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	{{od}} {{ping\|Rick Alan Ross}} I have told you <em>at least three times</em> that I was incorrect in my idea to cut the lead, why the information needs to stay, and that <em>I would not be cutting the lead</em>. Please drop it. <p>If there is an error of fact please let me know, on the article talk page, what it is along with a ] which documents the error and I will be happy to correct it. ]] 13:43, 2 October 2015 (UTC)		{{od}} {{ping\|Rick Alan Ross}} I have told you <em>at least three times</em> that I was incorrect in my idea to cut the lead, why the information needs to stay, and that <em>I would not be cutting the lead</em>. Please drop it. <p>If there is an error of fact please let me know, on the article talk page, what it is along with a ] which documents the error and I will be happy to correct it. ]] 13:43, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
	:There are errors of fact and misleading edits being made and I am noting them on the article talk page. I realize that you are concerned with rules and proper procedure, which I am learning and using. But Cwobeel is editing to filter the facts and spin the bio as negatively as possible. The pattern of his edits and the tone of his comments at the article talk page demonstrate this. A few other editors that drop in to help him also seem to be doing the same. I think the the "not guilty" verdict was a glaring example. Cwobeel is doing quite a bit of editing and much of my comments on the article talk page are a direct response to his work.] (]) 12:18, 15 January 2016 (UTC)		:There are errors of fact and misleading edits being made and I am noting them on the article talk page. I realize that you are concerned with rules and proper procedure, which I am learning and using. But Cwobeel is editing to filter the facts and spin the bio as negatively as possible. The pattern of his edits and the tone of his comments at the article talk page demonstrate this. A few other editors that drop in to help him also seem to be doing the same. I think the the "not guilty" verdict was a glaring example. Cwobeel is doing quite a bit of editing and much of my comments on the article talk page are a direct response to his work.] (]) 12:18, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
			::Personally I think you are starting to do yourself more harm than good on the talk page. There was a group of good editors with diverse opinions who, over time and via normal Misplaced Pages editing, would have come up with an NPOV bio. You seem to have chased most of them away by dominating the talk page. Usually people work out differences in wording and sources - the "acquitted" issue is a good example. You see it as some attempt to make you look bad. Rather there was a source that was in conflict with others, as can happen, and it was worked out. People will take different views and you will likely see people who feel you are whitewashing your own bio take strong positions to insert that kind of material because they feel, rightly or wrongly the bio is unbalanced. Now, it seems to me, editors are just tired of your <em>constant</em> demands and poor understanding of the terms you through out. If you think something is cherrypicking or soapboxing or whatever say specifically why and then let other editors work it out. Do this with one issue at a time, do not respond to everything - let the others work it out - if you are constantly posting no one else will. <p> {{u\|Cwobeel}} is a very good editor. You practically <em>demanded</em> that he use those Chinese sources and then are upset that he summarized what they said. There is probably a better way to summarize the issue but I doubt anyone is going to work on it right now because you are arguing the issue and not giving others a real chance. If they are like me they are staying out of it because, as I warned earlier, it is becoming harder to see NPOV vs reacting to your ] behavior. If you look at our book notability guideline ] you will see <em>"Self-publication and/or publication by a vanity press do not correlate with notability"</em>. That informs editorial opinion about how significant a book is in a bio as well. If it is important in China then we need to say why it is and how it was presented/received to get over the presumption it is all but irrelevant for being self-published in English. <p> You often have good points but they are lost in the noise. Your BLP will never be finished because nothing on Misplaced Pages will ever be finished. You can turn it into a battleground and try to make it read the way you want but ultimately you will get banned. It might be a year from now but it will happen and, long term, that would be regrettable and a loss to the project. <p>You need to understand that you are so close to matters that you <em>can not</em> be neutral. Worse, many editors will see most of what you ask to be whitewashing, whether it is or not. Misplaced Pages is very concerned about following our BLP policy but there is a nearly as great antipathy for ] editors who are here to simply advance their POV and you will likely start to see that backlash more and more if you are unable to moderate your demands in quantity and tempo. I also suggest that you learn to compromise on smaller issues rather than pressing for "victory". My view over the months interacting with you is that you want things your way period and will push and push until you get it. That pushes editors away and sets up an environment where editors are reacting to you as much as or more than they to the issue. <p> You should consider going and editing some other articles here and/or reading through some talk pages of controversial BLP's so you can see that editors work very hard to make BLP's NPOV. There are often POV pushers, both positive and negative, but they sooner or later get the material ironed out. The more active editors working on a page the more NPOV it becomes so by creating an environment others do not want to deal with you are making it more not less likely negative material will stay for longer because there are less eyes and less points of view to work out tricky issues. Maybe seeing how things work on other pages will make you more confident in the process. Take a look at ] as an example of a very controversial BLP and how things were finally worked out.<p> One final note when "other editors drop in" and disagree with you and agree with the other editor it is what we call ]. If you have not read that do so, it is how we make all decisions on Misplaced Pages and is why I keep telling you to back off on the talk page. The more editors there are the better consensus is and the more likely the article will actually be NPOV. When there are only a few editors in conflict articles can become toxic as yours is well on the way to becoming. <p> Well, another final note, you must accept that the article is going to say things you neither like, agree with nor think are fair or even accurate. There are a lot of sources out there that have pretty negative things to say about you. I have bought several of the ones that have been discussed, including your book, to read when I have more time and to work on the article when I am more confident in being neutral. You also need to understand that all of those comments in the press you make do not really contribute to your notability, only what is written <em>about</em> you matters. That is why people are insisting you are notable as a "deprogrammer" <small>(or whatever)</small> not for being a "cult expert" <small>(or whatever)</small> It is very hard to see others write about your life because the world never sees us as we see ourselves. That is very hard for even private individuals to deal with and must be immeasurably worse for people with a large and controversial media footprint. <p> I have written much more than I intended and I am out of time to proofread it. I hope it makes some sense to you. Enjoy your weekend! ]] 16:44, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

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Hi Thanks for editing and guiding me with regards to Misplaced Pages pages , wanted to understand when can i submit a page to Misplaced Pages or how to publish an article in Misplaced Pages Avi130988 (talk) 19:34, 4 May 2015 (UTC)Avi130988

@Avi130988: The article you are writing now is live on Misplaced Pages it is published the instant you create the article in Main space. That is why you see people working on it at the same time as you are. A lot of new editors use Misplaced Pages Articles for Creation to get input on their article and have it formally reviewed by an experienced editor before it is published to Main space. I hope this answers your question, if I did not or you need something else please let me know. Cheers. Jbh 19:50, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

16-line format sample messages

Thank you for including some sample messages in the talk page. I'm a Ham operator, not military, so am just now learning the format.

I moved your samples into a table, and added a voice (ACP-125) version. Can you proof this to make sure I got everything in the right format line? I'm pretty sure I blew a couple of them. Peter K. Sheerin 22:12, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

@Peter K. Sheerin: Wow! The article looks great. You have done a lot with it since I first looked at it. I would be glad go over the table. It might take me a day or so. I need to take a look at the standards documents to be sure of line numbering/naming since I either write out messages from memory/templates or have a terminal that spits them out. Although on first glance I see a couple of things. It should be made clearer in the 126/127/127-sup format is the TO and INFO lines are one call sign/RI per line. For instance:

TO: XXX9YYY AAA
XXX9ZZZ AAA
XXX7WWW BBB
INFO: YYY6UUU BBB
PPP6GGG AAA
TTT6HHH CCCC

Rather than:

TO: XXX9YYY AAA, XXX9ZZZ AAA, XXX7WWW BBB
INFO: YYY6UUU BBB, PPP6GGG AAA, TTT6HHH CCCC

That seems to just be a formatting issue with how long my example texts are though. In the examples I gave there is no group count because that is generally only specified in CODRESS messages but the line is there. The from line also generally has a routing indicator, I probably just forgot it in the example. Something I am not sure if is in the standard or not is the classification line is also used to specify SERVICE (Operator to operator) message types as well as classification. In that case it would read CLASSIFICATION SVC rather than CLASSIFICATION. On line 4 the ZRN UUU is a security warning which is an example of an HI/OP SIG. It was put in automatically when I made the example and can be removed if you like.

The standards vary some between agencies and services. For instance the US State Department is a little different from US Military (US State Dept - ACP-127 FORMAT LINES). The samples I gave is what my terminal spits out and is how US Army and Army MARS format things. I am also an amateur radio operator and volunteer with Navy MARS, our format is slightly different, mainly in routing indicator and DTG. Some formats use the Julian Day Number in the header as well.

One comment, off the top, is you might want to reconsider some of the listed documents, they do not really have anything to do with the message format itself. For instance, if I remember correctly, FM 11-490-7 is the document which creates and tasks MARS but it has none of our operating procedures. Many, if mot most of the documents listed seem to be like that.

I think it would be very interesting to go through some of the old documents to see how the standard changed over time and how it varies in implementation. Great job! Please let me know if I can help in any other way. I will get back to you on the table soon. Jbh 23:34, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

@PetesGuide: Looks like i pinged the wrong account. Also see notes on article talk page. Jbh 01:35, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

@Jbhunley: Thanks for the compliments! I wanted to get this format documented before too many more people forget proper message exchange procedures, like the folks who thought ICS-213 was suitable as a radio message form. ;-) I populated the references with every manual I thought might be relevant, and will whittle them out as I keep working on the article. Yeah; formatting plain text in table cells is un-fun. I need to add some HTML line breaks in there. Already know of the State Dept. manual, but am loathe to try to decode its cryptic content.

DE K6WEB
Peter K. Sheerin 21:47, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Youch! I am fearfully amazed at some ARES/RACES organizations training and capabilities. The ICS does not really consider formal, digital message traffic and Amateur Operators kind of need to make do when dealing with served agencies who are more used to filling out 'While You Were Out' message forms than documenting their message traffic. Of course the hams should be converting everything to RADIOGRAM format before sending but many of the examples I have seen just use the ICS 213 blank in FLMSG. There is no uniformity of training and procedures across jurisdictions. That is one of the main reasons I prefer to work with MARS, there is at least a base line of training and expertise.

I wrote a quick extract of a couple of lines from DOS on the talk page . If something like that would help you please let me know. PS Just FYI your call sign might give out more personal information than you intend ie QSL. If it does you can have WP:OVERSIGHT remove it from public view. Jbh 00:03, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Faculty of Chemistry of Lodz University of Technology

I'm sorry for my incorrect revert of this article. I did not see a decision placed on top. On plwiki I'm used to place/found it at the bottom of AfD. I don't understand also the erasing all information with a redirection without first merging. Well, I see the specifics of enwiki. Regards, Chrumps (talk) 19:56, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

@Chrumps: No problem. Yes, on enwiki AfD close summaries are placed at the top. The history is still available for later use such as adding some information to the main article or if the topic later becomes notable. In general we do not have articles on University Faculties/Departments/Colleges unless they are notable in and of themselves as institutions. Anyway, enjoy editing on enwiki, I am sure it is going to be different than dewiki but I am sure you will catch on fast. Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions or need any assistance. Cheers. Jbh 22:41, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

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Colors

Hi, I ask some opinion by your part on these discussions: Template talk:Union, Progress and Democracy/meta/color and Template talk:People's Party (Spain)/meta/color, because the user Impru20 doesn't want to change the color, even when I give references that states what is the real color used by these parties. He says that he want to discuss that, but he doesn't realised about the references. Regards. --Sfs90 (talk) 15:04, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

@Sfs90 and Impru20: As requested I took a look at the discussion on the above two articles. Again, like the prior discussion, I see little difference between the colors. In my opinion any time the color is referenced it should be the same as in the party's published style guide. However, as Impru20 mentioned on Template talk:Union, Progress and Democracy/meta/color there are sometimes technical issues which require another close colour to be used. In that case proper display of the graphic is more important than adhering slavishly to the style guide so long as it looks right.

TL;DR If we are stating the color used by the party we say what their style guide says ie the template should reflect the style guide. If we are creating graphics a consistent look (cf perceptual changes because of nearby colours) is more important. I am unfamiliar with how party colours are handled on Misplaced Pages in general so this is simply my off the cuff opinion. If there is some customary practice I an unfamiliar with please let me know. Jbh 15:40, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

That's the problem, that no one had a "customary practice", it looks that someone created the templates and the colors only by personal feelings. I don't look any similarity between the colors of UPyD and PSOE (as Impru20 said), and Impru20 is complaining only because he created a lot of maps, graphics and things related, that if we change the color of the party, he had to change all of them. In this case, if he's too compromised with all the Wiki project, he would have the time to correct all that. In the same way, I don't look any reference by Impru20 that sustains his possition; he doesn't gave any reference that says the UPyD color is the one that was used in the template since some time ago. Regards. --Sfs90 (talk) 15:55, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

I'm complaining, among other things, because you are not even caring to discuss the issue before going on to push your edits forwards, which really annoys me. How much does it cost you to TALK? You have had several warnings by several users in the past because of your edit warring behaviour, and far from changing, you still keep maintaing the same behaviour.

Now, on the issue itself: Sfs90, you before put forward some arguments to defend changing to a given color; now you want to change them to other different shades of those colors! So, before, you defended the logo colors; now you want to use the colors set in the manuals of style (something which, by the way, most parties don't even have). Do you realize I'm at the behest of a user who is constantly changing opinion and goes on to change colors using different arguments each time? How many times do you suggest I should change maps, charts and the such? Everytime you feel like to change the colors? Furthermore, the current colors are fine, and most of them are so established so as to keep armony within charts, graphics and maps. What's the necessity of changing the color templates, just because you feel like it, and disestablishing the entire consistency of colors in the charts? I'm really bothered of the little consideration you have for the work of others, that you don't even care to discuss with them.

Customary practice, usually, is to use the color shade that best fits for Misplaced Pages uses, rather than use the same exact shade the party uses (as long as the color is similar to the one used by either the party or the media). That is so because parties frequently don't keep using the same shade of a given color and keep changing it, within the range of different shades of their corporative colors. So, instead keeping constantly changing party colors (unless a given party changes from blue to red, to say an example), the color shade that best fits for Misplaced Pages purposes are frequently used. Sometimes that color may coincide with the exact shade used by the party, sometimes don't. Just check Christian Democratic Union of Germany, Syriza, Democratic Party of Japan, Labour Party (United Kingdom), Conservative Party (United Kingdom), Social Democratic Party of Austria, Forza Italia (2013), Socialist Party (France), Socialist Party (Portugal), Freedom Party of Austria, etc. Impru20 (talk) 16:23, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

@Impru20: You know what's the difference? That the templates or the color that is written in the infobox doesn't have any references about the color. In the case of UPyD and Citizens (not PP, i'll concede you that they could use different shades) I give very reliable sources (the graphics identity manual used by them), and I don't see any about that in the parties you mention as examples. You see? If they have or don't any manual that states their colors, that's not my fault. In the case of UPyD and Citizens, they have one and states clearly the color. The precission is a thing that we should consider here in Misplaced Pages, and if we have references that support that, we could apply it. Regards. --Sfs90 (talk) 16:49, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I have to support the position of least disruption here. If the colours on the charts are not obviously visually wrong then keep them. The only time I fee we must stick to a party's MOS is when we explicitly state what colour they use ie if we were to say X party uses #ABABAB in an place a reader would see whether or not we are actually using #ACABAB in our graphics. There is no reason to go changing pre-existing and consistent graphics unless they are visually problematic nor do I see a problem with making a clean break, keeping the old graphics as is and moving forward with the MOS colour in the future so long as at this point you select one colour and stick with it moving on. Jbh 16:59, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

@Sfs90: In the case of Citizens, you will see that I accepted your change without serious discussion. The only issue arising then was that the source was unclear on the color that they were using, but was solved by using the hex provided by the party (also because differences were minimal and weren't noticeable to the naked eye, either).

