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Riley Huntley _talk No talkback needed; I'll temporarily watch here. 14:15, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Try to be unbiased on Misplaced Pages,Government of India never recognised any trekkers/authors map on Siachen officially

some trekkers and authors viewpoint and their maps was never official position of Government of India and neither it recognised them--Koodfaand (talk) 10:24, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Nobody cares what is the official position of Govt of India if the international community thinks otherwise. I find it rather surprising that you have roughed out the sources as 'some' trekkers and authors. I think you need to read the importance of secondary sources at Misplaced Pages. There are 101 things which Govt of Pakistan does not agree with, does that change the fact that Misplaced Pages contains 1000s of edits which are not against the stated policy of Pakistan? Please stop unnecessary edit wars—TripWire  23:58, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject Pakistan

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Mar4d (talk) 18:48, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Word of advice

Before I actually have a look at the issue (since you've mentioned me), just a few words, and take it as good advice from an experienced user: You have to use the talk page to resolve any dispute. Don't make too many reverts. You are not allowed to make more than 3 reverts on an article. If you cross that limit, technically you can get reported and be blocked. So please, if you have made an extra revert on that article, consider undoing your edit for the time being so that things don't go down that route. And once again, please use the talk page before making any preemptive edits. If you don't, it will only land you in further trouble and invite others to scrutinise you. If you want to stay on Misplaced Pages and not get blocked, please take this advice seriously. I have become quite used to seeing constructive editors end up getting blocked from the site simply due to content disputes/nationalist edit wars. So please take a step back and don't engage in anything of that sort. Regards, Mar4d (talk) 18:54, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Also, although you've mentioned me, inviting users to support you in an argument can be taken as WP:CANVASSING, which is also frowned upon. So it is better to refrain from giving that impression. Mar4d (talk) 18:56, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Mar4d Thanks for the headsup. I understand that committing more than 3 reverts on an article will get me blocked, so I had avoided it. I was not knowing that one cannot directly invite other users. If that be the case, please if you can explain me the procedure for asking a third party opinion in case of a dispute? Lastly, I will request you once again to have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Mukti_Bahini thanks. —TripWire  20:01, 16 June 2015 (UTC)19:07, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Well, the first preference of course is to resolve the dispute with the conflicting party on the talk page and come to a compromise. When that fails, you can request an WP:RFC for uninvolved third opinions or go to the neutral point of view noticeboards. If you want across-the-board opinions from people who may have relevant knowledge of the topic, it would be better to post on the talk pages of relevant WikiProjects, such as the Pakistan noticeboard and Bangladesh noticeboard, so that the users present there may chirp in. This is usually better than directly involving specific editors. At the moment, your aim should be to use the talk page as much as possible and engage constructively with the opposing editor. Regards, Mar4d (talk) 19:17, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

As Desired

Sir, User:TopGun and User:Mar4d having understood the rules as explained by Mar4d, I request your valuable comments at the RFC: https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Mukti_Bahini#RfC:_Should_the_revelations.2Fadmission_by_Prime_Minister_Modi_be_included_in_the_article.3F —TripWire  20:54, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Al Shams

@Mar4d:, @Faizan: This article mentions the same thing. Sources are Bengali news. Al-Shams (East Pakistan) --Cosmic  Emperor  05:06, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Al Shams role in 1971 can be seen in these references. Read the texts marked in yellow and scroll down.

1,

2 ,

Razaker's role.

