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User:Vicky85144

Vicky85144 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

The above user is being very disruptive after I nominated Vicky Martin Singh for deletion, copying the article to their userpage, as well as their talk page. They're also constantly removing speedy deletion tags and overwriting the content on their talk page, despite being warned for disruption by me and other editor. Opencooper (talk) 20:02, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

In addition to above, the user also copied the page into my talk page. (sorry if I do this wrong). JumpiMaus (talk) 20:37, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

And my userpage. JumpiMaus (talk) 20:43, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

They've also made another page with identical content at Vicky martin (Song Writer). Creation protection might be a good idea. Marianna251TALK 20:56, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

• Vickymartin.singh might be the same person? I have stuff to do right now, but they are either working in tandem or are the same person, it seems. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 21:40, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Looks like both users are sockpuppets of each other and both are Vicky Martin Singh. This is a case for WP:SPI and WP:COIN. Would it also be adviseable to salt the Vicky Martin Singh and Vicky Martin (songwriter) and Vickymartin.singh article spaces so he will at least need to go through channels to try to re-create it/them? Softlavender (talk) 09:33, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

• See also User talk:103.41.99.126 (which IP address geolocates to between Hyderabad and Mumbai). This random posting of the "article" on various unrelated person's user pages and talk pages is blockable in itself. If it were me I'd block both registered accounts (and possibly the IP account as well) as NOTHERE and for repeated disruptive editing, socking, userpage trolling, and self-promotion. Softlavender (talk) 09:41, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

I've blanked the talk page. —Farix (t | c) 12:18, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

• I've blocked everyone but the IP address and left a note on the talk page for Vicky85144. Let me know if they try to repost the article for their talk page - if they do, then I'm going to revoke talk page access. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 06:13, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
• I've been alerted that the IP has started spamming their talk page with the deleted article, so I've blocked them for a week and revoked talk page access since I assume that they'd only repost the article content. If this keeps up then we may want to look into putting this artist's name on an article creation blacklist. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:17, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Ylevental - COI and related issues

Ylevental (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Ylevental has launched a large number of AfD discussions apparently aimed at removing the idea of "neurodiversity": the opinion that some/all autism is not an illness to be prevented/treated/cured, but a different way of thinking. This thread, of course, is not to discuss that idea. The editor has nominated for deletion:

• Autistic Pride Day - "a celebration of the neurodiversity".
• John Elder Robison - an author with autism who "is active in the autism rights movement".
• Wrong Planet - "an online community for individuals with autism and Asperger syndrome." The editor decided the first sentence should state "The site has been noted for the murderers that were connected to it."
• Aspies For Freedom "a solidarity and campaigning group that aimed at raising public awareness of the autism rights movement."
• Amy Sequenzia "activist and writer about disability rights, civil rights and human rights"; "a board member of the Autistic Self Advocacy Network".
• Autistic Self Advocacy Network "advocacy organization run by and for individuals on the autism spectrum".
• Autism Network International "an advocacy organization run by and for autistic people."
• Jim Sinclair (activist) "an autism-rights movement activist".
• Retrospective diagnoses of autism the included list of individuals purported to have had autism was removed by the editor because "this could be used to push an agenda".

The basic goal here is apparently to remove any indication that individuals contributing to society is a positive way may have autism. There are two exceptions to this: Hitler, who the editor repeatedly added as having autism (bumped in from of an otherwise chronological list) and Jonathan Mitchell, "an American autistic author and blogger who advocates for a cure for autism." The editor has a confirmed COI with this article and feels strongly this is a FA or GA candidate.

