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God Damn band: Page Deletion

Hi,

The God Damn band page i created was deleted, I am unsure as to the reasons for this even after reading the guidelines. How can I create this page for the band, without it being deleted again?

Thanks, Joe Wood

One Little Indian Records 34 Trinity Crescent London SW17 7AE

Tel : 00 44 208 772 7600 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trincres17 (talk • contribs) 11:32, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

@Trincres17: Assuming you are employed by the record label, we would prefer you not to create a page for the band at all, see Conflict of interest. You can, however, suggest article creation at Requested articles or have your work checked by others in a perhaps more friendly way if you go through Articles for creation. You will need to provide references from reliable sources. If you do create a page again, please make sure it is written in encyclopaedical style and does not read like it tries to promote the band (instead, it should be neutral. Hope that helps, —Kusma (t·c) 11:44, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi,

How can I go about getting this page created? Would you be able to put this forward if I give you relevant links?

http://www.indian.co.uk/site/artists/god-damn http://goddamntheband.com/about https://www.facebook.com/goddamntheband/timeline — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trincres17 (talk • contribs) 12:02, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

@Trincres17: Try the processes described by the pages I linked to above (requested articles or articles for creation). You will need sources independent from the band or the label. None of your sources seem to be independent. —Kusma (t·c) 12:25, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

deletion of article on hair extension sale

I told you that it's not a promotion article, it is the article to describe the importance of hair extensions that why it has been necessary in today's world for the males and females both. I have created this article just for enhancing the knowledge of people about hair extensions, that why people are coming in the trend of using hair extensions and why it has been quit essential to use artificial hair extensions and regarding this i have provided enough knowledge about its uses, its types and much more. So in my opinion the article is perfect for giving knowledge on hair extensions. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ann S.Partin (talk • contribs) 11:00, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

@Ann S.Partin: The correct place for information about hair extensions is the article hair extension. Your article HairExtensionSale mixed that with promoting a company. No indication was given why that company is notable, so there is no reason for Misplaced Pages to have an article at the title "HairExtensionSale". —Kusma (t·c) 11:09, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

ok, i have understood what you want to say, and i want to add some authentic information about our company to be notable, but i wanna ask that i have to again create the new page or otherwise what can i do for improving my article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ann S.Partin (talk • contribs) 11:26, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

@Ann S.Partin: You should not write an article about your company at all, see WP:COI. —Kusma (t·c) 12:01, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

But i want to ask the reason not to write about HairExtensionSale, can you help me accurately please because i do not want my article to be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ann S.Partin (talk • contribs) 12:07, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

@Ann S.Partin: We discourage contributions that suffer from a conflict of interest. If you are paid by the HairExtensionSale company, you should not create an article about them. You can suggest article creation at Requested articles or suggest an article being created via the Articles for creation process. You will need to provide references from reliable sources that are independent from your company. —Kusma (t·c) 12:14, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


i have created this article according to the process of article creation just believe but if i have made mistakes here so i can improve these mistakes, i will write it again, plus improve the company importance for the hair extensions, i will also change the references which you don't approve really. just tell me please may i continue the same article or improve so how? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ann S.Partin (talk • contribs) 12:26, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

@Ann S.Partin: You could just edit our article Artificial hair integrations if you have anything to say about the topic. If my previous answers have not helped you, I suggest you read the welcome message on your talk page, which explains how you can get help. —Kusma (t·c) 12:34, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

ok i am agree to adit your article but i can include your article in my article, can this happen? if yes so please tell me wher and how to edit this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ann S.Partin (talk • contribs) 12:50, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


You didn't respond me still i'm waiting now i want to ask How can I create the page about my company not for the promotion of the products but for imparting knowledge for others, without it being deleted again? thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ann S.Partin (talk • contribs) 14:35, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

@Ann S.Partin: I will not write your article for you or give you detailed instructions. I do not know whether an article about your company would be acceptable by our notability guidelines. Your article would have to demonstrate that. Study the links that were provided in this discussion and on your talk page, look at other articles about comparable companies (if we even have any). If you need more help, please use our help system. —Kusma (t·c) 15:03, 15 September 2015 (UTC)


sorry i have studied a lot but not found any of the article regarding hair extensions company so how can i get the idea to write about my company article, please if you know any of the link regarding comparable companies, please provide me so that i can get over my situation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ann S.Partin (talk • contribs) 15:15, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

God damn (band)

Hi Kusma,

How do I got about setting up a God Damn (band) wikipedia page? It recommended I contact you, as it appears someone has previously tried to create this page and it was deleted.