Razakars in Pakistan Army.--Cosmic  Emperor  05:17, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Only a paragraph containing Crime Tribunal proceedings is referenced, rest of it is not verifiable. Faizan (talk) 05:25, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

You have to say, sources are reliable or not. Academic books are reliable or not. I am not going to investigate and verify myself. They appeared in google book search.WP:NOTTRUTH. Cosmic  Emperor  05:27, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

I am talking about the article, not about the above references you gave. Faizan (talk) 05:35, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Further discussion taking m=place at Talk:Bangladesh Liberation War. Faizan (talk) 09:29, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Was mistake I looked a wong source Please sop from insulting 82.11.33.86 (talk) 18:39, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

I never did at the first place, but if still you think it was an insult, I didnt say anything after the first message, so stop acting 'sensitive' —TripWire  19:09, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigation

Hi. An editor has opened an investigation into sockpuppetry by you. Sockpuppetry is the use of more than one Misplaced Pages account in a manner that contravenes community policy. The investigation is being held at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/TripWire, where the editor who opened the investigation has presented their evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to investigations, and then feel free to offer your own evidence or to submit comments that you wish to be considered by the Misplaced Pages administrator who decides the result of the investigation. If you have been using multiple accounts (in a manner contrary to Misplaced Pages policy), please go to the investigation page and verify that now. Leniency is usually shown to those who promise not to do so again, or who did so unwittingly, but the abuse of multiple accounts is taken very seriously by the Misplaced Pages community.

Human3015 Call me maybe!! • 18:33, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Sorry to disappoint you my dear.—TripWire  15:17, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

ANI discussion about Google Earth

here. Volunteer Marek (talk) 20:14, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Topic-banned

I have reviewed your recent edits and come to the conclusion that you are a tendentious editor whose presence on Misplaced Pages is motivated almost entirely to a desire to push a certain national POV, in a topic domain that has recently been overrun by such editors from all sides of the issue in question. As such, your presence on Misplaced Pages is harmful to the project. Under the discretionary sanctions rules for the India/Pakistan topic area, I am therefore topic-banning you from all edits related to Pakistani politics and Indian/Pakistani conflicts, for a period of 6 months. Please refer to the WP:AC/DS page about appeal procedures. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:04, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Future Perfect at Sunrise Sir, can you atleast let me know which edit exactly made you think that I am here 'to push a certain national POV'? I was only participating at the talk pages and did only two edits in the past 48 hrs when I reverted KnightWarrior25 who was a known edit-warrior. Admins took 2 days to blocked him when he was reported for 3RR here and till then he had already played havoc by editing with impunity.

Not a single edit of mine has been done without discussion on talk pages, I guess that's how things work at wiki? How that POV pushing? Articles on Bangladesh Liberation War does not contain a single entry to show the Pakistani side of the story. If you think it is there, please show it to me and I'll resign from Wiki myself. Trying to add pics, after discussion at talk page (which still have not been added coz there's no consensus yet), like these which are authentic and sourced is considered at nationalistic POV, but when the page is already filled with the nationalistic POV of other countries it is ok with Misplaced Pages? So much for the NPOV.

As you already know that I am a new user, dont be mistaken that I joined wiki 2 years ago. As cane be seen from my edit history, after registering I only made 2 or 3 edits and since then I was inactive, I only became active a few weeks back. You cant expect me to start editing every possible article on wikipedia, ofcourse being a newcommer it is but natural that I will begin by editing pages which interest me and then may be expand my edits to other broader topics.

What bothers me is that I havent made any significant edit since 1 July and I still get banned for POV pushing? —TripWire  16:52, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

You, sir, need to realize that collaboration is not a weakness that you or the Pakistani Army can utilize to push any agenda. It is, sir, a strength that makes Misplaced Pages the biggest bestest encyclopedia ever written. This may be disappointing for you, sir, but collectively Misplaced Pages can weed out any trick that you or the Pakistani Army can come up with. And, please, realize that you still can edit other topics. Would you, sir, try something that is does not concern your politics, like for instance something on rose cultivars or arc pair grammar? Aditya 03:29, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Sir, you are stupid to keep on beating the same old drum of bringing Pakistan Army everywhere. Sir, you need to shut up.—TripWire  14:50, 5 July 2015 (UTC) I guess no need to lose my cool over useless stuff. Wish you could act maturely as you claim on your page.—TripWire  17:42, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:The fourth round, Indo-Pak war, 1984.jpg