There are accusations of sockpuppetry and other COIs bouncing around on various talk pages, but I have no meaningful information on those issues. While I do not immediately see an easy solution to this situation, it seems that it will likely end badly if the situation is not discussed and addressed in some way at this point. - SummerPhD 05:04, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

First, someone please speedy-keep those bad faith nominations. I'm curious to see Ylevental's comments on this. I wonder if this is more an issue of NPOV and POINT than of COI. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 05:16, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

My original title here was not simply COI (not use how I lost it). I have amended the title as I believe this is not an either/or question. - SummerPhD 05:19, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

@SummerPhDv2.0: Are you familiar with this user and their edits at all? Or just reporting their behavior? (Curious to hear from others who might be able to weigh in on the user's good-to-bad contrib ratio or something like that. From just these AfDs, it seems they're being very disruptive in this one topic). My experience with them was over at black pride and white pride (and their bad faith AfD nom for the former) and it was not a positive experience. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 06:13, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

I cleaned up Jonathan Mitchell, an article that Ylevental created, after seeing it go to BLPN. That article has been a nightmare. Granted, that's partly because it's under constant attack by an IP sock who has been harassing Ylevental, but, if you ask me, Ylevental is no better: , , , etc. I was tempted to file a SPI on the IP sock who's been harassing Ylevental and close the AfDs as speedy keep, but I didn't want to deal with the drama. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 08:32, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

We had a little discussion about undeleting an article named Einstein Syndrome; it can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion/Archive_223#Einstein_Syndrome Lectonar (talk) 08:45, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

• @Lectonar: -- I participated in WP:Requests_for_undeletion/Archive_223#Einstein_Syndrome. What I wasn't aware, during that discussion, is that the most recent deletion had been under WP:CSD#G4 -- even though the version deleted by AFD in 2007 differed substantially from the version deleted as G4. I think: (1) Einstein Syndrome should have been uncontroversially restored, because its 2015 deletion as G4 was counter-policy; (2) that @Ylevental: didn't recognize the G4 deletion was bogus strongly suggests Ylevental is a promising, energetic newbie, who should be encouraged, and gently informed of what I suspect have been good faith mistakes. Geo Swan (talk) 23:14, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

They are not good faith mistakes. He is presently vandalising Wrong Planet by removing perfectly good material, to make a point as has been mentioned. These aren't mistakes full stop. They are intentional edits designed to press the views of Jonathan Mitchell and remove the views of those he has nominated for deletion - as has been covered in the first comment in this section. 101.182.231.86 (talk) 23:52, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Further, the user is continuing to vandalise Wrong Planet removing sourced information. 101.182.231.86 (talk) 03:50, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Well, I'm not sure what you want from me or where this discussion is going. I was cleaning up the Autism Rights Movement series, and simply marked articles that I thought didn't have enough sources to qualify or thought that they should be merged into other articles. For instance, I only found two sources for Aspies for Freedom that covered it in depth, and I thought Jim Sinclair should be merged into Autism Network International. I'll provide more information if needed. Ylevental (talk) 12:36, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Willing to note here that on Retrospective diagnoses of autism the user added Adolf Hitler to the list.DoggySoup (talk) 12:47, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Adolf Hitler was listed in the table of the article long before the user even had an account. The problem was the edit warring between Ylevental and an IP over having a separate more detailed section in the article about Hitler . CatPath (talk) 15:54, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

As someone mentioned earlier, I also wonder whether the issue is WP:POINT. The Jonathan Mitchell article, which Ylevental created, went through a bad faith AfD. The nominator was eventually banned, and the article was locked to prevent edit warring/vandalism by IPs. Mitchell espouses a view that runs counter to those in the neurodiversity movement, which includes the individuals and groups described in the articles that Ylevental brought to AfD. CatPath (talk) 16:14, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

• Comment - I've closed a couple of the AfDs per WP:SNOW; I left a few others open as at a quick glance I thought that the discussions should probably be finished first. I personally don't think WP:SK#2 (bad-faith speedy keep) is applicable where a valid discussion can be held, but others may disagree. ansh666 09:33, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
• The pattern is repeating at Retrospective diagnoses of autism. Previously, the editor's push was to move Hitler to a place of prominence on the list. That was eventually rejected. The editor's next idea was to remove the list or propose deletion of the article (and remove the list while the AfD was in progress). Failing that, the editor has again suggested removing the list while making Hitler more prominent. BTW - My highest regards to all involved for avoiding any invocation of Godwin here. - SummerPhD 22:55, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

This is correct. He is also pressing the removal of Fitzgerald completely, but he's removing a proven quote from Tesla's autobiography as a part of this - something that has nothing to do with Fitzgerald. He definitely has an agenda here and I think the only way to stop him now is to block him for a period because I don't think he's listening and understanding the problem with his editing. 101.182.231.86 (talk) 03:01, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

