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Edit on Sex differences in intelligence

Hi, when making changed in articles like this it is best to adhere to WP:MEDRS to make sure we are getting the best possible evidence. I know that the statement you added is covered by newer secondary sources. A primary source from 1998 holds very little weight compared to a newer high quality review.

If you want a tip is to look for review articles from the past 5 years. Please update the statement or it is very likely be removed. CFCF 💌 📧 14:38, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

Can you check over the gender differences in empathy column to make sure all my edits are acceptable? I cited them with very credible journal sources and I don't want them deleted.

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Editing sex differences in intelligence NOVEMBER 25 NEW POST

For: User:CFCF User:Monochrome Monitor User:Flyer22 Reborn User:Peleio Aquiles User:Agnes Browne

https://en.wikipedia.org/Sex_differences_in_intelligence

Some of the sources on this page are from the 90s which seems pretty outdated. The latest sources seem to be from early 2000s even though newer studies have been published since then. I want your permission if I can cite a 2008 study on sex differences in intelligence with a sample size of 7000....and I am asking this because I don't want my edit undone.This is the study I want to cite and edit with:

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/222660770_Sex_differences_in_latent_cognitive_abilities_ages_6_to_59_Evidence_from_the_WoodcockJohnson_III_tests_of_cognitive_abilities

I also want to delete the sources from 1999 and 1998 because they are too old and update them with other newer sources that I have. What's your take?

User:Doe1994

Please sign with 4 tildes like this : ~~~~ and you will be able to ping properly.
I here take the liberty to ping Monochrome Monitor, Flyer22 Reborn, Peleio Aquiles, and Agnes Browne properly. I have also moved this section to your talk-page, as other users should not be editing your user page.
Anyway, that study, while moderate in size is still neither a meta-analysis nor a secondary source and may very well be controversial. I would therefor try and see if it has been mentioned in any review articles post-publication. As a general rule, if not or if it has received extensive criticism you would do best to omit it.
I can quickly tell you that in the English language literature I can only find 1 review citation in: General and specific effects on cattell-horn-carroll broad ability composites: Analysis of the woodcock- johnson III normative update cattell-horn-carroll factor clusters across development - making it quite low-impact. I would refrain from using it.
So, to the question of the 1990's and early 2000's articles, yes they should be removed, but as so much of the article builds upon them, it may be best to replace them with higher quality sources as you go along. Unfortunately these articles are in a state of disrepair and because they are controversial work is slow, but if you get hold of high quality reviews there should be no problem. CFCF 💌 📧 12:40, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

User:CFCF

I don't see any problem with your cited review and my Woodcock study. It says to include both the g factor and test specific abilities which I intend to do. My edit would also simply be Visual-spatial ability favouring males and Psychometric G favouring females. My Woodcock study also appears on the 2008 Journal of Intelligence which you know it's the most credible literature on IQ. Being published in the Journal of Intelligence meant it did get reviewed and accepted as a credible study.

I also talked to Professor Timothy Keith who was the head researcher of the study on Woodcock-Johnson III, this was what he said:

Actions Keith, Timothy Z (tzkeith@austin.utexas.edu) Add to contacts 05/11/2015 Keep this message at the top of your inbox To: feynmantoronto@outlook.com

tzkeith@austin.utexas.edu

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this, Sarah. In my opinion, Raven’s is a good measure of g, but as you point out, also measures some specific qualities that are not g This is the problem with any single measure and the reason to use multiple measures of abilities to allow an examination of differences on the latent construct

Best regards Tim Keith

<----- His college faculty profile

So yes, based on his professional opinion it's a good idea to add latent constructs and variables to the wiki page on sex differences in intelligence. G or the general factor is the variation across different measures of IQ which includes Culture fair as well as Woodcock-Johnson

This study also consists of a 6900 participant sample (which is very large) extending from the ages 9-59 years old with multiple races. So it's a very diverse and large sample. I'm sure we can add non-meta analysis since we have already done so in the past.

I also happened to find another study which correlates with this one. A 2006 Woodcock-Johnson sex difference multi-study (Camarta and Woodcock 2006) from the Journal of Intelligence which included a sample size of 14,000 participants from 3 separate studies. The results were an increase in boys lower performance in Gs (General factor- Processing speed) in developing age. These two studies put together would form a participant size of 21,000 people which is as good as a meta-analysis.

