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176.46.125.190 (talk) 20:19, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Neo-Nazi Symbology

Is this really the emblem of the battalion? http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-kiev-regime-is-not-officially-a-neo-nazi-government/5384722 It looks a bit overburdened with fascist symbols. Thalb2003 (talk) 20:39, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

I believe it was a proposed one that they wanted people to vote for online. Also, do yourself a favour and don't read globalresearch, it's a hoax site.--LeVivsky (ಠ_ಠ) 22:01, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

I am not able to find any photo depicting the actual use of the "composite" symbol, but the symbol itself is quite spread across the web. Should we mention this? Mach1988 (talk) 18:28, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

You can find the emblem on a placard for a solidarity concert headlined by Nokturnal Mortum, a National Socialist Black Metal band. On their website here. Dancemucke (talk) 02:21, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

There's a new Telegraph article which contains a picture showing fighters close to the leader with that emblem on their uniforms. I think it's save to add it to the article now. Dancemucke (talk) 13:04, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

There is interesting video on Youtube where Azov volonteers are giving oath under Ukrainian flag which is upside down and mirror image of German Wolfsangel sign. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4491UVE_bM Upside down Ukrainian flag was used by SS division "Galician" in 1943.Arcpeter (talk) 07:14, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wolfsangel#Pre-1945

The symbol is an inverted Wolfbane as identified from the other wikipedia article . This simple inversion device is also present in the "Social National Assembly" use of "national socialist". This would be the same as using the alternative rotation in the swastika — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.254.148.163 (talk) 12:55, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Removal of BBC report on recruitment of Swedish neo-Nazi, Skillt

I've restored the removal of text about the Azov Battalion's recruitment of the neo-Nazi Michael Skillt. The removal was justified by stating that referring to the presence of a single person was undue. However, the person's notoriety was the reason it was reported by the BBC in the first place, and the report was addressed by the Ukrainian Ministry of the Interior. I've therefore restored the information, especially since it's consistent with other reporting on Azov and helps build a fuller picture of the organization. -Darouet (talk) 20:15, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Second emblem

Do we have any evidence that the new emblem - prominently featuring neo-Nazi symbols - actually has anything to do with the Azov Battalion? -Darouet (talk) 21:42, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Ah, I see my question was answered above. Thank you User:Dancemucke! -Darouet (talk) 21:43, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Article for further expansion:

here. (I have no time to expand the article at this moment...) — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 17:34, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

amazing

amazing article and amazing talk.. nobody mentions the far-right neo-fascist background of the azov batallion.. its formed by groups as "patriots of ukraine", "prawy sektor", "social-national assembly". The Emblem shows the "Wolfsangel" and the "Black Sun", which are both on the list of forbidden Neo-Nazi-Symbols in Germany. These groups were involved in terror-bombing-attacks as the Vasylkiv terrorists case. In fact these groups are ultra-nationalist terror groups. Patriots?? Seriously?? Is the english wiki ran by the pentagon? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.52.206.251 (talk) 01:24, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

It's not clear what you're talking about, since the page is well sourced and is blunt regarding the Azov battalion's far right politics and its connection to neo-Nazi politics. -Darouet (talk) 02:44, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

I think neo-nazi is completely out of left field when referring to this battalion as there's been no reporting about any hate crimes or advocating of nazism covered by the news, mostly from what I've seen it's both RT and Russian news sites that have referred to them as neo-nazi's they're at worst nationalist based on their connections with ukrainian political parties. 71.190.28.83 (talk) 04:57, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Maybe you speak about vandalized version, I restore this edit.Cathry (talk) 13:13, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Not Neo-Nazi symbol authentication

Okay honestly can we get some real research on both the symbol and the neo-nazi claims as there has been no statement by the battalion or it's founders expressing any form of neo-nazi ideology, at best they are nationalist. Not neo-nazi's also the referred emblem has not shown up in any pictures along with the battalion itself in it. This article is heavily bias and attempting to push the russian POV of neo-nazis in the ukrainian army. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.28.83 (talk) 23:08, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Here we go. Very fine video by Vice News where you can see all of Azov's current symbolics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKnFSzMefIY&list=PLw613M86o5o7DfgzuUCd_PVwbOCDO472B&index=3#aid=P-yv_PZD0QM Arcpeter (talk) 08:51, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

