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| TJWhite announces his return to Misplaced Pages after a long period of absence. Misplaced Pages is out of control, so the Misplaced Pages Revolution has returned and will fight to end administrator tyranny on Misplaced Pages. As always, we welcome negotiations via tedjwhite@gmail.com Thank you and have a nice day. ] 17:40, 20 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| == Danae == | |||
| There was a typo in the article, which is now featured on the main page. Sulphurous acid, not sulphuric. | |||
| : This has already been fixed. (Not by me.) Next time, please report errors on MainPage to ]. Thanks. -- ] 23:58, 11 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == The Article of the Day should be changed at midnight == | |||
| Why is the Article of the Day changed at around 4:00PM? Shouldn't it be changed at midnight? I sometimes click out of the internet for a while at around 3:00PM, and at 4:00PM, it is changed. | |||
| *Hi!! The article is changed at midnight according to ] time, which is the official Misplaced Pages time. ] ] 21:53, 11 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::''Phh...'' see the section on "Blatant UK bias" above; why don't they just make HRH the Queen our ceremonial figurehead?! Actually, I initially assumed Jimbo was English because of that. Of course, how many people out of the American South are named "Jimbo"? --] 22:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::This is the "Englsih encyclopeadia" i dont see it anywhere saying the "American.." hehe. <font face="Tahoma" size="1"><small>] (] | ])</small></font> 08:21, 12 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::: I thought Jimbo came from Wales, so we use Wales time in Misplaced Pages. No ? (Hahaha.) -- ] 23:51, 11 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::: Don't be silly. If we were on ] ] we would be using UTC - 12mins 44secs, not UTC. :-P -- ] | ] 02:30, 12 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| actually UTC time is not UP time because we add an hour onto our time during the summer, so the featured article changes at 1pm uk time during the summer. i dont really want BUSH as our head of wikipedia.--] 12:13, 12 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :That would be the joke going WAY over your head. —]<font color=green>]</font>] 14:56, 12 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :or 1''am''. ] ] 15:01, 12 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Excuse me, but the discussion page isn't a chatroom. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 20:18, 12 August 2006 (UTC).</small> | |||
| :What the heck is UTC time? I read Misplaced Pages's article on it, but it doesn't make sense. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 20:27, 14 August 2006 (UTC).</small> | |||
| ::You might know ] better by its former name, Greenwich Mean Time (GMT), (which was renamed in the 70s). ] 23:30, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::I don't think that this subject needs to be discussed here. Obviously the coding of the Misplaced Pages system would have to be changed on the whims of a Wikipedian wanting new articles at his midnight time. Just live with the current timing. Also (as an american) I think the UK bias is not that previlent, and that UTC time is a standard used for many websites and organizations. Besides let the brits have there time zones, we americans will be policing the world with our wealth and power... hahaha --] 21:29, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Yeah, but it was 2:00PM here and they changed it. It wasn't midnight! <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 23:25, 14 August 2006 (UTC).</small> | |||
| so what your basically saying bobak is that its ok to use american time, but not ok to use GMT, the time from which all other times are measured, demands like that perpetuate the sterotype of arrogant americans.] 13:20, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Languages section == | |||
| I don't think it's been discussed here but obviously the languages on the bottom of the main page have been trimmed recently. The English names for the languages were also unfortunately trimmed. Having the English names next to each language wasn't too pretty but it was very functional. I'd like to see them return. ] 07:11, 12 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :You "don't thinked" wrong. ;) It's been discussed recently at length including ], ] and ] and possibly one more place that I can't find. The resu,ting consensus (which was a bit contested) was to remove the translations as they are redundant for people who speak/read a particular language anyway, if someone wants to see the complete list they can go . The reason for the reformation was to make it look less like a jumble of text. There were those against the change entirely and those who wanted the list removed completely, either with a link to the only or with the list moved to the sidebar as per some other language versions. --] 07:43, 12 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::That was a dreadful misjudgement. This is the English language Misplaced Pages. There is a great arrogance and snobbery in not talking to people in their own language: "If you are too ignorant to understand, you don't matter anyway". As the list is now intimidating and largely useless to most English speakers it would be better to remove it altogether unless it is restored. ] 20:59, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Unneeded Romaji Redirects == | |||
| ] has made some redirects to articles in Romaji form. I doubt someone would search "Burajiru" or whatever it was to get to Brazil articles. --] 08:35, 12 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Not really to do with the main page, I don't see the harm in these redirects if they help people who can't remember the "english name" of something. ] and these redirects don't cost much. No harm? Any other opinions? --] 09:12, 12 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::: I thought they were harmless as well. ]]<sup>(])</sup> 09:16, 12 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == 100,000 article sites == | |||