You just told it. "if we have references that support that, we could apply it". We "could", but we are not forced to.

Anyway, I may concede on changing colors of small parties that have strict manual of styles and whose colors do not damage consistency, specially because changes are not difficult (there are few charts were UPyD color should be changed in order to accomplish this, for instance). I'll have to make further tests on UPyD, but I could concede on changing it. But, definitely, changing the color of major parties, such as PP, which don't even clings on to the same color shades, would require serious discussion and consensus because it would mean serious and major changes in consistency in charts between the different election articles and the such.

However, next time you are to do something like this, if you see that the edit is disputed go and discuss the issue before trying to push your disputed edit forward. I tell you because you have these issues with many people, not just with me, and someday you may end up reported by someone who hasn't the patience I or others have. Impru20 (talk) 17:11, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Harassment

Whining and blustering by a user who should know better but obviously does not.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Will you kindly blank off and leave me alone? I'm sick of you stalking me round Misplaced Pages. You wasted a whole evening of mine recently with your gauche nonsense. Your behaviour is a kind of abuse masquerading as some kind of house cleaning. If this continues I shall be placing an official complaint against you. Especially when an article is UNDER CONSTRUCTION. Plenty of other things I'd like to say to you, but I'm sure people say them to you offline if you behave like this.-MacRùsgail (talk) 15:26, 15 May 2015 (UTC) @MacRusgail: I have done nothing to harass you, if you feel I have please open a complaint and present evidence of this. An article that has had no editing since its creation on 23 April is not under construction. Based on your history I see you are an experienced editor who should know our policies on reliable sources and notability. As before please simply show how the article passes WP:NBOOK, any sourcing would be better than the complete lack of sources in the article now. If you have gotten to the point in your Misplaced Pages career where being asked to comply with the policies and guidelines that we all must has become so stressful as to cause you to make these outbursts rather than fixing the indicated problems I strongly suggest you take a few months Wikibreak, regain some perspective, recharge and come back and continue your valuable contributions to the project. Jbh 15:47, 15 May 2015 (UTC) I am seriously considering a complaint against you. "If you have gotten to the point in your Misplaced Pages career" - I don't have a "career" on Misplaced Pages. No one pays me a single penny. You wasted an entire evening of mine earlier this year, and ignored tags I had put on an article. You apparently did not see the original tag, and attempted to backtrack. I had intended to spend a short time on Misplaced Pages, and then to sort out some offline matters, but was hindered from doing so by your maladroit manner. I come on here to improve Misplaced Pages, not to be antagonised by a small self-selecting officialdom, which makes up its own rules in obscure corners of the website without any kind of wide-ranging consent. "I strongly suggest you take a few months Wikibreak" - I strongly suggest you leave me alone. I have the right to edit Misplaced Pages without you or any other people trying to delete every article I create, before they are finished, and without just cause. I suggest you re-evaluate why you are on Misplaced Pages - you may have even had some kind of ideal once, I doubt. There was a question recently as to why more women do not edit Wikimedia. I think the answer is obvious, even to a man like myself. I've contributed a lot to Misplaced Pages. Not just rubbish, I resent your method of operation. People like you, and certain others, are destroying this website. If you actually get kicks out of behaving like this, well then you have my pity not my contempt. Again - stop putting my articles up for deletion until they are fully completed.-MacRùsgail (talk) 16:58, 16 May 2015 (UTC) MacRùsgail, I'm not sure why you're still continuing to complain instead of providing what every article needs - proof of notability. --NeilN 17:18, 16 May 2015 (UTC) @MacRusgail: Let me reply by collecting my response to your accusations and documentation of your actions in one place. As I said earlier, please take these matters to ANI if you feel I have acted improperly. Also, as I have said before, don't bluster and threaten - unless of course it makes you feel better - if so I am sorry that is the case but go right ahead and let off some steam. Maybe it will help you put our respective actions and responses in perspective. One thing I do want to make clear is any time you spend yelling at me via keyboard rather than improving an article is entirely your choice just as it has been all along. Re: Edward Adrift After proposing this article be made into a redirect on the talk page another editor redirected it to the author's page . Two weeks later yout reverted their edit without discussion and added {{under construction}} however you made no furhter edits to the page for a day and, in fact, have made no improvements to the article since the day you created it on 23 April. Twenty-nine hours later I removed the {{under construction}} and nominated the, completely unsourced, article for deletion Instead of providing sources to document notability or politely engaging on the talk page you then improperly moved article at AfD and improperly removed the AfD tag Nthep move propected page and added {{pp-vandalism}} due to your behavior. You of course know all of these things are wrong since during Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/The Fallow Season of Hugo Hunter you: Improperly removed the AfD tag Improperly removed the AfD tag again Then blanked the page and turned the article into a redirect while the AfD was ongoing My interaction with you you started with you doing a bit of light name calling , and moved on to accusing me of harassing you five times. Once on my talk page , twice on Talk:Edward Adrift and twice in edit summaries . All without backing it up with diffs or a complaint to ANI - see WP:AOHA for why that is bad. You have, however, threatened to do twice now. If you really think you have a legitimate complaint against me it is time for you to take it to ANI and we can present our diffs. I missed an {{under construction}} tag on an article almost a month ago and nominated a non-notable article too soon. Again, sorry. Your actions since then have been inappropriate and over the top and nothing has been done improperly on the current AfD are even more so. I took your accusation of going through your history as an invitation to look at some of the articles you created recently. I found a book with no sources showing notability - The Steps of the Sun - an un-referenced BLP - Marion Arnott - and five articles sourced only to SF Encyclopedia.com - Joseph Addison (Scottish writer), James Peddie (author), Robert Hendrie Wilson, Mea Allan, Ismar Thiusen. I really like science fiction so in the spirit of cooperation and moving beyond our conflict, maybe we can work together constructively to improve these articles. No question SF Encyclopedia is RS but WP:NAUTHOR requires more and it might be fun to see what there is on those people. Maybe you could point me to some of the sources you use since, based on your comments you do not like search engines. Jbh 21:06, 16 May 2015 (UTC) Which part of LEAVE ME ALONE do you not understand? This is harassment, and you have serious psychological issues of your own. Stop trawling through my edit history for something to latch on to. I don't spend all day going though yours. "The spirit of cooperation" - You evidently know nothing about this judging by your behaviour. Go back and crawl under your rock you pathetic little man, and stop trying to hide behind the rulebook. I don't give a damn about you. Is that plain enough for you? Go and get off on bothering one of the thousands of other editors here, instead of wasting my time.-MacRùsgail (talk) 17:23, 19 May 2015 (UTC) I've warned MacRusgail about making personal attacks. Suggest going to ANI if this continues. --NeilN 17:40, 19 May 2015 (UTC) Has it ever struck you that Jbhunley has been going about this the wrong way? I'm the one here who feels like I'm being stalked and harassed. Every time I go on to Misplaced Pages, this man (it almost certainly is a male) creates a new problem or issue, and you wonder why I'm not happy about it. This is not the spirit of co-operation, it's someone making an unhelpful nuisance of themselves. There are much better ways he could have conducted himself towards me. You probably need to redefine your notion of what a personal attack is. I'm been under attack by this person for days on any. Unfortunately on Misplaced Pages, it seems impossible to walk away unlike in real life.-MacRùsgail (talk) 17:45, 19 May 2015 (UTC) @MacRusgail: You could, you know, make sure your articles meet Misplaced Pages's basic policies. If you don't want to do that, try creating them in Draft space until they're ready. --NeilN 17:53, 19 May 2015 (UTC) @NeilN: I have addressed some of the other issues elsewhere, and don't wish to do so on this page, which has been tagged as "Whining and blustering by a user who should know better but obviously does not." (Presumably this isn't a "personal attack".) "If you don't want to do that, try creating them in Draft space until they're ready." - Or even tag them. Except that's not even safe either anymore. I've already had one item removed from my personal space. What's the point? "You could, you know, make sure your articles meet Misplaced Pages's basic policies." - I try to. And you know what else? When I see someone else's article which doesn't, I usually try and improve it, not get rid of it, unless it's something I think is complete trivia or vandalism. There's more I could say, but as I've told Jbhunley above, I don't have masses of time to spend on discussion, which is about all I've been able to do today. In the meantime, it would be better if some people considered what they were doing, instead of blundering in. Or even developing certain communication skills that would help with editing Misplaced Pages, instead of turning it into a form of sadomasochism.-MacRùsgail (talk) 18:07, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Whining and blustering by a user who should know better but obviously does not.

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

Will you kindly blank off and leave me alone? I'm sick of you stalking me round Misplaced Pages. You wasted a whole evening of mine recently with your gauche nonsense.

Your behaviour is a kind of abuse masquerading as some kind of house cleaning. If this continues I shall be placing an official complaint against you.

Especially when an article is UNDER CONSTRUCTION. Plenty of other things I'd like to say to you, but I'm sure people say them to you offline if you behave like this.-MacRùsgail (talk) 15:26, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

@MacRusgail: I have done nothing to harass you, if you feel I have please open a complaint and present evidence of this. An article that has had no editing since its creation on 23 April is not under construction. Based on your history I see you are an experienced editor who should know our policies on reliable sources and notability. As before please simply show how the article passes WP:NBOOK, any sourcing would be better than the complete lack of sources in the article now.

If you have gotten to the point in your Misplaced Pages career where being asked to comply with the policies and guidelines that we all must has become so stressful as to cause you to make these outbursts rather than fixing the indicated problems I strongly suggest you take a few months Wikibreak, regain some perspective, recharge and come back and continue your valuable contributions to the project. Jbh 15:47, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

I am seriously considering a complaint against you. "If you have gotten to the point in your Misplaced Pages career" - I don't have a "career" on Misplaced Pages. No one pays me a single penny. You wasted an entire evening of mine earlier this year, and ignored tags I had put on an article. You apparently did not see the original tag, and attempted to backtrack. I had intended to spend a short time on Misplaced Pages, and then to sort out some offline matters, but was hindered from doing so by your maladroit manner. I come on here to improve Misplaced Pages, not to be antagonised by a small self-selecting officialdom, which makes up its own rules in obscure corners of the website without any kind of wide-ranging consent.

"I strongly suggest you take a few months Wikibreak" - I strongly suggest you leave me alone. I have the right to edit Misplaced Pages without you or any other people trying to delete every article I create, before they are finished, and without just cause. I suggest you re-evaluate why you are on Misplaced Pages - you may have even had some kind of ideal once, I doubt. There was a question recently as to why more women do not edit Wikimedia. I think the answer is obvious, even to a man like myself.

I've contributed a lot to Misplaced Pages. Not just rubbish, I resent your method of operation. People like you, and certain others, are destroying this website. If you actually get kicks out of behaving like this, well then you have my pity not my contempt. Again - stop putting my articles up for deletion until they are fully completed.-MacRùsgail (talk) 16:58, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

MacRùsgail, I'm not sure why you're still continuing to complain instead of providing what every article needs - proof of notability. --NeilN 17:18, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

@MacRusgail: Let me reply by collecting my response to your accusations and documentation of your actions in one place. As I said earlier, please take these matters to ANI if you feel I have acted improperly. Also, as I have said before, don't bluster and threaten - unless of course it makes you feel better - if so I am sorry that is the case but go right ahead and let off some steam. Maybe it will help you put our respective actions and responses in perspective. One thing I do want to make clear is any time you spend yelling at me via keyboard rather than improving an article is entirely your choice just as it has been all along.

Re: Edward Adrift

After proposing this article be made into a redirect on the talk page another editor redirected it to the author's page . Two weeks later yout reverted their edit without discussion and added {{under construction}} however you made no furhter edits to the page for a day and, in fact, have made no improvements to the article since the day you created it on 23 April.
Twenty-nine hours later I removed the {{under construction}} and nominated the, completely unsourced, article for deletion
Instead of providing sources to document notability or politely engaging on the talk page you then improperly moved article at AfD and improperly removed the AfD tag
Nthep move propected page and added {{pp-vandalism}} due to your behavior.

You of course know all of these things are wrong since during Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/The Fallow Season of Hugo Hunter you:

Improperly removed the AfD tag
Improperly removed the AfD tag again
Then blanked the page and turned the article into a redirect while the AfD was ongoing

My interaction with you you started with you doing a bit of light name calling , and moved on to accusing me of harassing you five times. Once on my talk page , twice on Talk:Edward Adrift and twice in edit summaries . All without backing it up with diffs or a complaint to ANI - see WP:AOHA for why that is bad. You have, however, threatened to do twice now. If you really think you have a legitimate complaint against me it is time for you to take it to ANI and we can present our diffs.

I missed an {{under construction}} tag on an article almost a month ago and nominated a non-notable article too soon. Again, sorry. Your actions since then have been inappropriate and over the top and nothing has been done improperly on the current AfD are even more so.

I took your accusation of going through your history as an invitation to look at some of the articles you created recently. I found a book with no sources showing notability - The Steps of the Sun - an un-referenced BLP - Marion Arnott - and five articles sourced only to SF Encyclopedia.com - Joseph Addison (Scottish writer), James Peddie (author), Robert Hendrie Wilson, Mea Allan, Ismar Thiusen. I really like science fiction so in the spirit of cooperation and moving beyond our conflict, maybe we can work together constructively to improve these articles. No question SF Encyclopedia is RS but WP:NAUTHOR requires more and it might be fun to see what there is on those people. Maybe you could point me to some of the sources you use since, based on your comments you do not like search engines. Jbh 21:06, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Which part of LEAVE ME ALONE do you not understand? This is harassment, and you have serious psychological issues of your own. Stop trawling through my edit history for something to latch on to. I don't spend all day going though yours.

"The spirit of cooperation" - You evidently know nothing about this judging by your behaviour. Go back and crawl under your rock you pathetic little man, and stop trying to hide behind the rulebook. I don't give a damn about you. Is that plain enough for you? Go and get off on bothering one of the thousands of other editors here, instead of wasting my time.-MacRùsgail (talk) 17:23, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

I've warned MacRusgail about making personal attacks. Suggest going to ANI if this continues. --NeilN 17:40, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Has it ever struck you that Jbhunley has been going about this the wrong way? I'm the one here who feels like I'm being stalked and harassed. Every time I go on to Misplaced Pages, this man (it almost certainly is a male) creates a new problem or issue, and you wonder why I'm not happy about it. This is not the spirit of co-operation, it's someone making an unhelpful nuisance of themselves. There are much better ways he could have conducted himself towards me.

