names that have existed for some time I.e. Many decades. The problem is not that people cannot give names to these objects. They can. The problem is if some name is created, is that their can be confusion in where it is used. It is problematic in astronomical papers and abstracts, and finding said objects in search engines. A litany of annotations makes organising data very difficult for all. This is why the IAU is wishing that the naming of astronomical objects be discouraged. (See Next comment.) Arianewiki1 (talk) 06:51, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

When the current unpleasantness blows over, I would like to continue this discussion of Palmer's names. I don't discount the possibility you raise, but I would like to see the evidence. "I have information" doesn't give me much to go on! Concerning your question below about renaming the article, I'd recommend letting that go until the block expires and then raising the issue on talk:Carina Nebula as a move request; that's the correct venue. -- Elphion (talk) 10:14, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

IMPORTANT @ [[User talk:Ged UK|UK, EdJohnston BWilkins Moonraker12

According to the IAU site "Naming of Astronomical Objects" http://www.iau.org/public/naming/#nebulae, and here recommend the names of deep-sky objects (via link) should pertain to the following list entitled "A Collection of Some Common Names for Deep Sky Objects" http://messier.seds.org/xtra/supp/d-names.html

Misplaced Pages already has a page Naming conventions (astronomical objects), which only found when defending myself against this ban. Here is says;

'"Common names] See WP:COMMONNAME Common names should be used for article names in preference to official, IAU-sanctioned names where the former are widely used and are unambiguous.

(Isn't this statement written incorrectly. It is very confusing.)

Eta Carinae Nebula is the IAU common name, therefore justifying as the page title.

(I'd assume that Carina Nebula, would be the secondary name, and this justifies my actual claims to change it!)

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(astronomical_objects) In this list, by the way, appears "Eta Carinae Nebula" but no "Carina Nebula." (Also none of the others appear in this list.)

Clearly I've made an error in judgement not understand the intricate rules in editing.

Q1 Should I submit a third appeal?

Q2. Should the Carina Nebula header for the article be changed to Eta Carinae Nebulae, based on this clear evidence?

Arianewiki1 (talk) 06:51, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Look

Here's the bottom line: Misplaced Pages runs on WP:CONSENSUS. If you propose an edit on the talkpage of an article and 15 other people say "no", then it means "no" - even if you have 3 PhD's and have actually visited the Nebula. Yes, this means that consensus does often over-rule verifiability. On Misplaced Pages, we don't care about your credentials - we only care about the credentials of whatever reliable sources you're using to prove your edit. Misplaced Pages is actually very unfriendly towards academics for this very reason - we never permit original research and synthesis, which drives academics batty.

You may indeed be right about the name of the whatever - however, if everyone else has reliable sources that say otherwise, you will (and pretty much always will) be out of luck. Right now this is a mere 1 week block for continued edit-warring because you believe you hold the WP:TRUTH - that kind of behaviour is unacceptable on this project, and will lead to more blocks, no matter how right you think you are.

Since the cornerstones of unblock requests are a) understanding why you were blocked and b) promising to never repeat the behaviour that led to it, you do not yet seem to be ready for an unblock - your edits above make me believe you're simply going to try again. As such, until you understand the block, don't submit a request - eventually you'll lose access to this talkpage.

By the way - you're right, you've never heard of me before: when you submitted an unblock request, it advised admins who patrol requests for unblocks - and I'm one of them.

In short, STOP trying to show that you're an expert in the field: it actually turns people off. Try instead to show that you're an expert in providing useful, third party reliable sources - now that turns people on around here (✉→BWilkins←✎) 09:17, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

You mentioned me?

My notifications here say that you mentioned me at Talk:Caldwell_catalogue#Tags.3B_tone -- not sure what that's about since I don't see my name on the page. Did I miss something that I should have been paying attention to? Banaticus (talk) 22:15, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

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Removing talk page comments

Is there a reason why you removed my comments from the merge discussion? Woodroar (talk) 17:54, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

No. I am aware I removed anything of yours at all. I look into it and get back to you. (If I did something silly, my immediate apologies.) Arianewiki1 (talk) 19:51, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

I think I might have done this accidentally. Sorry. Retore it as you like. :) Arianewiki1 (talk) 20:07, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

No worries, I figured it was either a mistake or you thought I was trolling. Cheers! Woodroar (talk) 22:59, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

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Template:Z33 Bishonen | talk 00:29, 7 June 2014 (UTC).

