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Hi PRehse! As a Steward I'm involved in the upcoming unification of all accounts organized by the Wikimedia Foundation (see m:Single User Login finalisation announcement). By looking at your account, I realized that you don't have a global account yet. In order to secure your name, I recommend you to create such account on your own by submitting your password on Special:MergeAccount and unifying your local accounts. If you have any problems with doing that or further questions, please don't hesitate to ping me with {{ping|DerHexer}}. Cheers, —DerHexer (Talk) 14:33, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks...

...for stepping in. I was making zero headway. Tiderolls 21:56, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Tiderolls Well no guarantees - he wasn't responding to his talk page before so he may not even see my message.Peter Rehse (talk) 22:01, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

TiderollsSee below - at least he is engaged and we should be able to sort out the issue.Peter Rehse (talk) 12:58, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Kageryu

Thank you so much Peter. The main problem I had was actually relearning the edit procedure I still don't like the original Misplaced Pages comments of linking it to the other Kage-ryu. If this is the case I can see see people getting confused and editing my comments. I realize I am in actual fact losing copyright by posting here. The original .com was plagiarized many times and due to hackers can only be edited by my host now. I notice the Niten ichiryu info on here has already suffered from "Brazilian intervention" and cannot even be editedChoken (talk) 23:58, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello Peter, I put up the correct kanji for Kageryu 景流 I have no problems with any relevant added information about the Ryu on Misplaced Pages. Its information only. The teachings themselves will remain intact and not published.

I was most concerned seeing what happened to Hyoho Niten Ichiryu where someone has posted misinformation about the lineage by actually using wikipedia. I myself tried to edit this information but was locked out. I wondered how this was possible as anyone seems free to edit my materialChoken (talk) 08:07, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Colin - thanks for the reply - people (besides myself ie. jni) were worried you would be chased away through misunderstanding. A couple of points to help clarify.

I assume by Hyoho Niten Ichiryu you mean Niten Ichi-ryū. Not sure about this case but in some instances pages are protected against new users primarily to defend against SPA (single purpose accounts) whose main purpose is to vandalize. The bar is quite low (measured in days and 10s of edits) so you should be able to edit anything quite soon. Let me know if let's say next week you can not edit and I will help chase down the cause.

The linking to the Aizu kage-ryu is actually beneficial. What the tag says is that this article is not about the Aizu ryu- please go here to find that one. In other words right at the beginning it says there is no connection and allows those who were after the other to be directed there. Perfectly acceptable for you to delete the tag if you wish but I wouldn't. It is just one of the ways wikipedia helps people to navigate to where they really want to go.

Finally the copyright - it is not just a matter of you losing it but wikipedia does not allow copypasted material from a copyrighted site. Right now much of the material you added is just that - which was the reason for all those revisions. That has hopefully been suspended for a little bit to allow you some time to understand the issue and correct it, but it wont go away.

Like I said I am perfectly happy to help you navigate - just ask. I have a clear memory of meeting you, the scene and what was talked about, but am unsure exactly where and when. It may have been on the way to the Philippines 10-12 years aqo or not.Peter Rehse (talk) 12:54, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

I believe the reference to problems with Hyoho Niten Ichiryu refers to Niten Ichi-ryū and Gosho-ha Hyōhō Niten Ichi-ryū (articles which are not protected or semi-protected so can be edited even before new user account has been auto-confirmed) and goes back to earlier dispute between Hyaku (talk · contribs) and NitenBr (talk · contribs). User:Hyuku very likely is User:Choken. There is not so much opposition to Hyuku/Choken/Colin's claims but edits like simply got reverted for failing to adhere to basic editing conventions (problems like unverified claims backed up by personal opinion only, attempting to converse with other editors in text of article itself, self-references to Misplaced Pages policies in article etc.) jni _{...just not interested} 14:00, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Ah that would explain it. Note to Colin - some things are best left on the Talk page.Peter Rehse (talk) 14:38, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