They are Nazis and fully admit this. Saying they are not, and dismissing analysis by experts and their own testimony, is just poor form. That they say its not Nazi is irrelevant because they can say the sky is not blue as well. --BLACK FUTURE (tlk2meh) 19:27, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

There you go, there are swashbuckling Nazi adventurers fighting for the Ukraine. What's to say they won't pull another Bohdan Khmelnytsky? 69.142.222.250 (talk) 05:22, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 September 2014

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I would like to insert this video I filmed in Mariupol when I was embedded with the Azov Battalion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS68MYHWrMo&feature=youtu.be Bobomatto (talk) 13:20, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Article not protected —72.244.200.230 (talk) 15:06, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Copyright could be an issue, Bobomatto. "Copyrights: Agenfor Media. Reportage by Fausto Biloslavo e Roberto Di Matteo." --Dervorguilla (talk) 03:00, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Disputed

Is Azov Battalion a "law-enforcement agency"?

Is it a "special police company"?

Does the battalion have a "national socialist ideology"?

Are its members white supremacists and anti-Semites? Are some of its members?

May men and women without "National Socialist views" join? --Dervorguilla (talk) 08:39, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

I've made a few changes based on these questions, Dervorguilla, and more changes may be needed. -Darouet (talk) 17:44, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Good points! 1) It is an official police unit now led by a Lieutenant-colonel of police. 2) The majority of volunteers are Ukrainian social-nationalists. Ukrainian social-nationalism is a right-wing, nationalist ideology which strikes at building a social-nationalist state in Ukraine. What does it mean nobody knows for sure. Hope nothing wrong! ;) 3) Nobody can tell if all of them are white supremacists and anti-Semites since people don't usually flash such credentials. 3) Yes, anybody can join but as the case of Yaroslav Honchar, «AZOV» battalion's former deputy commander shows, you won't stay there for long if you are not a hard core nationalist, precisely, not a social-nationalist! And Honchar was a hero of Euromaidan, one of the original founders of the battalion which did not help him much. Usually, «AZOV» takes young boys in, and then Oleh Odnoroshenko, who by the way holds a PHD in history and went through habilitation, successfully turns them into social-nationalists at the «AZOV»'s training center in Kiev. Hope that will help. I checked the article, updated it, and think that it is completely kosher now! ;) Which means that this menacing tag scaring people away can be safely removed. Good luck with your work, guys! Best, --Nabak (talk) 19:00, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

"3) Nobody can tell if all of them are white supremacists and anti-Semites since people don't usually flash such credentials."

Thank you for bringing up this argument, Nabak. I think you're not alone in this belief. It may perhaps justify some otherwise unexplained edits by some editors who've been contributing to articles in the 'Far-right politics in Ukraine' category. Has anyone found any factual evidence or logical argument to support it?

Along these lines, has the government of Israel published any information that would suggest that Azov or SNA (or affiliated groups) are anti-Semitic? --Dervorguilla (talk) 07:24, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

"Thank you for bringing up this argument" it is not argument Cathry (talk) 14:49, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

