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Ranze

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Request concerning Ranze

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

PeterTheFourth (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 06:36, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Ranze (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/GamerGate#Discretionary_sanctions :

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 26th April 2015 Editing article for A Voice For Men, a Men's Rights website.
2. 26th April 2015 Editing Calgary Expo article to include information about Gamergate.

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

1. 4th April 2015 Standard Gamergate topic ban administered by Gamaliel

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• Previously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict on 4th April 2015 by Gamaliel (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA).

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

I think editing the article for a Men's Rights website violates this editor's topic ban from "(b) any gender-related dispute or controversy" broadly construed.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Ranze

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Statement by Ranze

"All pages related to people associated with gender-related controversy" could arguably pertain to 100% of articles about people on Misplaced Pages. If you dig deep enough, there would inevitably be a gender-related controversy in any person's life, even if it is something as simple as "which parent do you favour" or "which sex are you attracted to".

I have contacted Gamaliel about my concerns about this broadness. It was undue, and it effectively operates as a 1-year block altogether (not a topic block) since:

1. it's too vague and applies to everything except discussion of basic concepts like chemistry or math
2. I am told "demonstrate an ability to deal with sensitive issues regarding living individuals in other areas of the encyclopedia" yet there is no way to demonstrate such an ability if I am banned from discussing living individuals altogether

As best I've been informed, this has been based upon

1. citing tweets by person Z on the talk page of the article about person Z
2. linking to a page on appropriate disambiguation pages

The reasoning has been spurious. The tweets and their data were not libelous or inaccurate, because they came from the person they were about, we use the same Twitter account to support the birth year in the article.

I also do not find them 'unflattering', I have a great respect for the career in question. This is like saying "Chris Jericho loves hockey" and an admin who hates hockey thinking it unflattering, not taking into account that this is not the viewpoint others take of the hobby.

I made efforts to demonstrate ability-to-deal by talking and was not being given due consideration, and it was unjustified to put it up to begin with. Ranze (talk) 07:33, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure if it would be against the rules to reply to the below commentators in their own sections so I will do so here:

• @A Quest For Knowledge: Anything but discussing carbon can be twisted into being called that. I'm not discussing gender issues at all, for AVFM I was fact-checking what our article said and what the references said. I think if you had an issue with the accuracy of the edits themselves you'd bring it up, their neutrality speaks for me staying within bounds of not injecting my opinion into topics. Ranze (talk) 00:00, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
• @Bilby: The focus here does not appear to be on making valid edits, because anyone else could add that as a reference to establish game notability. I avoided doing so because I'm trying to stay within bounds. Simply mentioning GP covered it is not me making GG commentary, I avoided doing so and left the decision as to whether to do so to others. Ranze (talk) 00:00, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
• @Heimstern: my perception is that the edits did not expressedly concern GG because the actual text I added to the article did not mention it. I do not understand a topic ban to extend to me having to make sure that references make no mention of it either. I was willing to modify the titles to omit references to it if necessary. Could you please inform me of how to go through an appeals process? Gamaliel did not do so, so I was trying to negotiate it directly with the admin who put it there. I think it is unfair to put in a sanction and then leave the sanctioned person in the dark as to how to appeal it. Ranze (talk) 00:00, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
• @HJ Mitchell: I agree it is not covered, but I don't understand why such a broad "gender-related dispute" thing needs to be applied. The conflict here was not even about GG it was about ZQ and discussing tweets on a talk page. This is like outlawing editing articles about math because of a conflict on a biology article because it's all 'science' or something. You mention "covered by the GamerGate sanctions" but Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/GamerGate#Discretionary_sanctions says "The community Gamergate general sanctions are hereby rescinded" so I thought there was nothing standard anymore and that sanctions should be based on what is relevant to behavior. Ranze (talk) 00:00, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Comment by uninvolved A Quest for Knowledge

I'm not sure how the first diff is a violation (perhaps I missed something?), but the second diff certainly appears to be a clear-cut violation of the topic ban. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 13:47, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Upon closer inspection, the discretionary sanctions include "any gender-related dispute or controversy", so both appear to be pretty clear-cut violations of the topic ban. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 13:53, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Statement by Bilby