• Peter, I'm still seeing copyrighted content on the subject article. I will give this a few days as I've see you've actually gotten Choken to respond, but if they have not followed the procedure for releasing copyrighted content for our use I will revert to the original version and block that editor. Tiderolls 17:26, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Tide I will try once again - but please give a couple more days. After that its fair game - we tried. It is sometimes hard for people to understand what the problem is but I do think we have been pretty clear.Peter Rehse (talk) 17:51, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Colin with note to jni As you can see above. An administrator Tide is calling on the copyright issue - and rightly so. There are two options. 1. Change the copyright notice on your http://www.hyoho.com/ site (which as you explained might be difficult). 2. Remove the copy pasted material on the Kage-ryū page. I will do that for you tmr evening if necessary. Best.Peter Rehse (talk) 17:51, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Or maybe option 3. Read Misplaced Pages:Declaration of consent for all enquiries and then send the email described therein to OTRS. Option 1. might be unpractical especially if hyoho.com is going down in near future. We'd had to change external links to it to go through archive.org and hope the licensing info made it into their next web crawl. jni _{...just not interested} 18:02, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Whichever option is chosen we need to avoid the impending ban. This also applies to the Hagakure Kikigaki page.Peter Rehse (talk) 18:05, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello Peter. The original hyoho.com has been hacked into a few times. The only one who can make changes right now is the host in Australia. I could contact him but the thing is I do not not intend to renew my subscription to the server. So hyoho.com will be down forever soon. So in future the only reference will be myself. Fine with me as I studied for many years and translated most of what is on hyoho.com anyway. T With regard to Hyoho Niten Ichiryu. Iwami Soke has Alzeimers and handed on the Ryu to a 12th Soke. So the circumstances have changed anyway. This Brazilian group are leaderless and seek credibility for financial purposes due to the second and third generation Japanese in Brazil looking for "samurai roots". The 8th Soke Aoki was also shihan of the Sekiguchi Ryu Ju Jitsu. They also did some Niten Ichiryu but but were forced to go their own way when the 9th HNIR Soke was appointed. I'm not sure but I am told the person who put all this alternate information on Wikepedia has fallen out with Kishikawa of Niten Brazil. if its freed up again it may be possible to put up some true undisputed facts. Nippon Budokan- Kobudo Kyokai has strict guidlines on this. One Ryu one group. "Ha" are sanctioned by a particular soke. You cant as they did just "make it up". I will continue to contribute here the source being myself as a Menkyo of the ryu sanctioned by the new soke who was my student. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Choken (talk • contribs) 05:57, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Colin I have to say again that none of the above matters with respect to Misplaced Pages. Please remember that anyone can edit and claim they are anyone they like. Articles have to have references and they can not be copy pasted especially from copyrighted text. jni offered you the best option - please follow it (Read Misplaced Pages:Declaration of consent for all enquiries and then send the email described therein to OTRS). Another description is found on your Talk page. This is important for both the Kage-ryū and Hagakure Kikigaki page. More I can not say.Peter Rehse (talk) 10:22, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year PRehse!

PRehse,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Misplaced Pages. NorthAmerica 04:57, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Aikido Edits

Thanks for checking out the references - you're right, the reference didn't support the claim. I found this reference. http://dandjurdjevic.blogspot.ca/2010/08/leading-momentum-how-realistic-is-it.html; it confirms the information that was in the paragraph I edited. I'm going to revert the paragraph back to my edit (a more concise version of the original paragraph), but could you add the citation. I don't know how to do that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.49.14.185 (talk) 23:38, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

70.49.14.185 First of all Blogs are not considered reliable references and the author doesn't even do aikido, I think the Aikido journal reference is far better. I never liked the term blending (that is more style specific than general aikido) so it was good that you started the change but it is better to match the better reference.Peter Rehse (talk) 23:55, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Indonesian categories

Automatically default to 'category' without adding the word 'category' - there is no need to add the word satusuro 23:36, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Re:soccer kick

I think a category like that is a good idea. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:30, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello. This is a courtesy notification that the GA review of the above article has now concluded. Thanks, C679 07:35, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Ryan Martin (boxer) (2nd nomination)

Hi PRehse. Because you participated in Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Ryan Martin (boxer), you may be interested in Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Ryan Martin (boxer) (2nd nomination). Cunard (talk) 02:59, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Paul Karger