- Sciencedirect abstract version with reference to Journal of Intelligence

- Fully study version

Doe1994 (talk) 14:18, 26 November 2015 (UTC)User:Doe1994 Doe1994 (talk) 14:18, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Try not to combine studies, it's WP:SYNTH. You're doing a fantastic job though (trying to not sound patronizing). --Monochrome_Monitor 19:36, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

User talk:Monochrome Monitor

Yeah I won't. But I was just trying to say that both Woodcock Johnson studies consist altogether 21,000 participants, but they are left out from[REDACTED] sex difference intelligence section...since the page doesn't seem updated. I think we should include both these studies but of course separately.(uncombined)

Doe1994 (talk) 19:47, 26 November 2015 (UTC)User talk:Doe1994 Doe1994 (talk) 19:47, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Gotcha. --Monochrome_Monitor 03:14, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

User:CFCF

Also the Woodcock Johnson test measures The Cattell–Horn–Carroll theory factors based on 9 broad stratum abilities which are: Comprehension-Knowledge, Long-Term Retrieval, Visual-Spatial Thinking, Auditory Processing, Fluid Reasoning, Processing Speed, Short-Term Memory, Quantitative Knowledge and Reading-Writing. So it is an excellent test.

Doe1994 (talk) 19:35, 30 November 2015 (UTC)Doe1994 (talk) 19:35, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

That says nothing about the quality of the source. CFCF 💌 📧 19:49, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

User:CFCF

My source or study is a publication from the 2008 issue of Journal of Intelligence. As you know, that's the best journal on human intelligenceor mental abilities, and it's publications are also processed through a scholarly committee.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289607001328

Doe1994 (talk) 20:04, 30 November 2015 (UTC)Doe1994 (talk) 20:04, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

But it is still a primary source - I have already suggested you read WP:RS, WP:MEDRS and WP:SCIRS. If you follow the suggestions there you will find it is much easier to contribute to Misplaced Pages. CFCF 💌 📧 21:10, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

User:CFCF

?? But it's not a primary source since it builds upon Camarta(2005) which also had used Woodcock Johnson test to check for sex differences. That study used a sample size of 4253 and found same sex differences.

Not to mention this study also builds upon the past literature on sex differences in intelligence, even going up to citing Lynn.

So which part of the study do you think is a "primary" if it already has been done before?

Doe1994 (talk) 21:29, 30 November 2015 (UTC)User:Doe1994 Any new data provided in a source is primary research. That established methods are used in no way makes it less of a primary source. Misplaced Pages generally considers review articles or professional textbooks to be quality sources, and all you need to know about this is available at WP:MEDRS. I have explained this, and I would again suggest you read the guidelines, I do not think I am alone in having my patience tested.CFCF 💌 📧 23:38, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

User:CFCF

Alright, then I guess you won't have a problem if I cite meta analysis.

23:50, 30 November 2015 (UTC)Doe1994 (talk)User:Doe1994 Doe1994 (talk) 23:50, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

No, I'd be delighted. :) CFCF 💌 📧 20:23, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

The angle of your edits

User:Flyer22

Should I remove them if it's not a primary source? Those are not my words but from the Journal of Human Molecular Genetics.

At least, I caught your attention. You have not responded to my messages for days.

Doe1994 (talk) 22:22, 30 November 2015 (UTC)User:Doe1994 Doe1994 (talk) 22:22, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Secondary Source

User:CFCF

Can this be considered a secondary source?

http://www.researchgate.net/publication/265859585_Empathy_Gender_Effects_in_Brain_and_Behavior

Doe1994 (talk) 20:21, 1 December 2015 (UTC)User:doe1994 Doe1994 (talk) 20:21, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Yupp, excellent. An easy way to check is to look at pubmed and find the article. If under "publication types, mesh terms, grant support" it is classified as a review you are good to go. Keep in mind that even review articles should be given appropriate weight, and if there is another qualitative review with other conclusions you should probably include both.

Also, remember you can link/cite articles by entering the Pubmed id such as PMID 25236781: PMID 25236781 or in the visual editors autogenerator which is very useful for others who are looking for more information on the article. Pubmed also allows you to search for only review-type articles, which makes finding them much easier. (Linking the full article through researchgate may actually be Misplaced Pages:Copyright violation.) CFCF 💌 📧 20:33, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

User:CFCF

For some reason[REDACTED] won't let me cite researchgate.com. It automatically converts it into a sciencedirect.com abstract.

User:doe1994

Yes, its seeing it as copyright violation. Use the pubmed ID instead. CFCF 💌 📧 20:48, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

The way you cited in Sex differences in intelligence is perfect:

A 2011 meta-analysis from 242 studies published between 1990 and 2007, representing the testing of 1,286,350 people found no overall gender difference in Mathematics performance. The meta-analysis also found that although there were no overall differences, a small gender difference favouring males in complex problem solving is still present in high school.

<ref>{{Cite journal|title = New Trends in Gender and Mathematics Performance: A Meta-Analysis|url = http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3057475/|journal = Psychological bulletin|date = 2010-11-01|issn = 0033-2909|pmc = 3057475|pmid = 21038941|pages = 1123-1135|volume = 136|issue = 6|doi = 10.1037/a0021276|first = Sara M.|last = Lindberg|first2 = Janet Shibley|last2 = Hyde|first3 = Jennifer L.|last3 = Petersen|first4 = Marcia C.|last4 = Linn}}</ref>

References

Lindberg, Sara M.; Hyde, Janet Shibley; Petersen, Jennifer L.; Linn, Marcia C. (2010-11-01). "New Trends in Gender and Mathematics Performance: A Meta-Analysis". Psychological bulletin. 136 (6): 1123–1135. doi:10.1037/a0021276. ISSN 0033-2909. PMC 3057475. PMID 21038941.