You probably need to redefine your notion of what a personal attack is. I'm been under attack by this person for days on any. Unfortunately on Misplaced Pages, it seems impossible to walk away unlike in real life.-MacRùsgail (talk) 17:45, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

@MacRusgail: You could, you know, make sure your articles meet Misplaced Pages's basic policies. If you don't want to do that, try creating them in Draft space until they're ready. --NeilN 17:53, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

@NeilN: I have addressed some of the other issues elsewhere, and don't wish to do so on this page, which has been tagged as "Whining and blustering by a user who should know better but obviously does not." (Presumably this isn't a "personal attack".)

"If you don't want to do that, try creating them in Draft space until they're ready." - Or even tag them. Except that's not even safe either anymore. I've already had one item removed from my personal space. What's the point?

"You could, you know, make sure your articles meet Misplaced Pages's basic policies." - I try to. And you know what else? When I see someone else's article which doesn't, I usually try and improve it, not get rid of it, unless it's something I think is complete trivia or vandalism. There's more I could say, but as I've told Jbhunley above, I don't have masses of time to spend on discussion, which is about all I've been able to do today.

In the meantime, it would be better if some people considered what they were doing, instead of blundering in. Or even developing certain communication skills that would help with editing Misplaced Pages, instead of turning it into a form of sadomasochism.-MacRùsgail (talk) 18:07, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

(Moving {{hab}} down a bit.) @MacRusgail: If you wish to engage with me please do so on the appropriate talk page or, if you like BOOMERANGS at ANI. Good day sir. Jbh 18:22, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Heh!

...that discipline does not always carry over to Misplaced Pages since I edit as a hobby and to relax.. You too? WTF is wrong with both of us? LOL! Montanabw 18:19, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

@Montanabw: LOL! Yes, maybe it is intellectual masochism :) ... I always find interesting people and topics which I might never have looked into when I edit Misplaced Pages and compared to RL it is almost impossible to get upset or angry for more than a few minutes here. Cheers! Jbh 21:35, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

FYI - Some of your CTU updates appear whitewashed.

The updates from 97.100.252.46 appear suspect. Providing an FYI as you've worked on the page in the past. http://en.wikipedia.org/Colorado_Technical_University

Best Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.47.11.193 (talk) 23:28, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

User talk:Conklinj

You appear to have warned Conklinj about the wrong article. I suspect that you meant Oil Content Meter rather than Oily water separator. I would have changed it myself but didn't want to incur the wrath of another editor complaining about re-factoring the comments of others!. Regards Velella 20:59, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

@Velella: Thank you for letting me know. I will add a note on their talk page. Cheers! Jbh 21:11, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

New Page Patrol

Hi. Thank you for patrolling new pages. When you tag articles as you did at Coordination Office for the Preservation of the Written Cultural Heritage, please consider using the message feature to inform the creator. 'Misplaced Pages is the encyclopedia can edit' often leaves new users with the impression that we do not have any rules or guidelines for article creation. Helping them by keeping them informed may help grow our contributor base. If you are not sure how to maximise the full potential of the Page Curation tool, don't hesitate to drop me a line. Cheers, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:32, 11 June 2015 (UTC}

@Kudpung: Will do. I thought the Curation Tool left messages about the issues. Does it only do that if you leave a note? I have some stock messages I edit for other issues so I can write a some for curation issues. Is there something other than WP:FIRST which gives a good one screen tutorial on article standards? (It is often hard to know the experience of an editor without checking them in XTools for every article, which seems excessive, and treating a non-newbie seems to get much worse responses.) If not I can draft one similar to User:Jbhunley/Common policy misunderstandings and User:Jbhunley/How to edit talk pages which I sometimes use for new users or possibly some two-line notes phrased as 'reminders'. Any suggestions? Jbh 13:54, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

@Kudpung:I see from looking at that user's talk page that it does not even seem to leave a 'patroled' message. Based on the note you left there would something like:

Hi, my name is XXXX. I have just read your new article YYYY and have notices some ways it needs to be improved to meet Misplaced Pages's standards. I have tagged the article with the specific issues. Please feel free to contact me on my talk page if you have any questions. You can also stop by The Teahouse where there are very friendly volunteers who can be a great help. Thank you for contributing to Misplaced Pages.

be an appropriate message? Any suggestions on wording? Jbh 14:07, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict)::You need to let the user know in your own words what you have tagged. It only leaves automated messages when the article is tagged for one of the forms of deletion or COPYVIO. If there is only one issue to be addressed I usually leave a short note with a link to the related guideline, such as for example: "Your article has a lot of naked URLs. I have cleaned up the firsrt few for you so that you can see how it's done, perhaps you could take a moment now to do the others. More help & info at WP:CITE" oherwise I often paste my standard message "Thank you for creating XXX. I have tagged the articles as having some problems, please consider returning to the article and addressing those issues." If you want to know exacttly the degree or tone your message should take, you can easily see the user's experience by clicking on the info button.

I know this all looks like a lot of work, but it is exactly what patrollers are supposed to be doing. For more information I recommend you also read WP:NPP and Misplaced Pages:Page Curation/Help. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:24, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

@Kudpung: OK. Thank you. Extra work is not really an issue. The whole purpose of the exercise is to pass otherwise unproductive time by doing something useful. Jbh 14:29, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Hamed Zarei for afd

Hi I need Some time please give me some time to I collect reference.

@Pepole made: As I mentioned on your talk page the AfD will run for at least seven days and I have no control over it beyond making the initial nomination. See my reply on your talk page for more information. Also please remember to sign your talk page posts with ~~~~ which will insert your user name and a time stamp. Jbh 19:33, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

@jbhunley Thank You so much. I will collect some reference. and I will Send it for you. Please Say other adminastraterstrators to dont delete my article to I collect some References.

@Pepole made: All you need to do is improve the article with the references. I am not an administrator here, just an editor like you. Also please remember to sign your talk page posts with ~~~~ which will insert your user name and a time stamp and read the 'How to edit talk pages' link I sent you. Other editors here respond much better when you communicate better. All anyone sees or knows about you here is how you present yourself when editing. Please take the time to learn how to do so properly. Cheers. Jbh 20:06, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

I find a good reference please dont delete my article

Link 1 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubme hamed zarei on sums.ac.ir @jbhunley — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pepole made (talk • contribs) 10:11, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

@jbhunley Thank You Very much, I add The references and I Delete The AFD massage, Becuse I talk to one of the Administrators and he said You Can Delete The AFD massage and I Delete it Please Dont Replace The AFD massage.

@Pepole made: No you are not allowed to delete the AfD message from the article. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:14, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

@Jbhunley:Hi

I have Found Some References to Improve the Hamed Zarei's Article. Link http://researchgate.net/profile/Hamed_Zarei8 The others will be sent as soon as possible.109.203.191.192 (talk) 12:59, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

@109.203.191.192: Thank you for the link. Unfortunately ResearchGate is not what we call a reliable source ie it is not published by an independent third party with a reputation for editorial control and fact checking. Also, please bring your sources to the talk page of the article so discussion can take place in a centralized location and other editors, who do not watch my talk page, will be able to contribute to the discussion. Cheers. Jbh 13:31, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Draft: Adi Hasak

Hi. thank you for your help in editing the page I started. I believe I fixed the problem and linked to a reliable source so I removed the edit - was there something else you were recommending I fix? Thanks in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhasak (talk • contribs) 13:10, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

@Jhasak: The citations are likely good enough to get rid of the BLPPROD but they are only bare mentions of the subject. What is needed are articles in independent, third party reliable sources which talk about the subject ie a major portion of the article is dedicated to the subject not just a quote or mention. Without that the article will fail our general notability guidelines as well as our more specific notability guidelines for authors. The article will be nominated for deletion unless notability notability can be verified

I know there are a lot of 'blue links' in the above but those are the policies and guidelines an article needs to meet for inclusion in Misplaced Pages. A good place to start is with 'Your first article'.

Based on your user name I need to ask if you have a conflict of interest with the article subject. If so you should restrict your editing to proposing edits and sources on the article talk page for other editors to consider. The reason for this is it is often difficult to maintain a neutral point of view when editing an article about yourself or someone you work with or are related to. You are, of course, free to participate in the deletion discussion if the article is nominated for deletion due to lact of notability.

I will keep the article on my watch list and see if enough coverage can be found. If you need anything you can leave a message on my talk page or, preferably, the article's talk page. Please remember to sign your talk page posts with ~~~~ which will insert your user name and a time stamp. You also might want to read this brief tutorial on editing talk pages. Cheers. Jbh 14:42, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

@Jhasak:PS you might consider moving the article to Draft:Adi Hasak since right now it is live on the site as Adi Hasak. If you do not object I can move it into Draft space for you. Jbh 14:45, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Hi,

Please check the links again. It references Adi Hasak as the creator of Shades of Blue and not simply as a cursory detail. There is no conflict of interest - all the information in there is reliable and objective. Getting more people to edit this as well soon. Thanks for your help .

Jhasak (talk) 14:54, 16 June 2015 (UTC)Jonathan

@Jhasak: Several things. First, thank you for signing your post however posting a comment on the top of a talk page rather than in its proper position id improper. It only takes a few minutes to learn the proper way to properly edit talk pages. I have asked you to do so several times. At this point I feel your not doing so to be disruptive and frankly disrespectful.

Second, you have stated earlier that Adi Hasak is your father. That is the very definition of a conflict of interest. You are understandably proud of your father and from what you have written he has done some really cool things. However, if the sources you have provided are all there are he simply does not meet our notability criteria. I have previously linked our notability guidelines and the requirements for independent, third party reliable sources that talk specificly about him. Please take the time to read them and understand how they apply to your article and its subject. As a COI editor you have a great advantage in that you can just ask your father where there is coverage about him. Regretfully if some better sources are not found I will nominate the article for deletion. Sometimes, as a result of the deletion discussion, other sources can be found which result in the article being improved and kept if it can be brought up to Misplaced Pages standards. Otherwise it will be deleted. Jbh 15:25, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Deleted page SDEWES Centre

Dear Jbh, I don't believe that the page should have been deleted, especially not so abruptly (during the night at my local time) - since it's not a citation from the page that was mentioned in nomination and also has references for every paragraph. The page also had more recent information in comparison to http://www.sdewes.org/home.php Eplaner (talk) 06:53, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

@Eplaner: I nominated the page for deletion because it was a copyright violation. Please see the deletion log entry. Misplaced Pages takes copyright very seriously. All articles must be written in your own words, not copied from another web site. Please see WP:COPYRIGHT for more information. The administrator who deleted the page is Jimfbleak who I have pinged. It typically requires agreement of at least two people that an article meets our criteria for speedy deletion for an article to be deleted, the nominator and the administrator who reviews the nomination and does the actual deletion.

If you have not done so you should familiarize yourself with Misplaced Pages's general notability guidelines and Misplaced Pages's notability guidelines for organizations which must be met before a subject qualifies for a Misplaced Pages article. You should also be familiar with what is a reliable source. If I can be of further help please let me know. You might want to consider our Articles for Creation process or visit the WP:TEAHOUSE where there are very friendly and capable volunteers who can help. Cheers. Jbh 09:49, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

@Eplaner:, The article was a copyright violation. Copyrighted text is not allowed in Misplaced Pages, as outlined in this policy. That applies even to pages created by you or your organisation, unless they state clearly and explicitly that the text is public domain. There are ways to donate copyrighted text to Misplaced Pages, as described here; please note that simply asserting on the talk page that you are the owner of the copyright, or you have permission to use the text, isn't sufficient. Because copyright is a legal issue, there is nothing to discuss, which is why it was speedied. The text was also was written in a promotional tone. Articles must be neutral and encyclopaedic, but the original had spammy claims of success and importance. I made

Talk:InterContinental Asiana Saigon.

Thanks, I've replied directly and deleted the TP, Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:48, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

why?

why did you do this - ? Coolabahapple (talk) 01:58, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

@Coolabahapple: Ooppss.. That has happened several times today. I didn't see that one. Thanks for catching it. My browser has been taking a while to load WikiEd (sometimes not loading it at all) when I start editing pages so when/if it finally loads my cursor jumps to the top of the page for a second. I do not know why it is happening but it has done so several times in the last day or so. Sorry. Jbh 02:06, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

no probs

Coolabahapple (talk) 02:18, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

comment on bilateral guideline

you might be interested in my comments here. Misplaced Pages talk:Notability (bilateral relations). LibStar (talk) 01:10, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

ping

You pinged me on the talk for bilateral relations... I'm really confused as to where the conversation is going but I'll try to respond. FYI, I think that particular user has issues with competence (he argues "snow keep" for the most obscure articles at AfD) and he completely fails to understand what significant coverage/GNG are. —Мандичка 😜 20:05, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you both. Jbh 23:32, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The New Page Patroller's Barnstar
		1,696 pages patrolled in the last 12 months! Very good! Keep up the good work. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:37, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Jbh 14:41, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Just a note . . .

. . . in appreciation of no-nonsense clarity, incontrovertible facts, and masterfully diplomatic turns of phrase :-) . Writegeist (talk) 17:03, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

@Writegeist: Thank you. I dislike when anyone tries to create their own version of reality, it makes it more difficult to address actual problems. The only way to prevent repetition from becoming reality is to challenge it. Jbh 21:01, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

But sometimes, I'm afraid, you might as well try to have an intelligent discussion with this.

Writegeist (talk) 22:44, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

@Writegeist: :) Yes, sometimes that is true but even then discussion lets me check my cognitive bias and prevents me from just pigeonholing someone. Often in disputes I will see an "opponent's" words and actions through a lens distorted by the conflict and might miss their actual motive/intention/meaning - of course sometimes I don't. Other times it is just nice to chat, even if it is a bit tense. I have found very few people that do not have something worthwhile to say and I usually learn something which is the whole reason I edit here. Jbh 00:12, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Ross

about this - we have been trying to teach Ross WP's policies and guidelines and explain why we cannot make the changes he wants. we have gotten back WP:IDHT and he keeps pushing anyway. You will see this if you review the article talk page. I tried to help him and gave up. Maybe you will be able to get through to him, but that would be surprising. Good luck! Jytdog (talk) 17:18, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

@Jytdog: Thank you for the heads up. I initially thought he was just a BLP subject with an issue (since he was posting to BLP as an IP). I now see he has been at this for a while. I am particularly concerned that he says he does not have an account here yet there is a Rick A. Ross who was active on the page recently and has been on Misplaced Pages both earlier this year and in 2008.