User:Yossimgim

Yossimgim (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) making disruptive edits lately on Israel article. On other pages that unprotected, the user edit from IP addresses: 109.64.131.137, 79.176.62.204, 79.183.130.71. I'm sure it's the same person because edits appear at the same time and are similar in nature. Here, for some reason, he deleted the same picture from different articles using account and IP: 1, 2. The picture was added by me in both articles recently. Here he made disruptive edit under misleading edit summary: diff. Many edits has been reverted, not only by me. Was blocked three times before (1, 2, 3), constantly erases own talk page from notices, posted inappropriate warrant on my talk page. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 09:52, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Some of the edits had misleading edit summary, partially or totally unrelated to the actual edit. “WarKosign” 10:38, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Yossimgim has also been rather disruptive in the past at Talk:Natalie Portman, and on user talk pages including my own. Essentially when the argument went against him he posted on everyone's talk pages accusing them of edit warring. —  Cliftonian (talk)  14:24, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Found his sockpuppet: Dr. Feldinger (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). As Yossimgim he added picture of Bar Refaeli to Israel article 15 times, and as Dr. Feldinger once. It was discussed before and account Dr. Feldinger was banned. I don't see how temporary ban will stop him as he appears on Misplaced Pages occasionally anyway, was banned before 4 times in total, and just continue to add same pictures in different articles for years only to be reverted and then comes back again. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 08:52, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Have you reported this at WP:SPI? The user and IP's certainly are quacking. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 09:28, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Just started investigation: Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Yossimgim. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 12:05, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

• He has been involved in a slow-burn edit war on the Benjamin Disraeli article too, despite a request to use the talk page's open thread on the matter. – – SchroCat (talk) 07:30, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Well the SPI was rejected on the grounds that the Dr. Feldinger case is stale. If this is an entirely new editor (or the sockmaster can't be pinpointed), Yossimgim is a disruptive editor who doesn't demonstrate anything to suggest that s/he is WP:HERE... and is still 'contributing'. I don't see any attempts to engage with other editors (never mind the tone of communications with other editors last time s/he was around). Currently, the only response to other editors has been to delete warnings and carry on regardless. Given that the multiple POINTy IP edits point to this being the same user, this is getting to be unjustifiably irritating. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:08, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Disruptive editing to the F1 project

In October last year a report was made of an IP editor persistently disrupting the F1 project here. A block was issued for a week by user:Diannaa and two further blocks were subsequently issued by the same admin. The IP editor however has continued in much the same vein and several members of the F1 project have spent considerable amounts of time, trying to make something of his sub-standard submissions. There have been seven six recent drafts which have been found to be copy-vios two of which have been WP:TE re-submitted several times without fixing issues noted on review and also removing citation tags. There is a tremendous history of disruptive editing by this editor whose IP address changes sometimes more than once a day. He's now up to more than 100 different IPs in the ranges 92.21.240.0/20 and 88.106.224.0/20. Just some of the history of his edits can be seen at User talk:Bretonbanquet who has been one of the editors involved in 'tidying up'. We have tried several times to engage and leave helpful advice on talk-pages but it is not certain which of them he might have seen and he has been known to just blank the page. Here is a diff of him removing a talk page post by another editor and here is one example of an inappropriate edit summary, although he rarely leaves summaries. The F1 project would be grateful for any assistance you can give as we have run out of patience with this editor who has been given plenty of time and more than enough leeway to edit in a conventional manner. I apologise for the long-winded submission. Please let me know if you need any further info. Thanks. Eagleash (talk) 13:34, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

The latest series of posts on the subject at the F1 project is here. Eagleash (talk) 19:30, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Earlier threads on the subject here and here. Eagleash (talk) 12:02, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

I second all of the above, and I can say I've rarely come across an editor who takes such little notice of notability guidelines, or indeed, any guidelines. He almost never engages with other editors, and when he does it's usually uncivil; he never uses talk pages or heeds advice, and creates a huge amount of work for others. He has created large numbers of articles and templates, all of which were either copy-violations, unreadable or not notable (or a combination of the three), and all of which required rewriting, merging or deleting by other editors. To make it worse, it's hard to track the guy's activity as he is forever switching IPs; so you can't talk to him or pin him down long enough to get him to understand how things work.