CFCF 💌 📧 20:52, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

CFCF

I ran into a problem in the wiki article "Aggression"

In the section "gender", someone had edited in that past:

Many studies have found differences in the types of aggression used by males and females, at least in children and adolescents. Females between the ages of 10 and 14, around puberty age, show a more extreme rate of relational aggression compared to boys. These findings are true for Western society, but are not true of all cultures. In countries such as Kenya it has been found that young boys and girls have very similar rates of physical aggression

Yet it does not conform entirely with the study cited by the editor which had stated:

Boys reported being more physically aggressive than girls across all nine countries; no consistent gender differences emerged in relational aggression. Despite mean-level differences in relational and physical aggression across countries, the findings provided support for cross-country similarities in associations between relational and physical aggression as well as links between gender and aggression

So what should be done about this? Should I re-edit it to conform it to the source or leave it alone?

Doe1994 (talk) 20:02, 2 December 2015 (UTC)User:doe1994 Doe1994 (talk) 20:02, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

If you have better sources, especially when the old source is a primary source feel free to remove old content. CFCF 💌 📧 21:08, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

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About primary sources, and formatting

Doe1994, regarding this edit you made, keep in mind that primary sources are allowed. Review the WP:Primary sources policy again. It's just that we generally should not rely heavily on them, and should usually avoid them for medical/health content. WP:MEDDATE shows exceptions; as is clear by WP:MEDDATE, in some cases a medical topic is not heavily researched and so we may rely on primary sources more so for that topic.

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Editing the sex differences in intelligence page

User:Flyer22

I wanted to divide the Current Research section into subsections consisting of those in favor of male advantage in intelligence (Lynn and rushton) and those who are not (Colom, Flynn). Then I also wanted to add another subsection on the latest findings and theories of sex differences in intelligence (Johnson) because it is more sophisticated. I also want to distinguish between the different types of IQ tests because the page uses the word IQ too loosely for example not highlighting male advantage in IQ only on the WAIS and Raven's and not other types of test such as PMA, Woodcock and Catell's Culture fair. So as a result of these changes, the page will be easier to read and understand the trends on sex differences in the last decade and up till now. Wanted your opinion and advice on this:

Doe1994 (talk) 06:57, 15 December 2015 (UTC)user:doe1994 Doe1994 (talk) 06:57, 15 December 2015 (UTC) your opinion and advice on this matter.

You divided the content. I don't see a problem with that, except that we use "and" instead of "&" for headings, unless the "&" is an official part of the title. Also keep in mind that, per MOS:Paragraphs, subheadings usually are not needed for a little bit of material. Too many headings can also make an article look significantly bigger than it is and therefore make it harder to navigate through from the table of contents. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:21, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

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Any tips on how I can de-orphan an article?

User:Flyer22 I have already added a lot of links at the bottom of my wiki articles. But the "this page is an orphan" notice still pops up. What can I do more (aside from linking it with similar articles) to de-orphan them?

Shootingstar88 (talk) 04:43, 30 December 2015 (UTC)User:shootingstar88 Shootingstar88 (talk) 04:43, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

The WP:Ping didn't work; you have link my full name (Flyer22 Reborn) for it to work. That stated, I have your user page/talk page on my WP:Watchlist; so there is no need to ping me to your talk page. I just noticed you because of this edit; I see that you changed your username.

As for how to de-oprhan articles, see WP:Orphan, and especially the WP:CANTDEORPHAN part of it. Linking to related articles and removing the "orphaned" tag is usually all it takes to fix the problem. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:50, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

User:Flyer22

I solved the orphan issue so thanks anyway

Shootingstar88 (talk) 23:55, 31 December 2015 (UTC)User:shootingstar88 Shootingstar88 (talk) 23:55, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

How do I change the name of an article?

User:Flyer22

I misspelled the title of one of my articles by mistake. How do I change it's name?

Shootingstar88 (talk) 01:21, 7 January 2016 (UTC)User:shootingstar88 Shootingstar88 (talk) 01:21, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

WP:DYK-nomination

Hey, I wanted to let you know that your article Sex differences in cognition passes the requirements for WP:DYK. Running it through that process will allow it to be featured on the Main page. CFCF 💌 📧 00:18, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

User:CFCF

How do I create the "Did you know" template and what do I do after?

Shootingstar88 (talk) 00:50, 12 January 2016 (UTC)User:shootingstar88 Shootingstar88 (talk) 00:50, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Go to WP:DYKN and follow the instructions there. Good luck! CFCF 💌 📧 00:52, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

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Removing copyright source. Restoring my deleted edits (Except for the copyright materal).