Oh well... I will try my best to get through to him and see where it goes. Cheers! Jbh 18:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes he seems to keep "forgetting" or something. Jytdog (talk) 20:24, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

I am sorry that I don't know all the Misplaced Pages rules and policies. I am doing my best to comply and post within guidelines at the Talk page of my bio. At this point I remain blocked. I have emailed the appropriate people/committee within Misplaced Pages, but have received no response.RickAlanRoss1952 (talk) 15:55, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Primeval

Hi, Thanks for spotting this rather odd edit , I simply used the AFD tool to redirect the BLP so I honestly can't understand or even explain how on earth Primeval ended up being redirected on itself ?, Anyway thanks again for spotting that, Happy editing, –Davey2010 02:15, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Software does weird stuff sometimes... No problem... Cheers! Jbh 12:25, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Trout vs. truth

Whack!

You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

vs. TRUTH Erlbaeko (talk) 19:38, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

@Erlbaeko: Not sure of the point you are trying to make but I think it is really cool someone actually used the WP:TROUT button! If you are arguing for the old "Verifiability not truth" that old saw is long depricated and we use editorial judgement when examining sources. Whatever it is we should discuss it over on Talk:Use of chemical weapons in the Syrian civil war. Cheers! Jbh 19:48, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Re: . I would have self-reverted, if you had given me a couple of minutes. Sorry, I did not know.Erlbaeko (talk) 16:31, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. It is kind of a hot button issue for me. Apologies if I jumped too far down your throat. :) Jbh 16:50, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Well, yes. I felt like that was kind of a hot button. Apologies accepted. Erlbaeko (talk) 17:08, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Re: You can post on my talk page, if you like. I just had enough of that "why did you informed me of the sanctions" discussion. Take that to ANI if you believe I did something terribly wrong. Erlbaeko (talk) 16:15, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

@Erlbaeko: OK. Understood and thank you. I had hoped to find a middle ground between you and MVBW and thought the self-notification might help take the sting out of it for them. You can see where I did a similar thing on User talk:Jbhunley/SanctionsNotice when I notified an editor of DS, in fact it is my policy to self notify whenever I notify another editor to avoid just the issue you ran in to.

Personally I could care less, in general, about being notified of sanctions as long as it is done properly and in good faith. I think where people got concerned is the Syria sanctions regime is not like typical DS which are placed with {{Ds/alert}} and kept track of in software. Since the Syria sanctions are logged on their own page, and almost all have been logged by an admin, it can feel more like your name got placed at Misplaced Pages:Editing restrictions for doing nothing. This is more an issue with how the sanctions are administered than how you notified people per se. The procedures seem unclear even to experienced editors and I think a non-acusitory AN thread might be good just to clear it up. You might even want to bring it up there as a 'is this the right way to do it' question. I can not imagine anyone sanctioning you for that even if it was not the right way to do things. I would definitely support you and speak to your good faith if you did something like that. Everyone makes mistakes and I really do not know if you did or if those of us who were concerned did. For me it all boils down to intention and willingness to address others concerns. God knows I have had my share of screw ups and even pissed of people when I did not screw up. It all comes down to figuring out ways to deescalate those kinds of situations so we can all get on with building Misplaced Pages.

Anyway I will stay out of that thread unless addressed. Also you still might want to look into ProMedMail, they get reports of suspected chemical incidents from all over the world and do a good job of analyzing the evidence. They are mainly an infectious disease surveillance system but they watch for any event which causes 'symptoms' and their editors are top quality. They also have archives going back many years so you might find some other incidents as well. I hope to work with you in the future on this and other topic areas. Cheers. Jbh 17:02, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

Proposed amendment to WP:ADMIN regarding paid editing

You recently commented on a brainstorm that discussed banning administrators from paid editing. A concrete proposal to amend the administrator policy to this effect has been made at Misplaced Pages talk:Administrators#Proposed change - 'No paid editing" for admins. Your comments would be appreciated. MER-C 08:13, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Panopticon

How wouldn't you require a panoptican of surveillance if your admin model is to track down and punish wayward posters? This IP people are complaining about is doing what it takes to evade Misplaced Pages tracking him down under current rules. But if you change the rules, he can just do whatever else it takes. Unless you insist on being able to track him down everywhere, with all the oppression that requires. Wnt (talk) 15:25, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

It's fairly unlikely any change of rules would be needed. As with most ISPs in the developed world, Telstra already has the right to cancel service if :

use your service in a way which we reasonably believe is fraudulent, poses an unacceptable risk to our security or network capability or is illegal or likely to be found illegal; or

Continually making death and rape threats is something that Telstra could resonably construe as being illegal. More complicated but it's likely that Telstra could argue that the behaviour is fraudulent or poses an unacceptable risk to their network capability. And Telstra, as with mosts ISP in the developed world, undoutedly already has logs that are allowed by their customers terms, that last at least a few days and can determine which customer is responsible.

If whoever is behind the IP decides to start war driving or using a bot net or whatever in the future, or if they are already doing it now, then our options may be limited, but it isn't unresonable to ask an ISP to enforce their T&C and stop their customer or someone authorised by the customer from using their service in a way which causes significant problems for us. It's something that already happens a lot with spammers etc, it's just that some ISPs are more slack, particularly for something which is out of the norm of what they normally deal with. There no reason to assume that every problem editor is going to go to the extremes of bad behaviour, if we did that we might as well not block any editor because they'll eventually be back and using a botnet.

Nil Einne (talk) 16:46, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

(EC) BTW, there is perhaps some resonable debate about whether or not we should expect ISPs to act against more run of the mill persistent disruptive editors, like those who engage persistent wide ranging vandalism using (intentionally or not) many different IPs. I know from some ISPs POV, it's our fault for allowing editing without accounts. However we shouldn't conflate that issue, with a more serious case like this where only a really unresonable ISP would consider the editor's behaviour an acceptable use of their service which isn't and shouldn't be forbidden by their customer terms. Nil Einne (talk) 16:56, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Wnt: I do see how you have concerns about using IT infrastructure track people but that train left the station years ago and there is no practical way to call it back nor would failing to addresss the current issue contribute to rolling those capabilities back other than in an exceedingly minor and completely symbolic manner.

My main argument was prevent people who are posting death/threats from being able to do so as a first step to managing the situation. From there the only 'admin model' is to get the Foundation to engage with the service provider and law enforcement and it is a matter of national politics that determines what tools those authorities have. My point is we should never use the safety of a victim to debate national and international ideals that we have no effective control or immediate influence over. Doing so causes harm to an innocent person for no marginal gain. That is the personal equivalent of 'destroying the village to save it'.

Personally I fear the idea of a surveillance society but that is a 'big picture' thing. The little picture thing is that there is a person here who is being traumatized by rape/death threats. Maybe the stalker is far away, maybe they do not know who the person is, maybe they are just talking and will never actually do it. No matter what the threat can ruin the quality of life of the threatened person - living in fear is hell. That is the best outcome of the 'do nothing' your idealized reaction leads to. However there are some red flags that say this is a more serious situation: The threats are repeated and have been going on for a long time and posi-likely come from more than one person. Based on the mild, historical, ones I have seen, they are ethno-politically motivated and have to do with ARBPIA issues. That is a real threat and as I said, without identifying the stalker there is no way to do a real threat assessment so we must assume it is a legitimate threat. The resources, methods and procedures for identifying the stalker is a law enforcement matter - if you want to talk civil liberties they are the ones to discuss it with.

Changing the world is a great goal. There are a lot of things that 'should not be' yet 'are' and even more things that 'should never be' and I admire the people with the drive to make the world a better place. My view on making the world a better place is to do whatever is possible to prevent people from being terrorized, raped, killed or any of the other horrible things people do to one another when their views of 'how the world must be' collide. No matter how strongly you feel about an issue I guarantee there is someone in the world who feels more so in the opposite direction and is willing to use violence or the threat of violence to see there ideal is the one that wins out. Always remember that when pursuing high principles and ideals there are real people whose minds, bodies and/or lives are shattered, not only in the conflict but in the collateral damage caused by the blind application of those ideals.

To get back to your question on Jimbo's page, no I do not want to see a panopticon or surveillance state, not even a little bit but I will never let an innocent get run over by my ideals. There are enough screaming nightmares in the world and we should not contribute to them especially when it is an academic point of principle vs a real person's immediate terror. Jbh 16:53, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

The train may have left the station, but there are still a lot of semi rigs and at-grade crossings between it and the final stop. I don't want to put pressure on the relatively few methods by which people might get on the Internet with more genuine anonymity; so long as any remain there is still a shadow of hope.

The safety of the victim is important, but what actually makes someone safer -- to let a troll rave on as we bury him under an ever more sophisticated non-legal community response, or to get him thrown in jail with hardened criminals for a little while? If the victim is in terror now, just wait until his release date! Now just getting him thrown off his ISP might be a more measured response, except... either he has an easy competitive option, in which case this has no impact on his crusade, or he doesn't, in which case he's screwing around with wardialing and such just to use the Internet at all and we have more trouble, OR the ISP, finally convinced that a violation of law demands they terminate his service, follows that up by making the legal report itself, which then leads to an investigation and divulgence of personal details of the victim and the rest of the situation and we're with the jail scenario. However you do it, starting a war is not a safe act. And when we start tracking people down and trying to make it personal, war is exactly what we're doing.

Now I won't say I totally oppose inaction, because there are few phrases more liberating in the English language than "there's nothing we can do about it". Indeed, that seems like the only really socially acceptable way to uphold any right, however basic. More to the point though, when you close off every single possible dumb idea for handling a problem, occasionally people will grudgingly resort to something smarter. If we would simply line up a group of editors to deal with this person, make it clear to all what his agenda is and where to look out for him, preferably design some tools and abuse filter notifications to help track him down, then we could say the person he's picking on is free to stand down from the conflict a while while the rest of us stand up to work on pissing him off ourselves. So what I'm thinking here is to combine safety in numbers with a refusal to escalate, and that way we manage the risk. Of course, it's never totally impossible to rule out any risk at all - ultimately editors have to have some tiny iota of courage, I mean, less than you need to bite into a McDonald's cheeseburger really, but some determination not to be cowed by threats. Wnt (talk) 17:20, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

@Wnt: I do see what you are talking about, community based technical solutions are a part of the response to any form of abuse but they are neither the best nor most appropriate response. What I fear you could be missing is that this is not a Misplaced Pages problem the situation with Telestra is a real life threat of which Misplaced Pages is a part. That is a pretty major distinction. If it were simply a Misplaced Pages problem then the community can figure it out however, these are death threats made via Misplaced Pages. Just like threats made by phone, mail or broadcast by short wave radio. If we were to take only the actions you propose then Misplaced Pages and the individuals who said 'we can handle this' would be responsible for the outcome.

All of the if's and or's you propose are possibilities but you are using them as an excuse to take no action when you have no idea whether action is needed. The victim is the one put primarily at risk by your if's and but's so it is their decision (hopefully counseled by a professional whether they want action taken. They spent two friggen weeks trying to get the WMF off of its ass. I can not express how shameful that is. Existing policy is to block those who make threats of harm and to range block IP hopping abusers. I can see how no one really wanted to range block Australia but the WMF should have made a definitive decision in a maximum of a couple of days. That this was still an open issue with no definitive plan of action or guidance from the WMF main office is shameful and Jimbo saying, to a person who wants to keep their identity hidden, take it to the press shows shocking ... well shocking something I mean take it to the frigging press! what is that man thinking!!! Jbh 18:34, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Nothing I can say or do takes away the right anyone affected has to go to their local law enforcement and file a complaint. It may well be effective. But what we don't need is to create this notion that we as third parties have to get involved in that process. We shouldn't go the route of universities that start setting up their own phony tribunals and then people wonder why they give a slap on the wrist for rape or whatever. I don't suggest we should pretend to replace an editor's right to go to cops, but we don't have to encourage it either, let alone try to make the decision for them. Wnt (talk) 23:53, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

I definitely agree we should not go the university tribunal route. Those are nothing but travesties but I do not think anyone has proposed to do such a thing here. We can agree to disagree about whether the provider of a pubic place is responsible for maintaining a safe environment and supporting law enforcement in the area.

On a different note. I see you are interested in studying ways to avoid surveillance on the net. If you are not aware of it there is a community involved with The Program on Liberation Technology "Liberationtech" at Stanford University with an active mailing list . They discuss what is going on the ground in various countries and work to support journalists, political activists, NGO's etc. Cheers. Jbh 12:55, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Caught in a range block please unblock

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Jbhunley (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I am caught up in the range block for 69.80.96.0/20 placed by Callanecc . I guess my router just changes addresses via DHCP. I am not editing through a proxy and my VPN is off. Can you please fix it so I do not need to VPN in to edit. Thank you. Jbh 12:07 pm, Today (UTC−4)

Accept reason:

Done for now. No reason to suspect editor is up to no good. NeilN 16:15, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

@NeilN: I see you are editing now. Would you please take a look at this for me. Thank you. Jbh 16:10, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Please try now. I will inform Callanecc. --NeilN 16:13, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

@NeilN: All good. Thank you. It is passing strange. That block of IP addresses geolocates a couple hundred miles from me. Jbh 16:19, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Looks like my VPN was set to auto-reconnect. Still strange because that IP is not where the VPN server should be. Oh well. Thank you for the help. Sorry for the trouble. Jbh 17:49, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

So were you connected to your VPN when you were autoblocked or not? I ask because if you were, I will put the rangeblock back. --NeilN 22:51, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

@NeilN: Yes. I was connected when I thought I was not. Go ahead and put the rangeblock back. Next time something odd like that happens I can assume I've done something dumb rather than my ISP moving to Pennsylvania all of a sudden. (Still odd since Pa, is not where the VPN server is supposed to be. Oh well... that is their problem...). Thank you for the quick response getting everything sorted out for me. Sorry for the trouble. Jbh 22:58, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

Carnegie Corporation of New York logo

Back in February I attempted to upload a new logo of our foundation. I didn't have any success and I still wish to replace the old logo with the new one on the Corporation's website. URL: https://www.carnegie.org/

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thank you for your assistance. Sincerely, Ronald Sexton — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronald Sexton (talk • contribs) 19:48, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

@Ronald Sexton: I have uploaded a copy of the new logo, generated a non-free use rational per our WP:NFCC policy and changed the logo in the article. Is that the change you wanted? Jbh 20:37, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Rick Alan Ross (consultant) bio

I am Rick Alan Ross with a bio on Misplaced Pages. See https://en.wikipedia.org/Rick_Alan_Ross I cannot post at the talk page of my biol due to the claim that I am not Rick Alan Ross and/or have been posting against policy from an IP address rather than an established Wikipeida account. I did once have an account, but lost the password and have changed my email since then. I have opened a Misplaced Pages account RickAlanRoss1952 I have also emailed the appropriate contacts within Misplaced Pages as suggested, but have received no reply. I would like to be able to post again at the Talk page of my bio. Please helpRickAlanRoss1952 (talk) 15:43, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

