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Manu Smriti

Hello. Please try to clean the page and make it encyclopedic in the true sense. If you can do it, you shall be doing some thing really great. I tried - it is really difficult task. Thanks. --Bhadani 15:13, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Religious identity issues

Hi Netaji - I ask you to refrain from provoking the discussion of religion and identity politics across different articles. Yes many of the points you have are valid for discussion, but on WP one requires to strictly adhere to the business of building an encyclopedia. Your views and those of others should not take up the time and energy devoted to building an encyclopedia. If you want to discuss religion and other stuff with others, e-mail them or join chat groups, blogs, etc. Too many of your comments are loaded with the same POV stuff.

If you are so interested in religion, you should focus on writing and building articles based on credible sources. You seem insistent on driving home the point with other users that Sikhs are Hindus on Talk:Hinduism and Sikh Panth - focus instead of gathering credible references that will give you facts and credible information to add to the article. Expand knowledge, so we may all learn from one another. This Fire Burns Always 16:16, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

That takes time. I got a copy of the Guru Granth from the library and am reading it to drive my point home. I have other crap to do too you know...Netaji 18:05, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

If you do have other "crap" to do, perhaps you'd reduce the posting of POV-pushing statements across different articles? This Fire Burns Always 19:35, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I was being melodramatic. Don't take it personally. I'm working as hard as I can.Netaji 19:45, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm very pleased to hear that. If you need help on anything, lemme know. This Fire Burns Always 19:47, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Petty warning

Are you trying to block me because I tried to revert your chauvinistic edits to the Sena article? Quit so soon? --Wikindian 02:58, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I ain't goin' nowhere pilgrim.Netaji 05:08, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, I am not trying to revert your edits due to vandalism. I think that your edits are sickening, and baseless. Why are you poisoning so many articles on Misplaced Pages? Stop your parasitic propoganda right now, and leave this website alone, join the Sena if you want to campaign for them. The way your are using Misplaced Pages is truly disgusting. --Wikindian 16:01, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

And you are engaging in a campaign of defamation and consistently violating NPOV to further your own agenda. Nothing is more disgusting than a self-hating Hindu.Netaji 16:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

bogus tags

Hello Subhash. Please desist from adding bogus vandalism tags to other's talk pages, it is an implicit personal attack.Blnguyen | rant-line 03:51, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

It is not bogus. He was about to start a revert war.Netaji 05:07, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Hindu Unity

You might want to keep that on your watch list. The pak will come back and try to edit it.--D-Boy 06:28, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Also, you might want to cool down just a bit. Not everyone here is anti-hindu. Rama's Arrow is pretty cool and has contributed a lot to hinduism articles.--D-Boy 06:29, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll watch the HU article.Netaji 06:31, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

You might want to watch Bajrang Dal. The pak made some edits. Heck, watch the whole Hindutva category.--D-Boy 10:24, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I have. Sleepy time for me now...Netaji 10:33, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Both, I have serious objections to your using the abusive slang Pak to refer to other users whose views you dont agree to.You have been getting chances to improve your behaviour but it seems the problem is fundamental.

Lkadvani 21:25, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Slang? Pak is short for Pakistani. Just like Turk for Turkish and Viet for VietnameseBakaman%% 03:36, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Bajrang Dal

First of all, remember to obey rules and sign your name when you make comments on my talk page. Secondly, if you're posting allegations of hateful statements by the Pope, Pat Robertson, or whoever, you had BETTER cite them. Otherwise, you're lowering the standard of this website from an encyclopedia to a website that's involved in smear campaigns against popular people.

Also, just because you cannot come up with concrete arguments based on tangible facts does not give you the authority to simply use the garbage-can term of 'vandalism'; if it's unclear, Misplaced Pages actually categorizes people who post non-cited propaganda as vandalism; not people who try to stick to the facts. --Disinterested 17:30, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I find it amusing that you defend a racist evangelical Southern Baptist theocrat nutjob like Pat Robertson. Do you know what this man has to say about Islam? See his website. He calls it a 'Demonic faith of terrorists' and insults muslims as 'unholy minions of Satan' (his own words). Think twice before writing a paean to such a man. Plus, the Catholic Pope has often demanded that all muslims abandon the 'false ways of the Koran' and 'embrace Jesus' or face 'eternal perdition'. I believe some muslims regard him as one of Islam's greatest enemies...Netaji 10:16, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment

Subhash , I am very disappointed. I had made a few changes to 2002 Gujarat Violence a couple of days ago, but did not notice that the tabbed browsing o in Misplaced Pages with firefox was working again. There is a standard, accepted response if another editor notices this, which is to reintroduce the deleted portions of the end of the page, but I notice you chosed to revert and then slapped a vandal note on my userpage. You should know by now that I dont make edits which arent carefully thought out, even if you dont always agree with Unless you change your attitude as I suggested, in my long, long, letters that you immediately archived, you will alienate everyone here. Hornplease

"Interesting" Users (ie 'the pak')

Wikindian: Ringleader

Hornplease

Lkadvani

Disinterested

Haphar

Anwar_saadat(blocked for a month)

WikiSceptic(not so active)

Warning

If you refer me as a terrorist-lover one more time, I will try to block you. I am forgiving you one more time, even though I should not.--Wikindian 21:48, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Uncivil?