| While I do agree with the 25k and 50k article sites, could there still be the 100k list still including the 25k and 50k lists? ] 14:33, 12 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :There isn't much reason for one; most of the Wikipedias with more than 50k articles also have more than 100k (only Russian, Finnish, Swedish and Chinese do not, and all are rapidly approaching 100k). —]<font color=green>]</font>] 19:17, 12 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == On this Day entry for Berlin wall construction == | |||
| Just a suggestion that maybe the boldfaced words in the blub shouldn't be West Berlin but rather Berlin Wall, as it's the anniversary of the Berlin Wall construction after all! --] 00:20, 13 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Agreed. And if West Berlin is gonna be bolded, oughtn't East Berlin be bolded as well? -] 01:44, 13 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Done. ] - ] 02:23, 13 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :: On MainPage, the boldfaced links indicate featured wikicontent. On TFA, the link to the FA is bolded. On ITN, the link to the wikiarticle updated with the news materials is bolded. On DYK, the link to the new article is bolded. For Selected Anniversaries, the bolded link must refer to an article with the date in the text (one of several rules in editing this section on MainPage). ], ] & ] fit the bill here. However, the ] page is slated to be featured on the anniversary of the destruction of the wall. To avoid double-featuring the same article within the same year (another rule), "West Berlin" was bolded on today's template on the anniversary of the construction. "East Berlin" could have been bolded, too, but one is enough for each line. Perhaps we can alternate each year till one of them becomes a markedly better article. This year, there are only 4 events on the template (a mistake on my part), so I've bent the rules and bolded both East & West Berlin. -- ] 21:28, 13 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Eight-Nation Alliance on Aug 14== | |||
| Can we add the ] occupation of Beijing in 1900 for "On this Day" of Aug 14? I guess I don't have the authority to do it. Thanks. ] 04:53, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *I am not still not sure yet if that article passes #7 of ]: "preferably it should be a relatively complete and well-formatted article". I would still like more references cited before putting it on the main page. ] ] 05:50, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :*The main article for the topic is ], which is pretty solid (though not FA ready). --] | ] 07:17, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :: Thanks for the suggestion. This is not on MainPage because I couldn't confirm the date. In the first paragraph, the ] article says "The brutal uprising crumbled on August 4, 1900 when 20,000 foreign troops entered the Chinese capital, Peking (Beijing)". Scroll down a bit, it says "The International force reached and occupied Beijing on August 14." I question both dates. The has August 14th as the date the Eight-Nation Alliance (minus the Germans) reaching the outskirts of Peking, taking the city gates on the 15th, and occupying most of the city on the 16th. So, was it August 4th, August 14th or August 16th ? We need references. A "safer" anniversary to feature the whole Boxer Rebellion would be the anniversary of the signing of the ]. (The date is on the .) -- ] 12:07, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Zhejiang Death Toll== | |||
| The death toll has risen to 114 in Zhejiang, according to CTV Newsnet. ] 05:22, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : Thanks for the reminder. Actually, the article on the typhoon says 214 (+2 more in the Philippines). I've changed the text on MainPage to "more than 200". Hopefully, we don't need to update the number anymore. BTW, please use ] next time you propose similar minor tweaks of MainPage contents. You may get a quicker response there. --] 12:43, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==AIDS Conference== | |||
| I think that the ] that started last night in Toronto, Canada, warrents inclusion in the "In The News" section. It's the largest conference on HIV/AIDS ever and this is an event that affects the whole world. ] 11:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : Thanks for the suggestion. Please make use of ] if you really think this is major international news that should be on ITN. (I ain't so sure, unless they announce a new treatment and we have a wikiarticle on it.) -- ] 12:29, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == To Pluto or not to be, that is the planet == | |||
| The planet Pluto should be featured on the wikipedia or wikinews front page, because this may be the last time you can do so. Right now there is an astronomical congress in Prague going on, with 3.000 top nerds, who get to decide whether or not Pluto should be demoted to a space pebble and cease to belong to full-glory planets. | |||
| See the BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4789531.stm | |||
| <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 12:16, 14 August 2006 (UTC).</small> | |||
| : Thanks for the suggestion. When such a decision has been made, please update relevent wikiarticles and ''then'' propose a headline for ''In The News'' at ]. Don't forget to update ]. Thanks. -- ] 12:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : I feel like crying :( <small>Ok, enough of the chatroomesque talk page...)</small>--<b><font color="orange">] ] ]</font></b> 13:17, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Somehow, I get the feeling that even ''after'' Pluto is properly classified as a Kuiper belt object, we'll be able to put the article on the front page. --] | ] 16:53, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I know it's not the right place to propose such a thing, but wouldn't it make sense to have ] as Today's Featured Article soon? It's already Featured. I think someone should go and request it if they agree. ] | <sup>]</sup> 17:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : You may want to contact the ] for this. -- ] 19:09, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Prrrrffffff. They think they can tell me what to call things now? Sod that!! It screws up the mnemonics, millions of textbooks will have to be changed for the sake of one pathetic little pedantic moan. To me Pluto will always, until the end of my days, be a *planet*. Thankyou, and tune in next week for another rant on the anally-retentive and methods of bowel-washing. ] 19:13, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == VJ Day Not On "On this Day..." == | |||
