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::::Misplaced Pages is a work in progress so the argument that something hasn't been fixed yet is not very compelling for not fixing it. I understand that saying "you and me" sounds better than "you and I" sometimes. but we don't allow Misplaced Pages to be written by "what sounds best" even though readability is still an important part of MOS. The Washington Redskins is a professional sports team is perfectly readable and accurate. I actually think it sounds better than Are a team. but I appreciate your feedback. ] (]) 05:17, 30 September 2015 (UTC) ::::Misplaced Pages is a work in progress so the argument that something hasn't been fixed yet is not very compelling for not fixing it. I understand that saying "you and me" sounds better than "you and I" sometimes. but we don't allow Misplaced Pages to be written by "what sounds best" even though readability is still an important part of MOS. The Washington Redskins is a professional sports team is perfectly readable and accurate. I actually think it sounds better than Are a team. but I appreciate your feedback. ] (]) 05:17, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
:::::This convention is based on what is currently on ]: "Despite exceptions such as usage in ''The New York Times'', the names of sports teams are '''usually treated as plurals''' even if the form of the name is singular" (emphasis added). So both conventions are used in various reliable sources. And since you mention ], I should probably point out the third paragraph of that page, which says "Where more than one style is acceptable, editors should not change an article from one of those styles to another without a good reason". And so, I don't see a good reason of both are acceptable by reliable sources. And I do not see such rule on WP:MOS that basically implies, "We have higher standards than the Washington Post". ] (]) 05:25, 30 September 2015 (UTC) :::::This convention is based on what is currently on ]: "Despite exceptions such as usage in ''The New York Times'', the names of sports teams are '''usually treated as plurals''' even if the form of the name is singular" (emphasis added). So both conventions are used in various reliable sources. And since you mention ], I should probably point out the third paragraph of that page, which says "Where more than one style is acceptable, editors should not change an article from one of those styles to another without a good reason". And so, I don't see a good reason of both are acceptable by reliable sources. And I do not see such rule on WP:MOS that basically implies, "We have higher standards than the Washington Post". ] (]) 05:25, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
::::::The reason is NPOV ( a value that is immune to consensus override ) Saying the Washington Redskins are a team gives undue weight to the fringe theory that there is more than one Washington Redskin. for the sake of NPOV Is is better. ] (]) 05:48, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

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Based in Ashburn, Virginia

The Washington Redskins are headquartered in Ashburn, VA. I'm going to change to box at the bottom (similar to what the New York Jets have).

Name Controversy Again...

I trimmed it down today, removing unessential details of the court case, etc. I'm sure some won't be happy about it. But, work with me and we'll get it done. It needs it. Especially now that it's protected. Cheers. Dkspartan1 (talk) 17:04, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

I do not see any evidence of cleanup of this section, so I have basically re-written it based upon the newer material and better sources in the main article. I think the main issues covered before my edits remain. I am surprised that there was nothing added about the Original Americans Foundation or the RedskinsFacts.com website.FriendlyFred (talk) 20:50, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

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Are a team vs Is a team

This article is about the Washington Redskins franchise. a singular unit, a singular team. Bryce Carmony (talk) 05:05, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

So is the Washington Post wrong to say the Redskins are losing the turnover battle? Calidum 05:08, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia dedicated to venerability not to "sounding cool" We have higher standards than the Washington Post. Bryce Carmony (talk) 05:11, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
Every other sport team article uses "are". There are many grammar contradictions in the English language, even if this is technically one, it's never been an issue of debate, as far as I know. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 05:14, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages is a work in progress so the argument that something hasn't been fixed yet is not very compelling for not fixing it. I understand that saying "you and me" sounds better than "you and I" sometimes. but we don't allow Misplaced Pages to be written by "what sounds best" even though readability is still an important part of MOS. The Washington Redskins is a professional sports team is perfectly readable and accurate. I actually think it sounds better than Are a team. but I appreciate your feedback. Bryce Carmony (talk) 05:17, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
This convention is based on what is currently on Comparison of American and British English#Formal and notional agreement: "Despite exceptions such as usage in The New York Times, the names of sports teams are usually treated as plurals even if the form of the name is singular" (emphasis added). So both conventions are used in various reliable sources. And since you mention WP:MOS, I should probably point out the third paragraph of that page, which says "Where more than one style is acceptable, editors should not change an article from one of those styles to another without a good reason". And so, I don't see a good reason of both are acceptable by reliable sources. And I do not see such rule on WP:MOS that basically implies, "We have higher standards than the Washington Post". Zzyzx11 (talk) 05:25, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
The reason is NPOV ( a value that is immune to consensus override ) Saying the Washington Redskins are a team gives undue weight to the fringe theory that there is more than one Washington Redskin. for the sake of NPOV Is is better. Bryce Carmony (talk) 05:48, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
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