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Welcome to Misplaced Pages, Nøkkenbuer! Thank you for your contributions. I am Andrei Marzan and I have been editing Misplaced Pages for some time, so if you have any questions feel free to leave me a message on my talk page. You can also check out Misplaced Pages:Questions or type {{help me}} at the bottom of this page. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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National varieties of English

In a recent edit to the page Maximalism, you changed one or more words or styles from one national variety of English to another. Because Misplaced Pages has readers from all over the world, our policy is to respect national varieties of English in Misplaced Pages articles.

For a subject exclusively related to the United Kingdom (for example, a famous British person), use British English. For something related to the United States in the same way, use American English. For something related to another English-speaking country, such as Canada, Australia, or New Zealand, use the variety of English used there. For an international topic, use the form of English that the original author used.

In view of that, please don't change articles from one version of English to another, even if you don't normally use the version in which the article is written. Respect other people's versions of English. They, in turn, should respect yours. Other general guidelines on how Misplaced Pages articles are written can be found in the Manual of Style. If you have any questions about this, you can ask me on my talk page or visit the help desk. Thank you. freshacconci talk to me 01:47, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

I apologize for the misunderstanding. I was unaware that the difference between "aesthetics" and "esthetics" was a matter of American English vs. British English. I was under the impression that "esthetics" was an obsolete spelling of "aesthetics" and thus needed to be changed. After doing a quick search, I see that I was mistaken. Sorry about that. –Nøkkenbuer (talk) 03:43, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Congratulations!

Congratulations to all the contributors to today's featured article. You deserve a lot of applause, recognition and appreciation. What a interesting and wonderful article.

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Thanks, I guess, though I only removed one period and added one word. I know this is a mass message and all, but I find that amusing. ―Nøkkenbuer (talk • contribs) 11:50, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Image size

Trying to explain why your edits on Casino Royale were reverted (not by me, I am slow but would have done the same thing.) Fixed image sizes are not good because readers have different devices and different preferences. If you have to change image size, use "upright="multiplier, for example upright=1.2, for an image a bit larger than normal. Exceptions are userboxes and infoboxes. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:04, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. I was unaware of that specification. I'm still very new to Misplaced Pages, so I'm not really versed in these technicalities. I appreciate the revert, and have no problem with it. Your explanation is definitely helpful, and I'll keep that in mind for the future. (That "M" still bothers me, though!) ―Nøkkenbuer (talk • contribs) 12:08, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Nokkenbuer and Nokkenbuer2 and pedophilia

Nokkenbuer (talk · contribs) and Nokkenbuer2 (talk · contribs) are you, correct? If so, why did you delete this post with the Nokkenbuer2 account instead of just using the Nøkkenbuer account you now use? If you did not want to use the Nøkkenbuer account for that matter, I must state that I do not think it's a WP:SOCK#LEGIT case. Furthermore, why should I trust you to edit pedophilia topics when you are making posts like that? If you state that you are not those two accounts, I will find that extremely difficult to believe.

If you reply to me about this, it would be best to reply here on your talk page instead of at my talk page; I prefer to keep discussion whole instead of disjointed; see WP:TALKCENT. I have your user page/talk page WP:Watchlisted. Flyer22 (talk) 00:20, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes, those are unfortunately my accounts. I did so because I didn't want to bring my old past here. I was younger back then, and I was looking for a debate. It was inappropriate for me to complain about something like that, since in reality there wasn't really any problems with the article, and I was just nitpicking. Yesterday, as I was looking over my old account (whose password I did forgot, and for which I never set an email), I found that and it was embarrassing. It does not reflect my views now, nor did it really reflect my views then. I was just trying to pick a fight because I liked debating back then, which was wrong of me to do on Misplaced Pages. I had no idea of how Misplaced Pages worked, as you can see from my other edits by that first account back in 2009 (when I was a teen). I didn't even disagree with the article, I was just playing Devil's advocate. I'm ashamed of that behavior and wanted to remove it.

Instead of editing using this account, which is my new account, I decided to create a quick account to serve a single purpose: to delete what I could (which wasn't archived) from that old account, since it neither reflected my views nor was appropriate. If I had the choice, I'd delete the account and all its edits entirely, but that's not possible per CC BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL. So I simply deleted what I could and hope nobody finds it, since it's something I'd rather the Internet and I forget.

You should still trust me to edit the Pedophilia article and like articles because my behavior from roughly two years ago, behavior which was not even meant to reflect my own views but rather to instigate discourse, does not reflect my behavior now. I've grown up, stopped trying to be disruptively contentious, and moved on. If it makes you feel better, I have no problem with both those accounts being indefinitely blocked. They're useless to me now, the first having a password from years ago that I can't remember and no email, the second being created solely to remove that one piece of content. In retrospect, I might have well used this account; however, I was hoping (probably in vain) that the edit would not be challenged, so I could move on with my life.