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So can I restore it after I get permission? I personally know both David Caruso and John Mayers who are the authors of that material. I will contact them, screenshot our exchange here and then can I restore the page?

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Why can't I just screenshot our conversation and his email through hotmail and copy/paste it here as evidence?

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Edit on Sex differences in emotional intelligence

User:Charlotte

Revert back the changes. That is not what the current literature on emotional intelligence is. There is only two tests of EI and they are MSCEIT and TIE. Women outperform men on both both as indicated by the latest meta-analysis at the bottom section of the page. Here is current meta-analytic literature on gender and emotional intelligence:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/41087511_Emotional_Intelligence_An_Integrative_Meta-Analysis_and_Cascading_Model

Also take note that the page is based on ability tests. So self-reporting assessments are not included. Women outperform men on both but I excluded the self-reporting because it is not accurate. Shootingstar88 (talk) 01:19, 18 January 2016 (UTC)User:shootingstar88 Shootingstar88 (talk) 01:19, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Shootingstar88, you might need to ask Mark Arsten (the editor who imposed Charlotte135's domestic violence topic ban) about Charlotte135 (talk · contribs)'s behavior. From what I see, Charlotte135 is following you to articles, and this can be a form of WP:Hounding. Charlotte135 has gone from one field (domestic violence) where gender differences are strongly noted and/or debated to other fields where gender differences are strongly noted and/or debated, and is not sticking to the literature with WP:Due weight. This type of thing is why I requested some sort of WP:MRMPS (probation enforcement) for Charlotte135. Although Charlotte135 has repeatedly rejected claims of being a men's rights editor, all of those articles are of interest to men's rights editors. A ban from gender topics can be imposed on Charlotte135 in the future. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 02:03, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

User:Flyer22 Reborn

Wow, I didn't think Charlotte was a men's right activist until I clicked on your link. When I saw him linking this http://web.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm, I knew for a fact he was MRA (most popular MRA reference for DV). This guy is trouble. Admin need to keep an eye on him.

Shootingstar88 (talk) 02:17, 18 January 2016 (UTC)User:shootingstar88 Shootingstar88 (talk) 02:17, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Awilley or Guerillero, two administrators who weighed in on the topic ban discussion, might be willing to help too. You need to be careful to stick to the sources with due weight, do what Diannaa advised you to do above, and don't WP:Edit war. Well, you can get away with one or two reverts. But it's best to stop after one revert and then make your case on the talk page. You can also seek a form of WP:Dispute resolution. If the matter becomes a case you feel you need to report at WP:ANI, you can ask me for help in assisting you with that. You can also ask me for help on other matters. It's best that Charlotte135 and I avoid each other, though; we are like oil and water. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 02:32, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello shootingstar. The appropriate steps to take if you disagree with another editor is to comment on the talk page of the article. Or and please feel welcome in future, comment on my talk page. I am more than open discussing your editing with you and my edits with you. Why Flyer22 has become involved is perplexing? And I wish no discourse with Flyer22reborn. Thank you.Charlotte135 (talk) 03:30, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Also please don't personally attack me by bringing up an irrelevant matter. I don't appreciate it. Let's discuss. But do it formally. Thank you and I look forward to working with you constructively, respectfully and in good faith.Charlotte135 (talk) 03:33, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Quick note to flyer. Why would I be following shooting star?? Makes no sense. I have never had any involvement on any article with shooting star! Period. I have expertise in psychometrics Flyer. Full stop.Charlotte135 (talk) 03:40, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

User:Charlotte135

As long as you know the differences between primary studies, meta-analysis and reviews. On the sex difference in emotional intelligence page, you would find that I cited the latest meta-analysis on emotional intelligence (tens and tens of studies) which suggests greater female EI (Joseph & Newman 2010) as well as three meta-analysis of sex differences in reading body language, processing emotions and reading of the mind empathy tests which all amounts to hundreds of studies. Based on hundreds and hundreds of studies analyzed by the authors of these secondary sources, the literature suggests women have greater EI. Hence that is what I put on the wikipage, just so you now know.

Shootingstar88 (talk) 03:48, 18 January 2016 (UTC)User:shootingstar88 Shootingstar88 (talk) 03:48, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi. Respectfully would you kindly take this to the article talk page. I say that so all editors in the community have an opportunity to discuss. thank you.Charlotte135 (talk) 03:58, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

By the way shootingstar I'm a woman, not a guy. Show some RESPECT would you please!Charlotte135 (talk) 04:06, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

I'm seeing a pattern here. Charlotte135, you are editing articles in a single-topic area in a manner that is closely tracking an editor with a lot more history in this area. I suggest that you stop. Montanabw 05:42, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

To answer Charlotte135 as to why I became involved, look higher up on the talk page; I've been in contact with Shootingstar88, and we've edited some of the same articles (including the Sex differences in intelligence article). You knew that. You saw Shootingstar88 editing domestic violence articles, and you even complained about Shootingstar88 editing the Intimate partner violence article. You stated, "Disturbingly though, while this witch hunt goes on and on, much to the pleasure of Flyer22reborn and her colleagues, editors are quietly continuing to quickly delete significant sections of the intimate partner violence section, basically in an attempt to convey to readers that men are the only perpetrators of IPV and women the victims. As anyone here can obviously see that is just not what the science says! Is this what Misplaced Pages represents? I'm a woman, but I'm also a scientist, and it is clear that the frantic additions to support a topic ban above, is about this censorship and agenda on Misplaced Pages and it appears."