http://rid.org.ua/?p=256 try to read here Історична місія нашої Нації у це переломне сторіччя – очолити й повести за собою Білі Народи всього світу в останній хрестовий похід за своє існування. Похід проти очолюваного семітами недолюдства. The historical mission of our Nation in this watershed century - lead and lead the White nations of the world in the last crusade for their existence. Сampaign against undermen led by Semites .Cathry (talk) 14:59, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Nabak, Вы правда считаете что "ничего плохого" - это Після встановлення панування Білої раси на теренах свого проживання Арійська конфедерація провадить ряд заходів щодо відновлення свого політичного та економічного домінування в країнах з небілим населенням" (с) Однороженко и "Відповідно, лікування нашого Національного організму необхідно починати з Расового очищення Нації. І тоді в здоровому Расовому тілі відродиться здоровий Національний Дух, а з ним культура, мова і все інше. Крім питання чистоти, ми повинні звернути увагу також на питання повноцінності Раси. Українці – це частина (причому одна з найбільших і найякісніших) європейської Білої Раси. Раси-Творця великої цивілізації, найвищих людських досягнень. Історична місія нашої Нації у це переломне сторіччя – очолити й повести за собою Білі Народи всього світу в останній хрестовий похід за своє існування. Похід проти очолюваного семітами недолюдства." ? (с) Билецкий и прочее Возможно, я не поняла вашей иронии, но вот выше ее тоже не очень поняли. Cathry (talk) 14:49, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for providing the halpful source material, Cathry. The content page http://rid.org.ua/?p=256 that you cited is now archived at "Ukrayinsʹkyy Sotsial-Natsionalizm" ("Український Соціал-Націоналізм") ("Ukrainian Social-Nationalism"). An English-language translation of the homepage http://rid.org.ua is archived at Network Edition Reed. Note: The title of the original Ukrainian-language homepage, Merezheve vydannya Rid (Мережеве видання Рід), could also be translated as ‘Network Edition Family’. The homepage of February 2007 is archived at Slava Nashomu Rodu! (Слава Нашому Роду!) (Glory to Our Family!).

In your opinion, is this an official site? --Dervorguilla (talk) 01:37, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

The homepage of February 2007 is archived at Slava Nashomu Rodu! (Слава Нашому Роду! Not it is not family site. "Rod (Rid)" in slavic paganism and nationalism has special meaning not common as somebodys family In ukrainian family is "родина". Cathry (talk) 08:24, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

These are Biletsky and Odnorojenko words, and it was on official site http://snaua.info/ and now that was cleaned off) ând Coogle cleaned cash too:). But do you not believe to journalist of Daily Telegraph, who cited these words? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11025137/Ukraine-crisis-the-neo-Nazi-brigade-fighting-pro-Russian-separatists.html Meanwhile this is cash of page of snaua.info https://archive.today/nzjKy Cathry (talk) 08:24, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks again, Cathry. The answer to your inquiry is no, I don't "believe the journalist of Daily Telegraph". Nor should I. From WP's article about The Daily Telegraph: "In June 2014, The Telegraph was criticised for its policy of replacing experienced journalists and news managers with less-experienced staff and search-engine optimisers."

Here the evidence indicates that Parfitt did not read what he says he read. I'm tagging his statement for removal. --Dervorguilla (talk) 10:26, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

No, it is not evidence of any deeds by Parfitt, and WP article is not reliable source. And still you can read this here https://archive.today/nzjKy or copy http://snaua.info/ukrayinskiy-sotsial-natsionalizm-2/ link to Bing or Yahoo, there is cash of page still. It is very interesting, that Google has not its cash. Do not you think it is strange? Cathry (talk) 10:44, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Somewhat strange, Cathry; maybe Google had last crawled the site during the time when the domain name service was interrupted?

To clarify my comment above: Parfitt says he read a commentary by Biletsky that uses the term "Semite-led Untermenschen" ("A crusade against the Semite-led Untermenschen"). The evidence indicates that Parfitt did not read what he says he read. --Dervorguilla (talk) 11:19, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

What evidence? it was on this site when Parfitt wrote his article. https://archive.today/nzjKy They cleaned site only this week. "maybe Google had last crawled the site during the time when the domain name service" i hope, it is true) Cathry (talk) 12:14, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Can you translate the original Ukrainian-language passage for us, Cathry? --Dervorguilla (talk) 12:22, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