Thanks for this. I'll ignore it, because I've done nothing wrong, and I have actively attempted to gain consensus on the topic. Arianewiki1 (talk) 06:19, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

A really bad idea. You've accused an editor of edit warring and said reverting isn't helpful, and then proceeded to make two reverts. Dougweller (talk) 08:42, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

What's a bad idea? Yopienso had changed the page removing the citations requested, and I've corrected the text with what the reference source actually says. Was Yopienso incorrect to change this without discussion on the talk page? Or should I have reversed all of Yopienso modifications for not seeking consensus?

As for the reverts, where / when does is say that is OK to do so, when I've was clearly marking a problem with the text, and I'm trying seeking consensus?

Question. Why are you not acting is solving the problem of fixing the text in question?

You seem here more worried by my alleged behaviour rather than solving the problems faced in the article on Flood geology

Do nothing. Is that what you want me to do here?? Arianewiki1 (talk) 14:23, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Warning:Disruptive editing on Flood geology

I'm becoming uncertain whether the issue with your editing on Flood geology is disruptive intent or a competence issue, in view of your many posts on Talk:Flood geology which ostensibly respond to other people's posts but persistently fail to engage with their arguments. I'm thinking especially but not at all exclusively of your comments on the sentence in the article lead that "Most adherents hold to a literal reading of Genesis 6-9 and view its passages to be historically accurate, where the Bible's internal chronology reliably places the Flood and the story of Noah's Ark within the last five thousand years." (Later changed to "Proponents", then by you to "Some proponents", currently again reading "Proponents", and some less important wording changes attempting to make the sentence less clunky, but I'm quoting the sentence as it read when you complained of it.) You apparently believe that it is true that most adherents of flood geology do believe this, but that "the implications of the sentence has been manipulated here to actually infers most Christians believe in Flood geology." Your claim of manipulation and of such an unlikely implication is not only untrue, it's incomprehensible. You give no arguments for it, yet you continue to insist on it to the point of using it as a reason for repeated reverts. You are editing disruptively on both the article and the talkpage, edit warring on the article as well as liberally and spuriously accusing others of edit warring and NPOV violations on Talk. Please edit and discuss constructively, or I will be forced to sanction you to protect the article from deterioration and its editors from the attrition caused by your currect debating style. A sanction would either take the form of a block or a topic ban from pages relating to flood geology and other Creation Science topics.

I should note also, since I'm giving this warning as an uninvolved admin, that you have claimed on Talk that I, along with other editors, have "repeatably reversed any other User contributions regarding this one line in the Article. They have tried to insist on the wording as to seemingly maintain their own POV (without adding any necessary references), and this has endless debated by them in the Talk pages without compromise." I have responded to this rather surprising statement (perhaps you may not actually have intended the accusations to apply to me, who have only trivially edited the article and had at that point never edited the talkpage, never mind "endlessly debated" on it?) here. Bishonen | talk 17:29, 7 June 2014 (UTC).

I actually give up. No matter what I think or edit here, other users like User:Yopienso can change it without discussion, while anything I argue to support the changing of just two words (now deleted, and the paragraph reedited). Now you threaten sanctions because I had edited some Creation Science topic, which was reverted without discussion. Q. Has User:Yopienso done anything wrong here by editing this page, especially as it is supposed to be 'dissussed' via a Talk page ? (I do ask because I'm honestly now totally confused.) I.e. There is nothing now to be edited because the problem has been 'solved' by someone else? Whilst this whole article has many flaws, changing things midway has just made life more difficult. Arianewiki1 (talk) 17:47, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I give up too. I notice that you as usual engage with nothing I have said and instead want to discuss other editors. Just please be aware of my warning next time you edit Flood geology and its talkpage. Have you clicked on any of the links you have been given, for instance the ones in the templated discretionary sanctions alert above? They're informative. You might be interested in the Arbitration Committee's final decision in the pseudoscience case here, for instance. Bishonen | talk 18:02, 7 June 2014 (UTC).

