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Great, just what we need around this place... more people whose names can spell "Ram Lakers". Dumb ]. :) Cheers. --]]] <sup><font color="#3D9140">]</font></sup> 19:53, 21 September 2005 (UTC)


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Your arguments weren't bad at all, and you'd make an eloquent spokesperson for your view if the matter came to a vote. One thing I love about Misplaced Pages is that it defaults in favor of the inclusion of information, so while I would expect our positions to be split 50/50 in support, this would normally result in their being listed. Long before my time, this debate was had; besides my own views, another reason I oppose changing is the difficulty of revising the archives.

If it means anything, I do support the death penalty, though the way it is applied in Texas and Virginia scares me. I also support criminology, and think the dispassionate analysis of criminals is a useful social science; hence, I see their being cataloged at WP as a positive good. Best wishes, ] 22:40, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
:Thank you for your comments. I enjoy the debate and respect everyone's views on the issue. Revising the archives would be problematic, I agree.--] 16:52, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

== DC streets ==
An AfD that you recently particpated in has been recycled. Please see ]. - ]]] 05:34, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

==]==
Thank you! I suspect some yahoos are going to add it back in, but we can take turns reverting... ] 18:29, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
:Your turn? ] 16:52, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
::I will keep an eye on the article but I am not always in a position to act quickly I'm afraid.--] 19:53, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
:Steelbeard1 hasn't been able to address the issues discussed in the talk pages. He has request a "truce," but his version of a truce is to leave the edits his way. ] 20:48, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
::Well, I'm not going to get involved in an edit war right now but I will revert it later or tomorrow probably. If he persists I may request comments on this and related issues. I will put up a message on his talk page as well.--] 21:04, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

===]===
The Cheney/Burr shooting match is heating up again in the duel article. You took an interest last time, so I thought I might draw this to your attention. ] 20:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
:Thank you for the heads up on this, I'll check it out.--] 00:38, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

== Re: Appreciation ==

Thank you very much. I think we have very similar views, as I was just looking at some other comments you made on the olympic conventions page. Medalstats and Them medals seem to be not only expressing their views, but implimenting them as well, which is rude and rather sad. As long as we continue to bash our opponents outrageous views, I think we can draw in enough supporters to make for a "pro us" resolution of these debates. Keep up the good editing! --] <sup></font>]]</sup>/<sub></nowiki>]</font></sub> 23:40, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

== Sockpuppets ==

I would like to again bring to your attention the comment you left on the ] page. The three users: Medalstats, Them Medals, and Wintermedal, look quite suspicious of being the same person. Look at the user contribs of each one and note that each one is used on a specific date; Medalstats stops at the 24th, Them medals picks up on the 25th, and Winter medal is on the 26th. Look eerie to you too? If you're an admin, I suggest doing somjething about this, as I am not one myself. (I'd do it in a heartbeat.) Thanks. P.S. Notify me if you do anything. --] <sup></font>]]</sup>/<sub></nowiki>]</font></sub> 20:40, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
:I'm not sure how you would do that. I'll see if I can find some way to report it and how bout you look for some evidence? --] <sup></font>]]</sup>/<sub></nowiki>]</font></sub> 20:49, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
::Ok, here's the template I should add to the user names: <nowiki>{{Sockpuppet|1=SOCKPUPPETEER|evidence=]}}</nowiki>. I will add it to all three of them if you think we have enough evidence. Thanks for the help. --] <sup></font>]]</sup>/<sub></nowiki>]</font></sub> 20:57, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
:::Ok I started adding them to the talk and main user pages. the link to where the evidence is to go is posted on the template. --] <sup></font>]]</sup>/<sub></nowiki>]</font></sub> 21:07, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to look for an admin to address this to. So these users will be taken care of fast. --] <sup></font>]]</sup>/<sub></nowiki>]</font></sub> 21:35, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
:That's quite alright. Thanks for your help. I appreciate it. --] <sup></font>]]</sup>/<sub></nowiki>]</font></sub> 22:01, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

===More evidence===
'''Them medals:'''
03:55, February 25, 2006 (hist) (diff) Talk:Total Olympics medal count (support for medal count scores)

'''Wintermedal:'''
16:48, February 26, 2006 (hist) (diff) Misplaced Pages:Olympic conventions/topics (support for medal count scores)

Note the exact same edit summary...
Something tells me there was someone before it, too, and I'll try to find out who it was.