Hi PRehse! Please make sure you notify creators of proposed or speedy deletions when you do place a tag. The curation toolbar and Twinkle both make that easy. Cheers! §FreeRangeFrog 17:03, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

I already made some modifications after you patrolled the article "Nuno Miguel Cerqueira Dias", can you please check it and let me know if it’s better now and if the issues alerts can be removed, or advise about what can still be improved? Thanks. VelaLatina77 (talk) 00:22, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

I already made some modifications after you patrolled the article "Nuno Miguel Cerqueira Dias", can you please check it and let me know if it’s better now and if the issues alerts can be removed, or advise about what can still be improved? Thanks. (VelaLatina77) VelaLatina77 (talk) 00:24, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks

Changes made to Kim Yun-Sik page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Somdogalpao (talk • contribs) 03:28, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

If you feel like the article should be deleted than delete it. He did fight in Strikeforce the #2 MMA Organization of the World and is very well recognized in his Country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lugina K.O (talk • contribs) 03:30, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Talk headers

Check WP:TALK#CREATE. Talk headers are only placed when there is some discussion on ATP. Thanks. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 17:37, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Dennis Avoth

Hi, I spotted that you have tagged Dennis Avoth as part of WP:YORKS but I am struggling to see why as there is no mention of Yorkshire in the article. May be I have missed something. Keith D (talk) 12:29, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Whoops Keith D - I got sloppy with a cut and paste. Meant to remove it.Peter Rehse (talk) 12:51, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Keith D (talk) 12:54, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

info box

Can you help me fix this? Thank you. https://en.wikipedia.org/Jimmy_WooleyCrazyAces489 (talk) 23:18, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

CrazyAces489I had to remove the medal table - don't know how to put that in correctly.Peter Rehse (talk) 00:00, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

CrazyAces489 You need to do a better job with the articles you have created rather then just go for more articles. The references in James Thompson (Judo) don't match up to the statements and the listing of championships don't make any sense. The impression is that you don't even have a basic understanding what you are writing.Peter Rehse (talk) 23:32, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

What doesnt make sense? James was a 4 time Olympic Alternate for the United States. which statements conflict? CrazyAces489 (talk) 02:33, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Randa Markos

i don't get it what exactly is with Randa Markos page when I edit it? you guys have people less deserving then her n you have their pages made what my mistake so i can fix it? This make no sense. (User talk:FrogeyesIT)

User talk:FrogeyesIT Community consensus came up with notability requirements for MMA which Randa does not meet. There was a deletion discussion (see her talk page) which settled on a Redirect (I would have expected a straight deletion) Let her have a couple more top tier fights and she's in - but not yet. Constant reverts against community consensus might result in article changes being frozen which is a real pain when and if she does meet the requirements. Other less deserving articles means that those articles should not be there either.Peter Rehse (talk) 14:52, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

okay so what exactly are the requirements so i know for next time?

@User talk:FrogeyesIT Please see WP:MMANOT the section on fighters and a little further down the Tier 1 organizations. Personally I don't jump on fighters that aren't quite there yet - but I do like to see at least two top tier fights with at least one win. That usually means they have a chance of making it in the near future.Peter Rehse (talk) 22:18, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Martin Mubiru

Hi. Have you seen this article? Grammar and tense is ok? Sorry, I'm asking because I'm not native speaker :). Bándíttos (talk) 12:33, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

@Bándíttos It was fine - better than some native speakers. I just made sure it was integrated into Misplaced Pages a bit better.Peter Rehse (talk) 12:46, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Ron Duncan

I have found this article about him on Black Belt Magazine , he barely failed AFD a few years ago due to lack of good sources, . A black belt magazine biography denotes notability correct? CrazyAces489 (talk) 19:37, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

@ CrazyAces489If I remember correctly there were far more problems than just references. Blackbelt magazine is what one would call borderline reliable - much of what is in there is pretty poor and as was mentioned in the AfD dependent on subject. In my opinion, Black belt can not be the only source and definitely does not confer automatic notability. I did find the Draft:Ron Duncan which you have been editing and the advice you were given there a couple of days ago is good. If you think it is ready take it to deletion review.Peter Rehse (talk) 13:32, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