| Why in the world is VJ Day not mentioned on the main page in any way? It's quite significant for August 14th. What's the deal? ] 20:38, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : Hang in there. ] will be on MainPage tomorrow, i.e. in about 3 hours. --] 20:47, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::In case any one is confused, V-J Day from the point of view of North America is the 14th, but from the point of view of people in the Pacific was the 15th. ] 20:52, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::The ] has a well-known POV bias. --] | ] 04:25, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Metawiki == | |||
| I tried to click the metawiki icon but my IE browser couldn't open it: it suggested a download of an "unknown" filetype. Maybe an admin oughta have a look n fix it.--] | <small>]</small> 21:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : I'm not sure what the problem was. I clicked on the icon and meta's MainPage showed up on screen as expected. Perhaps someone has fixed it already. -- ] 21:43, 14 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Rampant Australian Bias== | |||
| An article on a South Australian bus system followed by one on Queensland's biggest pest as articles of the day? Clearly examples of Misplaced Pages's pro-Australian bias. ] 03:04, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :That's just because we're more literate than other countries (including New Zealand) and so end up writing better articles. ;) - ] 03:20, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :: I didn't know convicts were literate. :-) NZL | |||
| ::Crazy Australians, with their July winters and backwards flowing toilets... ] 03:31, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::That's nothing. In ], they wear hats on their feet and hamburgers eat people! —] 03:44, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::There's an old British folk song called ] ("If buttercups buzz'd after the bee // If boats were on land, churches on sea // If ponies rode men and if grass ate the cows // And cats should be chased into holes by the mouse"). According to legend, the British troops at the ] (the final battle of the American revolution) played it as they surrenered. ] 04:33, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Hey Raul, if you were better read you'd realise that the ] only works on the scale of weather systems and the direction that water flows in sinks and toilets is purely to do with the shape of the vessel. I was going to complain yesterday about the bias displayed regarding busways that go past my house... ;) --] 04:37, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Not necessarily - ''"If one takes great care to create a flat circular pool of water with a small, smooth drain; to wait for eddies caused by filling it to die down; and to remove the drain from below (or otherwise remove it without introducing new eddies into the water) – then it is possible to observe the influence of the Coriolis effect in the direction of the resulting vortex."'' - ] ] 04:39, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Narf! Touche' - Besides 'our' proper Australian Cyclones move clockwise whilst anti-cyclones move anticlockwise. You Northern Hemispherians should stop it with the anti-anti-bias and adopt proper and civilised Southern Hemispherian weather systems. --] 04:45, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Please report any bias errors to ]--] 03:29, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Let's not forget ] coming up in one week. It's obvious our FA director's brain has been inflatrated by the evil Aussies and their mind-control ways. -- ] / <sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> / <sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> 04:46, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Put your hypnotic skull koala back on and conform! --] 04:49, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::NEVER!!! That thing made me eat way too much Vegemite. -- ] / <sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> / <sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> 04:55, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::::To be fair - I scheduled Cynna Kydd due to Ambi's . ] 04:59, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::That made me wanna join the Navy. -- ] / <sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> / <sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> 05:16, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::OK, not one comment has been related to the initial question, excluding Clawed - this is probably BJAODN-worthy now :P. | |||
| :::::::Anyways, I count 6 articles (August 4, August 9, ''August 16'', ''August 18'', ''August 19'', ''August 20'') which are directly related to America (or, at least, as related to the US as cane toads is to Australia), as opposed to Australia's three (August 14, August 15, ''August 22'') that will be featured on the front page up until August 25th. '''].]''' 08:57, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::Just part of the Australia Cabal's evil plot. -- ] / <sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> / <sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> 20:00, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::Considering the U.S. has fourteen times as many people in it as Australia, and that we have a longer recorded history, having three TFAs this month to our six ain't too bad for you guys. ] 19:15, 16 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::What about Europe? What about china!?? How many FA on china last month? It should had like... 24 or something like this... ] | |||
| :::::::::Maybe we need to find another Pokemon... <font face="Lucida Grande">] <sup>(] • ])</sup> 12:52, 18 August 2006 (UTC)</font> | |||
