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Misplaced Pages Takes Brooklyn! Saturday September 7

Please join Misplaced Pages Takes Brooklyn scavenger hunt on September 7, 2013! Everyone gather at the Brooklyn Public Library to further Misplaced Pages's coverage of— photos and articles related to Brooklyn, its neighborhoods and the local landmarks. --EdwardsBot (talk)

Wikimedia NYC Meetup- "Queens Open History Edit-a-Thon" at Queens Library! Friday December 6

Please join Queens Open History Edit-a-Thon on December 6, 2013! Everyone gather at Queens Library to further Misplaced Pages's local outreach for borough articles on the history and the communities. Drop-ins welcome 10am-7pm!--Pharos (talk) ~~~~~

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Books & Bytes New Years Double Issue

Happy New Year, and welcome to a special double issue of Books & Bytes. We've included a retrospective on the changes and progress TWL has seen over the last year, the results of the survey TWL participants completed in December, some of our plans for the future, a second interview with a Wiki Love Libraries coordinator, and more. Here's to 2014 being a year of expansion and innovation for TWL!

Increased access to sources: 1500 editors signed up for 3700 free accounts, individually worth over $500,000, with usage increases of 400-600%

Deep networking: Built relationships with Credo, HighBeam, Questia, JSTOR, Cochrane, LexisNexis, EBSCO, New York Times, and OCLC

New pilot projects: Started the Misplaced Pages Visiting Scholar project to empower university-affiliated Misplaced Pages researchers

Developed community: Created portal connecting 250 newsletter recipients, 30 library members, 3 volunteer coordinators, and 2 part-time contractors

Tech scoped: Spec'd out a reference tool for linking to full-text sources and established a basis for OAuth integration

Broad outreach: Wrote a feature article for Library Journal's The Digital Shift; presenting at the American Library Association annual meeting

Saturday: NYC Art And Feminism Misplaced Pages Editathon

Please join Misplaced Pages "Art and Feminism Editathon" @ Eyebeam on Saturday February 1, 2014, an event aimed at collaboratively expanding Misplaced Pages articles covering Art and Feminism, and the biographies of women artists! There are also regional events that day in Brooklyn, Westchester County, and the Hudson Valley. --Pharos (talk)

Upcoming Saturday events - March 1: Harlem History Editathon and March 8: NYU Law Editathon

Upcoming Saturday events - March 1: Harlem History Editathon and March 8: NYU Law Editathon

You are invited to join upcoming Misplaced Pages "Editathons", where both experienced and new Misplaced Pages editors will collaboratively improve articles on a selected theme, on the following two Saturdays in March: Saturday March 1: Harlem History Editathon (RSVP), focusing on Harlem history, landmarks and biographies Saturday March 8: NYU Law Editathon (RSVP), focusing on innovation law and intellectual property (with social dinner afterward) I hope to see you there! Pharos (talk)

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GOCE February blitz wrapup

Guild of Copy Editors Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Blitzes/February 2014 wrap-up Participation: Out of seven people who signed up for this blitz, all copy-edited at least one article. Thanks to all who participated! Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here. Progress report: During the seven-day blitz, we removed 16 articles from the requests queue. Hope to see you at the March drive! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Jonesey95, Miniapolis and Baffle gab1978. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list. Newsletter delivered by

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Upcoming Saturday event - June 21: Wiki Loves Pride NYC

You are invited to join us at Jefferson Market Library for "Wiki Loves Pride", hosted by New York Public Library, Metropolitan New York Library Council, Wikimedia LGBT and Wikimedia New York City, where both experienced and new Misplaced Pages editors will collaboratively improve articles on this theme: Saturday June 21: Wiki Loves Pride NYC (RSVP), focusing on LGBT history and culture. 11am–4pm at Jefferson Market Library. We hope to see you there! Pharos (talk)

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Hi

Hi, im GenericBobJoe, you sent my IP address a warning for vandalism, the page that I apparently vandalized said the vandalism was in 2007. I got the computer with this IP last year, and I don't think teaneck is gay. I seriously do not know why this is happening. You should TempBan me from editing for now, maybe one day, and i'll see what's wrong with this computer. If this keeps happening,or if you might know anything about this, please reply. -GenericBobJoe