Again. Comment please. Q. Has User:Yopienso done anything wrong here by editing this page, especially as it is supposed to be 'dissussed' via a Talk page ? (I do ask because I'm honestly now totally confused.) I.e. There is nothing now to be edited because the problem has been 'solved' by someone else? Whilst this whole article has many flaws, changing things midway has just made life more difficult. Arianewiki1 (talk) 18:06, 7 June 2014 (UTC)'

Actually, I'm quite aware of the difficult issues with Pseudoscience I.e. . See my part in discussion with User talk:Orrerysky Arianewiki1 (talk) 18:17, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Ariane. I think my edits have been uncontroversial. Wrt to "some proponents" v. "proponents," I purposely did not write "all proponents." That would be too strong. But, "some proponents" is too weak. Eliminating a qualifier denotes that, generally, proponents of flood geology hold to a literal interpretation of Gen. 6-9. I'm a little surprised at the way you're mentioning me here since yesterday you sent me a "Thank" for my editing.

I think that maybe if you take a deep breath and listen to the input, you'll see where your fellow editors are coming from. Best wishes, Yopienso (talk) 18:19, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your useful comments. I should say I thanked you for removing the word 'reliable', which was the main point of contention that others had argued against and simply reverted my changes. The issue is that the Bible is unreliable on the alleged age of Noah's Flood. I added the range only to show this was the case. You have show my POV was more likely correct.

As my question on you towards Bishonen it is not personal but about the process. I.e. You can make changes with impunity, while I'm threatened with sanctions, when your statement then seemingly perfectly agrees with mine! (Seemingly, if I edit now, according to Bishonen, I'm passed off as dead!) Arianewiki1 (talk) 19:12, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

I forgot to mention my revert of your edit wrt the time of Noah's flood. The lede said, ". . . the Bible's internal chronology to place the Flood and the story of Noah's Ark within the last five thousand years." (My emphasis.) My source says, "Noah's Flood (about 4,500-5,000 years ago)". Those two statements are not contradictory: 4500-5000 is within the last 5000 yrs. I felt your revert there was simply contentious. Judging by your edit summary, "The given reference says 4500 to 5000 years ago not 5000 years. Changed," perhaps you read too quickly and didn't notice the word "within." I don't actually mind if it says 4500-5000; what I mind is contentious or sloppy editing, which I perceived on your part. Yopienso (talk) 18:36, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Edits incorrectly called vandalism.

You recently removed the common names for planetary nebulae NGC 2516 and NGC 2899 citing vandalism. I have reverted your edits, the common names are correct and I have added references to that effect, please assume good faith.Theroadislong (talk) 14:45, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Actually, the source of this is "Imaging the Southern Sky : An Amateur Astronomer’s Guide" By Stephen Chadwick Ian Cooper" on pg.70 (2012) . This is not the common name of the cluster and has not been used commonly by anyone. It is among the fictions generated by these authors, which are causing great problems with usual naming procedures. All these names are bogus. Including 20 others. As such, they should be removed. Arianewiki1 (talk) 16:53, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

IP editor at plasma cosmology

I've reported him on ANI. Ian.thomson (talk) 15:08, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. I will no longer make comment to this disruptive editor. Arianewiki1 (talk) 16:55, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi

Since you're an astronomer, tell me: Is IC 1101 really the largest galaxy? It says so on several different websites and videos, but people keep removing that information as well as its diameter (5.5 Mly) from the article claiming that the information is false. Can you somehow prove to them why it is the largest galaxy known? Tetra quark (talk) 20:55, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

The diameter of IC 1101 is 860,000 pc or about 860000*3.262=2.8 Mly See the wiki page

According to NED radial velocity is 23368±26 km/s, making this 1554 parsec per arcsec. If the galaxy is 90×35 arcsec, the maximum size is 1554×90 or 139.860pc or 456,000ly (0.46Mly.). BY 1554*35 or 54,390pc or 177,000ly (0.17Mly). I.e. 140×54kpc.

Therefore, 5.5 Mly is improbable if not impossible.