| == How can this page be vandalised == | |||
| I saw a I.P. edit the main page.How can this page be edited by non-users when it's fully protected? --] 03:09, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :As a joke, Drini unprotected it on APril 1 2006 (it was reprotected 15 minutes later). Guanaco did the same thing later in the day, and it was reprotected 4 minutes later. ] 03:10, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :It wasn't always protected, either. Back in 2001 there wasn't frequent vandalism so it wasn't protected. - ] 03:27, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I agree to this too... <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 10:01, 15 August 2006 (UTC).</small> | |||
| == Time of main article change == | |||
| Could the main article also be changed just at midnight EST? | |||
| Just want to know. | |||
| Thanks | |||
| <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 20:03, 15 August 2006 (UTC).</small> | |||
| : Misplaced Pages goes by ], not EST. Please see above ]. --] 20:48, 15 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Why is the eastern United States more important than the western United States, let alone the rest of the world? — ] <sup><font color="darkred">]</font></sup> 02:07, 16 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::It's server time? (Which isn't a good reason to change, of course; but merely an explanation of why EST might be regarded differently from another arbitrary timezone.) ] 15:18, 16 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == On this day... == | |||
| Why doesn't the OTD section have a link to ]? It took me a while to find it. ] 14:58, 16 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : You may want to ask the creator of ]. -- ] 16:57, 16 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :The link in OTD sends you to ] which is a content space article, there's a link at the top of this talk page that sends you to ] since this is a 'housekeeping side' article. Same with all the other sections on the main page - they have their housekeeping links on this talk page. --] 17:05, 16 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::First, that's a lot of clicks. Second, I think you're wrong, at the top of ] is a link to ]. | |||
| ::] is what I was looking for, I found it after some searching. The thing is, when someone complains about the OTD section, there's always someone else ready to shout "get involved in the selection process", so it should be a bit easier to actually get there. ] 07:44, 17 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ] | |||
| I'm not supporting or denouncing how it currently is, just pointing out where it is. It could be better, but I'm not sure if mainspace is the place for contribute liks... --] 08:01, 17 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Oh, I misunderstood, when you said "this talk page" I thought you meant the talk page of the page you mentioned just before. Sorry. Very clear picture, even I couldn't miss it now :-) | |||
| :That's a useful box, I have to admit I never really noticed it. You're right main page is not the good place, but maybe the box could receive a slightly more prominent place at the top of this page, next to the big announcements rather than underneath them. Wouldn't that steer more people away from this talk page to the right place? ] 09:02, 17 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| If you click the 'Archive' link on the OTD section of the main page, you get taken to ] which is pretty close to where you wanted, and there's also a link there to go up one level to the Selected anniversaries page you wanted. The problem is that it's called Archive, like the way the Archive link on the featured article box takes you to this month's lineup which isn't completely what you expect. --] 18:04, 17 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Russian Misplaced Pages (www.wikipedia.org)== | |||
| As of today, the Russian version of Misplaced Pages has 100,000+ articles. That should be observed at the main . ] 17:04, 16 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : We don't have a 100,000+ section on our MainPage. www.wikipedia.org is not part of ]. You may want to bring this up with 'Meta-Wiki'. --] 17:52, 16 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Discussion for this is at ]. — <small>]] • 2006-08-16 19:18</small> | |||
| It also may be worth mentioning that the language editions around the logo on www.wikipedia.org are the top eight in number of articles, not a list of Wikipedias with 100,000+ articles. To get there, the Russian Misplaced Pages would need to knock the lowest-count off (Spanish, at 142,000 articles). ] <sup>]</sup>⁄<sub>]</sub> <small>• 19:59, 16 August 2006 (UTC)</small> | |||
| :Top 10 actually. :-) ] <sup>]</sup> 20:03, 16 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Eurovision == | |||
| Could we possibly have a "Did you know" segment '''without''' a Eurovision contest factoid? They seem to be getting obscure and uninteresting, and frankly it's getting old. --] 22:18, 16 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :The DYKs will be more irrelevant each day! We can't expect interesting facts in new articles everyday; after all we have 1,322,000 articles already! I don't mean there's nothing else interesting to write about, but it gets harder to find it for every day.--] 23:46, 16 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::So fix it. Read some new articles and make some suggestions.--] 23:50, 16 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Ok here's one: "DYK the Eurovision song contest has featured in more DYK segments than any other Misplaced Pages article?".... sorry couldn't resist! :P --] 00:58, 17 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I admit, for a moment seeing the image on the mainpage, I thought today's article was going to be about Klingons... Speaking of which, I am offended by the lack of Star Trek bias! The 40th Grand High Wizard of Nerdom convention is this weekend in Vegas --coinciding with the premiere of ''Snakes on a Plane''. In this kind of perfect storm the average geek will nerdgasm so hard they'll bust a tribble. --] 00:09, 17 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Dood, I think you need to lay off the Red Bull :) --] 00:55, 17 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::I was just coming here to say the same thing! We need to lay off the Eurovision, circus animals, and medal of honor winners for a while. In part its because very few editors know how to get an article trhough the DYK process before the five day timeline expires, and they seem to have very focused interests. ]<sup>] ]</sup> 02:00, 17 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::What would you suggest we put in their place? ] <sup>]</sup>⁄<sub>]</sub> <small>• 04:45, 17 August 2006 (UTC)</small> | |||
