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You know what they say

Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand. Tarc (talk) 02:51, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

hi im scott Scpop (talk) 22:41, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of The Reformation (band) for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article The Reformation (band) is suitable for inclusion in Misplaced Pages according to Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/The Reformation (band) (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 20:03, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Some falafel for you!

hi Scpop (talk) 22:42, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Tarc!

A blog entry that I wrote has gotten more than 300,000 views.

It's called "Here are 1,000 well sourced examples of Obama’s lying, lawbreaking, corruption, cronyism, hypocrisy, waste, etc."

It's at http://tinyurl dot com/ku9vxug

Grundle2600

71.182.239.207 (talk) 15:08, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Oh, Grundle. Rather than griping day in and day out, y'know what would be the best strategy for conservatives who do not like Obama's policies? Try appealing to a demographic wider than whites in flyover country and maybe win a presidential election. :) Tarc (talk) 16:12, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm a libertarian, not a conservative. 71.182.239.207 (talk) 20:18, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Libertarians are just indecisive conservatives. Tarc (talk) 20:53, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Well, if you toss out the religious right ... but then I'd fear you'd toss out most conservatives, alas. Ravensfire (talk) 20:57, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Statement moved from your user page

Tark... the comment was not a troll but a comment on the political machinations at the core of Misplaced Pages. It was art. I understand why you removed it. Of course you did. But let's not kid ourselves as to the reasons why, eh?Theduinoelegy (talk) 16:58, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

There's a line between a Banksy and a guy who just spray-paints stuff on walls; you're the latter. Tarc (talk) 20:02, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

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A link to a policy was helpful.
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trigger warnings 16:36, 13 March 2015 (UTC) That last updated signature was snafued. DearODear 16:39, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Request for comment

There's a request for comment opened on the "Involuntary Celibacy" article, with the same editor trying to restore it as the one who tried to do so previously with the latest Deletion Review. I thought you might be interested in this because of your previous involvement in the subject. I noticed the editor only sent a reminder of the newly opened request for comment to editors who previously voted "keep" on the article, so I decided to inform a few of those who brought forward opposing views to keep things a little interesting. I hope the debate can finally be closed once and for all, it's been dragged on long enough now IMO. Mythic Writerlord (talk) 20:33, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

No offense intended

The idea of a dozen editors piling out of a clown car made me giggle uncontrollably, and I though we could all use some levity. Feel free to refactor as you see fit. Rhoark (talk) 15:41, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Voluntary celibacy

I went for the RfD but I am not very familiar with the process I'm afraid. I'd just like to see it gone, since the editor created it against consensus just to prove a point a pave the way for a redirect of involuntary celibacy to the celibacy article. The aggression of the people supporting its inclusion is very troubling, but I am glad there are people like you who keep a watchful eye. Mythic Writerlord (talk) 14:57, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Redirects are tough to get rid of, as the bar for inclusion is very, very low. Basically all a supporter has to show that it is a) not offensive and b) potentially useful for an average reader to utilize. Tarc (talk) 15:04, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Mythic Writerlord, if you want to pursue this, then the sane steps to start a deletion discussion are:

1. Turn on WP:Twinkle in your preferences.
2. Choose "XFD" from the new "TW" menu (next to History).
3. Select the RFD item from the pop-up menu and fill in the form.

However, Tarc is right: it's a losing fight. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:16, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

In case of interest

Misplaced Pages:Disinfoboxes: a refutation --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:46, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Interesting, can't say that I've seen counter-essays before. Has Dueling Banjos entered into the public domain yet? We could upload an ogg of it to each to play for the readers. Tarc (talk) 17:53, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Don't know, sorry. I know that the refutation is mentioned here, under see also --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:15, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

HRC

Given that editors are drawing up a massive (fallacious) RM, I imagine that it might be useful for the "opposition" to draw up a similar document. It is best to be prepared. As one of the staunch opponents of last year's proposal, what do you think of this idea? RGloucester — ☎ 18:49, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm probably not motivated enough myself to write up anything major...also be wise to keep a low profile if this nonsense ever winds up at Arbcom the other day, i'm already their Public Enemy...but yea, sounds good. What needs to be hammered home is that they just can't pick the same fight every 9-10 months; the previous RMs have to be seen as precedent, and the bar for this one should be to show significant change since the last RM. Not just starting anew with bla bla headline counts and bla bla google fights. Tarc (talk) 23:44, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