@RickAlanRoss1952: Please see my earlier comment on your talk page for your options. You can also post a request at Arbitration requests for clarification and amendment by clicking here. Cheers. Jbh 16:04, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Done. But no response, no action and no change regarding Talk page.RickAlanRoss1952 (talk) 16:35, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Once an issue is taken over by ArbCom there is nothing anyone else can or will do until their requirements are met. They are the final arbiters of matters they address. Your best bet if you are not getting any response through email is open a request at WP:ARCA. Several Arbs read that page daily and it is the proper place to address matters relating to their "rulings". Forgot to ping. Pinging @RickAlanRoss1952: and re-signing. Jbh 17:02, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Followed all your suggestions, but nothing is happening. What can be done?RickAlanRoss1952 (talk) 19:39, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

@RickAlanRoss1952: As I have said above open a case at WP:ARCA by either going to the page or by clicking on this link. If you have tried my other suggestions and not gotten a response that is really the only option left to you. Jbh 20:06, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

I followed instructions and filled out a form at the link you provided. I have followed all your suggestions.RickAlanRoss1952 (talk) 20:28, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

@RickAlanRoss1952: It looks like Liz, an ArbCom clerk, has taken note of the request and decided that AARCA is not the place for it. She noted in the edit summary she would contact you on your talk page. She should be able to handle it from here. Jbh 20:44, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Well, the request was not correctly formatted so that was one reason why it was removed. Also, I looked at the original restriction which advised RickAlanRoss1952 to contact the committee. I've alerted the committee on one of their email lists that they should be on the lookout for RAR's messages. They can take their time discussing requests like this so it might be a while before an inquirer hears back. Liz 20:53, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Jbh 20:55, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I have sent emails to the committee twice. Once today.RickAlanRoss1952 (talk) 20:57, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

I am not verified at Misplaced Pages through my new user account and unblocked at the Talk page of my bio. I have again raised the issue of involuntary deprogramming there continuing our past conversation.RickAlanRoss1952 (talk) 12:30, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi. Just wanted to remind you that I need your help on the lead. I know you are busy, but would appreciate your time to correct an error in fact and cut the lead to only the first paragraph as you previously suggested.Rick Alan Ross (talk) 13:24, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

@Rick Alan Ross: I have told you at least three times that I was incorrect in my idea to cut the lead, why the information needs to stay, and that I would not be cutting the lead. Please drop it.

If there is an error of fact please let me know, on the article talk page, what it is along with a reliable source which documents the error and I will be happy to correct it. Jbh 13:43, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

There are errors of fact and misleading edits being made and I am noting them on the article talk page. I realize that you are concerned with rules and proper procedure, which I am learning and using. But Cwobeel is editing to filter the facts and spin the bio as negatively as possible. The pattern of his edits and the tone of his comments at the article talk page demonstrate this. A few other editors that drop in to help him also seem to be doing the same. I think the the "not guilty" verdict was a glaring example. Cwobeel is doing quite a bit of editing and much of my comments on the article talk page are a direct response to his work.Rick Alan Ross (talk) 12:18, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Personally I think you are starting to do yourself more harm than good on the talk page. There was a group of good editors with diverse opinions who, over time and via normal Misplaced Pages editing, would have come up with an NPOV bio. You seem to have chased most of them away by dominating the talk page. Usually people work out differences in wording and sources - the "acquitted" issue is a good example. You see it as some attempt to make you look bad. Rather there was a source that was in conflict with others, as can happen, and it was worked out. People will take different views and you will likely see people who feel you are whitewashing your own bio take strong positions to insert that kind of material because they feel, rightly or wrongly the bio is unbalanced. Now, it seems to me, editors are just tired of your constant demands and poor understanding of the terms you through out. If you think something is cherrypicking or soapboxing or whatever say specifically why and then let other editors work it out. Do this with one issue at a time, do not respond to everything - let the others work it out - if you are constantly posting no one else will.

Cwobeel is a very good editor. You practically demanded that he use those Chinese sources and then are upset that he summarized what they said. There is probably a better way to summarize the issue but I doubt anyone is going to work on it right now because you are arguing the issue and not giving others a real chance. If they are like me they are staying out of it because, as I warned earlier, it is becoming harder to see NPOV vs reacting to your WP:CPUSH behavior. If you look at our book notability guideline WP:NBOOK you will see "Self-publication and/or publication by a vanity press do not correlate with notability". That informs editorial opinion about how significant a book is in a bio as well. If it is important in China then we need to say why it is and how it was presented/received to get over the presumption it is all but irrelevant for being self-published in English.

You often have good points but they are lost in the noise. Your BLP will never be finished because nothing on Misplaced Pages will ever be finished. You can turn it into a battleground and try to make it read the way you want but ultimately you will get banned. It might be a year from now but it will happen and, long term, that would be regrettable and a loss to the project.

You need to understand that you are so close to matters that you can not be neutral. Worse, many editors will see most of what you ask to be whitewashing, whether it is or not. Misplaced Pages is very concerned about following our BLP policy but there is a nearly as great antipathy for WP:COI editors who are here to simply advance their POV and you will likely start to see that backlash more and more if you are unable to moderate your demands in quantity and tempo. I also suggest that you learn to compromise on smaller issues rather than pressing for "victory". My view over the months interacting with you is that you want things your way period and will push and push until you get it. That pushes editors away and sets up an environment where editors are reacting to you as much as or more than they to the issue.

You should consider going and editing some other articles here and/or reading through some talk pages of controversial BLP's so you can see that editors work very hard to make BLP's NPOV. There are often POV pushers, both positive and negative, but they sooner or later get the material ironed out. The more active editors working on a page the more NPOV it becomes so by creating an environment others do not want to deal with you are making it more not less likely negative material will stay for longer because there are less eyes and less points of view to work out tricky issues. Maybe seeing how things work on other pages will make you more confident in the process. Take a look at Ahmed Mohamed clock incident and its early talk page archives as an example of a very controversial BLP and how things were finally worked out.

One final note when "other editors drop in" and disagree with you and agree with the other editor it is what we call WP:CONSENSUS. If you have not read that do so, it is how we make all decisions on Misplaced Pages and is why I keep telling you to back off on the talk page. The more editors there are the better consensus is and the more likely the article will actually be NPOV. When there are only a few editors in conflict articles can become toxic as yours is well on the way to becoming.

Well, another final note, you must accept that the article is going to say things you neither like, agree with nor think are fair or even accurate. There are a lot of sources out there that have pretty negative things to say about you. I have bought several of the ones that have been discussed, including your book, to read when I have more time and to work on the article when I am more confident in being neutral. You also need to understand that all of those comments in the press you make do not really contribute to your notability, only what is written about you matters. That is why people are insisting you are notable as a "deprogrammer" (or whatever) not for being a "cult expert" (or whatever) It is very hard to see others write about your life because the world never sees us as we see ourselves. That is very hard for even private individuals to deal with and must be immeasurably worse for people with a large and controversial media footprint.

I have written much more than I intended and I am out of time to proofread it. I hope it makes some sense to you. Enjoy your weekend! Jbh 16:44, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thanks for clearing up the logo issue. Will the exclamation box still remain there? Ronald Sexton (talk) 19:26, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

@Ronald Sexton: Thank you! What 'exclamation box' are you referring to? If you are talking about the old notice on your talk page you can just delete it. It was only to notify you there was a licensing issue with the old image. I do not see any alert boxes associated with Carnegie Corporation of New York or the new logo file. If you are seeing one please post a link to it here so I can take a look. Please let me know if I can be of further assistance. Jbh 19:58, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your help through the ANI process. I was grouchy during the ANI and I appreciate your help, as do the people from our past who will now be remembered by future generations. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 18:14, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

@Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ): I can certainly understand how you would be grouchy through such a process. You have done great work with all of those biographies. I hope we can get the ones that are ready enough cleared and moved into main space where readers will have access to them and so you can get back to writing more of these biographies. I picked up a NYT subscription so I would have access to the archives through this process. Do you have any articles you want moved over first or any you want left in your user space? I really look forward to reading about people who I would never otherwise have heard of - it is fascinating. Jbh 01:16, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	You are doing some very good work with Rick Ross, striking a good balance between respectful engagement and protecting our core values. Thank you for this. Guy (Help!) 15:49, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! Jbh 16:13, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Curious.

That's twice now you've suggested I should be topic banned along with EllenCT at AE. The other couple of editors who suggested that have their own biases and an old personal stake/grudge involved here. I don't recall if we've ever had an interaction, but you didn't give any specific reasons why I should be topic banned (you did cite something specific EllenCT did at AE, and point out that mediation would miss the point here, which I appreciate). Are there specific, concrete reasons you think I should be topic banned as well, or was that just an understandable "pox on both their houses" first glance reaction that's common when someone approaches a blown up debate for the first time? VictorD7 (talk) 18:43, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

@VictorD7: I am basing my recommendation on the way you have handled the AE request. I really do understand your frustration there but it seems very hard for you to disengage from the conflict. I admit there is a bit of 'pox on both their houses' in my thinking - that situation is toxic and a determent to the project. I considered using this last post to also say you should not be banned but I could not in good conscience do so. (That post was intended more as a 'don't force mediation' than a reiteration of 'ban them both' and I apologize if it came off that way) What it really came down to was the way you handled AE including the walls and walls of text you posted there, it was a mirror of EllenCT's behavior - whose behavior certainly requires a topic ban. Maybe she brings out the worst in you but what it showed to me was that you are over engaged in the dispute. Posting more stuff after the "evidence" was hatted really pushed that home for me.

In addition the mud slung by some of the other editors stuck enough that I can not see you as a 'victim fighting the good fight against EllenCT's POV war'. I do recognize that some of that mud was flung by editors you might have long standing conflicts with. (That "recusal" was one of the pettiest actions I have seen by an "un-involved" admin.) Nonetheless it gave a pretty firm impression that this is not your first rodeo.

It comes down to how you handled the conflict, the disruption it caused and my not being convinced that because of the ... maybe tenacity it the right word... you have demonstrated that the conflict and disruption will not spin up again if you do not take a break from the topic for a bit. I would support you if you committed to a 60 day voluntary, logged, topic ban that shows you can let go and allows things to settle out. You should also stay far away from EllenCT on economic topics even if not related to American Politics. Personally I think the whole trickle-down thing is going to blow up in the near future considering how it is being pushed. I think you are overall a good and knowledgeable editor who is involved in toxic situation and needs a rest from it before it spins further out of control.

In short I feel that there is enough blame to go around and untangling the precise rights and wrongs is a) far beyond AE and b) would cover neither of you in glory and would lead to the same result. I hope that answered your question. If you think my reasoning is flawed or you think this might help you, you are welcome to link this post at AE. Jbh 22:01, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the thoughtful response. For the record that final evidence was posted before I knew the section had been hatted, though I did request later that it be reinstated since I was replying to false, last minute accusations (even that last post didn't address all of them, since I didn't get to see all the new accusations thrown at me until after the hatting). I was reluctant to post the "walls of text" but thought it necessary to thoroughly refute the completely false sourcing/content claims EllenCT was making after they seemed to be gaining traction in the admin response. Another uninvolved editor later admitted to having been "lulled" (his word) into buying much of EllenCT's narrative at first glance, before striking his earlier comments and saying that a more careful reading of the situation shows my sources are sound and she's the one engaging in POV editing. A responding admin similarly struck his earlier comments to agree with this editor, thanking him for his patient reading. These revisions came after I posted my lengthy rebuttal, and presumably would not have occurred if I hadn't. So the "walls of text" were a mixed bag, making a positive difference with some respondents but maybe being tldr for others. I figure it's better to err on the side of correcting the record. My posting there only mirrored EllenCT's in length, not substance or accuracy.

I responded similarly to very dated, off topic, personal cheap shots taken by one of those aforementioned editors whose POV pushing clashed with me and other editors last year (EllenCT isn't the only tendentious editor on Misplaced Pages). In retrospect maybe I should have ignored those or been more concise, as they may have partly been attempts to bait me, but at the time I thought it best to contrast his vague assertions with specific examples highlighting the nature of our past involvement. Regardless, I don't think verbosity in an AE in reaction to baseless accusations is a real conduct violation, much less one warranting as draconian a sanction as a topic ban (on an unrelated topic to boot).

On the current issues, I haven't been the source of the toxicity you describe, and my involvement has introduced information and clarity over time. I don't think disagreeing with EllenCT should warrant a topic ban either. Without my long term involvement the odds are that either EllenCT's POV pushing would have run roughshod over Misplaced Pages, resulting in less overt discord but a lower quality encyclopedia that makes a mockery of its own stated core policies, or there would have been less informed push back at some point and an even more toxic environment. Now enough editors have become involved and educated that strong consensuses have formed against what EllenCT is trying to do. It's not so much a toxic topic as it is a toxic editor. Since she stopped editing the article or posting on the talk page things have been largely civil and quiet. At this point I see no need for action against anyone. I mostly endorse the status quo, so I'm not planning on doing much if any more editing in the topic areas (especially tax progressivity), if that puts your mind at ease, and if EllenCT resumes her misbehavior (e.g. edit warring) I'll be happy to let someone else report it so people aren't tricked into seeing this as a two editor quarrel. VictorD7 (talk) 00:03, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Because Arbcom has repeatedly adopted the principle that undocumented aspersions and personal attacks on other editors will not be tolerated on WP, VictorD7 brief history on this page is sufficient evidence to support a TBAN or site ban. SPECIFICO talk 00:27, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Except between the two of us I'm the one who's documented my descriptions. I also didn't mention your name here. VictorD7 (talk) 00:30, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @VictorD7: I have clairified my comment at AE to better reflect what I explained here. I do not know that it will make a difference one way or the other. As I explained I can not bring myself to advocate against a topic ban for you but I feel less strongly about it than I do EllenCT's. Jbh 00:31, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

I appreciate your clarification. VictorD7 (talk) 00:34, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

If you all are going to argue please take it elsewhere. Thank you. Jbh 00:33, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Nicholas Colasanto

"Euromaiden" aside, can you help me expand the intro to the above topic? I.e. summarize that article concisely? I just need one paragraph intro; that's all. --Gh87 in the public computer (talk) 23:41, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Be glad to. I took a swipe at it here. Jbh 00:08, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages talk:Manual of Style/Lead section#Allow fifth paragraph of lede?

I invite you to the latest discussion about ledes in general. --George Ho (talk) 06:47, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

redirection of The News from Nowhere Fellowship Symphony

Wow, that was quick - I've only just started writing the page!! A previous reviewer left some very helpful advice re. what needed to be added to make it comply whereas you've just deleted the initial content within the first few hours - is that really how this is supposed to work? I am confident that when the page is complete with all reference it will certainly comply with all Wiki guidelines - so not sure what to do next. I'm guessing I now work on the page without saving and, then when all is complete, finally hit save - seems really risky. You can tell I'm new to this, but I can't see another way of starting a page and saving as you go along without it becoming subject to patrolling before it's properly finished. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Icmus (talk • contribs) 18:59, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

@Icmus: Yes, most articles are reviewed within a couple of hours if there are people activly reviewing. There are a couple of things you can do to make sure it is reviewed only after it is finished. One is to go through Articles for creation the other is to use the draft name space. I have moved the article into draft space for you. See Draft:The News from Nowhere Fellowship Symphony.