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• It is an image licensed as "for non-commercial use only," "non-derivative use" or "used with permission," it has not been shown to comply with the limited standards for the use of non-free content , and it was either uploaded on or after 2005-05-19, or is not used in any articles. (See section F3 of the criteria for speedy deletion.) If you agree with the deletion, there is no need to do anything. If, however, you believe that this image may be retained on Misplaced Pages under one of the permitted conditions then you should do two things. First, please state clearly the source of the image. If it has been copied from elsewhere on the web you should provide links to: the image itself, the page which uses it and the page which contains the license conditions. Second, please add the relevant copyright tag.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. Human3015 knock knock • 08:16, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:The Trekker's Guide to the Himalaya and Karakoram 01.jpg

A tag has been placed on File:The Trekker's Guide to the Himalaya and Karakoram 01.jpg, requesting that it be deleted from Misplaced Pages. This has been done under two or more of the criteria for speedy deletion, by which articles can be deleted at any time, without discussion. If the page meets any of these strictly-defined criteria, then it may be soon be deleted by an administrator. The reasons it has been tagged are:

• It is an image licensed as "for non-commercial use only," "non-derivative use" or "used with permission," it has not been shown to comply with the limited standards for the use of non-free content , and it was either uploaded on or after 2005-05-19, or is not used in any articles. (See section F3 of the criteria for speedy deletion.) If you agree with the deletion, there is no need to do anything. If, however, you believe that this image may be retained on Misplaced Pages under one of the permitted conditions then you should do two things. First, please state clearly the source of the image. If it has been copied from elsewhere on the web you should provide links to: the image itself, the page which uses it and the page which contains the license conditions. Second, please add the relevant copyright tag.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. Human3015 knock knock • 08:18, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Did you or did you not see the Non-free use rationale on the image page? Stop acting as if you were born yesterday. Thanks—TripWire  08:24, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Indo-Pak images

TripWire, you are already topic banned from this issue, still you are uploading improperly licensed images related to India-Pakistan. Your all earlier images have been already deleted from Commons. . So please stop this otherwise you may get blocked. --Human3015 knock knock • 08:25, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

I ask again, were you born yesterday? I am topic banned from editing the articles, which I did not. Second, just because the images were deleted from commons does not mean that it will be deleted from here too. I suggest you read WP:NFCC and stop behaving like a wannabe admin. Thanks.—TripWire  08:30, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Uploading Images due to Ignorance

I did not know that topic-banned meant ban from uploading images too, so the images were uploaded mistakenly. Anywaz, these images were just uploaded and were not used by me on any page for which I have been banned. Human 3015 nominating the image for deletion is just doing it put of personal vendetta and deliberately choose to ignore the Non-Free Use Rational Template. The images carry the non-free use rational, and does not fit the criteria for CSD, however, I leave it to the admins to decide if they are to stay because I am topic banned and they were uploaded because of my ignorance. I will also advice Human to stop baiting me into debates which I am banned for. Thanks.—TripWire  08:53, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

I don't have any personal vendetta, otherwise I could have directly reported it to any admin and would have asked to block you, that would be called as "personal vendetta". But instead I'm just giving you general notice so that you will not do such mistakes in future and you will not get blocked. So actually I'm saving you from Block. --Human3015 knock knock • 09:06, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

It is a personal vendetta, or else you after seeing that the images were tagged with a Non-Free Use Template you would never have marked it for deletion for 'Improper license'. And it surely is personal vendetta because once you were educated that that the image is allowed under NFU Rational, you shifted you goal posts (as usual) and brought in my ban in a classic example which displayed that it was indeed a personal vendetta. Who are you kidding dude?—TripWire  09:26, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

If everything was good with images then why images have been deleted? Didn't you noticed that images have been deleted already? I tagged images in two categories, at least you should have read tags properly, first was "improper licensing" (as same images have been deleted by commons), and second was "added by banned/blocked" user. --Human3015 knock knock • 09:32, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Dont lie. You did not tag it in "two categories". Moreover, your notice on my talk page only mention F3. Improper license as the criteria for deletion which was indeed not the case. You are not only a liar but also a manipulator. You chose a wrong tag for deletion and when your mischief was caught, you changed your reasons. Prove me where you tagged the images for 'two criteria'?? —TripWire  09:38, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