Thanks,

Joe Wood — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joewood91 (talk • contribs) 11:01, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Apparently you have managed to create one. —Kusma (t·c) 16:16, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, and a question

Thanks for reverting User:2607:FB90:2E00:DE84:0:1:D3E1:4B01 on numerous national security agency articles. I had one of the articles watch listed and looked into the User's contribs. I had been reverting them one at a time with Twinkle, but it was time-consuming. I assume you have a tool as an admin that lets you mass revert the user's contribs all at once. What is that tool, and is it admin-only? Thanks, Jusdafax 19:12, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

@Jusdafax: I think such a tool exists (and for example Misplaced Pages:New admin/Rollback points to a script that might work for any rollbacker, but I haven't tested it), but I just used plain old command-click (meaning open in a new tab) on all the "rollback" links in the user contributions. I wasn't totally sure about blocking the IP so I didn't. In any case, thank you for noticing and reporting! —Kusma (t·c) 19:22, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

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I'"m sorry

In the cut and thrust over at WP:RFD I accused you well not Je m'excuse but I managed to insult you accidentally. I didn't mean to and I sincererely apologose, it is hard sometimes to know what to write. Si Trew (talk) 19:33, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. It was pretty clear that you had misunderstood my edit, and I was not offended. Happy editing, —Kusma (t·c) 20:18, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

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Am I being paranoid?

I'm cleaning up hundreds of dab pages edited by a particular user, and I can't help but think it might be SU in a different guise. Could you take a quick look at some of the edits if you have time? —Xezbeth (talk) 18:57, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

@Xezbeth: Don't think so (wrong kind of broken English, somewhat different interests). I haven't had time to look at it in super much detail, but I am more reminded of this user (but I don't know his style very well, and might be completely off; better to ask some of the others who have reported to that SPI in the past). —Kusma (t·c) 21:12, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

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Celestine Sibley

Kusma, thanks much for taking the time to deal with this article. Sibley was a fine writer and a much-loved columnist, and deserves a better wikiarticle. If and when I have time to add to it, I will. Thanks again for your help cleaning this up. Textorus (talk) 01:51, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Compromised account?

Hi Kusma, I believe that this account may be compromised. He retired on Feb. 4 and there have been no other edits until yesterday. Notice that the person who is using the account now is capitalizing the first letter of their edit summaries where that editor usually used lowercase before. If they do anything else wrong, an indef block may be the way to go.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 14:36, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

His alternate account Special:Contributions/StanTheMan87 is still active, so I asked on his talk page. I agree the behaviour seems quite different than before. —Kusma (t·c) 15:02, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Gatsby Major

I tagged this for speedy G3 but you must've missed my message asking it be moved to Misplaced Pages:List of hoaxes on Misplaced Pages afterwards? Cheers, SwisterTwister talk 20:44, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

@SwisterTwister: I have undeleted it, but haven't added it to the index page yet -- you can do it if you want. —Kusma (t·c) 14:12, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
@SwisterTwister: It is now at the list of hoaxes. —Kusma (t·c) 19:46, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Article upgrade assistance request (Pre-translation stage)

Seasons Greetings,

This is in reference to a relatively new umbrella article on en-wikipedia named Ceremonial pole. Ceremonial pole is a human tradition since ancient times; either existed in past at some point of time, or still exists in some cultures across global continents from north to south & from east to west. Ceremonial poles are used to symbolize a variety of concepts in several different world cultures.

Through article Ceremonial pole we intend to take encyclopedic note of cultural aspects and festive celebrations around Ceremonial pole as an umbrella article and want to have historical, mythological, anthropological aspects, reverence or worships wherever concerned as a small part.

While Ceremonial poles have a long past and strong presence but usually less discussed subject. Even before we seek translation of this article in global languages, we need to have more encyclopedic information/input about Ceremonial poles from all global cultures and languages. And we seek your assistance in the same.

Since other contributors to the article are insisting for reliable sources and Standard native english; If your contributions get deleted (for some reason like linguistics or may be your information is reliable but unfortunately dosent match expectations of other editors) , please do list the same on Talk:Ceremonial pole page so that other wikipedians may help improve by interlanguage collaborations, and/or some other language wikipedias may be interested in giving more importance to reliablity of information over other factors on their respective wikipedia.

This particular request is being made to you since your user name is listed in Misplaced Pages:Translators available list.