Please be aware that all articles must pass our notability criteria ie WP:GNG, WP:NALBUM, WP:NSONG. I could not find anything in my brief searches to show that the subject would pass those criteria and on closer inspection I see the name I redirected to was not the composer.

If I can be of any help please feel free to ask. Cheers. PS Please remember to sign your talk page posts with ~~~~ which will insert your user name and a time stamp. Jbh 19:13, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

jammes jamba castro - proposed deletion

hey Jb,

thanks for the heads up. I have added some references to the article you mentioned. I hadn't realized that there were no references.

Jessica — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freakishlyauthentic (talk • contribs) 20:45, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

@Freakishlyauthentic: Hi, I looked through some of the citations you recently put in the article and a large number of them are not what Misplaced Pages considers reliable sources. Likely one of them will be good enough to remove the {{blpprod}} but I am concerned that the article subject does not meet Misplaced Pages's criteria for inclusion. Specifically we require significant coverage in independent reliable sources. You should read the general notability criteria and the criteria for music biographies to see what the requirements are.

Also, please try to use an encyclopedic tone when writing the article rather than a promotional or conversational tone, see Beatles. I will keep the article on my watch list and, as I have time, look at the references if someone else does not get to it. Thank you for your contribution and welcome to Misplaced Pages! Jbh 21:33, 13 October 2015 (UTC) PS - Please remember to sign your talk page posts with ~~~~ which will insert your user name and a time stamp.

@Jbhunley: hey there Jb. You are right. im new at this and english is not my first language. in regards to reliable sources, i am confused as to what they should be. Did i code them in incorrectly? I love Misplaced Pages and contributing to it has been a lifelong dream. Would you help me write it better? Any suggestions on how i can make the text more like the Beatles entry? I have to say that the Beatles entry is probably one of the best i have ever seen. Meanwhile i will keep adding more citations and hopefully one day i can make my level go up more.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Freakishlyauthentic (talk • contribs)

@Freakishlyauthentic: I started going through the article. There are really no reliable sources discussing the subject. Just citing things to credits, blogs and press releases is not acceptable. I will do some searched later today to see of I can find something on this person but even if a single reliable source can be found to stop the BLPPROD I think it will likely be nominated for WP:AFD because it does not meet Misplaced Pages's notability criteria. Considering the lack of material cited on this subject I must ask where you are getting your information from? Jbh 14:06, 14 October 2015 (UTC) PS - Please remember to sign your talk page posts with ~~~~ which will insert your user name and a time stamp.

@Jbhunley: Well, i am familiar with this producer's work and i own quite a bit of the records he has produced besides finding them online. I also speak portuguese and there are quite a bit of online articles about him in that language as well. have you done a search for his name? - you will find plenty of articles. Also i forgot to mention that i translated this producers page from portuguese. Did i do it right? He already exists in portuguese - under "jamba (produtor)" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freakishlyauthentic (talk • contribs)

@Freakishlyauthentic: Different Wikipedias have different inclusion criteria. Without WP:RS there can be no article on en.Misplaced Pages. We do not require that the sources be in English however they must meet the criteria set out in WP:RS. Also, now for the third time sign your talk page posts. Not doing so is considered disruptive and failing to do so after being asked is also rather rude. You also need to indent your comments. Please take a quick look at this brief tutorial on editing talk pages. Thank you. PS - There is no need to ping me on my own talk page, editors are automatically notified of posts on their talk page. Also {{ping}} will not send a notification unless you sign your post. Jbh 14:40, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

@Jbhunley:Sorry! LOL! I am still learning - is this good? do you mean not write "ping" - what do i write? i never talk to nobody before. how do i sign - i think i created a signature. can you show me how?Jsousa is this how? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freakishlyauthentic (talk • contribs)

@Freakishlyauthentic: You can just type on the page. {{ping}} is used to send a notification to an editor rather than depending on them checking the page on their watch list but the owner of a User Talk page gets pinged automatically when a message is left on their page. To sign type four ~ (~~~~) at then end of your post just like I said above. Jbh 19:03, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Fereydoun Ala

Comments regarding best practice; thank you for these, however I am a bit puzzled as there are citations and links to other wikipedia articles... KKedit (talk) 01:54, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

@KKedit: The problem is the article has a huge amount of detail about this person but, of the three references I can access, the only thing that relates to him is a statement in Enclclopedia Itanica that says "The project was initiated and founded by Dr. Fereydoun Ala and established by a parliamentary act". The link to the trust does not mention him and the other link is a nice biography of his father.

Where did you get all of the information you put in the article? It had to come from somewhere. You need to put those references in and cite where you got each bit of information. Otherwise, since this is a biography of a living person it is likely to be stubbed until references can be found. Jbh 11:36, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Max F. Perutz Laboratories

Dear JBhunley,

thank you for your edits to the Max F. Perutz Laboratories Misplaced Pages page. The User:MFPL Comms is the communications department of MFPL. So we have added the disclosure message to our user account as you asked. Best MFPL Comms — Preceding unsigned comment added by MFPL Comms (talk • contribs) 14:09, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

@MFPL Comms: Thank you for adding the disclosure. You should read all of our policies on conflict of interest, particularly the part about limiting your edits to the article talk page. Please note that multiple user accounts and accounts named for business entities are prohibited on Misplaced Pages per the Misplaced Pages:Username policy. You should request a change of user name at Misplaced Pages:Changing username or the account will be blocked from editing. Each individual who edits needs to have their own account and each of those accounts must disclose their affiliation per our terms of use. Thank you for your understanding. If I can be of help please feel free to contact me on my talk page. PS - Please remember to sign your talk page posts with ~~~~ which will insert your user name and a time stamp. You also may want to read this brief tutorial on editing talk pages Cheers. Jbh 14:19, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Smith's pharmacy winter haven, fl

Hi, you have been too hasty nominating Smith's pharmacy winter haven, fl for speedy deletion. 1 minute after creation is not enough time. Give this sort of thing at least an hour. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:06, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

@Graeme Bartlett: Sorry. I thought I was working from the back of the queue - I did not check the time. Jbh 12:09, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

@Graeme Bartlett: There has been no further editing by the editor who created this article and it is the only edit by the user. I have re-tagged it since it is still a CSD-A7. Jbh 13:25, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Thunderation (band)

What exactly does an artist, band, or musical act need to achieve to be 'significant' according to the standards of wikipedia in general and this admin in particular? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daniel5981 (talk • contribs) 13:02, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

@Daniel5981: please see Misplaced Pages's general notability guidelines and the notability criteria for bands. In general a subject needs multiple, non-trivial, articles/coverage in independent, third party reliable sources, not Facebook, not blogs - nothing with user contributed content - and not press releases or PR material but sources with independent editorial control and a reputation for fact checking and accuracy. Also, I am not an admin I nominated the article for deletion, the admin who deleted the article was Bbb23. You might consider going through the Articles for Creation process and reading this page on creating your first article. PS - Please remember to sign your talk page posts with ~~~~ which will insert your user name and a time stamp. You also may want to read this brief tutorial on editing talk pages. Jbh 13:21, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

And to whom falls the responsibility of checking these articles. Do I need to provide those out of my own interest, or does the admin perform a fact-check? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daniel5981 (talk • contribs) 01:50, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

@Daniel5981: Admins have no special powers with respect to content. If the article is created through AFC as I recommend above, an AFC reviewer will check the sources. If it is created directly in main space a new page reviewer will check it. In that case if you have not provided sufficient reliable sources to meet notability requirement and the reviewer can not find any good indication of passing notability on a, probably cursory, search the article will likely be tagged for deletion. Remember no blogs, social media, sales sites, fanzines, PR material, links to recordings etc can be used to demonstrate notability. Only independent, third party reliable sources with significant coverage. not tour date listings or blurbs, at least a couple of paragraphs discussing the subject. Carefully read Misplaced Pages:Notability (music) and all of the blue links I have provided. They go into depth about each subject and what each term mean on Misplaced Pages.

Also you must remember to sign your talk page posts with ~~~~. I have mentioned this to you before and a reminder exists at the bottom of the edit window. You also may want to read this brief tutorial on editing talk pages to see how to properly indent talk page threads. Jbh 02:11, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

RE: Paid/COI Notice

Hi, I got your message saying that you suspect I have financial ties to Yellowstone Capital. I am not an employee of the company, nor do I have any financial interest in it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by APetteys (talk • contribs) 13:15, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

@APetteys: That does not fully answer the Paid/COI inquiry. Do you receive any direct or indirect compensation for your edits to those or any other article. For example are you being paid as a freelancer or as an PR person or do you work for an agency to make edits? PS - Please remember to sign your talk page posts with ~~~~ which will insert your user name and a time stamp. Jbh 13:21, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

No, I do not. APetteys (talk) 13:27, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

@APetteys: then please read Misplaced Pages's policy on neutral point of view and the general notability guidelines as well as the specific notability guidelines for companies and organizations because your articles are indistinguishable from advertisements and public relations material for the subjects. Continued creation of such articles may result in a suspension of Misplaced Pages editing privileges for using Misplaced Pages for promotion and not being here to build an encyclopedia. Thank you for your understanding. Jbh 13:35, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

What Strange Stars

hi. New to Misplaced Pages here and I guess I am kind of confused. I typed up the article for what strange stars that I think you deleted. im confused on how it's not notable enough for it's own article when other pieces of Avram Davidson's work apparently are. his collection or all the seas with oysters, the link right above strange stars on his page, does have it's own. im confused how one is notable and the other not. I have quite the old sci fi library and have found multiple authors who have mostly complete links but one or too stubs and I thought I would help complete there pages. Avram Davidson, CL Moore, John Brunner etc. I guess I don't understand perfectly, should I not expand the stubs? also I would not at all be surprised if I messed up citation, but im also confused how the book the article summarizes does not count as a primary source for a summary. Id love to help expand on these author's pages, so id really appreciate some direction or feedback on what I should do, Thanks Dillon Kreiser 14:53, 19 October 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DKreiser (talk • contribs)

@DKreiser: What I did, as I noted, was WP:REDIRECT the book's article to the author's page. For a book to meet our notability criteria it needs to have been have a minimum of two independent and significant reviews in reliable sources. Helping expand stubs is a great thing to do and the most important thing is to find sources. Just because an article exists on another topic does not mean it should exist. Every article must meet Misplaced Pages's notability criteria. I linked the most relevant ones on your talk page.

If you can find some sources for the article go ahead and undo the redirect and add them. If you do not know how to let me know and I will do it for you. If I can be of help please feel free to contact me on my talk page or {{ping}} {{ping|Jbhunley}} from any talk page. Welcome to Misplaced Pages! Jbh 15:05, 19 October 2015 (UTC) PS - Please remember to sign your talk page posts with ~~~~ which will insert your user name and a time stamp. You also may want to read this brief tutorial on editing talk pages.

Hello again,

The problem with articles discuss the book lies with the guidelines. Like most of the Great Sci Fi writers of his time, his stories were published in Pulp Magazines. After a story was published, other authors would write in to discuss them. But the guidelines say you cant use a source that was used to publish the material. Even if I can get a hold of backlogs of the magazine of Science fiction and fantasy, they wouldn't count. But any one who would want to discuss his work would have done so there. But I believe he should qualify for the "5.The book's author is so historically significant that any of the author's written works may be considered notable. This does not simply mean that the book's author is notable by Misplaced Pages's standards; rather, the book's author is of exceptional significance and the author's life and body of written work would be a common subject of academic study" exception. few men are as lauded n the genre. He even became the editor for magazine of Science fiction and fantasy. I can try to get more sources, but since the article is chiefly a summary, and I could not find anywhere else on the internet that even listed the stories in the collection, Shouldn't it stand on it's own for the prosperity of the authors work?

Thank you for helping, I'm afraid I don't no how to reverse a redirect or even where I can edit the article now that it is moved, so if you could help me find it I will try to find more sources for it. in the mean time I asked DEsiegal to weigh in on if Avram Davidson is worthy of the 5th notoriety standard, he is on the Sci Fi project, has 10 years of editing history, and works at the teahouse to help nubes like myself. I figured he could give me a definitive answer. because if Davidson and a few others are "Historically Notable" I have a lot of work to do to help give their work a place here.

Thanks Again, I'm Learning :)Dillon Kreiser 16:30, 19 October 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DKreiser (talk • contribs)

@DKreiser: I have moved the article into draft space. You can edit it at Draft:What Strange Stars and Skies. Again Please remember to sign your talk page posts with ~~~~ which will insert your user name and a time stamp. Also, you do not need to start a separate section each time you comment on my talk page, just indent as shown it the guide I linked for you previously. Remember, everything on Misplaced Pages comes down to having reliable sources - they do not need to be online so long as they are properly cited so they can be located in a library. Jbh 16:41, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Msafiri Zawose

The article references to BBC news and an article from The Citizen ( a Tanzanian ) newspaper, apart from music festivals in Tanzania and World of Music, Arts and Dance which is an international arts festival. I am unsure as to why these sources are considered unreliable. Could you please clarify as to what is considered a reliable source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Irin.simon (talk • contribs) 18:12, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

@Irin.simon: The BBC article simply states he played at a festival. The article in The Citizen looks OK at first glance but it requires more than one article to pass the notability criteria. This discussion should be taking place either at Talk:Msafiri Zawose or Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Msafiri Zawose to get input from other editors. I have both on my watch list and you can also {{ping}} {{ping|Jbhunley}} from those pages.

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Lack of References on Page

Hi, my page Sommer Nectarhoff was recently marked for deletion for lack of references. I have added more references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Writerlier (talk • contribs) 18:22, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

@Writerlier: Thanks for working to improve the article. In order for a WP:BLPPROD to be removed there must be a citation to a reliable source. Links to blogs, social media or sources published bu the subject or their publisher are not sufficient. A biography of a living person may not exist on Misplaced Pages without such reliable sources. Also, please note that even if one or two sources are provided it is still possible the article will be nominated for deletion at WP:AFD if it can not be shown to pass Misplaced Pages's general notability guidelines or the specific notability criteria for authors.