"Відповідно, лікування нашого Національного організму необхідно починати з Расового очищення Нації. І тоді в здоровому Расовому тілі відродиться здоровий Національний Дух, а з ним культура, мова і все інше. Крім питання чистоти, ми повинні звернути увагу також на питання повноцінності Раси. Українці – це частина (причому одна з найбільших і найякісніших) європейської Білої Раси. Раси-Творця великої цивілізації, найвищих людських досягнень. Історична місія нашої Нації у це переломне сторіччя – очолити й повести за собою Білі Народи всього світу в останній хрестовий похід за своє існування. Похід проти очолюваного семітами недолюдства." "So, treatment of our national body should begin with Racial cleaning of Nation. And then healthy Racial body will give birth to healthy National spirit, and culture, language and everything else. In addition to issues of purity, we must pay attention to the issue of Racial usefulness. Ukrainian people - are belong to (and are of the largest quantity and highest quality) European White Race. The Creator-Race of the great civilization, the highest human achievement. The historical mission of our Nation in this critical century - is to lead White nations of the world in the last crusade for their existence. Crusade against subhumanity( Untermenschen) led by Semites " I used google translate with some edits. Cathry (talk) 12:36, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

What I meant to say, Cathry, is: Can you translate the cited Ukrainian-language passage?

Історична місія нашої Нації у це переломне сторіччя – очолити й повести за собою Білі Народи всього світу в останній хрестовий похід за своє існування. Похід проти очолюваного семітами недолюдства.

Straightforward translation, without edits. Thanks! --Dervorguilla (talk) 13:04, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

"The historical mission of our Nation in this critical century - is to lead White nations of the world in the last crusade for their existence. Crusade against subhumanity( Untermenschen) led by Semites." or "Semite-led Untermenschen" (i hope grammar is correct) Do you pretend youn do not understand what I mean about edits according to google translate? Cathry (talk) 13:10, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

It's not your Google Translate skills I'm questioning, Cathry!

With your assistance, I've now worked out an accurate English-language translation. Belitsky wrote: "... A campaign against Semite-led subhumanity."

Not "Semite-led Untermenschen".

The Ukrainian word "nedolyudstva" can be translated as "subhumanity" (English) or "Untermenschheit" (German). But not "Untermenschen". --Dervorguilla (talk) 17:15, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

What is the difference? they are synonyms. Cathry (talk) 18:11, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Good question, Cathry. Menschen (people) and Menschheit (humanity) are synonyms but not precise synonyms. Far more important: Belitsky wrote in Ukrainian, not German, and we're writing in English, not German.

And the terms "Menschen" and "Untermenschen" are not found in any American- or British-English dictionary.

AP policies are given in "Associated Press Statement of News Values and Principles":

• Quotations must be accurate, and precise.

Standards and practices

• We do not alter quotations, even to correct grammatical errors or word usage.

• Quotes from one language to another must be translated faithfully.

AP Stylebook (2010). --Dervorguilla (talk) 05:22, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Below is my translation of some passages in Belitsky's statement on Ukrainian Social-Nationalism; they may or may not be important to the article.

From the mass of individuals must arise the nation; and from weak modern man, Superman...

The historic mission of our Nation ... is to head and lead the White peoples of the world in the last crusade for their existence: a campaign against Semite-led subhumanity... The task of the present generation is to create a Third Empire – Great Ukraine... If we are strong, we take what is ours by right and even more, we will build a superpower empire...

Is this translation reasonably accurate and precise? Is the material significant or consequential? If so, I think we could add at least some of it to the 'Ideology' section. --Dervorguilla (talk) 07:23, 16 September 2014 (UTC) 00:09, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes it is precise, and i think it is significant to this article and to Social-National AssemblyCathry (talk) 09:13, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Which of these two interpretations would be more accurate, Cathry?

A. If we are strong, we take what is ours by right and even more; and we will build a superpower empire.

or

B. If we are strong, we take what is ours by right; and we will do even more: we will build a superpower empire. --Dervorguilla (talk) 10:41, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

"A" variant. Cathry (talk) 14:38, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Dervorguilla, if you don't believe that a journalist for a respected publication is "telling the truth" or something like that, you need to take your concerns to the reliable source noticeboard. -Darouet (talk) 16:25, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Also, the terms "untermensch" and "untermenschen" (pl.) are both recognized in English as Nazi descriptors of supposedly inferior people. According to the Oxford English Dictionary (OED), "Esp. with reference to the Nazi régime (1933–45): a racially inferior person, a sub-human person." The OED gives multiple examples of the terms' use in English, e.g. "To the Germans, Lithuanians were Untermenschen, a second-class people to be exploited and, when politically expedient, enslaved." -Darouet (talk) 16:30, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for trying to help, Darouet. But do you mean to use the Oxford English Dictionary as a source for supporting the statement that the Ukrainian word nedolyudstva (singular) should be translated as the English word "Untermenschen" (plural)?