== Re: Antics ==

Thanks for the comment. That was a nice thing to say. Yeah, I've been trying to get rid of some of those "red links" too. TYhere's just so many you can do without getting bored, though. Haha. Anyway, I looked at your comment and I've decided that I will scratch the whole thing. Your logic is right and I want that page to turn out well. P.S. Yeah I contacted an admin who then blocked him. He was being very bothersome. haha, --] <sup></font>]]</sup>/<sub></nowiki>]</font></sub> 01:22, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

== Urgent! ==
Kal, please go to ] ASAP, as the Olympic conventions pages have been nominated for deletion! I trust that you like them a lot and from your edits, you are not willing to lose all of the work you put in. I urge you to vote "Keep", as 3 weeks of work are about to go down the drain! Thanks. (and tell other active contributors.) --] <sup></font>]]</sup>/<sub></nowiki>]</font></sub> 20:33, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

== Olympic conventions debate ==
Hi all! The debate on Olympic conventions has been moved and is now under the auspices of ]. We are now trying to decide what to do with all of the data that has been collected and start some sort of "governance". If you'd like to take part in this discussion, feel free to ] (the WikiProject talk page). We would appreciate your help! --]]] <sup></font>]]</sup>/<sub></nowiki>]</font></sub> 20:01, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

== Re: AfD ==

Hi Kalsermar. Thanks for alerting me. I too saw that on his user page and figured it would only be a matter of time before he made a page. Anyway, I voted delete (obviously). So did you hear anything about the sockpuppets of his? I just went to ] and looked in the archives and I didn't see anything about the heading I added for medalstats. That's weird that its gone. Oh well. He hasn't edited on any of the others recently, so whatever. Thanks, again. ]&ensp;]]]&ensp;<sup style='margin-right:-20pt'>]<span class="plainlinks"><font color="silver"></font></span></sup> <sub>]</sub>&ensp; 20:47, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
:Oh, I guess I didn't see that. Well it doesn't matter anymore becuase he's not editing with those. ]&ensp;]]]&ensp;<sup style='margin-right:-20pt'>]<span class="plainlinks"><font color="silver"></font></span></sup> <sub>]</sub>&ensp; 20:57, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

== Re:Astronomical names ==

#That Messier 60 thing was an acident.
#That galaxy was named the ]!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
&mdash; '''<font color="green">]</font><font color="blue">]</font><font color="blue">]</font><font color="blue">]</font>''' @ 20:18, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

==]==
Do you still think this article should be deleted? ] 19:54, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
:In its current form most definitely. If the article gets deleted and then perhaps rewritten in a NPOV and encyclopaedic way with sources then it would be fine but the current article is utterly deletable.--] 15:22, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
::Wait a minute... did you look at the article again? ] 18:53, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
:::Yes I have. Right now there's one and a half paragraph there that actually deals with the subject.

== ] ==

The edit in question was about Nigel Bond, not Jimmy White. I assume you meant to put Bond in your edit summary. Bond had not beaten Hendry in the World Championship since 1995. "It can be said" of course, is a weasel word. --] 14:59, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
:What I meant was that it wasn't the first time in 16 years that Hendry lost in the first round as I seem to recall he lost to White in the first round not all that long ago. You are correct that Bond had not beaten Hendry.--] 14:49, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

==Const article is about the TEXT itself==
all facts are from the text. ] 14:40, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

:Perhaps you could improve the format but there are quirky things in the actual text. ] 14:46, 15 May 2006 (UTC) Letters of marque and reprisal for instance. What are they? ] 14:46, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
::I was not disputing the accuracy of the facts you included, I am disputing whether they belong in an encyclopaedia.--] 14:48, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