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DYK for Battin High School

On 27 March 2015, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Battin High School, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that when Battin High School closed in 1977, it was the last all-girls public high school in New Jersey? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Battin High School. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Union City High School citation formatting

At some point I began using "Retrieved" because that's what citation templates use, and I wanted my "manually" written citations to match the wording used by the templates. I remembered that some time ago, when we disagreed on this point (I don't recall the exact conversation or date of it, nor do I have a link handy, so correct me if I'm wrong) that you stated that an editor should not change the formatting unless he/she is the primary editor of the article. I do not recall if you cited a specific guideline or MOS page for this. Since I am the primary editor of this article, I assumed this would be in keeping with that protocol you mentioned. 38.101.169.130 (talk) 19:38, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

A new reference tool

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Use of sic hide=y tag

I saw that you removed a "sic hide=y" tag that I added to the article Harrison Township School District, with the explanation, "there is no need to tag it in any way". I thought I should explain what the purpose of the tagging is. It is to prevent someone from accidentally "improving" a quotation. In this case, the tagged phrase is "comprised of" in a quotation. Many people believe "comprised of" is not the best wording in a Misplaced Pages article and search for articles that contain the phrase and edit it. I do that a lot. We obviously try to leave quotations alone, but it is easy to make a mistake. The sic template exists to prevent that. It prevents an article from even showing up in a search for the tagged phrase, which saves copy editors time as well. The hide=y argument means this does not affect what the reader sees at all; it's just for editors. Bryan Henderson (giraffedata) (talk) 03:05, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

• There is nothing wrong with "comprised of", and even less reason to correct it inside a quotation. As there appears to be only one editor making these "corrections" and trying to "improve" the article, the best way to avoid this problem is to simply leave such articles alone, which saves time for all editors involved. Alansohn (talk) 04:43, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Regardless of whether there is anything wrong with "comprised of", there are many people changing it, and many more supporting my own changing of it, so I am certainly not going to stop. Given that, it's hard to understand why you would actively remove a sic template from an article, as opposed to leaving the article alone; I suppose it's more about making a point about whether people should be changing "comprised of" than about improving the article? I don't believe that is a legitimate use of a Misplaced Pages edit, but I just wanted to make sure you understood the edit and it sounds like you do. Bryan Henderson (giraffedata) (talk) 07:11, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Giraffedata, irregardless of your opinion, there is absolutely nothing that is wrong with "comprised of" in the context of its use within a direct quotation. It simply ain't wrong, no matter what you think. I'm sure that there are other editors who feel the obsessive need to exceedingly go about "correcting" examples of split infinitives or those who believe that they must wipe out every example of situations where prepositions are used to end quotations with. Copyediting is fine, but improperly marking quotations with a sic tag is wrong. You are the only Misplaced Pages editor making these needless edits and we don't need to have misused sic tags applied simply to prevent yourself from misediting the same article a second time; these edits to add the sic tag are not a legitimate Misplaced Pages edit as I see it. It's time for the silent majority to rise up as the Comprised Of League of Defense to protect all articles from such pointless editing practices. Let the COLD War begin today! Alansohn (talk) 15:28, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Photo requests in New Jersey

Hi, Alansohn. Do you do photo requests in New Jersey? Is Oakland, New Jersey convenient for you? I'm looking for somebody to photograph the New Jersey Japanese School for Misplaced Pages. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:00, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

April 29: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

Wednesday April 29, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our inaugural evening "WikiWednesday" salon and knowledge-sharing workshop by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan. We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming editathons, and other outreach activities. After the main meeting, pizza and refreshments and video games in the gallery! Wednesday April 29 WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC (RSVP on-wiki or at meetup.com). 7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles, 137 West 14th Street Featuring a keynote talk this month on Lady Librarians & Feminist Epistemologies! We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 18:28, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

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April 29: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

Wednesday April 29, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our inaugural evening "WikiWednesday" salon and knowledge-sharing workshop by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan. We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming editathons, and other outreach activities. After the main meeting, pizza and refreshments and video games in the gallery! Wednesday April 29 WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC (RSVP on-wiki or at meetup.com). 7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles, 137 West 14th Street Featuring a keynote talk this month on Lady Librarians & Feminist Epistemologies! We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 19:28, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

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Reference errors on 14 April

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Namecheck at Toms River

Hi - I am Charlie M. I am writing to you in response to your message to me regarding my recent edit to the Toms River, NJ page. I wholeheartedly disagree with your conclusion that my edit was non-constructive. What is the basis for this opinion? I am insulted that you do not find me worthy of a small mention along w/ the other famous Toms River residents. I look forward to your response.