Subhash,
There is a difference between calling someone chauvinist and calling someone a terrorist-lover. I am not exaggerating nor trying to demonize you. So, it is YOU who should pay heed to the warning. --Wikindian 21:55, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Veiled epithets? I don't remember even one of them. Your honesty is nothing but branding others as terrorist-lovers, when they are not. That becomes defamation, so, be warned, unless you want to be blocked for a day or may be for a week. --Wikindian 22:05, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

just ease up a little bit

Dude, just try to calm down a little bit when interacting with others. There's no point in getting banned. Others users will use your anger to get you banned. Not everyone is anti-hindu.--D-Boy 03:59, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

No, but Wikindian clearly seems to be. He should be watched very closely...Netaji 05:13, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Blatant attacks and HARASSMENT by you

I am EXTREMELY OFFENDED by your comment: "your Osama." I am warning you that this is not your private lounge where you can say whatever to whomever. Personal attacks such as this will be reported and you will be kicked out very soon.

It seems to me that you are acting in an uncivil manner. Please remain civil and don't resort to making personal attacks or instigate edit wars.

Also, DO NOT REMOVE CITED MATERIAL.

--Disinterested 08:53, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

This user DELETED my comments from his talk page which is illegal. --Disinterested 11:03, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Look who's talking

After you called me an anti semite and Osama's fan, said "what's the f'ing problem", and Osama's fan, you are finding someone insulting ? I just used the same tone as you did, so if you find that insulting please look at your own tone. Haphar 13:26, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

You are an anti-semite. You have used an anti-semitic canard of the mythical 'Jewish Lobby'. That is the perfect example of anti-semitism. Might as well start quoting from the 'Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion' or something from David Duke's books. There is a category in wikipedia for anti-semitic people.Netaji 18:51, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

You are anti India for calling India a "stinkhole". You are also anti Islam .calling it names here and here.

Anti Jewish lobby is a report published in the west which I quoted . It's not just my claim. Also saying that a "Jewish Lobby " is at work in the U.S might be labelled as anti semetism in the U.S, but fortunately Misplaced Pages is not the U.S.A. . Many countries lobby in the U.S, pointing it out does not make one against the nation. But then name calling is easier to do than giving logic. Haphar 19:11, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is located in USA, and you are an anti-semite. There is an Israeli lobby, but it is minor at best and has littel influence. USA supports Israel because it is in their best interests to support the one true democracy in the middle east, versus all the tin-pot Islamofascist theocracies who should be bombed. I am more pro-India than you. I have every right to criticize India for electing the most useless government in human history like the UPA into power. Speaking the truth about the 'Religion of Peace' makes me anti-Islam, then ok. I am sick of political correctedness and the truth needs to be known.Netaji 19:21, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

So your calling Islam a religion of rapists killers and bombers is speaking the truth. And to say there is a Jewish lobby as well as Isreal is doing wrong to Palestine is anti semitism ? Let me repeat myself here, you might resort to name calling when a POV differs from yours or when you do not have logic, I still prefer logic as the first line. One can "talk" of a Jewish lobby ( or a Hindu or an Indian or a Pakistani lobby) and not be anti the country or the religion. Specially when there has been a paper written on the subject One can be against a policy of a country and not be against that country or it's main religion. If you are pro India then display it not by moving to Austin. Take the new flag sing it's praises ( already happening) and let go of the "stinkhole" as you called it. If this is pro India then no thank you, ndia does not need such "pro" Indians. A person calling his country names is anti the country more than a persson referrng to lobbies or policies Haphar 20:23, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

The fact that India is one of the poorest countries in the world is not an insult, but a fact. Because of you negationists and your UPA government and their vote bank politics and 5-year plans, we have been dragged through the mud. Sometimes, it is necessary for a well-wisher of India to belt you people to your senses. The Mearshimer and Walt papers has been thoroughly discredited as an anti-semitic lie, and anyone who touts the mythical "Jewish Lobby" to advance an agenda is an anti-semite by definition.

