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Implementation of policy

As it is non-negotiable to work with policy, it might be an idea to kick off with one, which is easy, namely VERIFY. I wonder if there is any material in the article which is not verified with a reliable source, as any editor is entitled to remove that. The page is protected at the moment, but you can copy and paste anything you want to remove, which is not verified ,onto this page, so that will give someone else to a chance to find a source for it. Tyrenius 02:13, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, if anyone wants to keep the statements listed as not verified, please provide a verifiable reference underneath each one individually. If there is an existing reference in the article which covers it, you can of course use that. Tyrenius 14:06, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

I did not find verification for these inclusions;

• Intro;

• "Canadian scholar" and
  • Well, he is certainly a Canadian citizen who is a scholar. Did you want a cite on the Canadian citizen part or the scholar part?
• "had to give up this position"
  • Cite here.

• Background;

• "Ignatieff is fluent in both English and French, and has a basic knowledge of Russian"
  • "English and French" cited here
• "As a high school student, he worked for Lester B. Pearson, canvassing the York South riding for the 1965 election. He continued his work for the Liberal Party in 1968, as a national youth organizer and party delegate for the Pierre Elliot Trudeau campaign."
  • Pearson/Trudeau facts cited here.
• "where he studied under the well-known historian and philosopher Isaiah Berlin,"
• "From 1964 to 1965, Ignatieff worked as a journalist at The Globe and Mail newspaper."
  • No dates, but G&M cited here
• "He went on to teach at the University of British Columbia from 1976 to 1978."
  • Check here.
• "where he held a Senior Research Fellowship at King's College, Cambridge until 1984. He then left Cambridge for London, where he began to focus on his career as a writer and journalist. During this time, he travelled extensively. He also continued to lecture at universities in Europe and North America, and held teaching posts at the Oxford, the University of London, and the London School of Economics, as well as the University of California and in France."
  • Cambridge cited here
• "Ignatieff has seven honorary doctorates to his name."
  • Check here.
• "married to Hungarian-born Zsuzanna M Zsohar" Ottawaman 13:42, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Cited here. --Hamiltonian 14:19, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Suggestions

Not to jump ahead but I have a few suggestions I wanted to get down as I may be away from a computer for awhile;

Controversies section

• 1; basically that the "controversies"section be put back to

this which was arrived at after much discussion and compromise,imo.

• A;that the "controversies" section include Iggy's own comments regarding his time away from Canada in the national self-identity sub-section.
• B; that the Ukrainian controversy be put back as it was a very big deal and still is.

• 2; that the opponent sites subsection be reincluded in External Links since the article offers links to Iggy's campaign offices.Ottawaman 13:29, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

1.a) Since the section already sufficiently deals with critics' concerns about Ignatieff's absence from Canada, and the quote about being a martian outsider is neither a response to those criticisms nor a source of controversy (ie. the media hasn't picked up on this quote either as an admission that Ignatieff is out of touch with Canada, nor as a rebuttal to such claims), I don't think it's necessary to include in an already overlong article.

1.b) This issue has been moved into the Political career section. I think that's appropriate, since it only emerged as a point of controversy in the context of Ignatieff's nomination. If some of the content from the original Ukranian-Canadian section should be reintroduced, it could be added succinctly to the Political career section.

2. I see no reason to exclude the opponents' sites section. If it were put to a vote, I'd vote to include. —Joel Bastedo 15:07, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

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