This has been going on for a few months now, and some of us seem to spend all our time cleaning up after this guy, when we would rather be doing something more constructive. Any ideas will be gratefully received. Bretonbanquet (talk) 23:26, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

• I'm an AfC reviewer, and another issue that was brought to my attention regarding this editor was possibly gaming the system. Anonymous contributors are not allowed to create articles directly into mainspace—that's why WP:AFC was started. However, this user has tried to circumvent the standard AFC article review process by first requesting the creation of a redirect at Misplaced Pages:Articles for creation/Redirects, then turning the redirect into a non-notable article once it is created—effectively creating an article in mainspace. An example is with March 87P. At 20:12, 1 February 2016, the user submitted this request to WP:AFC/R, asking for a redirect from March 87P to March 87B. The issue is, at that time, March 87B was a redirect. Three minutes later, at 20:15, the same editor converts the March 87B redirect into an article, which was found to be non-notable. Then, a few weeks later, the redirect request was accepted, creating March 87P as a redirect, which an IP in the same range converted to an article about the same subject. Mz7 (talk) 22:31, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Non-constructive edits and reverts of multiple editors by IP editors

Nightscream notified me of a situation involving multiple articles edited by one or more users using multiple IP addresses to make repeated non-constructive edits, reverting the edits of Nightscream and Tenebrae. I protected the articles Jupiter's Legacy, List of Jupiter's Legacy story arcs, and List of Saga story arcs for one week on February 8 in response to encourage talk page discussion rather than edit-warring, but there was no discussion on any of the article talk pages and it appears the editor has returned to the disruptive edits. Since the user appears to have no problem switching IPs, it may not help to block the addresses, and I am not sure whether we want to keep the articles protected for a lengthy time. What is the best solution here? BOZ (talk) 15:37, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

I see no reason why the articles can't be protected for longer periods. I am the creator and primary contributor/editor of both articles, so no significant amount of information would be excluded. To the extent that information is added by other editors, they can continue to contribute with username accounts. Protection would simply exclude our IP policy violator, until he gets tired and leaves, at which point the protection can be lifted. Nightscream (talk) 22:20, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

The three articles can be protected for increasing periods, if that the best solution. BOZ (talk) 12:33, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

With no input to the contrary, I protected Jupiter's Legacy and List of Jupiter's Legacy story arcs for one month. The third article has had little activity since the protection expired. BOZ (talk) 18:19, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

User:67.83.143.151, wp:GWAR, wp:PUSH on 2 articles, this has been going on for months, non respect of other users, treating them as "hipsters"

67.83.143.151 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) We are in the situation of a genre warrior. First, he started on the Bauhaus (band) article. As many users including Mezigue and Binksternet told him his edits were not relevant, he called them "hipsters" on their talkpages. I don't need to add anything, you just have to read the history of his edits. Now he has changed of target and does the same thing on the Juju (Siouxsie and the Banshees album) article and makes attacks against Greg Fasolino. This has to stop. First, these two articles must be protected from ips and this ip should be blocked for at least a week as one can't let someone attack other longtime wikipedia users without reacting. If he doesn't change his behaviour in a near future, his ip will have to be blocked again. Woovee (talk) 16:31, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

In the edit summaries, this person makes insults, for instance saying that another editor is "full of crap". This person is not here to build the encyclopedia. Binksternet (talk) 16:36, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

(Non-administrator comment) Can't we just throw genres out the window and leave them for other websites to care about? They only ever cause more hassle like this can could ever be countered by whatever meagre claim to encyclopaedic merit they may have. GRAPPLE 16:37, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