Your screed attacking my patriotism is pretty dumb. I am in a foreign country, but I am deeply devoted to India and have donated sizable sums of money to charities like IDRF and others. The fact is that unless India becomes a Hindu Rashtra, we will never develop. We will be partitioned further, with UP, Maharashtra, Gujarat, Jammu, Rajasthan,Haryana and others separated as a Hindu Rashtra. With that, the rest of the left-leaning beggars in Bengal, Orissa and the Southern States will lose the most economically advanced states in the country and will be global pariahs like Cuba or North Korea, while slowly degenerating into Islamic theocracies like Iran or Saudi Arabia (without any oil to sustain your economy, you will form the poorest muslim country in the world, millions will starve to death while mullahs and muslim drug lords rake in the money). Hindus will be ethnically cleansed from there and migrate to the HR, Pakistan will bomb Punjab back to the stone age with Nuclear warheads and we will be able to do nothing to stop them. The Indian Subcontinent will become like the middle east is today. THAT is the direction that you people are taking us towards. Until you stop, India will remain a stinkhole, and thus it is only right to point out that India is a stinkhole. First, get your act together like Israel has done, then talk.Netaji 20:44, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah right, and the most intelligent analysis was at work in calling me anti semitic and Osama's pal. We have been dragged through mud a million times in the last 1000 years and divisionists have caused it more than anyone else, So go ahead and divide and watch the one's you fear laugh all the way to the bank. West Bengal is incidentally doing a better job of attracting FDI and new projects than most Indian states including the progressive right wing Madhya Pradesh and Rajasthan who cannot get over Gaushala's and temples to look at economics. The south incidentally is growing more than Maharashtra is at the moment. A.P , Karnataka and Tamil Nadu are fast emerging as a preferred location for business.

Your scenario is at least original. I will refrain from saying more as it is hard to take this as a serious attempt to point at a future danger. In all this you did not factor in China at all. A serious rational attempt would have had all aspects covered, China would gobble the North East and get access to the Bay of Bengal. Incidentally if the Hindu Rashtra pipe is not smoked ( and all the Sadhu's in akhara's smoke it so let's not talk of liberals here) then this division stops right ? So it's in your hand to stop this "scenario" from playing out, desist and the nation remains as it is. Someone needs to belt you to your senses too. For you yourself spelled it out how your path would lead to a split and still you continue down the path .

Nuke's in Punjab- Naah- no industry, hardly impacts anyone and nuclear fallout in Pakistan ( too close to the border see) NCR is target no 1, 2 and 3, and maybe Bombay 4th. Take out one you take out the govt, the defence hq, take out the other and you take out most of India's tax revenues. And you repeatedly call your country names, desist. The stinkhole gave you a degree that got you where you sit today. Haphar 21:18, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

No INDUSTRY???? Punjab practically feeds the whole of India! It is one of the few places where, thanks to the Sikhs, muslims were unable to vandalize much. Punjab has the most arable land in India. If the paapistanis nuke Punjab both India and Pakistan are scrwed (from fallout+no food). However, the muslims are not known to follow logic when the dicta of their holy koran are concerned, which tells them to slaughter all infidels.

The stinkhole did not give me a degree. I earned it fair and square. The stinkhole gives unmeritorious degrees to Dalit Christians who enter through quotas.

My path may lead to a cultural split, not a territorial one. A split where the muslim can go form a mini-Iran in Pakistan if they want. China will not attack India coz Chinese are more reasonable and have their own problems to deal with in Tibet and Xingyang. Chinese just engage in saber-rattling now. They may supply arms to Paapistan, but, ina crunch, they will back USA coz they are more interested in cultivating better relations with the most powerful country in the world than some mullah infested collections of mud huts. Right now, they are merely trying to counterbalance. I don't see China as a serious threat militarily (maybe economically).They want economic development. Paapistanis hate us and want to destroy us. They are not 'rational' per se. Big difference. Plus, Taiwan is watching China closely.

One thing though. If you look at the map of the subcontinent, you will see that Paapistan will cause severe damage to India in a nuclear blast, but Indian nuclear retaliation will completely annihiliate their country. One high-kiloton explosion in Balochistan or Sindh in the right time of year and radioactive residue will spread all the way to NWFP by winds, causing massive epidemic of radiation sickness and cancer. We can defend oursleves if we remain territorially unified. Ever heard of KALI (Kilo-Ampere Linear Injector)?Netaji 00:05, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Reporting you

Neta, I am reporting you to an administrator for getting you blocked for your most recent post. --Wikindian 16:32, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

You might be blocked in future

I have reported you. --Wikindian 16:42, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

And I have reported you.Netaji 23:51, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Nice try