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Abraham Vosgueritchian

This is a geniune unbiase page worthy of being posted ! With direct links and articles as refrences. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.232.101.55 (talk) 19:23, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Please consider the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.232.101.55 (talk) 20:10, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

The page will be reviewed by an administrator to see if they concur with the speedy deletion recommendation. If they agree it will be deleted. If they disagree they will remove the tag. However, unless there is some evidence the topic meets Misplaced Pages's general notability guidelines it will likely be nominated for a more extensive deletion discussion at WP:AFD. PS - Please remember to sign your talk page posts with ~~~~ which will insert your user name and a time stamp. Jbh 20:21, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

I cannot highlight the importance of this article and the topic in the Lebanese community, I followed all necessary steps I beg you take it into consideration and help me fix it up rather than tagging it to be deleted! please verify the content through the references , If the mere fact that its an autobiography bums you out I can have someone else write it.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abra1995 (talk • contribs) 22:32, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

@Abra1995: I have answered you here, at the article talk page and on your talk page. That answer will not change no matter how many times you post on my talk page. I have nominated the article, now an admin will decide if it meets the criteria for speedy deletion. If it does not it will likely be nominated for deletion at AfD. The only way to avoid this is to provide reliable sources to show how the subject meets Misplaced Pages's notability criteria. If you follow the blue links I have provided in my other answers you can see the text of the policies. If you wish to discuss this further please do so at the article talk page as I requested earlier.

Please remember to sign your talk page posts with ~~~~ which will insert your user name and a time stamp. Also, please note that editing as multiple IP addresses as it seems you have been doing, as well as with your account is considered abuse of multiple accounts. Please edit using only your account. Thank you. Jbh 22:43, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Audiosplitter deletion

Thanks for the note. I've contested the deletion on the talk page, but won't comment further and will abide by whatever decision is made. Xeno of Citium (talk) 19:04, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

Hi, I'm Kethrus. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, PBtisk, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you. -- Kethrus |talk to me 14:47, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Unintentional. Sorted. -- Kethrus |talk to me 14:48, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

@Kethrus: not a problem. Cheers. Jbh 14:49, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Blood & Glory (Film) - tagged for deletion

Hi JB, thank you for your correspondence.

I'd like your assistance if you do don't mind, I would like my article 'Blood & Glory (Film)' to remain on wikipedia for referencing, and I am the marketing manager of the film.

You mention that it reads a bit too much like a publicity article, however I re-wrote the article myself from a neutral standpoint as much as I can tell - im not promoting the film or telling anyone to go watch it - it is merely factual and synopsis.

Can you please give me further guidelines as to how it is contravening the rules so that I can amend it according to how it needs to be?

Thank you and kindest regards.

Mike Savage

Mikesavage86 (talk) 18:03, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

@Mikesavage86: Please note that Misplaced Pages is not for promotional use. I do not see adequate coverage in independent reliable sources to demonstrate that the subject meets the general notability guidelines or the notability criteria for films - without significant coverage an article simply is not permitted. Also please note that our terms of use require that you declare your paid-editor status on your user page, the article talk page and on each edit you make. You should use {{paid}} for your user page and {{Connected contributor (paid)}} for the article talk page. Please see WP:COIDISCLOSEPAY for more information. You should limit your contributions to the article talk page - supplying sources or making edit requests per WP:COI.

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Programmatic media ANI

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. -JG (talk) 17:55, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Josescheuren

Hi, could you please explain what we did wrong? We do not want our page to be eliminated. User talk:Josescheuren

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Contents 1 October 2015 2 Recent edit to WITS Academy 3 Josescheuren, you are invited to the Teahouse! 4 Speedy deletion nomination of Cinemat Inc October 2015 Hello, and welcome to Misplaced Pages. This is a message letting you know that one or more of your recent edits to WITS Academy has been undone by an automated computer program called ClueBot NG. ClueBot NG makes very few mistakes, but it does happen. If you believe the change you made was constructive, please read about it, report it here, remove this message from your talk page, and then make the edit again. For help, take a look at the introduction. The following is the log entry regarding this message: WITS Academy was changed by Josescheuren (u) (t) ANN scored at 0.876745 on 2015-10-20T11:38:58+00:00 . Thank you. ClueBot NG (talk) 11:39, 20 October 2015 (UTC) Recent edit to WITS Academy Information icon Hello, and welcome to Misplaced Pages. I noticed that you made a change to an article, WITS Academy, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you! Materialscientist (talk) 11:51, 20 October 2015 (UTC) Josescheuren, you are invited to the Teahouse! Teahouse logo Hi Josescheuren! Thanks for contributing to Misplaced Pages. Be our guest at the Teahouse! The Teahouse is a friendly space where new editors can ask questions about contributing to Misplaced Pages and get help from peers and experienced editors. I hope to see you there! Samwalton9 (I'm a Teahouse host) Visit the Teahouse This message was delivered automatically by your robot friend, HostBot (talk) 17:22, 20 October 2015 (UTC) Speedy deletion nomination of Cinemat Inc Hello Josescheuren, I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Cinemat Inc for deletion, because it seems to be inappropriate for a variety of reasons. If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top. You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. JbhTalk 18:34, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

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Contents 1 October 2015 2 Recent edit to WITS Academy 3 Josescheuren, you are invited to the Teahouse! 4 Speedy deletion nomination of Cinemat Inc October 2015

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Josescheuren, you are invited to the Teahouse! Teahouse logo Hi Josescheuren! Thanks for contributing to Misplaced Pages. Be our guest at the Teahouse! The Teahouse is a friendly space where new editors can ask questions about contributing to Misplaced Pages and get help from peers and experienced editors. I hope to see you there! Samwalton9 (I'm a Teahouse host) Visit the Teahouse This message was delivered automatically by your robot friend, HostBot (talk) 17:22, 20 October 2015 (UTC) Speedy deletion nomination of Cinemat Inc Hello Josescheuren,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Cinemat Inc for deletion, because it seems to be inappropriate for a variety of reasons.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. JbhTalk 18:34, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Josescheuren (talk • contribs)

@Josescheuren: from what I can see in my logs the article Cinemat Inc was deleted because the article violated Misplaced Pages's policies on promotion and advertising and made no claim of notability. All articles must pass Misplaced Pages's general notability guidelines and companies must pass the notability guidelines for companies and organizations. Please read those guidelines before attempting to recreate the article. Also, please read our policy on conflict of interest and WP:COIDISCLOSEPAY. If I can be of help please feel free to contact me on my talk page or {{ping}} {{ping|Jbhunley}} from any talk page. You also may want to read this brief tutorial on editing talk pages. Please remember to sign your talk page posts with ~~~~ which will insert your user name and a time stamp. Jbh 18:48, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

Proposal to rename category

Please see my proposal to speedily rename:

Category:1st century Physicians to Category:1st-century physicians Hugo999 (talk) 00:27, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

@Hugo999: I have no objection. I did not even think of '-' vs ' ' when I created it. Jbh 00:33, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Image

See Francis Collins (October 29, 2013). "Basic Science Finds New Clue to Bipolar Disorder". National Institutes of Health. The image is commonly used for the topic. QuackGuru (talk) 05:07, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

@QuackGuru: Thank you. I replied at Talk:Bipolar disorder. It looks like the image has become iconic so I have no further objection to its use. Jbh 13:35, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

I included a reference with the image but you deleted the image along with the reference. I can include more references to help resolve the dispute. I'd appreciate if you try to find another image before deleting the useful image. Images are beneficial to our readers. QuackGuru (talk) 17:05, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

@QuackGuru: Please keep the conversation on the article talk page. It is hard for me to follow two threads on the same topic and others are participating on the talk page. Thanks! (PS are beneficial only insofar as they are an accurate depiction or representation - see the more in depth thread at of painting] where this started.) Jbh 17:13, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi Jbhunley, Just wanted to say a quick word of thanks for your comments at WP:RSN. Appreciate it. - Ryk72 20:51, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

@Ryk72: thank you. Jbh 20:57, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Murder of Daniel Zamudio

I tried to re-edit the lead to make it less of a biography, but it's not easy with applicable sentences. Will you help me? --George Ho (talk) 01:24, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

@George Ho: Glad to! I will take a look tonight and see if I can come up with something in my free time tomorrow. Cheers. Jbh 01:48, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Jack Vathsan

Hi Jbhunley, please help me fix the issues with the page Jack Vathsan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Statisticallyhigh (talk • contribs)

@Statisticallyhigh: I will take a look at it as I have time today and see what I can do. Cheers. – Please remember to sign your talk page posts with ~~~~ which will insert your user name and a time stamp. – Jbh 12:27, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

@Statisticallyhigh: I searched through the web and other resources I have for material on both "Jack Vathsan" and "Janck Watsan", which seems to be an alternate spelling. I also looked under his given name. I could find nothing other than blog posts and social media. I fear that he does not meet our general notability guidelines or the specific criteria contained in WP:MUSICBIO or WP:FILMMAKER.

If you can identify or provide a few independent third party reliable sources to demonstrate notability I will be glad to help you put an article together. If, on the other hand, no sources can be located within a reasonable time I regret the article will likely face deletion. I will continue to look for material but the best chance of finding something lies with someone who is familiar with the subject and the Indian media, which I am not. I am sorry I could not be of more help. I will keep the article on my watch list so if you locate some good reliable sources please post them there. You can also ping me {{ping|Jbhunley}} from the talk page which will notify me even if I have not logged in for a while. You need to sign your talk page posts with ~~~~ or the ping will not work. Cheers. Jbh 16:17, 29 October 2015 (UTC) Added note Jbh 16:28, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi Jbhunley, This person originally worked with the name Jackson Srivathsan, I gues you are right Jack Vathsan is his a.k.a.

Also, There is a Hindu Article which is on the page. Plus I have added the IMDB link.

IMDB
Jack Vathsan on The Hindu

Also, If I am not wrong this page was already up for speedy deletion. I think you or someone cleared it upon the Hindu Article. This person is notable and an upcoming celebrity with a few projects lined up. I shall wait for them to apprear in news or news and then add them. I'll delete the upcoming projects for now...

Statisticallyhigh (talk) 06:57, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

@Statisticallyhigh: The single article, which is a bare mention, is enough to have kept the article from immediate deletion, much more is needed to show notability. IMDB is not a useful source for notability because it can be edited by users. Being an 'upcoming celebrity' does not make a person eligible for a Misplaced Pages, they must already be a celebrity, one with a lot of coverage in reliable sources. Otherwise Misplaced Pages would have hundreds of thousands of articles about people 'trying to make it big', or important in their home town or other small area only etc, and it would be impossible to make sure those articles complied with out policy on biographies of living persons. Cheers. Jbh 12:08, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi Jbhunley, Thanks for your input. I really appreciate it. The Hindu article has appreciated Jack and explained all the songs in detail. Please find some more Citation.

I'll keep this article as it is. I'll make sure anything I update further has strong Citation. Is this ok? Statisticallyhigh (talk) 17:45, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

- @Statisticallyhigh: The article has been nominated for deletion by another editor. You should comment in the deletion discussion ongoing at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Jack Vathsan. Jbh 19:20, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

deletionFinder.js

Hello Jb! User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/deletionFinder.js is a very useful script, try it. Best, -- Sam Sailor 21:41, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

@Sam Sailor: Thank you! Jbh 22:07, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

More leads of...

Rape during the liberation of France – Small article and should have just one expanded paragraph in intro.

Rape during the occupation of Germany – One or two paragraphs; you decide.

Rape during the occupation of Japan – Very short intro; should have concise intro.

Comfort women – Intro should have no more than four paragraphs; it's currently... short.

Unlike other requests, I am not involved in either above article. --George Ho (talk) 16:43, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

@George Ho: Great! I will see what I can come up with as time allows. Cheers. Jbh 17:14, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

@George Ho: just letting you know I have not forgotten. Jbh 20:45, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Bill Simmons

I hope you have time on this. I made some edits on the lede, but I think you can do a better job than I. --Georgie says "Happy Halloween!" (BOO!) 14:23, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

I took a swipe at tightening up the lead here . Bio's are relatively easy particularly when there is good stuff to start with. The above WWII rape articles will be harder. I think I can do something with Rape during the liberation of France and Rape during the occupation of Japan. The others look to have pretty active editors but I might give the a try if I'm feeling adventurous :) Cheers! Jbh 14:46, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

deprod

I have removed the {{prod}} tag from Hummer Team, which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{prod}} template back to the article. Instead, feel free to list it at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion. Thanks! 2602:30A:2EFE:F050:A51D:74AE:FC51:1E65 (talk) 21:58, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

ANI or COIN?

Where do you think the report on Ross would be dealt with more effectively and appropriately? I have brought his involvement in directing his article content to COIN a couple of months ago, it was essentially blown off. On the other hand, ANI can be a, as I'm sure you are aware, bloodbath and waste of time as well. Thoughts? -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 20:29, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

@Winkelvi: I think ANI since it is NOTHERE more than just COI. Unless you can think of an admin who would be willing to make the call. I do not know whether community input it required for a NOTHERE block or not. Jbh 20:44, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Done . -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 21:43, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Here's a thought: If nothing happens with him block-wise or topic-ban wise, what if we just simply ignore him as much as possible? After all, editors are not obligated to edit, respond, or become involved even though someone with an overblown sense of importance makes demands about their BLP. What say you? -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 15:15, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

@Winkelvi: I am pretty much at that point. I will still respond to requests about BLP violations from him but I am done with trying to resolve his tweaking requests unless it is to help keep another editor from being steamrollered. There have been a lot of bad edits to his biography in the past so I do see where he is coming from but his total lack of respect for Misplaced Pages's content policies and inability to compromise on matters make his talk page participation problematic and stretches my personal levels of patience. That said I also essentially agree with your statement to him that Misplaced Pages is able to manage NPOV BLPs without the subject standing guardian - I would not put it in quite the same way you did but I have typed something similar into the edit box three or four times :) I very much hope he will stick to proposing sources and if he must propose a change he should use the {{edit request}} so it can be accepted of declined per COI rules. Cheers. Jbh 15:52, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

I'm not exactly known for subtlety or diplomatic behavior as an editor. :-) Even so, the overly harsh tone to my comments directed at him was intentional. It seemed like nothing was getting to him at all, so I went for something that would (hopefully) make an impression on him. He seems to think his self-importance and being a "celebrity" makes him invaluable to Misplaced Pages and his BLP. Which brings me to another point: his comments and behavior indicates he sees the bio as his and has no concept that it's Misplaced Pages's bio on RAR, not RAR's personally. I think he believes he has a right to control it. I've seen this happen before at a few other BLPs -- one that immediately comes to mind is the Dave Kerzner article and Sound of Contact. Kerzner came nearly unglued that a maintenance template graced the top of the page for quite a while, feeling it damaged his reputation. Fame, money, and published works cause one to feel entitled, I guess? Personally, I think he claims ignorance of policy as way to seem like an ignorant, humble nobody to be pitied. I think it's part of his act and professional skills of persuasion and manipulation. And, so far, it's been working for him with editors commenting at AfD and AN/I. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 16:05, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Pat Eddery

Lede needs a bigger paragraph, not two. --George Ho (talk) 04:50, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

@George Ho: I am a bit busier than normal in RL but I will try to get to work on it in the next couple of days. Cheers. Jbh 14:27, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Rick Alan Ross (consultant) bio