It failed deletion review. The problem according to the AFD was the lack of notability via sources. He had issues with black belt magazine for years and about 15 years after his teaching of ninjjitsu they gave credit to Stephen Hayes for bringing Ninjitsu to the west. In his death, they gave him long over due recognition. The article is much larger with more sources than before CrazyAces489 (talk) 21:27, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

References

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:Ron_Duncan

Edit summaries

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Articles

If you would like to fix them up you can. I don't own the articles. I saw that individuals who were on an Olympic Team qualified. So those are some of the articles I have made. The 1980 Olympics did occur and a source gave the members who were on the team. Even if they didn't compete that doesn't mean they weren't on the team. CrazyAces489 (talk) 22:23, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

CrazyAces489 The particular error was saying they competed in the USSR but that is not my point. Several people have pointed out how messy and problematic your articles are. They are all suggesting you take a bit more time per entry and focus on quality. That would help avoid all the AfDs you are being subjected to. Trying writing prose instead of short points - emphasizing why someone is notable rather than just listing facts.Peter Rehse (talk) 22:43, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

My AfD closure

Deryck C. 09:12, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Morihei Ueshiba and Yasunari Kitaura

Hello PRehse. Can you explain why did you delete Yasunari Kitaura from the list of Morihei Ueshiba 's students? BearWithoutHead (talk) 10:34, 6 March 2015 (UTC)BearWithoutHead

BearWithoutHead Please take a look at the list - all of them have their own articles. Normally for lists of this nature one would expect either an article or a reference. It is a partial, non-exhaustive list so his exclusion is not denying his place as one of Ueshiba's students. I said as much in the edit summary. I think you will be recreating the article eventually (I suggest doing it via a Draft article) so please re-insert back then.Peter Rehse (talk) 10:41, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Probably worth adding that he does have an article on es-wiki, though the sourcing there wouldn't meet our standards. There are probably enough sources out there to build an article, though; trouble is, most of them are in Spanish (otherwise I'd volunteer to do it myself). Yunshui _水 10:48, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Yunshui Did you see the Stanley Pranin article - I left some comments on the primary editors page. I think it will eventually need a hand.Peter Rehse (talk) 10:52, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I've got it watchlisted, though I haven't made any edits yet. We definitely ought to have an article about Stan, but despite his prodigious services to the aikido community, he hasn't been greatly noted outside it. And yet any half-baked local rapper with an allmusic account seems to have and article here... Yunshui _水 10:56, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

re: Olympic stub

Hi. There's no stubs for individuals, as they would already be stubbed by their country and/or sport. The Olympic stub is used for the country and event articles. Lugnuts 12:33, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

LugnutsFair enough - I was reacting to a number of bio-stubs whose sole claim to fame was olympic participation.Peter Rehse (talk) 12:38, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

There's a few thousand of them! Lugnuts 12:49, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Kenny Adams

Hi, I was wondering what text needed to have sources or references on the Kenny Adams page? Anything added was taken from an article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigticket55 (talk • contribs) 01:11, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

@Bigticket55 I tagged it with needing more sources since the article is derived from effectively one source. (I know there are two others listed but still). Under the General Notability Guidelines you would need a bit more than that to establish notability. For a boxer that would be easier since the guidelines for WP:NBOX are clear but trainers are different we need multiple reliable sources. I like the article and I think it has a place in Misplaced Pages but it does need a few more reliable sources which I don't think, considering his stature, should be to hard to find. The problem is that there are a bunch of Kenny Adams that are not him. I put a Find sources tag on his Talk Page which should help - please take a look. The BLP sources tag itself is a guideline after article review - you could just delete it as it is only my opinion. However, I do recommend you add a few references.Peter Rehse (talk) 08:36, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

@PRehse Thanks for the help, I appreciate it. I just added a lot of new sources and references to the page. Check them out when you get a chance and let me know if you can remove the 'need for more sources' at the top of the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigticket55 (talk • contribs) 00:58, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Kimbo Slice