| ::::You know, it's hard to say, being as these articles haven't been created yet. Generally speaking, though, I'd like a little more variety. ]<sup>] ]</sup> 05:11, 17 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Some people actually enjoy Eurovision. *hugs all 4 EV albums*--] 14:54, 17 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| "Sofixit by adding more new articles to Suggestions" isn't a solution as long as we adhere to the notion that ''every'' eligible (i.e. non-stub, well-referenced, etc.) candidate on the Suggestions page should make it into DYK. If we keep doing that, then no matter what, we get repitition of subjects; if someone starts 20 articles on (let's say) notable medieval court jesters over the course of a few weeks, we'll end up with a famous jester in DYK once a day for three weeks. A couple court jester DYKs in a short period might be fun, but after a while people might understandably get bored of them. A better solution would be to update the DYK a little less frequently (say only once a day, sometimes twice). That way the admins can be a little more selective and showcase a broader range of DYKs, though perhaps at the expense of leaving some behind. ] 19:06, 19 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Beautiful pic of the day == | |||
| I just want to say to the FPC people, beautiful selection. Too bad we couldn't have run it on US Memorial Day. ] 00:18, 17 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :And then we would "run" allusive pictures in every country's Memorial Day or similar anniversary? Hehe.--] 01:00, 17 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::If you did not know, the ] is basically selected in the order that the images were promoted to ]. This is unlike the ] where users can make suggestions. ] ] 01:25, 17 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::That's mostly true. Sometimes I put them on specific days upon request. For example, the ] was put on Maldivian independence day and the ] was put on Indian independence day, but those were only a few days different than what they would have been. <span style="font-family:Verdana;">''']]]''' <small>{]}</small></span> 15:55, 17 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Actually, today's featured picture is a bit of a let-down. It's of poor quality, and certainly wouldn't pass ] today. It's too blurry, and it doesn't portray the subject well. —]<font color=green>]</font>] 13:35, 17 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :It was promoted ]. The detail is not that great in full res but keep in mind that that res is twice the minimum requirement. ] 13:56, 17 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Main page footer == | |||
| Brian, ] doesn't work when people click on (+) at the top of the page to start a new section. -- ] 16:45, 17 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *There should be a way to do it through ]. Anyone with the skills want to attempt this? — <small>]] • 2006-08-17 17:22</small> | |||
| == why can't i edit? == | |||
| Why is the front page only editable by administrators? <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 20:42, 17 August 2006 (UTC).</small> | |||
| : Please see ]. Hope this helps. -- ] 20:56, 17 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Please sign your posts using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. Eleven minutes after you asked this, someone replaced this whole page with the message "HACKED". To avoid this happening on the main page, it is only editable by administrators. ] 20:59, 17 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Okay, duh. Next time i'll pay closer attention to details. --] 21:00, 17 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Fair use Image on Main Page == | |||
| I hate to be copyright paranoid, but perhaps ] would work for Featured Article of the Day on the Main Page. Even though it's not as representative of the subject as the current image, it's not fair use. -- ''']''' 00:17, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| i have also this problem and i dont no i will doing to cominucat iam a new wekipedian | |||
| <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 12:21, 19 August 2006 (UTC).</small> | |||
| == Front Page Content ? / Featured Article of the Day is a Joke == | |||
| I don't believe that Misplaced Pages is putting its best foot forward by showcasing a thug's first album as the featured article of the day. It's low culture, and makes Misplaced Pages look like even more of a joke than it's already managed to accomplish. - ] 15:13, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I happen to agree with MST Crow concerning showcasing a rap album on the front page ] 15:17, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Well, we might say no to pop albums in general, but it would be silly to say no to rap albums specifically. Misplaced Pages is not attempting to define taste and it is not censored. ] 15:56, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I totally concur. More proper culture on the front page please. Obviously rap does not qualify because, err, wait... why is that again? ] 15:45, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I'm willing to bet you didn't mind when the band Marilyn Manson appeared on Misplaced Pages front page because you "loved" them according to your userboxes. Marilyn Manson has a squeaky clean image and doesn't have any controversy? I had to laugh at that. All because you don't like a certain type of music or culture doesn't mean it is "joke." --] 15:55, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :You don't get it. TFA is about the quality of the ''article'' NOT about the value of the topic it covers. Get over it. --] 15:53, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Low culture? How racist... ] 16:18, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I initially had the same impression, but the article is really well done. I say keep it. | |||