To be frank, there needs to be an organised opposition. There is an organised and fallacious movement to change the title, and there should be one to maintain it. I do not have the resources, at the present moment, to be anything more than a copyeditor of such a document. One must me produced, however. RGloucester — ☎ 01:09, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Well, that's the wiki-world we live in; we toil away as volunteers here and there while Jimmy-boy yachts around with Euro dignitaries. Tarc (talk) 13:56, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Hasn't one been done before somewhere in one of the previous RMs? Surely.....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:21, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Ther's a lot of material to sift through, particularly on the last one. Tarc (talk) 15:46, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Jr. comma RfC

You're invited to participate in the discussion at Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(policy)#RfC:_Guidance_on_commas_before_Jr._and_Sr. Dohn joe (talk) 02:18, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject Hillary Rodham Clinton

Template:WikiProject Hillary Rodham Clinton invitation Thanks for your consideration, and please note that joining this project is in no way an endorsement of HRC or her political positions. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:49, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Please try to agf

GregKaye 14:51, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm trying to assume competence at this point, I'm afraid. "Women who notably have used a name that references surnames from both sides of their marriage/relationship" ? It's just...mind-numbing to even read that in a sentence. Tarc (talk) 14:55, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

And I appreciate any such effort. Everything I have presented at Talk:Hillary Rodham Clinton has been totally adherent to WP:PG. Even in regard to the specific criticism it would be have been kinder to write ".. on this point" unless you think that there have been other issues that you have come across ... or were you writing just to make a point?

My long winded category title came in response to/support of yet another RM: Kaley Cuoco → Kaley Cuoco-Sweeting in which a individuals chosen and consistently used choice of name is not being accepted in Misplaced Pages even thought there are no signs of the individual having any diminishing success. If you have a problem with an editors practice then present that. Please drop the barbed remarks. GregKaye 06:25, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Greg, we need an essay called, frankly, WP:WHOGIVESAFUCK. It's bad enough that this project is plagued with topic wars; Israel-Palestine, abortion, climate change, Scientology and the like. But this stuff is absurd, it is inter-wiki nerd-sniping, internal warfare over technicalities. Do you know that there's been Arbitration cases and people blocked/banned over using hyphens vs. dashes? Or accented characters vs. plain? There have been WP:MOS wars for years over that and other stuff, and this is really no different. Hillary Clinton and Hillary Rodham Clinton take the reader to the Same. Damn. Place. For the love of Jesus, Buddha, L Ron Hubbard and the Flying Spaghetti Monster, stop and consider how many bytes you've wasted over this, and how many more a RM is going to waste. THINK, for a moment. Tarc (talk) 12:29, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)The very examples you've presented is the reason that any attempt to reason with the RM crowd isn't going to work. It doesn't matter to them that both names take you to the same place, or that it's the subjects preferred address. It's all some nefarious, feminist, American, (insert other descriptor) plot. Dave Dial (talk) 13:12, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Invitation to join the Ten Year Society

Dear Tarc,

I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Ten Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Misplaced Pages project for ten years or more.

Best regards, Liz 16:38, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Why You Delete My Links?

Dear, You remove some links from Misplaced Pages. Why? Is there any reason or mistake i make. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mousumimolla (talk • contribs) 04:12, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

You are not allowed to link to copyrighted material. None of those authors' books are free, Tarc (talk) 04:15, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Random observations on AfDs, DRVs and other such discussions

I appreciated your comments at the Nim DRV, especially as I could so clearly identify with your frustration. I've observed three common behaviors among admins closing these discussions. The more contentious and hotly debated over specific points, the more likely it'll be closed in a sort of drive-by fashion and less likely the closing remarks will explain how the decision was arrived at except apparently by counting !votes. The more it turns on what the guidelines ask, the less likely it will be closed by anyone displaying much concern for the guidelines or even, sometimes, any evidence they know what's in them. Finally, if either of these conditions is true, it's also more likely the admin will flatly refuse to discuss their close, much less revise any part of it.