You recently started following Shootingstar88; anyone with common sense can see that. And when I report you at WP:ANI for WP:Hounding and more disruptive editing in the gender field, others will see it as well. And by the way, I don't believe anything you state about being a scientist, or what you state now about having expertise in psychometrics. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 16:51, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Shootingstar88, per WP:Talk, I removed this section (followup edit here) because it was off-topic and had diverged into a back and forth argument between me and Charlotte135 about Charlotte135 hounding you and Charlotte135's claims to the contrary. I gave Charlotte135 ample warning in that section. If I see Charlotte135 continuing to hound you and/or edit disruptively on gender topics or gender aspects, as in this case you had to revert, I will report Charlotte135 at WP:ANI. Or you can report Charlotte135 there and WP:Ping me (remember to type my full username of "Flyer22 Reborn," not just "Flyer22"; otherwise, I won't get the ping). Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 02:06, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Here is the full transcript that Flyer22reborn took it upon themselves to remove (authority?) with all the personal attacks, assumptions, baseless accusations, intimidatory and bullying techniques, and inaccuracies. I would and can clearly defend my recent editing so if you wish to take it to ANI for scrutiny and possible boomerang and your own editing, and possible POV also scrutinized by the community please, do so. Otherwise stop the childish nonsense Flyer22. I'm over it with you.Charlotte135 (talk) 03:43, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Telling the truth is not engaging in personal attacks. You can keep thinking that people are so stupid that they cannot recognize the pattern of your editing, but, as the aforementioned topic ban discussion shows, they are not. People are not so stupid that they cannot see that you have been following Shootingstar88 and why you have been doing so; the motive (your own commentary about what type of editor you pegged Shootingstar88 for) is clear. Denying it makes you look bad and ignorant of other people's intelligence. The stalking pattern will be analyzed by editors should I report you, likely with one of the analyzer tools as well. There will be no WP:BOOMERANG should I decide to report you if I see more asinine edits like this, and you popping up at more articles that Shootingstar88 edits. I will carefully present my case, just like that last time. In the meantime, like I told you, feel free to report me for my supposed "personal attacks, assumptions, baseless accusations, intimidatory and bullying techniques, and inaccuracies" towards you. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 04:00, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Oh, and there was no need for you to link to "the full transcript" since I already had; it's the same exact link. I have nothing to hide when it comes to what I stated in that discussion. I will indeed link to it should I report you again at WP:ANI. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 04:13, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Ok. So be it. On that report I will note Shootingstar's entire editing history, your POV, and any other factors. Please do read my own talk page though first Flyer22 and the only reason I corrected Shootingstar's 3 recently created articles and the actual diffs I have made. Because as far as I can see you are accusing me of gender editing??? How exactly, what edits, exactly?? I have made grammatical, spelling neutral tone etc edits only. Not gender edits!!!! I have learnt your tricks to discredit other editors. When you point out my history I will carefully and meticulously line up ALL of the huge number of occasions YOU have been dragged to ANI since you joined Misplaced Pages by now Flyer including all of your sockpuppetry. At some point, and after your long, long history of being the subject of ANI incidents, the boomerang effect may just come back and bite you on the bum. Time will tell. This time I will defend myself vigorously, believe me. Shootingstar's own editing history will also be scrutinized remember. So be it.Charlotte135 (talk) 04:25, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Like I stated, feel free. Most times editors have dragged...or tried to drag...me to WP:ANI, they've gotten a WP:BOOMERANG or close to it. Editors can obviously check all of the times I've been to WP:ANI and what for, and they will at no point see that the threads were consistently closed with the conclusion that Flyer22 is WP:Disruptive; they will see that those threads usually concerned disruptive editors that Flyer22 had to put up with. Unlike you, experienced Wikipedians know how to do their homework on matters. For example, I already told you that I was cleared of the sockpuppet cases; my block log has clear statements about that (only those with poor comprehension skills fail to notice it); I was unblocked by the WP:CheckUser who blocked me. Just about all of what you state there about me will be irrelevant. Not to mention...inaccurate. No gender edits, you state? This is a gender edit, and it was wrong; you keep ignoring that, but it's a shining example of the type of biased, unable-to-adhere-to-the-literature editing you engage in. Shootingstar88 is heavily involved in editing articles about sex/gender differences or aspects relating to that. You previously badmouthed the editor. You've been following the editor. Easy to see. You defended yourself vigorously in the previous WP:ANI thread I started on you, believe me. Didn't work then; won't work in the future. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 04:50, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Ha, ha. Is this edit what this all over??? I have been scratching my head wondering what you are talking about bringing gender into the equation. Oh, my goodness. Look at my edits Flyer22. You and anyone will clearly see that shootingstar in the articles they have recently created and articles they have edited, has a tendency to use non neutral tone. Significantly so. I have pulled them up on it. Corrected it. And I think we have moved on. But you have not. That is my point. YOU are hounding me! Go away please. If you do report me based on me simply correcting non neutral tone based on Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Words to watch remember this, yours and Shootingstar's work will be on show! Or maybe, just maybe back down, take a deep breath, and drop the childish threats and then, go, away! Please! Up to you.Charlotte135 (talk) 05:14, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