| :Articles are chosen for the quality of the article, not the quality of the subject (which is far too subjective to accurately evaluate). —]<font color=green>]</font>] 18:28, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == New header == | |||
| I' popped a new header on this page. (Edit second try worked better lol). It's a little longer than the old one, but intergrates the archive box and leaves more room for more archive links. The concept is to be more welcoming to new visitors. Under the ] concept; comments? Love hate? --] 16:35, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Very nice. ] 16:19, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Can the "If you want to suggest a Misplaced Pages article that has been recently updated with current affairs information go to the In the news page." bit be changed so it links to ] please? ] | ] 20:08, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::It could, but I purposely linked to the instructional pages rather than the actual suggestion pages. I think it better to send new users to instructions first. The second paragraph on ] says "''Submissions that do not follow the guidelines at ] will not be put into the live template.''". Which is where I've linked to first. The philosophy behind the header is to give new users a helpful path to what they want. If we really wanted to I supose we could also add the direct to suggestion page links. --] 20:19, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Maybe its just me, but having the link to the candidates page was enormously helpful on the "old style" talk:Main Page page. But if others disagree, fair enough. I like the rest of the redesign a lot, if that counts for anything. ] | ] 20:45, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I like the new header on this page. Nice work! ] 21:32, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : I like it, too. Good job. I've added a {{tl|TOCright}} to avoid having too much blank space, as the TOC tends to get quite long here. Take it off if it's a problem. -- ] 21:44, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Yes good. I was thinking about that, but then the server went south for the winter last night. --] 07:48, 19 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :It looks great. (so, are we usurping the wiktionary logo proposal ]? ;) (I like it here, and for there. Did anyone tell happydog?) --]·<small>(])</small> 21:55, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Oh yes! The logo, Happydog's talky logo is a placeholder I was going to ask if anyone had a better idea for what to put there. --] 07:48, 19 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == What happend to Misplaced Pages for the last four hours? == | |||
| It was completely unaccessable. Anyone know what happened? ] 20:13, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :The rumor is the people who supply the IP addresses put them back into circulation... --] 20:14, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::I would also like to know what happened. ] 20:14, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::I heard on the IRC channel that the IP address was removed. ] 20:17, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I was going to merely ask this: | |||
| Did the wikiwebservers crash & burn f/ several hours today?? | |||
| ] 20:23, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Now, it does seem that they had, in fact. | |||
| Thank You. | |||
| ] 20:23, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : Indeed, they did. See for details. ]]<sup>(])</sup> 20:32, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::What - only people with AOL IPs were allowed to edit? Um, hello, weird? ] 21:10, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Although I don't know what that says: Thank You. -- ] 20:37, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Does anyone know why wikipedia was completely unaccessable for the last four hours?--] 22:20, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Since you are too lazy to click a link, here it is: | |||
| ''Somewhere around 17:20-17:30 UTC, Cogent readvertised routing to our primary IP | |||
| address block in Tampa, blocking access to the site for most people. | |||
| Partway through the period, wikis were placed into read-only lock so the few | |||
| people who could access it (mostly from AOL ;) were unable to edit without | |||
| review from the public. | |||
| The route was temporarily restored around 19:55, and read-write was restored to | |||
| the wikis at 19:59. | |||
| The old IP range will no longer be available to us as of Monday. | |||
| PowerMedium has assigned us a new IP space which is under their control (unlike | |||
| the old IPs which were leased from Cogent under an older contract), and we will | |||
| be transitioning to them over the weekend. | |||
| We have heard several conflicting things about exactly why and how our IP space | |||
| got dropped; more will be said when we have firmer knowledge. | |||
| -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)'' ] 22:24, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Paper encyclopedias rarely flicker in and out of existence. 64.8.1.2 | |||
| :True, but they also seldom update and correct themselves after publication. ;) -- ] | ] 01:58, 19 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Bahhh- the nerve of that ISP to issue an IP re-numbering on Misplaced Pages (If that's in fact what happend.) ;-) My ISP has had the nerve to stymed a few of my contributions by renumbering me in the middle of an edit. :-o ] 02:08, 19 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Misplaced Pages going down is notable == | |||