Note; Is suggest they wrongly assumed the size was probably in arcmin not arcsec, which would give ~5.5Mpc.

Largest spiral galaxy I know, as stated in the literature, is NGC 6872 in Pavo, being 160kpc., (each arm spans an enormous 80 kpc.), so it very easily dwarfs our Milky Way’s mere 16±1.5 kpc size by a factor of five!

See article entitled <ref="http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/galex/galex20130110.html" “NASA’s GALEX Reveals the Largest-Known Spiral Galaxy”</ref>, stating; "The spiral is 522,000 light-years across from the tip of one outstretched arm to the tip of the other, which makes it about 5 times the size of our home galaxy, the Milky Way."

This is therefore already bigger then IC 1101 too! Arianewiki1 (talk) 21:44, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

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Metallicity

Sorry but you flooded the page with citation needed tags. You know, not literally every sentence that is written needs a reference. If you really are concerned about the references, add the template below on top.

Also, what does X and Y means? Is it really a necessary detail? Tetra quark 00:06, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

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Please do not revert pages carte-blanch like that again without discussing it on a talk page.

You also quite boldly removed a modification of text with relevant citation confirming the statement given, which the earlier version did not.

As per the editing, I had not finished what I was doing, which was getting references to support the statements.

WP:GF requires some time for others to edit, which you seemingly just want to disregard.

X, Y and Z are clearly the parameters for, Hydrogen, Helium and Metals (many sources) I.e.

"'It is convenient to define the fractions by mass of hydrogen X, of helium Y , and of heavy elements Z. Therefore, Z = (mass of heavy elements)/(total mass of all nuclei)… in some object, objects or region of space. We therefore have X + Y + Z=1... For convenience, chemical abundances in the Universe are often compared to the values in the Sun. Solar abundances give X = 0.70, Y = 0.28, Z = 0.02 by mass. (And by number, 92 % H, 8.5 % He, 0.09 % heavy elements.)"

http://www.maths.qmul.ac.uk/~wjs/MTH726U/chap4.pdf Arianewiki1 (talk) 00:20, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for seeming rude. It's just that I'm so used to reverting crap that I might have become a little arrogant. You're doing a great job there Tetra quark 03:54, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

AWB Violation/ Capitalize the "U" in "universe" or not?

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I didn't get in a content dispute. You were the one who started everything.

Anyway, I'm not sure if you've been pinged, but just letting you know I've left a reply there

This is an unsigned comment by Tetra quark I've started nothing. You were the one caught Please kindly sign post with four tildes, or comments like this will be deleted. Arianewiki1 (talk) 15:57, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

I simply forgot to. Tetra quark 16:05, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

The discussion is about the word universe, not moon or sun. They are proper nouns and should be capitalized. Also, refrain from making personal attacksTetra quark 16:57, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

request

PLEASE let's continue the discussion here. It seems like it's more about me and you than anything else. I really, really don't want to start a fight. Please rely, and don't forget to ping me. Thanks Tetra quark 17:12, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Don't bother, I have referred you for edit warring and falsely accusing other users. Sorry to say, but it is a fight you will certainly lose.Arianewiki1 (talk) 17:15, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages can be really stressful sometimes. It is a 💕 afterall, so it is always necessary some comprehension among users otherwise this whole place will turn into a warzone. As I said, I really don't want to get into fights and I want to discuss this in a rational way. The problem is that you've really made personal attacks to me, like when you said I'm a new user with a toy. That is offensive and there is no excuse for that. Let's discuss this in a mature way. Please reply to me again, tell your concerns Tetra quark 17:21, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Also, is it that difficult to notice that there was a consensus? Read everything above my comment "@Dondervogel 2: Fine, I guess that's the final decision then". It was a simple decision. You can't make everyone bow to your opinion. You're a huge minority. Also, the long messages you post make you look extremely arrogant. Stop trying to say you didn't attack me personally. It is ok to admit you're not 100% right all the time. By the way, consider this message as a constructive criticism, not an attack. Tetra quark 19:41, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Please stop so openly lying. Everything you are now saying here is just spin, personal attack, and open provocation.

All my statements made on the Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Astronomy are verifiable, regardless what you say or do.