== 1514 ==

Does the fact that 1514 has a nebula around it disqualify it as a star? ] 12:00, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
:Well, in a way yes. NGC 1514 is a ] which consists of a star with a nebula around it but the designation NGC 1514 describes, for all intents and purposes, just the nebula. If you know what the designation of the star itself is, together with its magnitude than that would be appropriate to include in the list of stars, otherwise I would include the object under the subsection ''notable deep sky objects''.--] 17:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

==Why just Scorpio??==
Why do you remove all the basic astrological information from Scorpio and not the other astrology pages like Libra or Sagittarius? Is this like a vendetta against an ex-girlfriend or something?
Why not just take it all out, or just leave it all in?
] 18:00, 31 May 2006 (UTC)]]
:First off, I would like to request you change your tone of language. Secondly, I take irrelevant information out of those I come across and Scorpius happens to be on my watchlist right now. If and when I find it elsewhere I will take the same course of action as imho ] information does not belong in these scientific articles about ] subjects.--] 17:40, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

== This person is a sock puppet for Fraser Cain ==

Stop vandalising the Universe Today page Fraser. Your behaviour is contemptible. You do not have a patent on the title Universe Today and you have no right to monopolise the wikipedia page. End the masquerade.
:I suggest you take these accusations ] '''with''' hard evidence to back it up. when these accusations are summarily dismissed, as they will be, a quick look at my contributions would suffice, I expect an apology in this space. In the mean time I strongly suggest you not post your tirades on my talk page. I do not take kindly to being accused of vandalism and I ''sill'' report it to administrators if it happens again. One last thing, if you are so certain of your case then why didn't you sign your post so that everyone can see who it is that made these remarks. All it takes is typing four tildes (~).--] 14:06, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

== Request for investigation of User:UniverseToday ==

Hi Kalsermar. You have been active in reverting from linkspam posted by ]. I've discovered a systematic pattern of this activity, and posted a request for investigation of ] at ], if you're interested in taking a look. Thanks. - ] <small><font color="green">(]/]/])</font></small> 03:24, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks Reaverdrop, for the heads up on this. I also noticed that ] is now claiming that I am Fraser Cain, which is of course ridiculous, and has posted as such on my user talk page. Thanks agin for letting me know of the RfI.--] 13:47, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

==Dates==
It is indeed a ''guideline'' to link only the first occurrence of a link, except where style dictates otherwise. However dates that include the month and day number will format differently according to user preferences, and hence should almost always be linked thus ] ] (]) - bare months, years, days of the week, seasons or centuries should almost never be linked. ''] ]'' 15:43 ] ] (GMT).

:Hi, Kalsermar. You may be interested in my handy 'Dates' tab that reduces unnecessary date links. If you want to try it, simply copy the entire contents of ] to ]. Then follow the instructions in your monobook to clear the cache (i.e. press Ctrl-Shift-R in Firefox, or Ctrl-F5 in IE) before it will work. This will give you 'Dates' tab in edit mode. If you press this tab, it will propose a removal of date links. You then simply accept or reject the proposed edit of the article. It also provides a 'Units' tab.

:Feel free to try it out on articles in your watchlist. It is compatible with what Rich says. Regards. ] 18:09, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

== The endless sock puppets of Universe Today ==

] - it's not just the ] article, he is definitely still vandalizing as actively as ever, after at least four sock puppets have been "banned indefinitely", under the very well established IP sock of {{vandal|203.10.59.63}}, as well as the unregistered username {{vandal|Yales}}. His edit summaries are routinely deceptive, such as mimicking the edit summaries he has seen so often against himself like , as well as offensively deceptive, such as for a null edit, William Pietri being one of the anti-vandals who has been trying to clean up after him. I know Jimbo likes to say that most vandal problems are resolved within a few days, but this vandal has been persisting under a horde of sock puppets for weeks, as you are familiar with. I mentioned that IP sock in ] two weeks ago, as you know, and despite the registered usernames in the RfI being blocked, nothing has really changed. What does it take to convince the admins to block an IP address? Anyway, thanks for your diligence on this. - ] <small><font color="green">(]/]/])</font></small> 09:30, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
:Hi again - I have discussed this a little with ] and added a blurb to ]. - ] <small><font color="green">(]/]/])</font></small> 12:02, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
::Reaverdrop, thanks for keeping me posted on this. Hopefully the situation will be resolved quickly. Thanks again,--] 14:46, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

