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| ::{{Tps}} I would be careful using the word "blackmail". Also are you claiming that ] is ]? Because I don't think this is the place to make such claims. All the best: ''] ]'',<small> 18:36, 23 August 2015 (UTC).</small><br /> | ::{{Tps}} I would be careful using the word "blackmail". Also are you claiming that ] is ]? Because I don't think this is the place to make such claims. All the best: ''] ]'',<small> 18:36, 23 August 2015 (UTC).</small><br /> | ||
| :::Let me state for the record that I, ], am not ]. I want user ] to be banned from editing or doing anything that could possibly interfere with the Syria map, because that user has a history of blackmail and vandalism. I generally do not support, oppose, or care deeply about either side in the Syrian Civil War (west of Manbij, Maskanah, Palmyra). ] (]) 19:03, 23 August 2015 (UTC) | :::Let me state for the record that I, ], am not ]. I want user ] to be banned from editing or doing anything that could possibly interfere with the Syria map, because that user has a history of blackmail and vandalism. I generally do not support, oppose, or care deeply about either side in the Syrian Civil War (west of Manbij, Maskanah, Palmyra). ] (]) 19:03, 23 August 2015 (UTC) | ||
| ::::<span class="template-ping">@] and ]:</span> thanks for the note (and especially to Tradedia for compiling evidence). I've given the user a few templated warnings, including one about sanctions, which should cover 1RR. The revert warring and personal attacks are unacceptable. Because the user was not previously warned, I'm not going to take any further action right now; I will ]. I definitely will take further action if the behavior continues. | |||
| ::::Pbfreespace3: please note that people make accusations of vandalism ''all the time'' on this article, and 99% of the time ]. It might be correct in this situation (per Tradedia), but I just wanted to make you aware so that you don't make the same mistake. | |||
| ::::Tradedia: I agree with ]: ''blackmail'' might not be the optimal choice of words in this situation, even if it may be technically accurate. ] (]<small> • </small>]) 19:52, 23 August 2015 (UTC) | |||
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No ill will, Magog
I happen to think you were wrong; but let it be. I do hope you are watching that page now, because the POV warriors are still trying to put their anti-immigrant screed into the article, and it's gotten no better. I took it off my own watchlist, in the interest of not having something like that block happen again when I saw myself as simply preventing vandalism and destruction of existing consensus. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:14, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
- @Orangemike: I am glad you are not upset with me. I am not upset with you either! As I said, I prefer no drama. Anyway, I hope I do not sound patronizing, but I'd like to highlight a few things in response:
- People who disagree with you on content are not necessarily vandals (my pet essay!)
- Consensus can change - edit warring to protect consensus is probably evidence that the consensus no longer exists. Most editors lack the knowledge of process or the self-restraint to use the talk page to challenge the consensus and should redirected there.
- I invite you to engage in dialogue even if most people pushing a POV are bigots. When their ideas really are as hairbrained, they usually won't get far in dispute resolution. You might be surprised when some actually bring intelligent ideas. FWIW, when I constantly consume media I disagree with: I have found it helps to combat my own groupthink, as well as leaves me better equipped to challenge opposing ideas when they are wrongheaded.
- I'm not entirely sure if there was any coordinated editing going on. It seems equally likely that the increased media focus of the term caused more eyeballs and thus more editors. Please let me know if you can find evidence of it so I can semiprotect.
- I will try to monitor the article. By all means feel free to shoot me a note if you see a problem, as it may start to slip my mind. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 18:53, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Signpost comment
You wrote
- in the past few years, has cranked up the social justice push pieces up to 11
I think you meant
- in the past few years, Cracked has cranked up the social justice push pieces up to 11
I haven't changed it, though I have no taboo over fixing typos in others comments, because I can't be sure that's what you mean to write.
All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 22:22, 22 August 2015 (UTC).