This is not a neutral tone; that is undermining the literature. Many of your other recent edits leave much to be desired. You can deny, deny, deny all you want and assert, assert, assert all you want that I am hounding you or otherwise treating you unfairly; it never works. So do cease and desist from such silly claims. As for going away, you wanted me to go away in this discussion; I did, per what I stated above. You then decided to come here to this talk page and rant with more silliness and denials. You cannot ban me from another editor's talk page. I already told you, "since Shootingstar88 is very much still learning the ropes of Misplaced Pages and I've been mentoring him (or her), it would not be wise for me to leave that mentoring job up to you." I've been at this talk page all along, and have been mentoring Shootingstar88; he (or she) has significantly improved as an editor, unlike certain others. And you are the last person this editor needs fouling up their edits. But do feel free to make your grammar corrections and edits based on WP:Words to watch. Just take note that it's a guideline, not a policy, and states at the very top, partly in bold, "The advice in this guideline is not limited to the examples provided and should not be applied rigidly." Also keep in mind everything I stated above; I know I will. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 05:39, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Please enlighten me with all of the diffs indicating which of my "other recent edits leave much to be desired" ? That's very insulting Flyer22! Surely you could provide them here so I can improve my own editing (if needed). I'm open to constructive criticism. That's what adults do Flyer22. And by the way is there any other edits whatsoever which show me editing in any gender biased manner, in any way possible??Charlotte135 (talk) 05:55, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Please feel free to write to me on my own talk page instead. This is another editor's talk page. Also given you doubt my vocation, would you like me to send you my list of journal publications and CV? Again, how insulting! Your personal attacks don't stop. Diffs please either way?Charlotte135 (talk) 06:10, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

And a quick question I forgot to ask shootingstar earlier and was missed in translation and all this nonsense. Both of you stated "There is only two tests of EI and they are MSCEIT and TIE" Have I heard you both correctly? That is, do you both truly believe there are only 2 published psych tests for EI? Keen to hear from both of you on that question please. And the diffs please Flyer22 rebvorn.Charlotte135 (talk) 07:04, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

User: Charlotte135

Yes there are only two ability tests for EI. All other tests or inventories are based on self-reporting.

Shootingstar88 (talk) 16:20, 19 January 2016 (UTC)User:shootingstar88 Shootingstar88 (talk) 16:20, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Just a note: Since I dislike when Charlotte135 misrepresents me, I'll go ahead and relay that I did not state "There is only two tests of EI and they are MSCEIT and TIE." Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:11, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

I take it that you have no actual diffs, apart from the single one above Flyer22reborn? That one single diff you presented is what you believe I should be banned from all gender topics for!! What a joke! What a bully hiding behind a computer screen, especially with your very long history of sockpuppetry and blocks! Even though you said it was your brother in your parents place, not you, I'm not so sure. And you have the nerve to bring my recent history on one single topic where you and your gang successfully got me banned for trying to present what the scientific empirical research unequivocally showsLeave me the hell alone, and take your baseless claims and utter crud elsewhere. As I said earlier, if you would like a copy of my published journal articles, resume and birth certificate proving my gender and my credentials as a respected scientist, please, just let me know! Why don't you stop threatening other good faith editors on Misplaced Pages that challenge your agendas, and get on with editing and show some RESPECT.Charlotte135 (talk) 06:23, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

User:Charlotte135

I'm sorry but stop lying. You're not a scientist, or else you would have know the differences between different studies such as reviews and meta-analysis. Secondly, your "empirical research" on domestic violence that you linked is NOT from a journal. it is from a controversial university professor's site and therefore not peer reviewed through an editorial board. Thirdly, some of those studies were from the 80s and 90s and therefore used the old Conflict tactics scale 1 and not the new Conflict tactics scales 2 that actually contextualizes DV. The fact that you cited that link tells me you are a Men's rights activist because they are known to cite that link and is even found on their controversial AVoiceformen's website.