They are actually useful for readers attempting to learn about music history. The issue here was an editor who was pushing a personal agenda, and even though his preferred genre was not only included in the article infobox but discussed throughout the article, it wasn't good enough because he has a personal dislike of the other main term, which is the term used in the sources. He not only attacked me personally at great length on my own Talk page (which i deleted after awhile as I was tired of the personal insults), but informed us that he did not care what the sources said, as the sources (major media going back 30-40 years) were "wrong" and "lazy". So let's not let one bad user who doesn't understand consensus or use of sources to sidetrack us into whether genres are useful. Thanks. Greg Fasolino (talk) 19:17, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Personally I would be happy to use just very broad genres like "rock" as indeed this stuff causes endless arguments and is very subjective, but that would be a site-wide decision. In the meantime there is no reason to let a hysterical bully have their way. I also nearly reported them several times but ended up just asking for semi-protection on Bauhaus (band) because life is too short. (And also if I'm honest because I find their insults hilarious, but looking at Greg Fasolino's talk page history I now see I only got a trailer for the full-gale shit storm they are capable of.) Mezigue (talk) 20:03, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

You would not believe the lengthy, LENGTHY attacks on my personal character. It's unbecoming of Misplaced Pages.

Even broad genres will have people arguing about the edges. I propose we cut things down to the two objective genres: "vocal" and "instrumental". --Carnildo (talk) 02:02, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

The issue isn't redefining what genres to use, the issue is a rogue newbie editor who has a personal bone to pick and isn't interested in what the overall sources have to say. There's no issue with the rest of the page editors about listing several genres as noted in a breadth of sources. This one person just feels that the journalists of the 1980s "got it wrong" and were "lazy" and so he then cannot accept consensus or multiple genre listings because a) it doesn't conform to his narrowly focused ideology, and b) he does not care to understand how Wiki works. I suggest focusing on this new editor's refusal to understand consensus and use of sources instead of sidetracking on radical genre changes.Greg Fasolino (talk) 22:15, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

• Could've just been reported at WP:ANEW. While I don't see a 3RR violation, the IP is clearly edit warring. Also I just want to say, WP:GWAR has to be the most awesome projectspace shortcut ever. —/Mendaliv//_Δ's/ 18:20, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Mendaliv, can I still report him on WP:ANEW ? Is it allowed to post a comment about an user on two noticeboards at the same time ? Woovee (talk) 18:30, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Woovee You shouldn't post the complaint at more than one place, you can close a request as moved to a different venue. Amortias (T)(C) 23:23, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't get back to you on this, Woovee. I honestly would've thought listing at ANI would get it faster. You could still list at ANEW, but it'd be stale now... the IP seems to have cut it out. If it continues, go ahead and list at ANEW. If someone complains about cross-posting, ping me and I'll be happy to jump in. —/Mendaliv//_Δ's/ 17:48, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

They have no desisted in their genre warring.Greg Fasolino (talk) 22:19, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

86.169.72.177 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)

The WP:RBI approach taken on socks of this banned user might warrant action on most recent IP sock: 86.169.72.177 (talk · contribs · WHOIS). Recent edit history on any articles involved should help an assessing admin recognise patterns of disruption. Page protect on (at least) AW139 article also likely should be considered. Guliolopez (talk) 00:40, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi. Is any admin in a position to review this? Guliolopez (talk) 19:35, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Redirect vandalism

I've noticed a bunch of vandalism on pages where people are adding vandalism to articles by putting in redirects to inappropriate pages, such as this, this, and this. Is there a way to prevent this (such as an edit filter), or should we just keep reverting them as they appear? Kevin Rutherford (talk) 02:32, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Those diffs are all one troll it seems. Were there others? I looked on the usually sites that organize trolling campaigns but didn't see much (though /pol/ had a few mentions of wikipedia today). Those edits did set off some filters though (). EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 04:20, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

(Non-administrator comment) User indeffed. Nice catch! Regards,   Aloha27  talk  04:38, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Suggestion: Could one of the current anti-vandal bots be cloned & modified to trap this as follows?

1. Check recent edits that add redirects,
2. Extract the name of the "old" (redirected) article
3. Do a string search in the "new" (redirect target) article contents to see if it includes the "extracted" name.