I want you to know that I have spent some time reading the Misplaced Pages rules. In fact I printed them out and studied them carefully, noting them as I have gone along. This included disruptive editing, tendentious editing, civility, personal attacks, bullying, conflict of interest, other stuff exists, single purpose account, manual of style words to watch, neutral point of view, do not disrupt Misplaced Pages to illustrate a point, dispute resolution, weasel word and identifying reliable sources. These are all areas that at one time you and others have touched upon in comments at the Talk page of my bio. After reading this material I have a much more informed understanding of the Misplaced Pages editing process.Rick Alan Ross (talk) 16:30, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

@Rick Alan Ross: Thank you for taking the time to do that. I believe that will help out a lot on the talk page. Misplaced Pages uses many words in a kind of jargony way so knowing how terms and concepts are used here is imperative. Early on I wrote User:Jbhunley/Common policy misunderstandings to help first time editors. It has no official standing but hopefully it sums up some of the key points the policies are trying to make. Maybe it will be of some help to you. Cheers. Jbh 17:30, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Just printed out and will read and note -- No Original Research. Already have printed out, reviewed and noted other areas listed regarding misunderstandings.Rick Alan Ross (talk) 17:42, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

COI investigations and outing

JBH, I saw your ping at the harassment policy discussion. Don't have time right now to participate with that, but I did write a quick essay addressing what I think some of the issues will be: User:Brianhe/COI investigations and outing policy. Looks like it's not a good time right now to be the nail sticking up wrt outing. Eventually the COI issues will reach a boilover people will agree things will have to change. Maybe the next Orangemoody type case. – Brianhe (talk) 00:40, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Casey Conway

Can you expand its lede? --George Ho (talk) 19:29, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

@George Ho: Sure. I will take a look at it this weekend. Cheers. Jbh 01:54, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Done Jbh 16:58, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Little help

@Randysokofelet: I repeat: I prefer to keep discussion about Misplaced Pages on Misplaced Pages. This allows others to participate and keeps a public record that may help others. Also, to be blunt, I will not give out an email address to an unknown user with no editing history who states they want to hide the conversation. I have no reason to receive non-public information from you. If you need help with a private matter please contact info-en@wikimedia.org and I or another WP:OTRS volunteer can help you through that system which is set up for such matters. Jbh 13:39, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
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I am a new user of Misplaced Pages so I'd like to talk to you on how best to begin their contribution to Misplaced Pages percent perceive that you are efficient users. I would like to give me some Gmail through which I could and discreetly contact you. Randysokofelet (talk) 23:18, 28 December 2015 (UTC) The best place to go for general information is the WP:TEAHOUSE. There are volunteers there who specialize in helping out new editors. I have placed a welcome message with several links which describe how to edit a Misplaced Pages article as well as the policies and guidelines which apply to content. If, after looking over that material, you have some specific questions or need some help please feel free to leave a message for me here or {{ping}} me by placing `{{ping\|Jbhunley}}` on any talk page and signing the edit with `~~~~`. Cheers! Jbh 00:01, 29 December 2015 (UTC) @Jbhunley: I would like to leave me an gmail or if you do not have to define your Gmail so I can discreetly talk to you, that our conservation be hidden from the public took. Randysokofelet (talk) 00:37, 29 December 2015 (UTC) I prefer to keep discussion about Misplaced Pages on Misplaced Pages. This allows others to participate and keeps a public record that may help others. Also, to be blunt, I do not give out an email address to unknown users with no editing history who states they want to hide the conversation. I have no reason to receive non-public information from you. If you need help with a private matter please contact info-en@wikimedia.org and I or another WP:OTRS volunteer can help you through that system which is set up for such matters. Jbh 09:42, 29 December 2015 (UTC) I'd ask you to leave Gmail through whom I could contact you. Our entire conservation through Gmail will refer to the rules of Misplaced Pages, and nothing else. Please leave Gmail to ask you question. Randysokofelet (talk) 13:06, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

@Randysokofelet: I repeat: I prefer to keep discussion about Misplaced Pages on Misplaced Pages. This allows others to participate and keeps a public record that may help others. Also, to be blunt, I will not give out an email address to an unknown user with no editing history who states they want to hide the conversation. I have no reason to receive non-public information from you. If you need help with a private matter please contact info-en@wikimedia.org and I or another WP:OTRS volunteer can help you through that system which is set up for such matters. Jbh 13:39, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

I am a new user of Misplaced Pages so I'd like to talk to you on how best to begin their contribution to Misplaced Pages percent perceive that you are efficient users. I would like to give me some Gmail through which I could and discreetly contact you. Randysokofelet (talk) 23:18, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

The best place to go for general information is the WP:TEAHOUSE. There are volunteers there who specialize in helping out new editors. I have placed a welcome message with several links which describe how to edit a Misplaced Pages article as well as the policies and guidelines which apply to content. If, after looking over that material, you have some specific questions or need some help please feel free to leave a message for me here or {{ping}} me by placing {{ping|Jbhunley}} on any talk page and signing the edit with ~~~~. Cheers! Jbh 00:01, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

@Jbhunley: I would like to leave me an gmail or if you do not have to define your Gmail so I can discreetly talk to you, that our conservation be hidden from the public took. Randysokofelet (talk) 00:37, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

I prefer to keep discussion about Misplaced Pages on Misplaced Pages. This allows others to participate and keeps a public record that may help others. Also, to be blunt, I do not give out an email address to unknown users with no editing history who states they want to hide the conversation. I have no reason to receive non-public information from you. If you need help with a private matter please contact info-en@wikimedia.org and I or another WP:OTRS volunteer can help you through that system which is set up for such matters. Jbh 09:42, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

I'd ask you to leave Gmail through whom I could contact you. Our entire conservation through Gmail will refer to the rules of Misplaced Pages, and nothing else. Please leave Gmail to ask you question. Randysokofelet (talk) 13:06, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Little help 2

Editor attempting to avoid scrutiny at AfD. @Randysokofelet: please read WP:CANVASS for why your request is completely inappropriate. Please read notability guidelines for geographic places. The article you note is a named geographic feature and there is enough material to write an article. It needs sourcing but it is very unlikely the article would be deleted at AfD. I have placed the article on my watchlist. If you wish to nominate the article for deletion yourself then do so but do not attempt to avoid scrutiny again by asking another editor to do it in your place. Jbh 12:51, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
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My question relates to whether it might be asking a page for deletion by substafd but note that in the discussions in person you write it or copy it when you write it here. I hope that you as a perennial users with good reputation would have a greater chance for successful completion substafd process and permanently delete a page than I, and why would I want to put comment. Randysokofelet (talk) 21:41, 29 December 2015 (UTC) The easiest way to nominate an article for deletion is enable WP:TWINKLE by clicking here and selecting Enable Twinkle Gadget click save and clear your browsers cache. You then go to the article you wish to nominate where you will see a menu item TW select it and then XFD, choose AFD from the drop down list and write the policy based reason for why you think the article should be deleted. The reasons an article can be deleted are described in our Deletion policy. Typically articles are deleted for failing to pass out General notability criteria, other notability criteria. After you nominate the article you can let me know and I will take a look at the nomination and post a comment or !vote. If nominating the article is too involved for you to do just tell me the article title and why you think it should be deleted. I will take a look at it and see what I think. If I feel it should be nominated, based on our deletion policy, I will list it at WP:AFD for you and note your request in the nomination. Jbh 22:43, 29 December 2015 (UTC) I agree with you. Only my request that you personally write a comment for deletion and do not write that I'm suggesting that you do anything. If you can not accept this and I'll write the name of items for deletion. Randysokofelet (talk) 20:49, 30 December 2015 (UTC) I accept no conditions - that is not how this works. If I feel the article needs deletion I will nominate it, if it needs improvement I will see if I can improve it, if I think it is OK I will do nothing. I will not act to help you avoid scrutiny. As it is I find your behavior very dodgy and bordering on inappropriate. If you want me to take a look an an article then tell me the article and why you think it needs to be deleted. Otherwise we are done here. Jbh 23:56, 30 December 2015 (UTC) I remind you that I urge you to personally put a comment for deletion and there is absolutely no mention of my account. I hope you set up a page on the discussion to delete because of this my remarks. I remind you that I want to stay completely anonymous for various reasons. I'm asking you to act like you're asked to delete the item without anyone's suggestions. Tornik is part of Zlatibor mountain and not any particular part.There are peaks such as Čigota,small Tornik,Ljuljaš,Tornik...Height top of Tornik not 1502 meters and it is one of the reasons why the page is applied to erase. Height Tornik is not over 2000 meters and it is the norm of high peaks that are supposed to have their own page in relation to the mountains where they are located. In the case of Serbian mountains, all the peaks over 2,000 meters have their own special pages such as Pogled,Pančić's Peak,,Midžor...Tornik is much lower and it is not necessary to allocate a special page of the page Zlatibor. I have therefore submitted an application for deleting pages Tornik. I hope I have your support in deleting unnecessary and redundant pages Tornik. Simply existent page Zlatibor that mentions enhancing the offer is enough. It would be best to completely copying this to my comments, and set it in the discussion as if your without mentioning me. Or that you get the best part comments percent're efficient and exemplary user. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Randysokofelet (talk • contribs) 06:20, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Editor attempting to avoid scrutiny at AfD. @Randysokofelet: please read WP:CANVASS for why your request is completely inappropriate. Please read notability guidelines for geographic places. The article you note is a named geographic feature and there is enough material to write an article. It needs sourcing but it is very unlikely the article would be deleted at AfD. I have placed the article on my watchlist. If you wish to nominate the article for deletion yourself then do so but do not attempt to avoid scrutiny again by asking another editor to do it in your place. Jbh 12:51, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

My question relates to whether it might be asking a page for deletion by substafd but note that in the discussions in person you write it or copy it when you write it here. I hope that you as a perennial users with good reputation would have a greater chance for successful completion substafd process and permanently delete a page than I, and why would I want to put comment. Randysokofelet (talk) 21:41, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

The easiest way to nominate an article for deletion is enable WP:TWINKLE by clicking here and selecting Enable Twinkle Gadget click save and clear your browsers cache. You then go to the article you wish to nominate where you will see a menu item TW select it and then XFD, choose AFD from the drop down list and write the policy based reason for why you think the article should be deleted. The reasons an article can be deleted are described in our Deletion policy. Typically articles are deleted for failing to pass out General notability criteria, other notability criteria. After you nominate the article you can let me know and I will take a look at the nomination and post a comment or !vote.

If nominating the article is too involved for you to do just tell me the article title and why you think it should be deleted. I will take a look at it and see what I think. If I feel it should be nominated, based on our deletion policy, I will list it at WP:AFD for you and note your request in the nomination. Jbh 22:43, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

I agree with you. Only my request that you personally write a comment for deletion and do not write that I'm suggesting that you do anything. If you can not accept this and I'll write the name of items for deletion. Randysokofelet (talk) 20:49, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

I accept no conditions - that is not how this works. If I feel the article needs deletion I will nominate it, if it needs improvement I will see if I can improve it, if I think it is OK I will do nothing. I will not act to help you avoid scrutiny. As it is I find your behavior very dodgy and bordering on inappropriate. If you want me to take a look an an article then tell me the article and why you think it needs to be deleted. Otherwise we are done here. Jbh 23:56, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

I remind you that I urge you to personally put a comment for deletion and there is absolutely no mention of my account. I hope you set up a page on the discussion to delete because of this my remarks. I remind you that I want to stay completely anonymous for various reasons. I'm asking you to act like you're asked to delete the item without anyone's suggestions. Tornik is part of Zlatibor mountain and not any particular part.There are peaks such as Čigota,small Tornik,Ljuljaš,Tornik...Height top of Tornik not 1502 meters and it is one of the reasons why the page is applied to erase. Height Tornik is not over 2000 meters and it is the norm of high peaks that are supposed to have their own page in relation to the mountains where they are located. In the case of Serbian mountains, all the peaks over 2,000 meters have their own special pages such as Pogled,Pančić's Peak,,Midžor...Tornik is much lower and it is not necessary to allocate a special page of the page Zlatibor. I have therefore submitted an application for deleting pages Tornik. I hope I have your support in deleting unnecessary and redundant pages Tornik. Simply existent page Zlatibor that mentions enhancing the offer is enough. It would be best to completely copying this to my comments, and set it in the discussion as if your without mentioning me. Or that you get the best part comments percent're efficient and exemplary user. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Randysokofelet (talk • contribs) 06:20, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Ottoman Palestine

Hello Jbhunley. This is being discussed at ANI, and yours is one of the names I recognize. Evidently there are AfDs at Ottoman Palestine and Ottoman Israel. Can you enlighten me on why people are saying Ottoman Palestine is under 1RR? And, do you understand the logic of making Ottoman Palestine into a DAB page? How would that solve any problems? Thanks for any opinion, EdJohnston (talk) 21:03, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

@EdJohnston: The whole thing seems to be a storm-in-a-teacup issue to me. I got involved because of a similar complaint at ANI a day or so ago. I think the poster is getting 1RR by trying to claim the pages fall under ARBPIA but I am not sure.

It looks like the whole thing got started with a discussion over whether the page should redirect to History of Palestine#Ottoman era or Ottoman Syria with Palestine#Ottoman_period and Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem being in the history of the redirect. (I just added those two to the page) Using a DAB was suggested and, I am guessing here, when it was created it come up on the DAB Projects page and one editor brought up a technical issue I can do not understand about too many links. Drama ensued and was shut down. Then some more people from Project DAB showed up and more drama ensued based on specific MOSDAB prerequisites while one of the earlier editors noted that MOSDAB said those prerequisites could be ignored if consensus was that the page would be of use to our readers. Drama ensued.

I believe the issue could be worked out by calm discussion but it looks like there are editors on both sides of the issue who are not willing to listen to each other. Jbh 21:20, 4 January 2016 (UTC)

Re:Welcome

Thank you very much for welcoming me! I feel glad to be here on Misplaced Pages! I'll try my best to make vast improvements to the wiki's content. John "Soap" MacTavish 05:50, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

@Cpt. "Soap" MacTavish: Glad to have you here at Misplaced Pages. If I can be of help please feel free to contact me here at my talk page or {{ping}} me by placing {{ping|Jbhunley}} on any talk page and signing the edit with ~~~~. Jbh 23:08, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Not a problem. Have a good day. John "Soap" MacTavish 09:31, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Edit at ACN

Hi Jbhunley, edits to the Arbitration Committee Noticeboard may only be made by the members of the Committee or its clerks. I assume you intended to make that edit to the Noticeboard's talk page, so I'll be moving that comment there shortly. Thanks. On behalf of the Committee, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 13:41, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

@L235: Sorry, my error. Thank you. Jbh 13:51, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Steve Hassan bio

I noticed that you have the Misplaced Pages article on Releasing the Bonds up for deletion.

Are you planning to edit the Steve Hassan bio? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rick Alan Ross (talk • contribs)

I may do a bit of clean up, some based on your suggestions, but I am not doing much content or even gnome editing right now per the banner's on my user and talk pages. Jbh 17:47, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Main Page

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Main Page. Legobot (talk) 00:12, 14 January 2016 (UTC)