You have to click "watchlist" button, then you will see admin RHaworth have deleted your two images which you will see in red colors on your watchlist, then see reason given by admin for deletion Multiple reasons: speedy deletion criteria F3, G5, If you don't know what G5 is then read this. --Human3015 knock knock • 09:47, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Oh genius, I know that the Admin has deleted the images for F3 and G5. G5 was used by the admin, and NOT YOU when you tagged it for deletion! You notices on my talk pages ONLY SPECIFY ONE REASON as follows:

The reasons it has been tagged are:

It is an image licensed as "for non-commercial use only," "non-derivative use" or "used with permission," it has not been shown to comply with the limited standards for the use of non-free content , and it was either uploaded on or after 2005-05-19, or is not used in any articles. (See section F3 of the criteria for speedy deletion.) If you agree with the deletion, there is no need to do anything. If, however, you believe that this image may be retained on Misplaced Pages under one of the permitted conditions then you should do two things. First, please state clearly the source of the image. If it has been copied from elsewhere on the web you should provide links to: the image itself, the page which uses it and the page which contains the license conditions. Second, please add the relevant copyright tag.

So yes, you are lying to cover up your mischief and that indeed it was your personal vendetta that compelled you to lie about the deletion tag and add a wrong tag despite that the F3 criteria was amply adhered to. Stop lying further and making a joke out of yourself. Thanks. —TripWire  09:56, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

You know, your this kind of attitude lead you to topic ban. You should be patient and civil. Anyways, it maybe software problem that you got notice of just one criteria, maybe because it was above in list. But I tagged it with both criteria. I have nothing more to say on this. You just don't do such mistakes in future. --Human3015 knock knock • 10:04, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

You dont know a tosh about my topic ban (expect if even that was also due to your personal vendetta). There's no 'software problem' my dear. Why is that it is always with you some 'software problem' happens? This is the lamest excuse. Had you tagged the G5 criteria, it would very well have been visible and the notice should have said it all. I am ending the discussion by saying that you are a liar unless you prove that you tagged the image for G 5 too. If not, 'You just don't do such mistakes in future.'—TripWire  10:13, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Or you can ask to admin who deleted your pics, you can ask him "does G5 tag was already there or you added it?". If he says "no, G5 was not there" then it will be strong evidence against me for you that I have personal vendetta. So try it. And I don't have to prove anything to you, it doesn't matters how much personal attack you do on me, you already got your punishment, 6 months of imprisonment. Now please stop this discussion. --Human3015 knock knock • 10:30, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Advice

Hi, TripWire, it will be better for you to delete your arbitration request from Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement because no one is commenting on it and it must be very emotionally painful for you. I can understand pain of getting banned, that too for 6 months. First pain you got when you got banned for 6 months, second Emotional Atyachar you got when admin FPAS didn't reply to your talk page message for reconsideration, third emotional pain you are getting when no one is not even commenting on your arbitration request, you must be keep on checking all the time if anyone commented on your thread in Arbitration and that must be very painful after not seeing any reply. So I advice you to delete your thread and close this matter and accept the truth and focus on real life. TopGun has better and defendable case than you still as per current status one non-involved admin is not in favour of him, TopGun is also very experienced and he knows how to defend and what to talk, still no one supporting him on his thread. Otherhand, you are new, you don't know many things about Misplaced Pages, also your case is non-defendable, even after topic ban you have done many mistakes. And anyone from your group (you know who, members of the group must not be named)will not support you because they will also have risk of topic ban and alleged "groupism". So better you close your thread. You will be relieved. Best Luck. (Or if involved admin is reading this then I request him to comment of TripWire's thread so that we can close this issue quickly and TripWire can move ahead in his life) --Human3015 knock knock • 11:40, 8 July 2015 (UTC)