Thank you,

Charlie — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.199.146.1 (talk • contribs)

• 50.199.146.1, notables have articles. Every other notable in the Toms River, New Jersey article has an article; you don't. Once you have an article that establishes your notability, then you need a reliable and verifiable source establishing your connection to the township; none was provided. Alansohn (talk) 15:18, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

April 2015 GOCE newsletter

Guild of Copy Editors April 2015 Newsletter March drive: Thanks to everyone who participated in last month's backlog-reduction drive. Of the 38 people who signed up, 18 copyedited at least one article. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here. April blitz: The one-week April blitz, again targeting our long requests list, will run from April 19–25. Awards will be given to everyone who copyedits at least one article from the requests page. Sign up here! May drive: The month-long May backlog-reduction drive, with extra credit for articles tagged in December 2013, January and February 2014 and all request articles, begins soon. Sign up now! Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Miniapolis, Jonesey95, Biblioworm and Philg88. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

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proposed iban, please comment

given your involvement, peas see https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Suggested_Limited_Interaction_Ban_between_Users_Alansohn_and_Magnolia677. Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 22:07, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

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Interaction ban with User:Magnolia677

The IBAN you have agreed to with User:Magnolia677 has been formally enacted. --Jayron32 01:42, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

To make this explicit, here is the IBAN discussion with the exact terms and here is the formal listing. Should there be some inadvertent factual or format error that needs immediate correction, feel free to contact me with a diff and the problem stated without regard to the editor on my talk page, and I will be glad to rectify issues which you cannot do so directly. μηδείς (talk) 16:59, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

New Jersey towns, section order

I believe that the section order in these town articles should be re-standardized - although you may be involved in local government, most readers are not likely to be concerned at all with local government and politics on a day-to-day basis. On the other hand, the average reader is far more likely to be concerned with the issues of education and transportation. Best, Castncoot (talk) 07:04, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

• Castncoot, we probably would benefit from re-standardizing the order of sections in municipal articles. Given that there is a standard to be re-standardized, we should probably leave that standard unchanged until we have consensus on a new standard. While it does not establish a policy in any way shape or form, WP:USCITIES does provide some optional suggestions that place the sections in order by Government, Education and Transportation. Pending any effort to re-standardize, you can self-revert or I will be happy to undo the changes. Alansohn (talk) 01:51, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
• Alansohn, if the standard was designed by previous consensus, then by all means revert to this standard pending a new consensus. On the other hand, if the standard was essentially self-designed by you, then I think we should move the ball forward right away and move Government (or at least Politics, if you're willing to tease that out of Government) farther down the totem pole compared to more salient issues including Education and Transportation. I surmise that the average reader wouldn't want Politics of all topics to be placed as high up as it is in many of the New Jersey town articles and may in fact find this to be an embarrassing shortcoming for these articles. I think you've otherwise done a fabulous job on these articles, I must note - I simply believe that this one issue unfortunately impedes greatly their potential for being even more superior. Best, Castncoot (talk)
  • Castncoot, I understand your efforts to consider reordering sections in these articles. I'm sure that I had something to do with the establishment of the order in the article for Allendale and elsewhere in the state, but this order has been based on guidance elsewhere. Whether you take a look at the suggestions in WP:USCITIES or at featured articles such as Boston, the order of Government, followed by Education, followed by Transportation is followed. I'm sure that there are better ways to do this, but the best way to do this is by reaching consensus and leaving the article in the pre-existing order until that new consensus is reached. Finding featured articles and guidelines that match your preferred order would add weight to your argument for a change in consensus. Alansohn (talk) 03:02, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

We are, in part, limited to those areas where we have data/information. The abundance of accessible information regarding local government organization tends to weigh this area heavily. Liz 02:25, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