Granted, there is no Oxford Ukrainian Dictionary; and neither the Ukrainian Practical Dictionary nor the Oxford Russian Dictionary lists nedolyudstva or its cognate nedolyudskaya as a Ukrainian or Russian word. But the ORD does list nedochelovek, which it translates as "subhuman" (sing.); and the UPD lists lyudstvo, which it translates as "humanity" (sing.). The evience suggests that nedolyudstva should be translated as "subhumanity".

Do you think that Parfitt is a reliable source for the statement that nedolyudstva (sing.) should be translated as "Untermenschen" (pl.)? You can post the question at RSN yourself, but I'd ask you to first study WP:CONTEXTMATTERS ("Each source must be carefully weighed to judge whether it is reliable for the statement being made.") and WP:RSN ("Many sources are reliable for statement 'X', but unreliable for statement 'Y'."). --Dervorguilla (talk) 08:30, 18 September 2014 (UTC) 00:35, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Quotation tagged as {Failed verification|reason=Wording altered} and {Disputed|for=mistranslation}. --Dervorguilla (talk) 08:34, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Dervorguilla, your argument is an exercise in original research: you don't like Parfitt's published translation, and earlier argued that "untermenschen" isn't a word used in the English language (it is). Now you're simply arguing that your own translation is superior to that of Parfitt and The Telegraph. In any event your statements above only tend to corroborate the professional translation. -Darouet (talk) 17:14, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

The Ukrainian term lyudstva means "humanity" or "humanities", Darouet. Ukrainian Practical Dictionary (1991). The coined Ukrainian term nedolyudstva can be faithfully translated as "subhumanity" or "subhumanities". Parfitt mistranslates it as "Untermenschen". "Untermenschen" means "subhuman persons." The Ukrainian term for "subhuman persons" would be nedolyudyna, not nedolyudstva. --Dervorguilla (talk) 04:10, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Dervorguilla - well I'm not sure what we should do in this case. If you don't want to take it to RSN, then maybe I should. The problem is, you may be right about the translation, but the terms "subhumanity" and "untermenschen" are similar, and it's hard to figure out a basis on which to challenge the translation. I'm actually curious about what RSN might propose. -Darouet (talk) 00:50, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

RSN good to me, Darouet. The question I'd ask is whether Parfitt is reliable for the statement that nedolyudstva means "Untermenschen".

(We could also ask whether pokhid means "crusade" rather than "campaign" in this context. And there is a real difference in meaning. But here the Parfitt translation is in accord with some dictionary translations, so in any case we'd end up using either the Parfitt translation or both.)

Meanwhile I'm adding some material that gives more context. Perhaps we may not even need to ask at RSN. --Dervorguilla (talk) 04:14, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Salary

Why does a "volunteer" Battalion's members get a salary from the ministry of internal affairs? Isn't that almost the definition of "professional" instead?B01010100 (talk) 21:26, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

1. ^ http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/06/24/reinforcements-for-azov/

"volunteer. 1a. One who enters into military service voluntarily but who is then subject to discipline and regulations like other soldiers — opposed to conscript." --Dervorguilla (talk) 22:08, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

So a professional soldier? Checking other articles of professional armies it seems that the word volunteer is not commonly used to describe these soldiers. Perhaps we should clarify its use here? B01010100 (talk) 22:20, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

We wouldn't want anyone to think that the use of the word volunteer here is meant as opposite to paid employee or something.B01010100 (talk) 22:29, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Article is wildly incorrect

It is very clear that this article has been edited and maintained by elements working for the Kremlin. Many of the assertions are bizarre and completely unsupportable. Unclear how this has been tolerated by wikipedia mods. Look at the IP addresses.