| Misplaced Pages is sufficiently notable that it going down is notable. Failures in it's service should have their own page, and that page should be linked to from the main page after it goes down. My 2 cents :) ] 23:59, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Not really. Misplaced Pages goes down alot. ] 00:05, 19 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::I haven't seen many articles about other - more important - services going down. ] 09:30, 20 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==HELP!!!== | |||
| what the hell is wrong with wikipedia? why is it all white and messed up?? ] 03:29, 19 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Guys, all the skins except for the default one is screwed up. Someone needs to fix this. ] 04:09, 19 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Yup, the Misplaced Pages servers were all messed up. See ] for more information. ]<font color="green">]</font>] 14:14, 19 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Comma == | |||
| THat comma doesnt look right does it?--] 07:27, 19 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Any comma in particular? ] <sup>]</sup>⁄<sub>]</sub> <small>• 08:35, 19 August 2006 (UTC)</small> | |||
| THe one after '''Welcome to Misplaced Pages''' Sorry I thought it would be obvious--] 09:45, 19 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :It's right. If you read the whole sentence (over the two lines), it will read ''"Welcome to Misplaced Pages, the 💕 that anyone can edit."''. '''].]''' 11:50, 19 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Yes Iknow its grammatically correct. It just doesnt look good!--] 14:36, 19 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :It looks fantastic. Imagine how the sentence would look without a comma there! --] ] 17:14, 20 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Image Upload Help == | |||
| I recently uploaded quite a few photos and put them on their respective pages. Soon after, they were taken down because I did not provide the URL for them, etc. I would like to upload the pics again, but the right way...so what do I do? At the upload page, do I simply just put the URL of the photo? And another thing...I don't understand this: "Images found on websites or on an image search engine should not be uploaded to Misplaced Pages." How's that make ANY sense? Where else would you find photographs ON THE INTERNET to put ON A WEBSITE? | |||
| --] 19 August 2006 | |||
| :You either produce them yourself or ensure that their licence is compatible with Misplaced Pages. 99% of images you came across on a website or found in an image search are not. --] 16:24, 19 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : Please see ]. Hope this helps.--] 17:00, 19 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Follow-up on ]== | |||
| Landscapes are fine, but 100x100px often makes portraits too narrow. Can we change it to something like 100x125px instead of 100x100px ? As long as it's not wider than 100px, it's okay for those 800x600 screens, right ? --] 17:00, 19 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I support that. The 100px ''width'' is the issue on 800x600 screens, but I do notice that ''height'' does become a problem on 1024x768 screens. ] ] 20:24, 19 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :The goal is to display most pictures (landscapes and portraits) at approximately the same size. Short of calculating the cubic size of each individual image, maintaining a standard maximum measurement (100px or another number) for both the length and width is the best means of accomplishing this. Aspect ratios vary slightly, but the fact that all images are either 100px wide or 100px tall (or both) creates a pleasant sense of uniformity. | |||
| :Of course, we can make exceptions for images with unusual aspect ratios. We also give some leeway (especially regarding height) to the pictures from the ''Today's featured article'' section (where our selection is relatively limited). | |||
| :Perhaps we could go slightly higher than 100px as our standard maximum measurement. —] 23:09, 19 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| On a related note, many images are not meant to be displayed as 100px thumbnails. One example would be ] currently on DYK. Can anyone make out what is being displayed ? Things are so small, I can't see a thing there. Such images such not be used on ]. -- ] 13:52, 20 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Village Pump Link == | |||
| I believe that the link to the Village Pump should be more conspicuous. This page is always filled with off-topics suggestions and complaints because novices that enter Misplaced Pages through the Main Page see the big "Discussion" link in the top rather than the list of "Other areas of Misplaced Pages" in the bottom. The new header is very convenient, but it would be even better if people didn't have to click on the wrong link, realize their mistake and then start searching the right place to post their ideas.--] 01:32, 20 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I thought long and hard about putting a direct link to the pump in the header. I eventually decided against it linking to ] instead. The concept is to allow new users to filter through a series of levels until they find the 'correct' place to post. If we put a direct link to the pump I thought it would steer people who would be better off posting at ] in the wrong direction. | |||
| :We could easily put a link to the pump in the header, if that's what people want. --] 09:27, 20 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == a lot of new zeeland == | |||
| we are all about new zeeland right now. that's cool, though. | |||
| :it is fantastic (and it is spelt New Ze'''a'''land). Although, get ready for another when (in a few days time I would think) we get: "The ], ''']''' dies in ], ] ending his 41 year reign." --] 07:46, 20 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Unfortunately, New Zealand is still outshone by Australia, which has a featured article and a featured picture! :P --] 07:56, 20 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::All to the good, I say: English WP can seem Brit- and US-centric ] 08:23, 20 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Both NZ and Aussie both have a current DYK entry as well. Australasia finally gets its spotlight! --] <small><i>]</i></small> 09:46, 20 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Missing "·" == | |||