I guess what surprises me is that people would want to do this job if that's how they plan on doing it. Wouldn't be me. Wouldn't be you, either. Msnicki (talk) 16:31, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

The Nim thing? Yea, reading it now, that was pretty weak. But DRV does have a rather high bar to overturn things, esp overturn to delete. The upside is that the article could be nominated again at anytime given that it was also "NC". Maybe round 2 would see less of a fanboy "keep I like it" brigade. Tarc (talk) 03:06, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

I was surprised the admin closing the DRV was so completely unwilling to strike or even discuss the obviously false claim that there was an agreement on sources. Msnicki (talk) 05:46, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

A request

After commenting on the discussion at WT:RM today it occurred to me that I know the process okay, but don't have a wealth of experience. Would you mind if I tag along with you on some RMs and ask some frank questions about why and why not? BusterD (talk) 17:20, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

I haven't really been involved in move requests a whole lot, the two main discussions I've been to are Sarah Jane Brown and Hillary Rodham Clinton (still pending), as I had arrived at each article for other reasons. It may be something worth diving into though, as I have been surprised to see how much of a walled garden some editors have built for themselves over there. Tarc (talk) 17:54, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

I agree. Who would you ask if you had your choice? Mike Cline? One of my oldest wikifriends once suggested Mike would be a good person to learn from. If you wanted to do something like this together, I would find your company useful. You and I don't always agree, and I often find the perspective of someone with whom I don't agree an illuminating influence. BusterD (talk) 21:08, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

I can never make promises of sustained participation in any one area anymore, my editing kinda waxes and wanes of late, but I'll swing by and see whatever you get into, sure. Cline rings a bell as one of the saner voices around here so that'd be a good direction. Tarc (talk) 03:05, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Hillary Clinton

There are cases where a new portrait photo is better, and necessary. She is out of office now, but she is also running for a new office. Fact is, we could keep Jeb Bush's official portrait, or we could place the new one there so people can see the person in 2015. Now, Bill Clinton is one thing. But in this case, Hillary is a candidate for office, and a recent picture is highly beneficial for the reader. With all due respect to her, Secretary Clinton has aged significantly, and gained weight. Compared to her current appearance, the 2009 portrait hardly looks like her. That portrait is 6.5 years old, almost 7 years old. Current events and current persons of interest should look like they do in the present-day. Spartan7W § 03:40, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

File:Laura Bush portrait.jpg is ~10 years old. Political figures are not pop culture icons; with their bios, we should aim for more of an air of professionalism rather than "Where Are They Now?" images. Tarc (talk) 13:02, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Also, the obsession with weight gain and aging in the comments is particularly offensive. Just saying. Tvoz/talk 20:38, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

This is only the tip of silly season, already have one single-purpose account forcing slanted material into the Emailgate article today. It will get worse the further into election season we get. Tarc (talk) 23:29, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Sigh, Yeah, I remember. Tvoz/talk 06:08, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Talk page

I'm aware. He responded to a warning by calling me a troll. My choices were to post another message to his talk page letting him know the warning no longer applied and I was reporting him now, or to just revert it and leave an edit summary stating that. I chose the latter. If Misplaced Pages had better communication tools, I could have done it differently. I had no intention of edit warring and I knew I'd be reverted. Thank you for your concern. Handpolk (talk) 17:54, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I saw. His response was spot on. Tarc (talk) 18:11, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

I did not make the connection or recognize you. Now I understand your tone on boomerang. Handpolk (talk) 14:44, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

As a wise man once said, "yippee ki-yay, motherfucker." Tarc (talk) 18:07, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Transracial

BlueSalix (talk) 20:35, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Hey, hey...

RE: . TAKE MY NAME... oh. Continue. Hipocrite (talk) 16:29, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

I see what you did there. Tarc (talk) 16:54, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Jason Adelman

Tarc, i never said this was for PR goals but i am trying to show you the comments you made are incorrect so tell me what else I can show you. You mentioned I'm 10-20th billed. That's incorrect on most of my projects: Daniel powter Bad Day which has 45 million views I'm first billed. American Dreams, a hit NBC show I was on several episodes as a recurring guest star and the main characters best friend. talisman I'm top 3 billed. I ask am top 5-8 billed in multiple shows and movies that had good success: Talisman, Danielle Steele Star (major speaking role and movie was about my death), S Club 7, The Client (I had major speaking role and plot was reliant on my death).

Sure I had some top 10 bills early on but the majority I was a main or pivotal character. Why does my engagement to a celebrity who's more popular than me cause my profile to be deleted? She is one of the biggest dance stars in the wold and 90 percent of wiki profiles would not coincide with her success... Before my engagement I was fine. I have sourced what I can find but if you don't consider TV guide, Misplaced Pages , variety magazine, IMBD, people, celebrity net worth, etc where else can anyone show their credits and success.. I worked hard to be on your amazing site and being deleted first for not sourcing (which was later all sourced) then being deleted because my ex fiancé who is a world renowned dancer shouldn't hinder my age only add to my existing accomplishments. Please let me back on... I'll do what it takes. Jason Robot19332 (talk) 16:08, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Appearing in music videos is not really a mark of notability here, for starters. Read through the notability guide for actors and you can see what the bar for inclusion is. Your enthusiasm for the project is great, but perhaps it could be channeled better into areas that need work. Look up some of the films and such that you have appeared in and add detail to them if they need it. That'd be the place to start. Tarc (talk) 16:56, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Jason Adelman - undelete