Shootingstar88 (talk) 16:13, 20 January 2016 (UTC)User:shootingstar88 Shootingstar88 (talk) 16:13, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

I have no interest discussing this very specific topic of domestic violence and intimate partner violence, and won't engage. Sorry. You obviously have a passion for it though based on all your edits. Which is great.Charlotte135 (talk) 20:50, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

By the way, I think you meant to say ....systematic review and meta-analysis. Just a note. It's a common mistake first uni and school students sometimes make too.Charlotte135 (talk) 21:05, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for that, Shootingstar88. I was alerted via email that Charlotte135 is also telling all sorts of falsehoods at the Charlotte135 talk page to Biscuittin, who appears to believing Charlotte135's every word. Oh well.

And, Charlotte135, I couldn't care less what you think about my block log, since you continue to misrepresent it...either out of bias or because you have some problem reading the edit summaries there in the block log. If you think that's a long history of blocks, goodness knows what you would think in the case of an editor who actually has a long history of blocks. But you are more than free to ask checkuser Alison about my sockpuppet blocks; she is the one who had the discussion via Skype with me and my brother about what went on. Alison also thoroughly checked other matters to firmly conclude that I was not socking. If you don't believe her or think I fooled her somehow, oh well. But you would be mistaken. Continue to try and deflect by bringing up my history; I'll ignore you. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 20:15, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Hello Flyer22 and shootingstar. Your "I was alerted via email......" comment Flyer22, is rather interesting. Who, I wonder, alerted you to that? Would you care to name the person? Perhaps Biscuittin may be interested too for a number of reasons.Charlotte135 (talk) 20:38, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I am interested. Biscuittin (talk) 23:01, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

January 2016

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for violating copyright policy by copying text or images into Misplaced Pages from another source without verifying permission. You have been previously warned that this is against policy, but have persisted.

Please take this opportunity to be sure you understand our copyright policy and our policies regarding how to use non-free content. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 14:24, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

{unblock|reason= User:DiannaaWhat??? What did I even get blocked for!?? Shootingstar88 (talk) 17:18, 21 January 2016 (UTC)}

You introduced into Sex differences in crime material copied word-for-word from https://www.researchgate.net/publication/255579144_Are_Girls_More_Violent_Today_than_a_Generation_Ago_Probably_Not. This happened after warnings were issued to you on December 19 and January 17. On January 17, I specified it was your final warning. — Diannaa (talk) 19:32, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

{unblock|reason= User:Diannaa

Noo I did NOT. This is exactly what I wrote: However the increase is not due to rise in women's violence, but net-widening policy shifts that charged physical attacks with marginal seriousness.

This was this study's original quote below

However, UCR police counts show a sharp rise in female-to-male arrests for criminal assault during the past decade or so but that rise is not borne out in NCVS counts based on victims’ reports and in MTF counts based on self-reported violent offending. Net-widening policy shifts (e.g., policing physical attacks/threats of marginal seriousness that girls in relative terms are more likely to commit) and more gender-neutral enforcement have apparently escalated the arrest proneness of adolescent females for “criminal assault https://www.researchgate.net/publication/255579144_Are_Girls_More_Violent_Today_than_a_Generation_Ago_Probably_Not

How on EARTH IS THIS WORD FOR WORD???

Shootingstar88 (talk) 17:18, 21 January 2016 (UTC)}

See below, material that is identical is marked in bold.

Your text:

However the increase is not due to rise in women's violence, but net-widening policy shifts that charged physical attacks with marginal seriousness

Source:

Net-widening policy shifts (e.g., policing physical attacks/threats of marginal seriousness

Please read our copyright policy Misplaced Pages:Copyright violations and the guideline Misplaced Pages:Plagiarism. — Diannaa (talk) 20:00, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who accepted the request.

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User:Diannaa Aw come on you're seriously going to ban me for three identical words? You could have just told me to change them. It's three words! How long am I ban for anyway? Shootingstar88 (talk) 17:18, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Accept reason:

I am unblocking your account, because you confirm you now have read and understand our copyright policy and intend to abide by it in the future. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 01:12, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Just needs some solid mentoring