Thanking you with warm regards Mahitgar (talk) 05:41, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

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Steven E. Greer, MD

Good day,

There is a sloppy "editor" deadset on deleting a new page we created "Steven E. Greer, MD". They claim that they did "due Diligence" but list no specifics of what they found to be wrong. In fact, the claims on the site are all referenced to major articles, such as the WSJ, proving the claims are true.

This is a case of someone clearly with no life getting their jollies out of exerting the pathetic power of controlling Wiki pages.

Please stop this at once

The editor causing this goes by Gilo1969

muleskinner520:36, 25 October 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muleskinner5 (talk • contribs)

You should probably stop re-creating this page all the time. If you write a Draft first or use the services of the articles for creation project, you'll have a better chance of convincing people to overturn the decision made in Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Steven E. Greer, MD. —Kusma (t·c) 21:32, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

Discussion of the true nature of Creative Commons' license suite

I wanted to discuss something interesting which cropped up when getting a copypasted article removed. I am 100% happy with the current position of the article Akira Hiramoto - of which the plaigarised article is only in the revision history to serve as a documentation of the free article to reference the resolved incident. The average user will not need to read the edit history or peruse the many logs WP has to deal with such issues.

Misplaced Pages refers to free CC content as usable with attribution - 100% true. Without attribution, things are different - as CCBYSA3 in full explicitly states that all works under it do have a conditional copyright on them (but are free with attribution), works that are not attributed could be a copyright violation. So I immediately tagged the article before doing anything about it, which is fine.

I joined Misplaced Pages informally about two years back. It really got my goat to see people ripping off Misplaced Pages which I responded to with the use of this letter to inform online people of this behaviour not being right - the revolutionary thought that people should have to work for their content or state who did the work. Hence, I think there is a misconception people have about this that editors on Misplaced Pages have to deal with a lot.

However, WP:COPYVIO doesn't really state this and this could compound the common misbelief that the "free licenses" (which allow free use with attribution and other features if necessary) is actually free to just copypaste, sell, rehost or download. This issue is not really attributable to Misplaced Pages where the "human readable" summary is less obstructing - the unported CC-BY-SA 3.0 license Misplaced Pages uses explicitly states that Misplaced Pages content is copyrighted against people not stating that Misplaced Pages wrote the work and the identity of the source article.

The culprit behind this issue is probably Creative Commons - who marketed their license as free during the advent of collaborative editing and don't go to the full effort to disclose that their CC license suite is a just copyright license suite that allows conditional free usage.

 Zkrjebril92 talk  19:27, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

@Zkrjebril92: Yeah, copyright is complicated, and most people don't care. Back when Misplaced Pages was licensed under the GFDL only (before the Licensing update, things were even worse: nobody really knew how to properly satisfy the attribution conditions of that license, and most people just thought we were a "💕" and just used it in any way they liked. Educating people about this (or about the proper use of CC) is a slow process. If you have a suggestion how to improve WP:COPYVIO, by all means do. Be bold and {{sofixit}} :) I'd be happy if people at least could finally understand how to properly copy within Misplaced Pages, but I'm not holding my breath. —Kusma (t·c) 20:03, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

DEIN KOMMENTAR BEI User talk:Spinningspark

Hallo Kusma, dein Kommentar bei User talk:Spinningspark ist nicht WP-würdig, denn du hast nicht das Ganze gelesen und wenn, dann nur sehr oberflächlich! Wir alle sind mittlerweile global vernetzt, von der EU abgesehen, und dennoch profitiert die Industrie enorm davon! Da du aber dort nicht tätig bist, als Mathematiker tangiert es dich offensichtlich nicht, aber...auch du solltest die wirtschaftlichen Vorteile der Industrie in der EU nicht außer acht lassen! Ich nehme bei dir an, dass das alles nichts angeht. Warum du in GB studierst, lässt darauf schließen, dass du ein EU-Gegner bist...Das ist deine Entscheidung, aber du solltest dennoch bedenken, dass auch Mathematiker von der Freizügigkeit der Industrie profitieren kannst, denn ohne die derzeitige Wirtschaftslage in der EU profitierst auch DU, gleich in welchem Land du dich aufhältst oder künftig aufhalten wirst...Glückauf, auch wenn du Beamter werden solltest, auch die müssen von Steuerzahlern finanziert werden!!! Und wenn es die nicht mehr gibt, wollt ihr "Beamten" dann weiterleben können??? Womit? Mit Mathematik kannst du zwar viel er-, berechnen, aber nicht, wie dick/dünn später einmal deine Brotscheiben ausfallen werden. Ich wünsche dir und mir selbst natürlich auch nichts Schlechtes, aber Gedanken solltest du dir schon machen (auch wenn du deine negative Aussage über mich nicht begründen kannst, da du meine Ausführungen niemals bis ins Detail gelesen haben kannst...Alles Gute weiterhin and good luck wünscht -- 217.224.196.226 (talk) 00:03, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