Hi Tarc; thanks again for your response as I'm sure you have w lot on your plate and I simply want to provide ammunition to reinstate my page. As I understand starring in a successful video isn't a sole basis for a wiki page nor is notoriety of my engagement of Karina Smirnoff those are footnotes to my career I never added on, but was added on to my existing page by some wiki administrator which I'm ok with as they both add to the notoriety but don't define my career. So now they you have seen sources let me explain how I'm in compliance with number one of the actors acceptable wiki page you referred me to, which states I have starred in successful notable films: 1. talisman - starred with Walter Jones of Power Rangers franchise . Full moon is a large production company and I was one of 3 starring actors and on Amazon because of my name recognition they list me as number one credit and on credits I believe im number two or three billing. 2. American Dreams- guest starred in several episodes and played main stars best friend Bobby Mahar. This was a hit show on NBC during primetime hours. 3. Co starred in a star cast of Jenny Garth and Craig Bierko. I'm within top 10 billings mainly because quite frankly jenny Garth and Bierko have big success. I played a pivotal role in the plot being garths brother who was killed which created the plot. 4. Uncle Sam - top 10 billing next to Savage from The Deerhunter. 5. The Gift- playing Mary Steibergeens son. 6. Two episodes or S Club 7- a worldwide successful show where I guest starred. 7. Along with several other movies where I costarred such as back to the future trilogy with Kirk Cameron, CBS after school special which aired on ABC and still plays in all schools about drugs where I had a co starring role with Dan Laura of wonder years, This Boys Life where I had top 3 billings and plot revolves around Millo Ventimiglia and his love for me and exposes a gay relationship between us which was the plot, alongside acting in the coveted Danni Nucci invitation only class where only myself, Leonardo dicaprio; together McGuire and Sara Gilbert acted and trained together for nearly 4 years... 2. 1 Robot19332 (talk) 17:42, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

• Robot19332, Tarc is, unfortunately, not an administrator and thus can't undelete. The article can be created from scratch, and that's probably a good idea since, ahem, it's not very good: it sounds promotional, for starters. Everything depends (besides neutral tone) on sourcing. If reliable sources discuss the subject in significant depth (beyond mere mentions), then it has a chance to succeed. Good luck. And Tarc, how you doin'? Drmies (talk) 18:43, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Oh I dunno, I'm sure there are many who feel spectacularly fortunate that I was never an administrator. :) Tarc (talk) 19:11, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Lol gotcha . I will have someone create one from scratch tonight. If there is any feedback please respond to this username so I can address it so it stays up:) you guys are the best. Robot19332 (talk) 19:31, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

@Robot19332: You need to be aware of some things:

• Creating the same article again with substantially identical content will result in speedy deletion.
• The article was deleted as a result of a discussion Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Jason Adelmann. No administrator will unilateraly overturn a deletion decision.
• The approach to getting the article undeleted would be to communicate with the deleting administrator, in this case at User talk:Davewild. If he declines to restore the article, your next step would be to take your case to Misplaced Pages:Deletion review. Deletion review isn't a place to argue the merits of the article subject, but to determine if the deletion decision was proper.
• Personally I think the above is a long shot, so I'd re-create it from scratch. Because you clearly have a Misplaced Pages:Conflict of interest about the subject, your best approach would be to follow the instructions at Misplaced Pages:Articles for creation. That's really the best venue for editors with a conflict of interest.

Hope that helps. ~Amatulić (talk) 22:59, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Ownership of Harry Potter article

I'd like to draw your attention to this: "An editor reverts a change simply because the editor finds it 'unnecessary' without claiming that the change is detrimental. This has the effect of assigning priority, between two equivalent versions, to an owner's version." found in WP:OWNBEHAVIOR. You have repeatedly said any change here is "unnecessary" yet cite no facts, no policy, no guidelines to support this. You call it "pointless" in your most recent revert, and your talk page arguments are more of the same. You have cited zero evidence that this change is detrimental. Your behavior perfectly fits the bill of ownership behavior, a kind of disruptive editing which can get you blocked. Please stop. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 04:19, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

One more warning: please stop. Next place we go from here is Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 04:24, 27 June 2015 (UTC)