==M93==
Greetings. You added the spatial radius of ] rather peculiarly as "12-12 light years". Maybe you might wish to change that? ] 22:59, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks for pointing that out Wikiborg, I've changed it to what I menat it to say, namely 10 to 12 light years. Thanks!--] 00:38, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

== Re: requested input ==

Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I was forced to reblock him. I was initially hoping to unblock him, but his past behavior is too concerning. I will let another administrator unblock if he desires. — ] ] 05:21, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

== Re: ] ==

Sorry, didn't mean to add a duplicate link to Heinlein's Variable Star novel... but the Variable Star page doesn't link to Heinlein's page, as you state that it does... am I missing something? — ] ] 30 July 2006
:You are missing a capital letter. ] redirects to the novel, ] is the astronomical phenomenon.--] 18:29, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

== Bad Astronomy Names ==

You may be interested in looking at http://www.seds.org/messier/m-names.html . This SEDS website appears to be the source of many of the strange names for astronomical sources used on Misplaced Pages, albeit not all of them. Note the contributors' names on the SEDS page.

It seems like http://www.seds.org was generally copied to create a lot of the clusters, nebulae, and galaxies pages on Misplaced Pages. I wonder if the SEDS people themselves helped to create the Misplaced Pages entries or if someone simply plagarized the material wholesale.

Alas, the SEDS website is not the only source of bad astronomy names. I see that you have already encountered the "]" and the "]". I also dislike the names "Bode's Galaxy" and "Cigar Galaxy" being used for ] and ], and I may attempt to move both of those pages in the future.] 18:35, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks for those links. I recognize at least one of the contributors on the first link as the now banned Misplaced Pages user (look at the vacuum cleaner galaxy for the name). On the subject of M81 and M82, I would certainly support a move to Messier 81 and 82 respectively.--] 19:12, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

==Deletions==
I am trying to remain level-headed here. What can I say, which has not already been said. Please refrain from deleting large portions of text from ]. You have never contributed a single word to this article. Your only contribution thus far has been to start a AfD and delete large sections. If you do not find these particular examples to be terrorism, find sources which back up your POV, otherwise a revert war will start. I do not want a revert war, and I have attempted to do everything to stop this. ] (]) 00:55, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
:I expect the implication of vandalism on my part to be removed from this message forthwith or I will take this further.--] 01:01, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
::You lost the ], now you continue to delete large portions of the article. You have contributed zero, zelch, nada, nothing to this article. Your only contributions involve large deletions. You also continue to ignore my questions on the talk page. Lets use wikipolicy the way you use wikipolicy: '''Vandalism is any addition, deletion, or change to content, made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of the encyclopedia.''' Further: '''Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism. Apparent bad-faith edits that do not make their bad-faith nature inarguably explicit are not considered vandalism at Misplaced Pages. For example, adding a personal opinion once is not vandalism — it's just not helpful, and should be removed or restated.''' The key word is '''good faith'''. There has been no good faith effort for you to improve this article. None. You have added nothing to this article. Have you even added a tag, other than the AfD tag? You lost the AfD, now you will lose this edit war, because your deletions are contrary to everything that wikipedia stands for. You have added nothing. I already have requested that the page be protected, have been attempting to negotiate where this article will go in the future, have ask real conservative editors to join in editing, and will shortly request a mediator. You lost the AfD, no amount of deletions will change this. The article will stay, and it will grow. You are an impedement to the articles progress, you are attempting to delete the article section by section, since you lost the AfD, this is not good faith. Your inability to work to build consensus has led to this state we find ourselves in. ] (]) 02:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

==Suggestions to help==
I noticed your edits to admins. I wrote the following in response on these two pages:

:Hi admin, sorry to drag you into this. This users request was ignored by everyone but ] on ], who recommended a RfC, which I have started. I also started mediation, and ask two other mediators I worked with before to mediate the article.