In theory the new article should always have the old article's name/topic in its contents somewhere. If not then an automated revert could be executed with an "apology-if-wrong" type notice put on the editor's talk page. Koala Tea Of Mercy (KTOM's Articulations & Invigilations) 04:41, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

I didn't even notice that it was the same IP, but I think we could set up a bot to notice if there is a redirect tag on a page, and then there is a certain amount of text below it. I think that might be easier than the other option, but I could be wrong. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 05:36, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

You make a good point, that a redirect should be on a basically empty page. Your approach would be much faster (and have much lower server overhead) to spot, but of course there also is always the risk that vandals would add the redirect and page-wipe the article. And so the battle goes on... Koala Tea Of Mercy (KTOM's Articulations & Invigilations) 06:17, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

NLT block

• CaseyMcCreedy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Katherine McNamara (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• "Legal removal of Evan McNamara's per request of her lawyer and publicist AdvantagePR as he is no longer legally her parent."

This edit summary is plainly intended to invoke a chilling effect, with an implicit legal threat against any editor who reverts. Regardless of the merits of the edit (and I am a strong supporter of following the subject's wishes in these things), the edit summary seems to me to be a clear violation of WP:NLT, but I think reasonable people may differ so I am bringing it here for review and I will leave it to independent reviewing admins to decide if the block should stand or not. Guy (Help!) 09:49, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

As they went straight to a legal threat without any previous dispute and the edit summary is dry and factual, I would say a NLT block is appropriate. Ritchie333 10:30, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Personally, I'm not persuaded, and would give some leeway if an unblock request was made. However I would expect the sentence in question to be better supported by references. -- zzuuzz 10:43, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

I had a laugh at the "no longer legally her parent" to justify for removing mention of her father. But this isn't a legal threat as neither Misplaced Pages or any editor is being threatened with legal action. Of course, that doesn't mean that there aren't other problems with the edit. I did do a quick Google check to see if there were any mentions of Katherine McNamara "divorcing" her father, but didn't come up with any legal action regarding her and father. Perhaps someone else's Google-fu will be better. —Farix (t | c) 11:38, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Not a legal threat at all, nor is it the right way to make changes either. KoshVorlon 12:00, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Also, I can't imagine an actress successful suing to "divorce" her father being completely ingnored by the media. At the very least TMZ would have covered it.--65.94.252.62 (talk) 00:47, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Discography vandalism

Over the past few months, multiple artist's discographies have been vandalized, having content blanked and release dates changed. Some of the IP addresses making the edits include:

• 1.136.97.2 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 1.136.97.10 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 1.136.97.17 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 1.136.97.18 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 1.136.97.23 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 1.136.97.26 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 1.136.97.30 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 1.136.97.31 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 1.136.97.37 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 1.136.97.42 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 1.136.97.48 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 1.136.97.49 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 1.136.97.50 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 1.136.97.56 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 1.136.97.57 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 1.136.97.61 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 1.136.97.62 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 1.136.97.65 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 1.136.97.72 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 1.136.97.75 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 1.136.97.78 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 1.136.97.81 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 1.136.97.84 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 1.136.97.86 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 1.136.97.98 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 1.136.97.101 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 1.136.97.104 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)
• 1.136.97.125 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)

Some have been blocked but new ones are popping up on a regular basis. Is it possible to get a range block for 1.136.97? Eric444 (talk) 11:56, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I've seen this one about on some discography articles. A 1.136.97.0/25 block affects only 128 addresses with little collateral damage so I've blocked for a month. We'll see if that slows them down. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 13:33, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

This LTV is likely Dylan Florida. I've got a few other /24 under multi-month blocks that I keep having to renew (including ranges adjacent to this /25). Will want to keep an eye on the rest of the /24 containing yours, and also check back in a month to reblock it. DMacks (talk) 14:00, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

OK, DMacks. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 15:37, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

User:Jonadabsmith engaging in harassment?