In response to this, see WP:LINKROT: "do not delete a URL solely because " Also, they are still available at the Wayback Machine (here and here). May not be reliable, but your edit summary says "rotten references - no mention of Kimbo". --82.136.210.153 (talk) 13:55, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Mutual combat

Hi. In response to this edit. The idea of including Martialartsproject is that the article - as WikiProjectBannerShell puts it - "is of interest to" (editors of) that WikiProject. It's not a martial art, but both are combat-oriented. If you really think Martialartsproject should not be included, please also remove it from Talk:Street fighting (for consistency). That's where I saw Martialartsproject, after which I decided to add it to Talk:Mutual combat. --82.136.210.153 (talk) 08:27, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

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Ronald Hubbard

Look at the photo, he is a clearly he is an olympic alternate. CrazyAces489 (talk) 17:56, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

CrazyAces489 Read it yourself - the word alternate never shows up. What it does say is the first and second place finishers go to the Olympic training camp followed by the first place going to the Olympics. The alternate is usually the second place finisher which Hubbard was not.Peter Rehse (talk) 19:50, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

He was the second alternate.CrazyAces489 (talk) 20:06, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

It says nothing of the kind in the picture. He didn't even go to the training camp. The point is - you are using a reference that doesn't back up the statement - that was why I changed it.Peter Rehse (talk) 20:09, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

David Sakurai

Hi! Please check the sources. He talks about the shorts he wrote and directed in the interviews, and see also Kung Fu Cinema. Thank you. Teemeah 12:26, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Teemeah Please put something in the article itself before assigning categories. Also please take a look at the Category:Martial artists inclusion criteria. The problem, not just for actors, is over categorizaion on the most tenuous reasons.Peter Rehse (talk) 12:30, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

This link is already in the article, so are the interviews (Asians on Film). I added one more source. Teemeah 12:37, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

By the way, the definition for martial artist on the top of the category page is ambiguous and b definition wrong. Is Jet Lee not a martial artist then? Because according to that definition one has to derive a significant portion of their income through martial arts. Well... a martial arts actor does exactly that kind of thing... Gets his income by doing martial arts on screen. And if Jet Lee, who is China's national champion 5x in wushu is not a martial artist according to this definition, then I don't know who is. Because he no longer competes. But it would a huge stretch to say he is not a martial artist. Teemeah 13:36, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Teemeah I only touched on the discussion when it was ongoing but the reasoning behind it was the huge number of actors that claimed to be martial artists that could never credibly claim to be such. I think with regard to actors like Jet Lee it is not an issue because at least at sometime in their life they were primarily martial artists. A martial artist who became an actor rather than an actor who does some martial arts. I think the same sort of reasoning applies to a martial artist who appeared once or twice in a film - that does not make him an actor. Most people realize that the line is a bit hazy and the wording reflects that. I hope that helps.Peter Rehse (talk) 13:50, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Teemeah If you are interested (and also so I can find it later if someone asks) the discussion is found here.Peter Rehse (talk) 14:04, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. I still don't agree with this decision wholeheartedly, because the definition who practice and derive a significant proportion of their income directly through martial arts (fighting systems or codified combat practices) is exactly the definition that would exclude Bruce Lee, Jet Li or even Donnie Yen or Tony Jaa from the category of martial artists, especially the latter who never had direct income as a martial arts sportsperson (eg competing in amateur or professional contests), and neither did Jet Li ever have any income from his wushu champion titles at the age of 12 :)) But it would be really akward if these people, who are undoubtedly martial artists, to be exluded from the category. I think we can separate those actors who pretend to do martial arts on screen (like Keanu Reeves), and are "taught" the moves prior to filming from actors who actually actively train in martial arts without ever pursuing competitions. David Sakurai is no exception. He might not be as famous as the above people but he trained in various martial arts since he was a child and trains to date. Teemeah 15:12, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Re: Okatch Biggy

Eric Sollee

Hi PRehse, I'm very new to writing and editing Wiki. Eric Sollee is my first article. Someone, some group, or something (e.g. a script) has determined levels for the article. I'd like to find out about the process. I'm quite happy with the B for the article in general. I'm mostly interested in WikiProject Fencing determination of class=C and importance=Low. Who and how is this determined? Criteria? thanks. Rob RobSVA (talk) 23:28, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