- @Rich Farmbrough: thanks, fixed. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 18:11, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Reporting Vandalism
This user has made edits which are vandalism. Could you please do something to ban him? Please forgive me, I am new here, and may not understand the reporting process. Pbfreespace3 (talk) 00:31, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- Sorry Pbfreespace3 but your report is not good. See below for a good report:
- Let me start by giving some background. This is the (very biased) user who nominated the article for deletion a few weeks ago. After the failure of his Afd, he came back to the talk page and started blackmailing us by saying that if we don’t make the edits he wants us to make on the map, he will nominate the article for deletion again. Then he blackmails us again here by saying: “I am very close to nominating this map again.” And here again by saying: “So you can start to change or you can see your map nominated for deletion every week untill it is gone.”
- To illustrate his general attitude, here he calls another user: “degenerate zombie”. And here he calls collectively all editors of the map: “you little terrorist supporting shit”. And here, he deletes a whole section from the talk page (4000 characters, with 5 participants).
- We refused his blackmail, so he went to editing the map by reverting legitimate edits that he didn’t like without providing any source or making edit summary. We reverted his edits and gave him an explanation about the need to provide sources here. We also opened a total of 3 sections on his talk page as well as explained to him again on the map talk page. This didn’t do anything since he came back and reverted back the map many times without edit summary or sources, breaking 1RR twice:
- I also want to note that some of his edits were relating to major cities like Zabadani and that he gave it a status that is completely unrealistic and unclaimed by anyone. It is hard to argue that these could be good faith edits. This could be viewed as intentional sabotage of the map that he failed to delete (and that he is threatening to delete). His message could be interpreted as: “Do what I ask you to do, or I will make your map a complete mess!” From his contributions list, you can see that he is essentially a WP:SPA who opened his account for the sole purpose of neutralizing the map and article. WP:SPA says: “… a significant number (of SPA) appear to edit for the purposes of promotion or showcasing their favored point of view, which is not allowed (WP:NOTADVOCACY). (my emphasis added). This person is not here to help build an encyclopedia. Tradedia 17:10, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) I would be careful using the word "blackmail". Also are you claiming that User:Pbfreespace3 is User:SyrianObserver2015? Because I don't think this is the place to make such claims. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 18:36, 23 August 2015 (UTC).
- Let me state for the record that I, User:Pbfreespace3, am not User:SyrianObserver2015. I want user User:SyrianObserver2015 to be banned from editing or doing anything that could possibly interfere with the Syria map, because that user has a history of blackmail and vandalism. I generally do not support, oppose, or care deeply about either side in the Syrian Civil War (west of Manbij, Maskanah, Palmyra). Pbfreespace3 (talk) 19:03, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- @Pbfreespace3 and Tradedia: thanks for the note (and especially to Tradedia for compiling evidence). I've given the user a few templated warnings, including one about sanctions, which should cover 1RR. The revert warring and personal attacks are unacceptable. Because the user was not previously warned, I'm not going to take any further action right now; I will give him enough rope to hang himself. I definitely will take further action if the behavior continues.
- Pbfreespace3: please note that people make accusations of vandalism all the time on this article, and 99% of the time they are misusing the term. It might be correct in this situation (per Tradedia), but I just wanted to make you aware so that you don't make the same mistake.
- Tradedia: I agree with Rich Farmbrough: blackmail might not be the optimal choice of words in this situation, even if it may be technically accurate. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 19:52, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- Let me state for the record that I, User:Pbfreespace3, am not User:SyrianObserver2015. I want user User:SyrianObserver2015 to be banned from editing or doing anything that could possibly interfere with the Syria map, because that user has a history of blackmail and vandalism. I generally do not support, oppose, or care deeply about either side in the Syrian Civil War (west of Manbij, Maskanah, Palmyra). Pbfreespace3 (talk) 19:03, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) I would be careful using the word "blackmail". Also are you claiming that User:Pbfreespace3 is User:SyrianObserver2015? Because I don't think this is the place to make such claims. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 18:36, 23 August 2015 (UTC).