Unsubstantiated assertion

"much of what Azov members say about race and nationalism is strikingly similar to the views of the more radical Russian nationalists fighting with the separatist side." is an assertion from an article by Shaun Walker of The Guardian. Reading the article reveals it to be completely unsubstantiated. It appears that Mr. Walker sees his opinion that Igor Stelkov sees himself as a Czarist general because of his interest in the Imperial Russian Army as a substantiating argument. It isn't. It's like saying that interest in the Eastern Front of WWII is a sign of Stalinism. If the article is going to report Mr. Walker's opinion, it needs to be clear that it is his opinion and only his opinion.

Shaun Walker is one source that needs to be vetted very carefully, since he promoted the "weapons of mass destruction" falsehood in the runup to the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

75.111.20.66 (talk) 06:48, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Defected FSB lieutenant is FAKE

Two sources provided, both from Ukrainian mass media and are barely reliable. The only proof presented is picture of his ID with information hand written in it. Real FSB ID looks different and have all info printed on it, not hand written.

Try to find any info about this "FSB lieutenant" in any serious Western mass media.

Ylia Bogdanov's story is a FAKE which was already busted many times and should be removed from an article. Arcpeter (talk) 02:24, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Volunteering

How long do they volunteer for? Is there a contract? Ledboots (talk) 01:12, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Azov Regiment

Azov battalion has been reorganized into the "Azov Regiment of the Ukrainian National Guard." Most Russian and Ukrainian media now refer to it as "Azov Regiment" and not "Azov Battalion." Should the title of the article change from Azov Battalion to Azov Regiment?Koonter (talk) 21:05, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

What's the difference between a battalion and a regiment? 69.142.222.250 (talk) 05:26, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Regiment is made up of several battalions. Usually the military structure goes team headed by a corporal or a sergeant, 2-3 teams make a squad headed by a staff sergeant, ~4 squads make a platoon headed by a lieutenant, ~4 platoons make a company which is headed by a captain, ~4 companies make a battalion headed by a lt. colonel, ~2 battalions make a regiment headed by a colonel, ~4 regiments make a division, headed by a major general, ~2 divisions make a corps, headed by a general, and ~2 corps make an army.Koonter (talk) 18:32, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Moreover, the unit now is part of the Ukrainian regular formations of the National Guard and not a volunteer. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 00:05, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Claimed Jewish member

The sourced USA Today article only establishes that a Jewish trainer "for the Ukraine's military" taught a group of Azov Battalion members for two weeks. Can a source for Jewish members be found, or should the claim be reworded or removed? 220.233.40.161 (talk) 13:34, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction. -Darouet (talk) 15:55, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

This article also makes the false claim that the Battalion is funded by Jewish oligarch Ihor Kolomysky. An interview with its Commander falsifies this claim:

Lyashko and Kolomoysky never helped Battalion "Azov" - Commander

MP Oleg Lyashko never helped battalion, regiment and now "Azov". This, answering users' questions during online konferenntsiyi Online TSN.ua , said the regimental commander Andrey Beletsky. "MP Lyashko, Kolomoysky Akhmetov, the CIA and" Mossad "never helped battalion" Azov ". These are characters who battalion - a minimum of material assistance - not involved, "- said Beletsky. Also commander denied involvement in the creation Lyashko battalion.

TheDJW001 (talk) 12:38, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi TheDJW001, this is a different article you're talking about now, and the contention was never that newsweek or USA Today printed false material; rather, that the material was being cited here incorrectly. I can't evaluate the reliability of pohlyad.com by the way. -Darouet (talk) 14:18, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

References

1. http://www.pohlyad.com/news/n/62045

Regiment or Battalion

As has already been noted above, it seems that the Azov Battalion has become part of a larger entity. Essentially, this means that the article needs to be moved, plus that the content be reorganised to reflect the nature of the history of the formation as a volunteer battalion to current information as to whether/how this expansion has impacted on prior right-wing ideologies. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:15, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Do the Azov neo-nazis still report to the Ukriainian Ministry of Internal Affairs?

Has the Ukrainian Government finally dropped the Azov Battalion, or Regiment, after John Conyers brought the House to ban giving them money (I am oh so very proud of our John Coyers, finally someone said something!!)? --Mondschein English (talk) 22:14, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

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