NS: Obwohl du ca. neun Jahre bei der WP dabei bist, müsstest du eigentlich in allen Diskussionen mit mir/gegen mich gelesen haben, dass die WP-Regeln derart schwammig sind und demzufolge als Sowohl-als Auch-Regeln (eindeutig nach Gutdünken, siehe in der de-WP den Benutzer:Jbergner, der alle Edits von mir reverted, obwohl es Tausende Beispiele dafür gibt, dass es so dort steht und ich mich daran orientier(t)e. Mit dem feinen Unterschied, dass meine Edits falsch, die anderen, speziell seine richtig sind! Und das findest du o.k.?! Außerdem erhöht er seine Anzahl der Beiträge/Edits etc. enorm, obgleich er mir vorhält, mit Edits zu punkten und die Zahl zu erhöhen. WELCH EIN SCHWACHSINN, DENN DAS WAR UND BLEIBT AUCH NIE MEINE ABSICHT!!! Es lebe -auch bei dir -die freie Enzyklopädie WP!!!-) SO IST ES NIE GEPLANT GEWESEN VOM GRÜNDER DER WP!!!! Und ich war und bin immer noch der Meinung, dass eine Enzyklopädie der Nachwelt und deren Nutzern dienen soll... WEIT GEFEHLT, WAS HIER ABGEHT!!! -- 217.224.196.226 (talk) 00:15, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
Und als Administrator (zumindest in der de-WP) würdest du mit deiner flüchtigen Recherche (s.o.) schlechte Karten für eine Wiederwahl haben, denn dort werden solche Fehler nicht verziehen!!! -verständlich-, denn da wird NACHLESE betrieben, gleich, ob sie gelöscht wurden oder nicht... -- 217.224.196.226 (talk) 00:30, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
Merke, Es gibt IMMER viel Klügere, als man glaubt der Klügste zu sein!!! Warum wohl schreibt Jbergner gerne in KLEINSCHRIFT? Ein Schelm, der Böses dabei denkt... -- 217.224.196.226 (talk) 00:37, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Ich verstehe nicht ganz, wieso du mich (zu Unrecht) als EU-Gegner bezeichnest. Das Problem mit deinen Edits scheint mir weniger zu sein, ob sie richtig bzw. regelgerecht sind (manche sind es, manche nicht), sondern dein rechthaberisches Getue drumherum. Wenn dir mehrere andere Benutzer sagen, dass mit deinen Edits etwas nicht stimmt und du daher bitte aufhören sollst, Hunderte solcher Edits zu machen, hast du zwei Möglichkeiten: du kannst ihnen zuhören oder nicht zuhören. Du hast dich anscheinend fürs nicht Zuhören entschieden. Kollaboratives Arbeiten mit Leuten, die nicht zuhören und immer davon überzeugt sind, Recht zu haben, funktioniert nicht. Die Misplaced Pages ist nicht nur eine freie Enzyklopädie, sondern auch ein Gemeinschaftsprodukt, und ich und andere sind bereit, Benutzer zu sperren, die nicht bereit sind, sich einzufügen. Das ist dir anscheinend auch schon auf mehreren anderssprachigen Wikipedias passiert. Wenn du dein Verhalten nicht änderst, wird das auch weiterhin passieren. Jimbo Wales hat auch schon produktive Benutzer gesperrt bzw. verbannt mit Begründungen wie "user not here to work in good faith with others to build an encyclopedia". Ich vermute aber, du wirst mir auch nicht zuhören, sondern weiterhin auf deinem "Recht" beharren. —Kusma (t·c) 07:26, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Zunächst danke ich für deine Ausführungen, wie vermutet, bleiben aber einige Fragen unbeantwortet, wie bei vielen "zu kurz springenden WPs"...Zu Jimbo Wales nur so viel: "Er hat auch einmal (was selten vorkommt) der Presse erklärt, dass die WP nicht allzu lange tätig sein wird und in absehbarer Zeit beendet werden kann, da es (lt. seiner Aussage) ja irgendwann nichts mehr zu ändern gibt, resp. geben kann. Diese Aussage, die ich damals las, verwunderte mich schon sehr, denn er irrte gewaltig (und darum lässt er, wie du oben geschildert