I'd add to the two edits noted by PeterTheFourth a third - creating the article Afterlife Empire. Although the stub Ranze created doesn't specifically mention GamerGate, the game was noted for having been heavily funded by GamerGate supporters, and includes the GamerGate mascot as a character. Although a direct reference wasn't added, Ranze made mention of GamePolitics.com reporting on the game. The article concerned, , is focused entirely on the relationship between Afterlife Empire and GamerGate. I can't see this as a coincidence, and Ranze's reference to the GamePolitics article makes this clear. - Bilby (talk) 15:07, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Ranze, the problem is that you've been making edits regarding the topic of GamerGate, in spite of the topic ban - creating an article about game sponsored by GamerGate, and adding content about a booth evicted from an expo when they were selling GamerGate material. That in both cases you attempted (with limited success) to avoid using the term "GamerGate" doesn't mean that they aren't violations of the topic ban. The issue is editing the general topic of GamerGate, not whether or not you mention the specific term. - Bilby (talk) 09:24, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

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Result concerning Ranze

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

• Given that one of these edits expressly concerned GamerGate, and the other concerned Men's Rights and allegations of misogyny, I can't see how this could be anything but a violation of the topic ban issued by Gamaliel. Ranze, your argument seems to be that your ban was unjustified. If that is the case, you need to follow the appeals process to have it lifted. Until such a time as it is, you are bound by it and may be blocked if you make edits that violate it. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 13:32, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
  • @Ranze: you're right that you should be informed of how to appeal your topic ban. You can do that at this page by creating a new section and using the template {{Arbitration enforcement appeal}}. If you do appeal, you should make the strongest case you can that the sanction itself is in error. In the meantime, understand that you must abide by the ban and not edit in this topic area, even if your edits seem innocuous.
  • As for this thread, I agree with HJ Mitchell to close with a warning only. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 11:41, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
• I agree this is a clear-cut violation of the topic ban (consensus is, I believe, that the Men's Rights Movement is not in itself covered by the GamerGate sanctions, but there is clearly an overlap between MRM and "gender-related dispute or controversy"). I suggest a warning and provision of a Mesn's Rights article probation notice, assuming this is a first topic-ban violation. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:44, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Eric Corbett

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Request concerning Eric Corbett

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

Gobonobo (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 20:27, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Eric Corbett (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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Sanction or remedy to be enforced

• Eric Corbett topic banned indefinitely from: (i) editing the pages of the Gender Gap Task Force; (ii) discussing the gender disparity among Wikipedians; and (iii) participating in any process broadly construed to do with these topics.
• Eric Corbett prohibited ... from shouting at, swearing at, insulting and/or belittling other editors.

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 15:18, April 5, 2015 Eric Corbett notes his topic ban then violates it by referring to GGTF. He also makes a personal attack against another editor, referring to User:Sue Gardner as "terminally dim".
2. 13:30, April 26, 2015. Eric Corbett writes that GGTF supporters "have blocked up their ears and closed their eyes to the reality"

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

1. 25 January 2015 Block by Sandstein for violating the GGTF topic ban
2. 27 February 2015 Block by Coffee for violating the topic ban

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• Mentioned by name in the Arbitration Committee's decision linked to above.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Since the GGTF arbitration, Eric has received two short blocks for violations of the topic ban. Per the Arb Com remedy, a third violation should result in a week-long block. I recommend fully protecting Eric Corbett's talk page for the duration of any block because it is where this latest violation took place.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Eric Corbett

Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.

Statement by Eric Corbett

Statement by Dr. Blofeld

By the looks of this it happened over three weeks ago and this editor is simply trying to dig up dirt on Eric and cause trouble. I would hope that this is swiftly closed and thrown out and Gobonobo given a warning. This sort of thing wastes everybody's time, including the arb clerks who surely have better things to be sorting out. I don't see any gross violation here. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:42, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Statement by MONGO

A warning to the filing party is in order for digging up mud that is already past its sell by date.--MONGO 20:54, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Statement by Sitush

So Lightbreather (talk · contribs) resurrects a dead thread on Eric's talk page, gets blocked for something else and within an hour or so gobonobo decides now is the time to raise the dead thread at AE? What a coincidence. Where have these people been for the last three weeks?