This is an interesting discussion. Alansohn, I had also looked at WP:USCITIES myself, and to be honest, all three (Government, Education, and Transportation) are downgraded according to this guideline (just a guideline, and one with which I have several disagreements and which is geared toward large cities, in any case). The guideline also suggests mentioning something about local politics within government, but again, specifically for larger cities. Therefore, WP:USCITIES appears to be tremendously unhelpful here, for smallish New Jersey towns. I think we need to use simple common sense and good judgement here. The average reader looking up Allendale, New Jersey is more likely to be interested in its demographics, educational system(s), and public and/or road and highway access before he or she contemplates the name of the current mayor or councilmembers. Castncoot (talk) 03:35, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

I agree that WP:USCITIES is highly flawed, but it is intended to be a guide to the organization of articles about places of all sizes. I'm sure that you have your perceptions as to what readers want to know about in what order, as do I. The best way to resolve this is through consensus, using featured articles and relevant guidelines as a model. Alansohn (talk) 03:40, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Are there many Featured Articles on small towns? If so, I agree they could be a relevant guideline for consensus, and I also agree we should strive to reach a consensus. Otherwise, an alternative might be to contemplate what one might look for in the website city-data.com. Also, the fact is that there is readily available information about the names of school board members of these towns' school districts - the average reader is likely to be just as disinterested in these names as well. Education, Transportation, and Government thus speak for themselves, but the politics associated with Education or Government (or the Transportation department, for that matter) are far less important, although certainly worth mentioning, when dealing with these smallish towns, from this perspective. Castncoot (talk) 04:00, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

I encourage you to find examples of articles that support your case and make your case to change the current consensus at WP:USCITIES used across the nation. Alansohn (talk) 04:10, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

No problem. See Allendale. In Michigan, that is. Also, when or where was consensus reached to apply the WP:USCITIES guideline to New Jersey's town articles? And was that in fact, followed, when it directed politics to be geared toward larger cities, not smallish towns in New Jersey? Are school board members' names then listed in New Jersey town articles' Government sections? Questions to contemplate. Castncoot (talk) 04:53, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

So we should base consensus in New Jersey on an article for somewhere in Michigan that is unincorporated so it has no government? When was that consensus made? Please raise the issue at WT:NJ and make your best case for why this should be the model. I wish you the best of luck. Alansohn (talk) 04:57, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Actually, please look up Allendale Charter Township in Michigan, as you were the one who suggested looking at articles across the US. At the time of this writing, there isn't even a Government section, even though there is a government, as stated in the infobox. On the other hand, the Education section directly follows Demographics. I've also noticed that no other state's municipalities' Government section carries as much material as in New Jersey - but this goes against WP:USCITIES, which again, you seem to be relying on, albeit partially and selectively. I also don't believe I have any burden here, because I don't believe an applicable consensus was ever reached for New Jersey towns, which mostly have < 100K in population - while the spirit and intent of the very roughly and poorly designed WP:USCITIES is clearly aimed at big cities. Castncoot (talk) 11:32, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Being that no applicable consensus has ever been reached then, I would simply point out that this is indeed a golden opportunity to quickly build for the first time a consensus for a laudable template for New Jersey town articles and to call it WP:NJCITIES. Perhaps it could be ordered as such:

• Lede
• History
• Geography
• Demographics
• Education
• Transportation
• Economy
• Government
• Public services
• Politics
• Culture
• Notable residents
• See also
• References
• External links
  

As you notice, Government is getting its fair play in this list, using the perspective of criteria as would be ranked in terms of mundane, day-to-day concerns of inhabitants of New Jersey suburban towns, who incorporate vastly different concerns from those in large cities. The average citizen has to travel every day, for example, many to New York City or Philadelphia, and a large percentage if not a majority in these smallish suburban towns have school-aged children; on the other hand, the average citizen is not showing up in council chambers each day, nor do government decisions in small towns match the attention received by every word uttered or every move ordered by the mayor of a big city, nor is there generally a plurality of single people in these towns for whom public education is not as prominent an issue. If one can make the reasonable assumption that readers of New Jersey town articles want to get an authentic "flavor" of a given town itself, then IMHO, this list is sensible. Best, Castncoot (talk) 12:06, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