:], If you feel that I have treated you unfairly, and you need support, I strongly suggest an advocate , they have helped me and others before: ]. You can also e-mail those who share your POV on the disputed page and work on strategies to counter my work. You are not alone on wikipedia.

:Sorry again admin for bothering you.] (]) 02:13, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

==Resolution==
There is truly nothing that we could do to resolve this, is there? Maybe I shouldn't have been so agressive on the AfD. It probably caused a lot of hard feelings. I hestitate about how much to say to you, because at this point, I worry that anything I say will somehow be used against me, but here it goes:

I have worked on a lot of articles which have been deleted by people who have a certain ideology. My ideology is shuned and hated by a majority of editors, especially American editors. I have learned to fight back, with the same tricks that administrators and veternan wikipedians use: wikipedia policy. I have also learned how to out reference my opponents. Why, because the only way my hated POV will stay on wikipedia is if it is exhastively referenced. I have learned this the hard way. Even articles which I wrote in which every sentence is referenced get deleted, by editors who use the same tactics as you and others have used.

I used to be a patriotic American, like most Americans here, except I saw 9/11 in Ukraine, and had Arab friends. I could not understand why they hated us so much, so I began to study. And long story: here I am, with a hated ideology.

I think that once this article's inflammatory name is changed, which is causing a lot of problems, I think there is room for both of our views on this page. A good majority of the world hate America. There are reasons for this, documented, verifiable reasons, which I feel belong on wikipedia. You may disagree. I welcome this disagreement, and welcome your contributions to the article. Like I mentioned, I invited another conservative editor to edit this page. ] is the best conservative editor on wikipedia, because he verifies every word he says. He has a strong POV like me, but I respect how he uses this POV: instead of simply deleting sections of articles ''(although he does delete whole referenced sections occasionally--which has caused a lot of bad feelings from me),'' he researches the topic and becomes the most knowlegable person on the subject on wikipedia. It is terrifying to go up against him, and we have had some real big fights. I noticed in your edits that you have done a lot of astronomy articles, but few political articles. Political articles are more emotionally intense and harder to edit. If you come away from this experience with anything, let me give you one word: Research, research, research. I have gone up against the most fearsome conservative editors and out researched them and won major conssesions, time after time.

I don't know. I feel bad that you are reaching out for help and no one is helping. I am a third year law student and have argued thousands of hours on political pages for years, I spend more time debating subjects on the internet than doing anything else. As I mentioned, I have gone up against the most fearsome conservative editors and out researched them and won major conssesions, time after time. So don't feel bad about how I use your words against you, use wikipedia policy against you, and ultimatly get you angry. My political views and my thirst for knowledge, and my interest in politics, have made me to be this way. I know that sounds arrogant, sorry if it does. I just want to say: don't let my debate tactics get you down. I have managed to piss off everyone on wikipedia, conservative and liberal alike, you haven't been singled out. Just write me off as an asshole. I have found that people I don't get along with, usually everyone else doesn't get along with them for the same reason.

Anyway, is there anyway I can get you to stop deleting large parts of the article? I admit readily it is POV. I want your help in making it less POV.

I work hard in making my edits excellent and exhastively researched, and it really hurts my feelings when someone deletes all of my hard work. Every law student has to write a paper to graduate. I did mine on Colombia. Every word had to be researched and backed up. In a 50 page article, 25 pages were footnotes, my article had over 200 footnotes. I write wikiarticles like I wrote my law school paper. Everytime someone deletes large portions of wikiarticles I helped write, it is like someone threw away my law school paper, saying, "this is garbage". I know wikipedia policy, that every word can be edited, but this doesn't help how I feel.

Once during a AfD on one of my new articles, which started in the middle of me writing the article, I wrote that I felt like I was in a warm bath and someone had dragged me out and beat me. One asshole responded that wikipedia is not a warm bath. No shit sherlock. I was simply attempting to explain how frustrating my experience was, and this user, basically said: fuck you, I don't care. I hope after writing this you simply don't say "fuck you I don't care". I don't expect you to agree with anything I write or believe, but I simply ask for understanding and respect of were I am coming from.

Anyway, sorry so long.02:48, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

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