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WP:NTOUR requires that a tour be covered in-depth by reliable, secondary sources, and states that reviews of individual performances don't add up to notability for a tour. In this case, we have no such coverage--the most reliable article to mention the tour is this, which is nothing in terms of providing actual discussion--it's just an announcement. Or, delete as non-notable. Drmies (talk) 03:14, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. A look online shows little more than reviews for the tour (which doesn't count toward notability as stated above) and unreliable sources mentioning the tour and/or tour dates. None of this equates the in-depth coverage needed for this article to survive. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 03:38, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

• Comment & question I don't have time to do an in depth search, but a few seconds of searching located this additional reference from the Oregonian on "That Bass Tour". . I can't help but notice this is the second deletion request for this article & that Trainer articles seem to pop on noticeboards a lot, so my question is: why are Meghan Trainor articles controversial? --BoboMeowCat (talk) 03:48, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

"Controversial"? Where's the controversy, BoboMeowCat? -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 03:51, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

I've noticed Megan Trainer seems to be a topic that inspires a lot of drama. Such as ANI's regarding battleground and nit-picky seeming RfC's regarding whether to call her a "singer-songwriter" or "singer/songwriter" etc. . I don't get all the fuss. --BoboMeowCat (talk) 03:58, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Off-topic, but..."nit-picky"? Wanting an encyclopedia to be concise and provide correct information for readers -- I don't find that nit-picky at all. Indeed, I find it to be responsible stewardship. Sometimes I think Misplaced Pages editors forget that this encyclopedia is supposed to be about providing accurate online information for readers, not enjoyment, entertainment, and feelings of victory for editors. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 04:04, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

BoboMeowCat, it seems that with this edit at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Countering systemic bias/Gender gap task force you are trying to create drama yourself by implying this AfD is some sort of anti-female bias? Please tell me I'm wrong... -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 04:24, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

You are mistaken. WP:GGTF is set up to improve articles related to women. If the concern in not enough in-depth coverage, interested editors from that task force might be able to help. Also, the additional source I just located indicated Trainer and this tour are quite popular with 11 year old girls. I would suspect that due to systemic bias resulting from our editor population, topics of interest to tween girls might not be adequately represented on WP, so if this article could be improved, that might be beneficial in terms of WP covering more topics outside the interest base of the bulk of our editors, so this deletion request is on topic for that task force. --BoboMeowCat (talk) 04:35, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

• I hadn't seen the first one; thanks, I'll have a look. The reference you gave is better than what was there in the article, but it's hardly in-depth discussion of the tour as a whole. As for depth--well, "A good portion of Bob Marley's "Legend" played before Trainor and her band took the stage. Bob Marley is definitely all about that bass." That's 1/10th of it--there's no depth there. Drmies (talk) 03:56, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
• Well, whaddayaknow, that first AfD was mine too. It ended in "delete"! Drmies (talk) 03:57, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

• The result in the first case was because the tour hadn't happened yet. The tour is now running and is generating adequate coverage. This demonstrates that the first nomination was a waste of everyone's time, like this one. Andrew D. (talk) 06:59, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

• Delete This probably could have been speedy deleted since the creator admitted recreating it with the explanation that it "does not deserve to be deleted". Ca2james (talk) 04:52, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

• For building an encyclopedia, it's most helpful to judge the article based on its current state and its potential for improvement instead of the creator's original reason for creating it. Dreamyshade (talk) 06:16, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

• Keep or Merge. WP:NTOUR doesn't seem to say that concert reviews don't count for notability for a tour. Along with the sources in the article, with a Google search and Google News search I found commentary about the tour from Oregon Live, a review in The Tennessean, a review in The Daily Trojan, a review in The Telegraph, a review in USA Today, and a short article from MTV about outfits for the tour. There seems to be substantial enough coverage of the tour. Maybe it could be squished into a section in her main article, but it also could be reasonably well-supported as an independent article. There is also likely to be more coverage as the tour continues. Dreamyshade (talk) 06:16, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
• Keep/merge I agree 100% with Dreamyshade who has made all the points which I had established too. In particular:

1. WP:NTOUR does not say what the nomination claims
2. The reviews in the Telegraph and Reporter demonstrate significant coverage of the sort which NTOUR is expecting, "Such coverage might show notability in terms of artistic approach, financial success, relationship to audience, or other such terms."

The main problem with focussing on the tour, per se, is that it mainly becomes a list of venues and dates which is contrary to WP:NOTDIR. This issue will become clearer when the second tour starts, right after the first - see Will Meghan Trainor’s MTrain Tour Pull Into Your Hometown?. To make the most of the sources, which concentrate upon the content of the sets and the nature of the audience, it would be best to cover this topic at the main article about Trainor. That would be a merger and so deletion is not appropriate, per WP:ATD. Andrew D. (talk) 06:44, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

• Speedy Keep - Substantial coverage on independent reliable sources. I am going to work on this article next month. However, notability is demonstrated enough. Tour is still continuing. We have fucking got an article for The 1989 World Tour for months, it still has so much time to even begin. Simply, That Bass Tour is one of the biggest tours right now. All About That Bass (A word?? / Stalking not allowed...) 07:50, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep I agree with All About That Bass and also Dreamyshade. The article subject has already received significant coverage in numerous WP:RS including: Telegraph, Reporter, Will Meghan Trainor’s MTrain Tour Pull Into Your Hometown?, commentary about the tour from Oregon Live, a review in The Tennessean, a review in The Daily Trojan, a review in USA Today, and a short article from MTV about outfits for the tour. With this many sources and references available the article should be speedily kept and just expanded with the other sources that are openly available. I certainly also agree with Andrew D., this all seems to be a huge waste of time. What happened to WP:BEFORE, and are some of the editors here having problems getting the google search engine to work? Just sayin... Cheers! WordSeventeen (talk) 11:28, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

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