Nice try on the Gujrat page, no one is saying "biased" just mentioning the name of the author and the website where the claim is made and the fact that on the link given there is just the accusation given and no proof. So none of all this is unsubstantiated, or are you saying that Koenraad has not written this ? The website does not have voice of dharma in it's id ? Or that there is proof on the link given ? I am presenting the full facts, whereas the current write up hides some info. I am sure I can get someone else to make the change. Haphar 21:27, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

That is all original research (yours). Until you have third parties confirming it, your opinion is irrelevant.Netaji 21:58, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

By your own logic then your claim that the link is not Koenraad Elst writing on a site called voice of dharma is also original research ? So get third parteis to confirm it is not Koenraad Elst writing on voice of dharma and we would remove your attempt to fool readers. Haphar 15:24, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

You're not even making any sense now. Resorting to incoherent temper-tantrums.Netaji 19:12, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

One has to have some to see some. There is nothing in the text above that gives even the hint of temper or tantrum. Incoherence could be in the mind of the reader .

If we have to go into "sense" then the part you deleted was my mentioning that Teesta's conversion to Islam is "written by Koenraad Elst on a website called voice of dharma " That is obvious if one looks at the link given. You deleted it and said ""That is all original research (yours). Until you have third parties confirming it, your opinion is irrelevant. Looks like you are down to reverting / deleting without even reading what the other has written. Now your lack of sense makes sense. Haphar 19:30, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

You wrote more than that. You made accusations that you could not back up. You know it, I know it. Plus, there are several people (other than your malik/sockpuppetmaster wikindian) watching this article now, so any monkey business will be handled.Netaji 19:32, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Haphar should be blocked. That was a personal attack. Bakaman%% 19:36, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Can't eat the cake too

Yes, already know that you especially relish sewer-quality language. But you will either have to choose between sewer-quality language, or cyanide-quality propoganda. Yes, I understand your pain, but you can't have both. Sorry. --Wikindian 14:28, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Self Hatred

Why accusing me of being anti a lot of things not only do you call India, you country of birth a stinkhole, you being of Bengali origin do not leave your state either. To quote you "Maharashtra and Gujarat are the most prosperous states in India (run by the right) where left-wing beggars from Calcutta come bowl in hand for jobs". You might have moved to Mumbai ( and now to the U.S.A) for economic or whatever reasons but that does not give you the right to label an entire community as beggars. You cannot genralise based on what you went through. No original research please. And incidentally the NCP is in power in Maharashtra, along with the "Congress", filled with defectors from the Shiv Sena no doubt but still a "Congress" government. But then what is this inconvenient thing called facts or logic. Let's just wave it all away with a " I heard it on the radio" or tv- CSpan itself. Haphar 20:01, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I am a Mumbaikar, born and bred. I am Bengali by ethnicity. W.B. is a communist hovel. "Progress"? HAH! What progress when BB's government of communist bandits cause more blackouts per day than Uganda, and Jyoti Basu spent decades wiping that forest between his posterior cheeks with ballot paper and defrauded elections through thuggery and intimidation tactics? There are more spurious strikes and work stoppages in WB per hour than any other state. WB has no future. It is destined to be a stinkhole within a bigger stinkhole as long as it's being run by the left. Gujarat is the economic powerhouse of India. Gujaratis manage every major business and every major industry in Mumbai, and successfully too. "But then what is this inconvenient thing called facts or logic" to YOU?

I call India a stinkhole because it IS one. Patriotism is different from parochialism. I have every right to do so in a democracy. The jury's still out on NCP, which, as you have admitted, contains many SS members. Let's see if they can make as many infrastructural improvements as BJP-SS did, then talk. Personally I doubt it. Congress is the most useless political ideology in history, and is the most corrupt party bloc in Indian history. They'll probably just engage in vote bank politics and other crap, even when muslims blow up our trains and their extortion gangs attack Hindus on the streets. We need a DECISIVE party to make DECISIONS.Netaji 21:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

While I do think that this is an interesting discussion, it does not belong to this talk page.--Wikindian 01:38, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Hinduism in India

Maybe you might want to take a look at that? Maybe have it concentrate on the legal/cultural position of Hinduism within the political frontiers of India since 1947.--D-Boy 20:27, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I'm looking into it.Netaji 21:40, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Thank you very much

No problem, just stepping in before it goes too far. — FireFox _{12:21, 28 July '06}

Languages

Hi There! Can you translate my name in what language you know please, and then post it Here. I would be very grateful if you do (if you know another language apart from English and the ones on my userpage please feel free to post it on) P.S. all th translations are in alpahbetical order so when you add one please put it in alpahbetical order according to the language. Pass this on! Thanks!!! Abdullah Geelah 19:02, 29 July 2006 (UTC)