I appreciate your concern and I'm glad you're watching out for sockpuppets, but I don't believe this is a matter warranting further investigation. I'd much prefer this whole issue be dropped already, since I'd rather not have my rambunctious past haunt me or deter me from being a helpful Wikipedian now. ―Nøkkenbuer (talk • contribs) 17:27, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Nøkkenbuer, I've dealt with a lot of pedophiles and/or child sexual abusers and/or pro-pedophilia advocates and/or pro-child sexual abuse advocates on Misplaced Pages. And I cannot trust you. You state that you have changed, but you are still showing an interest in pedophilia topics. WP:Clean start means that you are not supposed to be editing in the same areas you edited in before. For all I know, you are putting on a show, trying to blend in with those who are anti-child sexual abuse, anti-statutory rape, those who see pedophilia as a mental disorder. After all, I have dealt with editors like that before, and I exposed them for what they are. Your aforementioned comment about neutrality (the one you deleted), your recent comments about neutrality at the Sexism talk page, and your comments about neutrality at Talk:Pedophilia regarding etymology and definitions, make me think that you do not know how to appropriately apply the WP:Neutral policy. And because, on Misplaced Pages, I take any expression that supports pedophile advocacy very seriously, since I do not personally know those expressing those views and cannot 100% know when they are joking and/or playing devil's advocate, I will link to this discussion at Talk:Pedophilia, in the section where I'm discussing etymology and definitions with you; I will link to it there so that others are aware of your history and know why I cannot trust you. Off Misplaced Pages, I am also unlikely to trust a person who jokes about pedophile advocacy and/or play's devil's advocate on the matter. I do WP:Assume good faith, but not in cases where there is reasonable doubt to do so. WP:Assume good faith is clear that applying that guideline does not mean blindly applying it. I am done with this discussion. Flyer22 (talk) 21:27, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Well firstly, you seem to be implying that I am a pedophile or advocate thereof (or, even more egregiously, a child sexual abuser), which is not true and rather offensive. I morally oppose child sex abuse, like any sane and rational human being, and I seriously doubt my views meaingfully differ from yours. Pedophilia, in my opinion, is just another sexual disorder, and I defer to the DSM-5 on its classification (on which I have no strong opinion; why should I?). I don't see where you got the idea that I'm in any way a partisan for or against pedophilia (or a pedophile/child sex abuser!), but I'd appreciated it if you did not accuse me of something like that. That borders on slander, if not altogether a personal attack. If you did not intend to mean that, then I am sorry for misunderstanding what you appear to be implying. Yes, I do still edit pedophilia-related topics, but thus far my edits have been innocuous and largely minor. I do a lot of copyediting and during my perusal of articles, I copyedit and clean up minor issues. When I read some of the articles about pedophilia and other groups, I did some minor copyediting, like I usually do on any article I encounter. I could understand your concern if I were injecting POV into the article but I have not—nor will I, for I am a staunch proponent of WP:NPOV and refuse to slant Misplaced Pages just because of whatever views I hold, irrespective of its topic.

My comments on Talk:Sexism are not related to this, and thus far I have tried to be constructive there. If you think I am not being neutral there, then bring it up on the talk page there, but not here, since it has nothing to do with this "case". What have I said on Talk:Pedophilia which is not neutral? Can you specify what exactly? I reiterate that I do not "advocate" for pedophilia, and at the risk of appearing biased in the opposite direction, I actually oppose pedophilia advocacy groups. I support VirPed and B4U-ACT because they attempt to help people suffering from pedophilia to ensure they do not offend (or reoffend), but I even stated on Talk:Pedophilia that I was concerned that including information about them in the article could be seen as violating WP:NPOV. Unless you have specific criticisms detailing what you perceive to be biased and unneutral behavior, then please state so.

You are making many bold accusations with no evidence to support them, Flyer22, and you seem to be very hostile and aggressive about this. I'd appreciate it if you were to calm down and change your tone, since this sort of belligerence won't help things here. Yes, you should be assuming good faith here because there is no such "reasonable doubt". Your accusations are vague and fails to do much other than mar what little reputation I have on Misplaced Pages. Having said that, your attempts at blowing this whole issue out of proportion is not necessary, nor is it even appropriate. You're automatically presuming my identity and making judgment calls despite how I have clearly stated that your fears are unfounded. Please calm down and start behaving; this sort of aggressive behavior will get us nowhere.

If you're done with this discussion, then I suppose it's fine if I removed your slander from my talk page, seeing as you're unwilling to be civil and cooperative about this. I'll await for your response; if none is given, I'll simply remove your section on my talk page since it's inappropriate and uncivil. If you have a problem with my neutrality, then let's discuss it, and let's discuss it civilly and respectfully. Otherwise, there's no point in vague accusations. ―Nøkkenbuer (talk • contribs) 21:55, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

WP:NPOV applies everywhere on the encyclopedia, but it some places it takes a lot of courage to uphold it. Rhoark (talk) 22:56, 14 April 2015 (UTC)