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Brother

Why is there this sentence about his brothers illness? How is this even marginal relevant to the person bio? prokaryotes (talk) 12:48, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

read the source. it was important on a few levels. Jytdog (talk) 14:08, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes, republished under peer-review

To say the article 'was not peer-reviewed' when republished in the journal Environmental Sciences Europe, is an absurdity, and shows the writer does not understand science. Those scientists at the Environmental Sciences Europe, are independent peer-reviewers of the peer-reviewed research. They checked it, it was properly conducted. That's peer-review. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Two Wrongs (talk • contribs) 04:48, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

• Not exactly. According to Nature, "ESEU conducted no scientific peer review, he adds, “because this had already been conducted by Food and Chemical Toxicology, and had concluded there had been no fraud nor misrepresentation.” The role of the three reviewers hired by ESEU was to check that there had been no change in the scientific content of the paper, Hollert adds." Everymorning (talk) 14:23, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Awards

I noticed this content has been added recently. Over at the Seralini affair article, it was decided not to include the source.. The main concern was WP:WEIGHT as the group giving the award was not prominent enough for sufficient weight on Misplaced Pages and can be considered undue promotion of the subject per WP:BLPFRINGE. Kingofaces43 (talk) 23:44, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

While i agree this honor does not belong on the Seralini Affair article, it belongs in this article, since it it's the persons page. Removing it is very silly way to enforce his own views.The Federation of German Scientists was founded 1959 by Carl Friedrich von Weizsäcker, member of one of the most prominent German families. It doesn't get much more prominent then this. prokaryotes (talk) 23:53, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

The source is used on other pages as well, see for instance here https://en.wikipedia.org/Edward_Snowden#German_.22Whistleblower_Prize.22 prokaryotes (talk) 00:34, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

RFC regarding Awards/Honor section

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Recently admin JzG (also known under the nickname Guy) (DIF) and editor Kingofaces43 (DIF), removed the mention of Seralini as the recipient of the 2015 German Whistleblower Prize. JzG has concerns with a primary source, which has been addressed, and you can read Kingofaces43 opinion about his removal action in above section. Currently this BLP article includes 2 paragraphs on controversies, the lede as well mentions the Seralini Affair. Therefore the article gives undue weight to related controversies and his critics, when award/honor/recognition are left out. prokaryotes (talk) 01:31, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

• 1. Do you support the inclusion of an award/honor/recognition section?

Do not include. Undue. As it was included it was also a mini coatrack for the jury's inexpert opinion that Séralini was on to something. If he gets a substantial award, or if there's substantial coverage of an award then things would be different of course. Alexbrn (talk) 07:27, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

We have a content dispute and 5 minutes later you post unsupportive on all my recent edits. Now i must ask, what is a substantial award for you? This award goes back until 1999, coverage in print and online media, is used on other WP pages. prokaryotes (talk) 08:24, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Ordre national de la Légion d'honneur, Nobel Prize etc ... or lesser awards with good coverage. And it seems this award is on "other WP pages" because you're adding it (not that OTHERSTUFF should determine what we do here). Alexbrn (talk) 08:33, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Again, look at the page of Edward Snowden, which you can read also in above section, and what i was referring to. How hard is it to not read that when you edit here? prokaryotes (talk) 08:38, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Well for Snowden there is reasonably significant mainstream media coverage of the award, which is why it's due. Here, not. Alexbrn (talk) 08:43, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

• Do not include unless we have reliable independent sources establishing the significance of the awards and the nature and significance of the awarding bodies (which do not appear to me to be notable). Guy (Help!) 08:45, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

• Comment There are now independent sources, from the German main stream media which covered the award discussed here. FAZ, SZ, ZEIT, ARD, SWRprokaryotes (talk) 09:20, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Excellent. Zeit online is a strong source (the others are more parochial). It could be used to support something like this, which also keeps us clean in WP:FRINGE terms:

In 2015 Séralini was awarded the "whistleblower" award by the Federation of German Scientists. Die Zeit noted the irony of this, commenting that Séralini was not a whistleblower but an "anti-GMO activist who leads a campaign by questionable means", and compared him unfavorably to Edward Snowden, the award's co-recipient, whom Die Zeit thought an example of a genuine whistleblower.

- Alexbrn (talk) 09:29, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Notice that DS and 1RR apply to this page

Per the recent Arb case: Genetically modified organisms, all related pages are subject to discretionary sanctions and a strict 1 RR. I noticed that JzG (talk · contribs) has made more than 1 revert in this article today and made numerous reverts to other articles in the topic area today and yesterday. There may have been other editors who crossed that boundary as well - Please follow the restrictions that Arb has put in place for this topic area, or editors could find themselves sanctioned at AE. Thank you, Minor4th 08:35, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

I don't think I have made more than one revert. I'm just cleaning up some stuff that has no reliable independent sourcing, per WP:FRINGE. Guy (Help!) 08:44, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Whatever your rationale, you have made more than one revert. Just keep in mind that even if your edits are "correct" - you are still subject to 1RR like everyone else. And for the record, I think a revert is removing content from an article. But I will look it up to be sure. Minor4th 08:54, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

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