hast, eben auch Sperren für produktive Benutzer zu...), denn nach seiner Aussage würden doch nicht Hunderte von Änderungen erforderlich sein! Fazit: Auch der Gründer der WP kann sich irren, denn auch er ist nur ein Mensch... Ihr (angeblich und immer wieder bewiesenen REGEL-SPEZIALISTEN beantwortet mir meine Fragen generell mit "sie gelten sowohl als auch...Wenn das keine klare Ansage ist? Bei allen meinen entspr. Edits war eben meine Wenigkeit derjenige, dem NICHTS DAVON ANERKANNT WURDE, im Gegenteil, es wurde auf "Teufel komm raus" alles revertet -gleich, ob die WP mit zwei unterschiedlichen Daten in einem Beitrag unterwegs war oder nicht-. DIE ZAHLEN DER EDITS IST DENEN AM WICHTIGSTEN (wäre evtl. auch für dich durchschaubar, wenn du meine ganzen Diskus eben genauer gelesen hättest!). Sei's drum, du reihst dich eben genau so in diese Minderheit ein, nach dem Motto: "Lieber sofort sperren, als auf Fragen zu antworten, geschweige denn, zu diskutieren". Das macht ja Arbeit, die man sich lieber doch erspart, weil man ja die MACHT des "Knöpfchen-Drückens" hat...Und wie oft wird euch allen dies vorgeworfen..., wie immer ZWECKLOS!!! - Das "Wegsperren von unbequemen Fragestellern ist doch v i e l einfacher..." Meine Prognosen, dass die bis jetzt stärkste en-WP und viele anderen recht bald "Geschichte" sein werden, werden sich bewahrheiten, glaube mir...Denn die Chinesen, die von den o.g. (schlechten mit zu vielen Rechten ausgestatteten) "Kandidaten" anfangs (wegen schlechter Übersetzungen) sehr belächelt wurden. Man machte sich sogar (für mich damals schon beschämend) darüber lustig...Und das spiegelt sich laufend im Verhalten der o.g., von denen sehr viele nicht einmal die deutsche Rechtschreibung beherrschen!!!). Ein von mir Genannter (s.o.) antwortet schon keinem auf unbequeme Fragen und schreibt sicherheitshalber alles klein, damit er seine evtl. Schwächen eben nicht preisgeben muss...Also, meine Bitte, bevor du (da Befugnis des Sperrens) solche Dinge von dir gibst, nur vage auf meine Zeilen eingehst -eher "unterschlägst"-, solltest du dir doch bitte genauer das ansehen (und zwar unter allen meinen User-Namen!), bevor du eine solche VORVERURTEILUNG mir gegenüber zum Besten gibst...Du weißt schon, was dies in der deutschen Rechtsprechung heißt - die auch Amerikaner (s. Google, facebook, Amazon etc.) einhalten müssen -und wenn es eben, wie es dauernd geschieht- auch gewisse Verbote ausgesprochen werden, zumindest drastische Änderungen ihres Verhaltens. In den Vereinigten Staaten wird das (Gott sei Dank!) seit längerer Zeit voll durchgezogen und für uns ungewohnte, aber berechtigte Strafen gegen deutsche Firmen verhängt!!! Diese werden -logischerweise- auch bezahlt..., denn was bleibt ihnen übrig? Die Beispiele Deutsche Bank, VW und, und, und, sprechen eine deutliche Sprache. Wer wird der nä. sein in der BRD? Das kann ich dir gerne beantworten und habe (drum wurde ich ebenfalls sofort gesperrt) dies kritisiert (was du offensichtlich nicht gelesen hast): Wetten, dass es die viel zitierte Freie Enzyklopädie sein wird? Die Aufregung über die NSA und die Briten stellt WP schon lange in den Schatten!!! Was wird da überwacht und angezapft (bitte nur Itti, Jbergner usw. fragen)...und das (glaubt man eben bei WP)!!! Alles Gute weiterhin und fleißig die Sperrknöpfe bedienen...Glückauf -- 217.224.216.87 (talk) 20:23, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

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Barnstar

The Civility Barnstar
To Kusma, for a polite and eloquent rebuttal at RfA. Axl ¤ 14:03, 4 November 2015 (UTC)