Eric has plenty of watchers. Any report should have been made at the time. - Sitush (talk) 21:07, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

@Gobonobo: your diff of 26 April in clearly in response to Lightbreather's obvious baiting. The question is, why did she reignite that thread? - Sitush (talk) 21:29, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

@Black Kite: it isn't merely "pretty mild" - see ^ ^ Is AE intended to police to the letter or to the spirit? - Sitush (talk) 11:26, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Statement by Short Brigade Harvester Boris

The original gag order was utterly daft, especially in light of its extraordinarily broad nature. Enforcing it would be even dafter (if that's a word). If there are problems with the nature of comments then deal with those on their own terms rather than banning someone from commenting on a particular topic. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 21:26, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Statement by Andy Dingley

This complaint seems to be a sheer search for More Dramah, much as described above. I see no merit to it, and no advantage to pursuing it. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:49, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Statement by Beyond My Ken

Does AE issue trouts? Anyway, a trout, or the AE equivalent of a trout, to the filing party. Corbett's hardly an angel, but that's not carte blanche to go around deliberately looking for problems.

Just a note re: SHBH's comment: if the incident was recent, and was truly in breach of the ban, then by all means it should be enforced, regardless of who the violator was, and regardless of SBHB's opinion about the ban. BMK (talk) 23:54, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Statement by Cas Liber

The conversation has died anyway, so there is nothing preventative about action here, only punitive, which blocks are not meant to be. I can't understand why the nominator is dredging up old incidents now and appears counterintuitive to harmonious editing and a contravention of WP:BATTLEGROUND. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:59, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Statement by Ddstretch

The reporting user should be at least warned about this dirt-digging of old threads. Furthermore, a stern warning might be considered by the committee about attempts to harass Eric Corbett by game-playing AE enforcement in this way. A more suitable solution might be to completely revise and amend the restrictions placed on Eric Corbett, given the extent to which various editors are continuing to attempt to harass him by using AE and the committee in this manner.  DDStretch  (talk) 02:12, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Statement by Ched

(edit conflict) Just for the sake of non-argument, I'll put my comment here rather than below. Suffice to say that I strongly endorse the views of Bishonen, and DDStretch. It's the people who provoke discord who should be admonished, NOT those who respond to the provocation. That's not to say that I think "2 wrongs make a right", but I DO think people have every right to defend themselves. Going "By the book" may have it's place, but as said above, if it's only to support the "letter" rather than the "spirit" - then it becomes part of the problem. — Ched :  ?  13:35, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Statement by EChastain

Lightbreather made seven baiting comments on Eric Corbett's talk page in the hour before she was blocked (apparently for other misdeeds) and one hour before this ds was filed.

1. (edit summary: Do you people never tire of self-congratulation?)

Isn't this baiting? Is it really true that Eric Corbett is forbidden to use letters of the alphabet? G, T, F? Prohibiting this is just shutting up the opinions of dissidents on their own talk pages regarding political matters, I think. EChastain (talk) 14:11, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

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Result concerning Eric Corbett

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.

• This edit is three weeks old. Newyorkbrad (talk) 20:30, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
  • In the second diff, the editor was responding to a comment on his own talk page, directly on the subject of the GGTF. It is unrealistic to expect him not to respond, in that context. I support taking no action. Newyorkbrad (talk) 13:01, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
• The filer has added a diff from 26 April which seems to breach both of the sanctions cited so it looks to me like a block is appropriate. Given that we've had the first 72 hour block (c.f. Eric Corbett prohibited) it seems appropriate that the second 72 hour block is imposed this time as enforcing both sanctions. Regarding the filer, a reminder probably to include recent evidence is appropriate, not a warning as I haven't seen any history which indicates that they have a record of inappropriate filings. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:16, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

• Um ... which of the first sanctions does that break? (I can see how it might be taken as breaking the second, though it's pretty mild). Black Kite (talk) 11:19, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

• This AE request seems of a piece with the equally frivolous civility warning to Giano that Gobonobo posted three hours later. That too was for a post on Eric Corbett's page. Note that taking Giano's words out of context, as Gobonobo did in the warning, they might seem offensive and/or sexist (similar to the second diff Gobonobo offers here). The context is provided a little further down in the thread on Giano's page. I propose no action against Eric Corbett and some strongly worded advice to the filer to not go round looking for trouble. Bishonen | talk 11:43, 27 April 2015 (UTC).