@RobSVA First of all please don't worry too much about the assessment - it really is not a reflection on the quality of your writing and frankly when Start becomes a C or C becomes a B is often a judgement call based on experience with other articles. In your articles case I felt that the level of detail did not warrant a B. It really is quite a short article - although you did a good job. The criteria can be found here. Misplaced Pages:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment. Hope this helps.Peter Rehse (talk) 23:50, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

@Prehse. So the the rating for the WikiProject Fencing refers to the current quality of the article as opposed to the interest / importance of the subject of the article? If so, that's good, I can keep work on the quality. thanks. RobSVA (talk) 23:55, 21 March 2015 (UTC) BTW, I see that you are a student of the martial arts. Eric Sollee had an unusual background for a fencer. He grew up in the Philippines and was exposed to a variety of martial arts there. He was a boxer long before he learned fencing (starting in college). He used a combination of Eastern and Western philosophies and martial arts in his teaching of fencing. He also used a range of sciences of the body, the senses, and the mind. We were taught to fence with the senses of our fingers and ears, not just with our eyes. (finger senses are faster than the eyes due to the decrease in processing time). He taught us about the shortcuts that the opponent's brain uses to reduce processing load and how to take advantage of that to in effect become invisible during brief periods of time. For example, if you set up a steady pattern without a threat, the opponent's brain gets used to it and doesn't monitor as closely the actions in between. Thus if you change the pattern, the opponent might not notice until the next action in the pattern fails to occur. He also used the Socratic method and knew that he didn't know everything. John Tsang, currently the Finance Secretary of Hong Kong, is an MIT alum and was an assistant coach under Eric. John competed in Martial Arts at the same time. He broke his arm in a tournament and had to learn to coach fencing using his other arm for awhile. If you get a chance, read Johan Harmenberg's latest book (epee 2.5) for a lot more of the story, especially on how to take away your opponent's strongest moves and force him to set up your strongest moves; it's applicable to most if not all martial arts. RobSVA (talk) 12:23, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi PRehse, Thanks for the help on citations. Quick question, do you know how to have Wiki display the "source code" within an article? Specifically, on a talk page, I wanted to show the way to properly write a citation while in edit mode. RobSVA (talk) 15:04, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

No idea.Peter Rehse (talk) 15:05, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Jose and Ron

kCrazyAces489 (talk) 21:04, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

when the trio starts deleting, I find that it is setting up articles for AFD. CrazyAces489 (talk) 21:08, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Well since I am part of your trio - let me point out that they have never deleted an article - they have only nominated. Admins delete.Peter Rehse (talk) 21:33, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Greg Baines

You said you'd prefer a redirect in this AfD discussion and Papaursa found a reasonable target at the Joe Lewis article. If you're interested I filed an ANI against CrazyAces for his comments about us being racists.Mdtemp (talk) 19:13, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

@Mdtemp Yes I saw both the Redirect suggestion and the ANI. I agree with the former (was going to comment) but for the latter I would not have said anything if I were you and won't add any comments. Not that he isn't out of line but I see no benefit coming out of it. In the SPI debate (again I said my piece once) I don't think to many people don't understand what's gong on.Peter Rehse (talk) 21:14, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

The funny part

I haven't been real active on martial arts articles lately and if he hadn't started spamming claims about Duncan into articles on my watchlist, I might not have noticed the article. Niteshift36 (talk) 20:19, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

@Niteshift36:It is funny how that works - he gathered more attention from the fuss than he would have otherwise. Reminds me of the vatican banning films before they realized that only increased the interest. Lots of people have tried to help him and gotten burnt. Still I like the idea of a Ron Duncan article - even though I have a distinct bias against the American Ninja - he really was an interesting character.Peter Rehse (talk) 20:27, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

• I'm not going to nominate it for AfD again. I personally think Duncan was reasonably notable, but I could see someone making a good argument about the lack of significant coverage by reliable third party sources. Niteshift36 (talk) 01:53, 26 March 2015 (UTC)