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Koreatown, Manhattan

Is there any possible way we can use the following reference as narrowly as possible, simply and only to support K-Town's live-in-real-time, done-deal leap eastward over 5th and toward Madison?

http://www.yelp.com/biz/dons-bogam-new-york

My only concern is, as you said in the edit summary, that published sources often lag behind urban reality, and it could be (quite) a long time before the usual pre-eminent sources acknowledge this. Best, Castncoot (talk) 20:03, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

I did note in my Times search one restaurant listed to the east of Fifth Avenue, which was probably this one, but I didn't consider that sufficient to show that Koreatown is expanding in that direction. The Yelp cite is even less useful for that.

Let's start with this, just to establish some context: I used to live in the area, so I could just walk up and see what's going on, but I've since moved way uptown and can't as easily do that, so, even though it's entirely OR, and therefore not usable in the article, have you, personally, seen signs of the expansion of Koreatown east towards Madison, other than this one restaurant?

Then at least we'll know where we stand. Even though we can't use it, it may give us some clue as to where to go to get a usable cite. BMK (talk) 20:41, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Here's a recent USA branch of the prominent Korean Shinhan Bank, which has now established a presence on the east side of Fifth Avenue, therefore taking it off of West 32nd Street and technically placing it between 5th and Madison:

http://www.mapquest.com/us/new-york/banks-new-york/shinhan-bank-america-274863217

In combination with the restaurant, I believe that the two sources could form a reasonably verifiable support structure, hewing with this article's mention of banks and restaurants. Also, what is salient here is a phrase which would simply state that K-town is expanding in this direction, not stating that Korea Way or the center of the district itself has moved beyond 5th Avenue. Best, Castncoot (talk) 21:44, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm back in commission now, BMK (talk). I sense a 'conditional' green (or yellow) light from you regarding this edit. Let's try this here - I think I have a reasonable way to introduce this edit in a way that correctly captures the WP:WEIGHT of both the issue and the borderline strength of the citations. I believe this approach will neither overemphasize the issue and yet not be remiss by outright neglecting a very real phenomenon. Feel free to edit it as you wish, of course. Best, Castncoot (talk) 02:39, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Sarcasm?

I'm pretty sure that you know how to write correctly, so I am interpreting this as sarcasm: " Ezxcsuie em, these are BUS LINES." Or perhaps WP:Tendentious editing? Either way, it is unappreciated. Sincerely, BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 03:32, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

It was neither - take a look at WP:AGF and get yourself a heaping helping. I was typing fast, and when I type fast I make mistakes. But the basic point is that those are bus lines, pretty mundane public information. If you think they should be supported by a citation, which is your right, then put a CN tag on them, don't delete them. Deleting them is, well, pretty damn anti-social. BMK (talk) 03:54, 19 April 2015 (UTC)