• I guess we have three choices here. We can adopt WP:USCITIES as a standard; We can use the de facto consensus standard used in articles for New Jersey that has been established over the past dozen years; or we can follow your proposed standard (for which I cannot understand separating Government and Politics into two discrete sections). While USCITIES is not policy, it does provide a model of section orders used across the nation and in featured articles. Sure Allendale, New Jersey isn't Boston. But neither is Newark, Jersey City or New Jersey, yet I'm confident that these are full-fledged cities. There are Teterboro and Tavistock at the smallest end of New Jersey municipalities, but where would we draw the line in the List of municipalities in New Jersey between large cities and those subject to your proposed NJCITIES? Where do Atlantic City and Hackensack cities with 40,000-odd residents fit in, and what about Neptune City (a borough with about 5,000 residents) or Corbin City (a city with 500 or so people). As to content of sections, we can search the nation for the lowest quality articles and gut New Jersey articles to match the lowest standard or we could work to encourage editors in Michigan and elsewhere to be far more thorough and complete following the standard we've set here. Think it through, modify your structure as needed, and make your best case at WT:NJ. I am rather leery of the proposal, But I am more than happy to abide by whatever formal consensus is established through this process. Alansohn (talk) 13:49, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Glad to see this forum progressing in a positive discussion and rapidly so, Alansohn (talk). I think reasonable people can work pretty quickly. First, let me say that the Michigan article simply represented an exaggerated counterexample; obviously I don't believe that any town with a government should or can be devoid of a Government section, and my proposed list order above includes Government squarely in the middle. Likewise, I believe WP:USCITIES is awful, you have acknowledged that is flawed yourself, and I suspect that it's also caused many town article editors to shun it across the country. Choices would be to include all municipalities in New Jersey which come with the title "City" alone (there must be a mere ten or fifteen of them, perhaps, compared to over 500 townships and boroughs?-you would know better than I) under WP:USCITIES (which I don't favor), or to place ALL towns AND cities under the new WP:NJCITIES template. You yourself acknowledged at the outset of this discussion that the de facto status quo is also not acceptable, so it would be frankly hypocritical to maintain an unacceptable product. Finally, I have deliberately proposed making Politics a separate section because I believe that we as editors must have insight and responsibility when informing the reader to separate essential governmental services, such as the structure of a town's government and its police and fire protection, from comparatively non-essential information, including the names and political affiliations of current councilmembers. I don't mind transporting this same discussion to WP:NJ, will do so per your suggestion. Best, Castncoot (talk) 17:05, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

WP:AN/I notice

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Magnolia

Just a note of amusement: Describing the one you have banned yourself from interacting with as an "malicious stalker" in the comments of the self-revert isn't quite "non-interaction"... Famartin (talk) 06:27, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

• No amusement here. When the non-interactee who is involved in malicious stalking on an active and ongoing basis runs off to ANI about a clearly inadvertent overlap, it's worth calling a spade a spade, or (on Misplaced Pages) a WP:DICK a WP:DICK. Nothing else seems to get this editor's attention and even he seems to have been scared off by the bizarre outburst from BMK, his protector in chief, who has previously been rather blind and accommodating to his misbehavior. Any suggestions you may have as to how to deal with this kind of deliberate DICKishness would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for the note. Alansohn (talk) 11:49, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
  • You could try taking the high road. No matter what happens, use neutral terms, polite manners and dispassionate logic. It's hard, but in the end it would work in your favor. Who knows, perhaps it might even change other's behavior as well? Jacona (talk) 12:29, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
    • Believe you me, I've tried taking the high road and it's utterly failed. When he started editing, I left more than a dozen messages explaining why he needed to add sources to his edits and that seems to have pissed him off to no end. He persists in leaving behind little land mines, editing articles purposelessly that he's never edited before on a random basis, solely to create potential opportunities to violate the interaction ban. I've tolerated this bullshit for months, going way out of my way to avoid conflict and not editing the articles he's created without intervening edits, while he's been deliberately stalking me and running ahead of my edits to maliciously create it. If some jerk was constantly following you around, persistently editing the same articles you edited, deliberately manufacturing conflicts and trying to craft a justification for a block, riding your ass day after day after day, you'd do exactly what I've done; any rational person would. If you have any other ideas to get this guy off my back, I'm more than happy to try anything, but the "high road" has failed. Thanks for the suggestion. Alansohn (talk) 12:43, 20 April 2015 (UTC)