| Missing a · between "Help" and "Categories"? Or is there a reason for that? Dunno if this has been asked..thanks. ]]] 07:33, 20 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :At most resolutions and font sizes, a large gap exists between the two links in question. ("] '''·''' ] '''·''' ] '''·''' ] '''·''' ]" appears on the left side of the screen, while "] '''·''' ] '''·''' ]" appears on the right side.) At a relatively low resolution (such as 800x600) or large font size, this is less obvious. —] 07:42, 20 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Hmm so that's why - I used the largest font size. Thanks. ]]] 08:06, 20 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Cynna Kydd ... == | |||
| Could we have a worst ''Today's Feature Article'' tommorrow? Like, I don't know, a feature article on Eric, it's a friend of mine, playing smushball in a local team. Actually, I don't think I can have a photo of him worst than Kydd's one... I mean, after Bulsomethin the pokemon, Cynna Kydd the worldwide unknown australian netball player. What the f*** is netball?! Is it another sport invented by a country so they can win a gold medal at the olympics? Something like softball or whatever? :) Ok, how do we can enter the ''Today's Feature Article'' selection so we can avoid those kind of things in the future? ] | |||
| :] was actually developed in the United States. ] 10:13, 20 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::HA! --] 11:27, 20 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Yes, so? ] | |||
| :::It's obviously not "another sport invented by a country so they can win a gold medal". Otherwise Australia and New Zealand wouldn't be the world champions. Can you deduce who would? --] 13:05, 20 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::There's no need to be rude about it. —]<font color=green>]</font>] 14:22, 20 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :] is information regarding Featured Articles and the process that nominates one for inclusion on the main page each day, if you want to get involved. I think it's a good FA if it teaches someone something. What point would there be to feature articles that 'everyone' knew about? Where's your sense of curiosity? All the (rhetorical) questions you posed above can be answered by following the link ] in Today's featured article. Follow a wikilink and learn something instead of complaining. --] 12:07, 20 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::The problem is that this selection is, essentially, performed by one person: Raul654. He is a kind of ''Today's feature article'' monarch, deciding alone what article will be on the main page. And, in two months, I have fall twice in diagreement with his choices. Frankly, I don't think his opinion are more important than mine. It would be reasonable to have a college of people deciding those kind of things, don't you think? At least 3. I'm not saying *I* should decide, but if several people contribute to the final decision, I would find the decision ''more acceptable''. | |||
| ::And yes, I am curious. Look at my contributions if you doubt of this. But I am not curious at all when it is question of a proutball player being fired by his national team for a scandal about things I don't care! I mean, just read the preview of the article on the main page. This is just uninteresting, '''it's a non-event!''' And what if I create an feature article on Ribery's decision to quit the Olympic de Marseilles, would you think it would has its place on the main page of Misplaced Pages??? I won't troll on this, it's just that sometimes, I found this main page, which is what people who discovers WP see at first, does not represent the true value of this site. | |||
| ::PS: did you notice that during the last week, in the ''Did you know'' section, they put 4 articles on the same subject: A french car manufacturer named Simca!! ] | |||
| :::Have you contributed to an article to get it through FAC. It is not an easy feat, and the people who work hard for that should get their work exhibited. It shouldn't be based on some subjective crap, it should be based on whether it is an FA. All featured articles should get their day on the front page. If it is notable enough to warrant an article on Misplaced Pages, then it obviously does represent the true value of the site. If today was my first day of discovering Misplaced Pages, I would be impressed that such an obscure subject has such a good article. --] 13:05, 20 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::That's a bit of a misunderstanding - Raul654 is the director not the "monarch". Initially for an article to become an FA there's a whole nomination/review/concensus process that involves a lot of editors. Secondly the candidates for the main page process also involves a lot of discussion. Follow the links at the top of this page in the "Today's featured article" section to learn more about the processes involved. --] 13:13, 20 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| What I'm more concerned about is why are we letting the Female Cyclist Vandal choose the featured article? --] 11:40, 20 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Please explain? --] 12:07, 20 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Sidebar redesign discussion is near a conclusion... == | |||
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| <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 05:01, 20 August 2006 (UTC)<!--originally on ].-->.</small> | |||
| == Wikiversity ? == | |||
| WTF is Wikiversity and how come it's a red link? ] 15:09, 20 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : I came in to say the same thing, wikiversity link is broken, but worked fine last night. | |||
| ::looks good/works for me ]] 15:28, 20 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
Revision as of 17:40, 20 August 2006
TJWhite announces his return to Misplaced Pages after a long period of absence. Misplaced Pages is out of control, so the Misplaced Pages Revolution has returned and will fight to end administrator tyranny on Misplaced Pages. As always, we welcome negotiations via tedjwhite@gmail.com Thank you and have a nice day. TJReturns 17:40, 20 August 2006 (UTC)