Diannaa, from what I see, Shootingstar88 simply needs some solid mentoring in this regard. Moonriddengirl, the main go-to-person on copyright violation or plagiarism violation matters, can help if she's not too busy. She has been clear that it can be tricky trying to summarize material so that there is no copyright violation or plagiarism violation; this is why the WP:Close paraphrasing essay states, "Limited close paraphrasing is appropriate within reason, as is quoting (with or without quotation marks), so long as the material is clearly attributed in the text – for example, by adding 'John Smith wrote ...,' together with a footnote containing the citation at the end of the clause, sentence or paragraph.", and has the Misplaced Pages:Close paraphrasing#When is close paraphrase permitted? section. Moonriddengirl has worked extensively on that essay. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 20:43, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Also see Misplaced Pages:Plagiarism#What is not plagiarism. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 20:47, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Flyer22reborn, this editor was warned repeatedly, from what I can see, and continued without a care in the world. You should have stopped them yourself rather turn around and have a go at Dianna and their fair judgement call. It is not as if shootingstar did not know what they were doing, as you are trying to make out! Why do you and your friends think there is one set of rules here on Misplaced Pages for some, and not others. This type of bias needs to be stamped out. That is a rhetorical question by the way, and I do not wish to engage with you in any way on this. I know you will turn around and personally attack me for saying this, but please, for once focus on you and your friend shootingstar and the fact that they were warned repeatedly and unambiguously and chose to continue, with impunity.Charlotte135 (talk) 22:42, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Charlotte135, you, of all people, should not be gravedancing here. You are one of the people who is disrupting any number of articles with a tendentious-defended POV. Montanabw 22:58, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi Montanabw. Not gravedancing. This needs to be said. True to form you or Flyer22reborn or Gandydancer jumps right in and bullies me and tries to intimidate me personally, instead. Which is what bullies do. This bullying and type of systemic bias needs to stop. Flyer22reborn is so obviously trying to use their influence with other editors and administrators and placing pressure on Dianna for making what I think anyone fair minded would agree was a fair call. My points are fair too. Stop bullying me Montanabw, Flyer22reborn and Gandydancer!Charlotte135 (talk) 23:16, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

If anyone here is bullying it is you Charlotte135—the fact that you followed Shootingstar88 around between articles is enough to show that. CFCF 💌 📧 23:32, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

I am conducting a campaign against bullying on Misplaced Pages and I support what Charlotte135 says. Biscuittin (talk) 23:27, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Biscuittin. I forgot to add CFCF who has bullied me beforte too and is a key member of Flyer22reborn's gang. Another term for this type of bullying is mobbing. What they are all trying to use here are classic bullying tactics. Trying to discredit me to take the focus away from what I am actually saying.Charlotte135 (talk) 23:42, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Charlotte135, this section was not for you to weigh in on. And it's easy to see that Shootingstar88 would rather you not comment at this talk page. I am not interested in your mischaracterizations and falsehoods, such as the ludicrous claim that I was having a "go at Dianna." I am not interested in those you can actually fool into believing that you are being bullied because various well-respected editors have prevented, or tried to prevent, your disruptive editing. Shootingstar88 is a valuable newbie who needs guidance. A newbie who you want to stay indefinitely blocked so that you can more freely continue your disruptive editing, and so that there is no one adding accurate literature to all these gender topics you are so concerned with. Above, I advised Shootingstar88 to listen to Dianna. From what I see, Shootingstar88 tried to do so. I am waiting for Moonriddengirl to weigh in, and I'm sure others are as well. If another section is needed just for that, and to get Moonriddengirl's commentary away from your silliness, that will be done. Or better yet, the above bickering you caused in this subsection will be WP:Hatted. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 00:28, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

User:Diannaa

How long am I blocked for?

Shootingstar88 (talk) 21:16, 22 January 2016 (UTC)User:shootingstar88 Shootingstar88 (talk) 21:16, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Shootingstar88, I suggest you read Misplaced Pages:Guide to appealing blocks. The short answer to your question is that you can successfully appeal a block once you exhibit an understanding of the reason you were blocked and agree not to do that any more -- and are believed to be sincere by those reviewing your request. So far, your appeals above don't indicate that you understand the policies. It is rough, but the problem is that you made a newcomer's mistake, but then kept making it after warnings. Montanabw 23:42, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

User:Diannaa User:Montanabw

Oh..I didn't know that was procedure. Very well, I understand that even copying three notable words from a source is considered plagiarism. I apologize and thank you for clarifying, I won't do it again.

Shootingstar88 (talk) 23:48, 22 January 2016 (UTC)User:shootingstar88 Shootingstar88 (talk) 23:48, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Please confirm that you have read our copyright policy Misplaced Pages:Copyright violations and the guideline Misplaced Pages:Plagiarism, that you understand their contents, and intend to abide by these policies in the future. Thanks, — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 00:48, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

User:Diannaa

Yes I confirm.

Shootingstar88 (talk) 01:06, 23 January 2016 (UTC)User:shootingstar88 Shootingstar88 (talk) 01:06, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

I am unblocking your account, because you confirm you now have read and understand our copyright policy and intend to abide by it in the future. Any further copyright violations will result in your account being re-blocked. If that happens, it's highly unlikely that you will be unblocked a second time. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 01:12, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Outing

Shootingstar88, please do not speculate on another editor's gender, race, religion, nationality or basically, any personally identifiable information that they themselves haven't disclosed. If you have evidence of misconduct, please bring it to an admin or noticeboard or, if warranted, email the information to ArbCom. But WP:OUTING is one of the policies taken most seriously on Misplaced Pages and attempts to discern the real-life identity of an editor will be met with consequences. I'm hoping that this was an idle comment and that you will move on to less confrontational editing. Thanks. Liz 22:24, 28 January 2016 (UTC)