Since you continue to deny the problem, there is little point discussing this further.

Clearly, any decision or sanction has nothing to do with me, because it deliberateness of what you've done to force on this issue.

If you have any other issues, there are procedures you can enact if you want too. Go right ahead, and good luck!

Arianewiki1 (talk) 20:38, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Neutral Advice on Recent Events Towards Tetra Quark's Talk Page

Back to reality...

Although I'm probably the last person you want to talk to, I thought it best to leave some encouragement for your editing, especially with the recent issue of the use of AWB being resolved ,

Misplaced Pages editing and decisions made towards editors can seem very personal, unfair and unjust. Believe me, I have suffered many times over the years myself, hit with complaints, bans, and losing arguments on astronomical use of various nomenclature. (See my talk Page!) Your great enthusiasm and willingness to improve articles is to be applauded, and I would encourage you learn the procedures and participate in the discussion on the various Talk Pages. Succeeding in Misplaced Pages is to learn patience. If you think something is a good idea, pause, think about it, then pause again. If unsure, seek advice, before committing to an edit. As also pointed out to you, one of the other key points in editing is to assume good faith, which always a great start. (Sometime in the heat of the moment this goes out the window, but it is a logical necessity to maintain community between editors. In this past experience, I probably failed to do this.)

Your only big 'mistake' was to implement AWB far too quickly, which is a very powerful tool. Changes on a global basis should be made over a long time, because the changes cannot be reverted or fixed by the normal one edit at a time editor. Also if I had objected to the changes, then using AWB made you obliged under it usage, to debate the problems until some form of consensus is reached. I didn't get that chance, because you had already made the changes. It affects my future editing, because I have to know the 'new' rules, and I have to understand why this syntax should be maintained. In my own writings away from Misplaced Pages, I am very conscience of my writing style, and face these dilemmas all the time, especially if submitted for a published formal papers. The other issue with capitalisation of names, which no one has talked about is that lots of them can be very difficult to read, whose scanning seems like it is always at the beginning of a sentence, and this makes it difficult to read. Whilst the letter of the law is to capitalise everything, it has to be used wisely. Writing 'earth' sometimes makes sense to any reader, but it is the context that is more important.

A second issue was the attempted to seemingly cover your tracks to avoid scrutiny. But you always have to be transparent and open about what you do or what you are attempting to do. The moment you don't, you'll find you just lose trust. I too, learnt this the hard way.

Regarding AWB, I'll be making some suggestions towards more safeguards for its use. I.e. Say 5000 edits to allow access and improved mentorship. I do hope, sincerely, when you get more experience, you will get access to this resource again. With the steps you have gained since coming to Misplaced Pages, I have little doubt that might not be too far away.

In the end, you might now be pretty angry with me, and this will unlikely change at the moment or soon, but the procedures of editing has always been the central issue, which the WP:DRN specifically addresses. I may have made several 'enemies' by doing this Reyk, mainly by exposing my position in the way I have, but I'll have to live with that. We both regretfully have made some big mistakes in the last few days, but we just have to move on and learn from it.

Yet we still have to get on as a community of editors, so I'd encourage you to read A final one, which I read during this dispute, because I thought I may have crossed the line, were. These now are bookmarked in my browser, too.

As to you plea towards the lead section of the article Universe , I 110% agree.

Keep up your good editing!

Arianewiki1 (talk) 00:45, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

I've Knowingly Just Broken the 3RRR Rule

I have just broken the 3RRR to prove a very simple point.

It says; "...please use the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. "

I'm attempting that, and to be consolatory towards past actions..

If you feel so strongly about this, I would recommend that you Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring, and I'll likely be banned for 24 hours. You are within your rights to do so.

That is entirely up to you, of course. Arianewiki1 (talk) 02:30, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Arianewiki1 (talk) 02:26, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

On a 3RRR Issue

The adage, "For things to change, I must change." is the only advice I can give you.

You choose. I can do no more. Arianewiki1 (talk) 05:09, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Third statement

Do you even know what an insult is? That's an acceptable way to change someone's edit. Edit summaries are supposed to be a brief reason for modifying something. Also, please, stop copy & pasting messages on my talk page Tetra quark 18:37, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

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