Jonadabsmith (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

I am rather concerned about this comment by Jonadabsmith. I quote: "Dr Harry Potts, what time would you like us to call round your office on campus for a meeting to discuss your personal attacks on students you are meant to encourage to embrace new political ideas and not silence?". Cordless Larry (talk) 20:58, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

That Dr. is the real name of User:Bondegezou, a fact which if not immediately shown on his User page is easily accessed via external link. I'm not sure how that fits into any "outing" calculation. More broadly, Jonadabsmith is unhappy about a couple of AfDs, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Luke Nash-Jones and Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/London Students for Britain, and his comments at the AfDs and on the article Talk pages would appear to exceed the usual boundaries of WP:NPA and WP:AGF among others. JohnInDC (talk) 21:19, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

I don't think it counts as outing, given that Bondegezou has linked to his work profile from his user page. I was more concerned about Jonadabsmith's suggestion that he wants to pay him a visit at work. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:23, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

I think that's right. But addressing a person by his / her real (and full!) name rather than his User name adds, IMHO, a bit more menace to the comment. I don't know what kind of an actual threat it amounts to but it certainly seems designed to intimidate. JohnInDC (talk) 21:26, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

I think the assessment here is correct, but agree it is very problematic behavior. Does seem menacing. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 21:45, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

I concur; it's hardly friendly, even if it's not a threat, per se. GAB 21:50, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

If Bondegezou places his name and place of work on his profile, he is hardly seeking to hide such, and it is hardly unreasonable for a student of a university to ask to visit a known professor at the same establishment to resolve some difference. I stress, that there was merely a request to visit, not an actual visit. Your implication that such would involve harassment is ridiculous. A friendly chat over a cup of tea is likely to be far more productive than people playing keyboard warriors while shouting acronyms as if they are the Supreme Court. User: Jonadabsmith —Preceding undated comment added 21:29, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Jonadabsmith, regardless of the outcome of this discussion, no amount of chatting with Bondegezou is likely to change the outcome of the AfDs. Deletion is not in the gift of Bondegezou and the decision will be taken by consensus. What you need to do is establish the notability of the subjects, not attack other editors for supposedly being biased. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:33, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Cordless Larry what would you like me to do to improve the notability of the subjects? More newspaper references? Jonadabsmith

Please see the pages WP:Golden rule and WP:RELIABLE, Jonadabsmith. Those will help you understand what is required. In-depth national newspaper coverage of the subjects would help, yes. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:39, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Jonadabsmith would also do well to read the second and fifth bullet points of Misplaced Pages:No personal attacks#What is considered to be a personal attack? -- as others have hinted above, he or she seems to be breaching this policy. MPS1992 (talk) 22:19, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

• The comment by Jonadabsmith (talk · contribs) (diff) is an outrageous attack on an editor. An immediate and complete repudiation may be sufficient, but the attack combined with the WP:SPA nature of the account suggest that a WP:NOTHERE block is warranted. Johnuniq (talk) 22:25, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

There is currently an SPI open on this. GAB 00:16, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Comment Their constant bringing-up of Bodegezou's political leanings, which they make clear, in the AFD as if it invalidates the fact that most of the sources are from non reliable sources is a clear sign of trying to muddy the AFD. This is unacceptable. Blackmane (talk) 00:31, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

This isn't even remotely ambiguous. The comment in question includes clear personal attacks, an inability to argue the content issue in question without going after the character of another editor, and a threat to extend harassment over this editing issue into the off-project work environment of a contributor. It's quite probable that the SPI will turn something up on this SPA, but regardless, the evidence for WP:NOTHERE seems pretty absolute. Someone should simply take this directly to an admin. Or we can always make a proposal right here. I know what my !vote will be. Snow 05:49, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

@Snow Rise: Yes, all the socks are confirmed to one another and possible to the master. GAB 23:01, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

I don't think that outcome comes as a shock to anyone. I am a little surprised that Bbb23 decided only to block the sock accounts and left it to another admin to decide whether to also block the likely master--but hopefully another admin will be along shortly to attend to that. It seems a pretty open and shut case of disruption and WP:NOTHERE, so the only thing I feel needs to be reiterated at this point is that Jonadabsmith can/should be blocked for the socking or for the blatant harassment/threats--and hopefully the block length will reflect the aggregate circumstances of the disruption. Personally, I'd fully support an indef in this instance, given this is clearly an SPA here to further a specific agenda--even if it means disrupting process through puppetry (generally grounds for an indef in its own right), to say nothing of threatening the off-wiki professional interests/personal well-being of a contributor. Snow 23:24, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

I agree. At the very least, they should be blocked for the duration of the AFD, as suggested. GAB 23:34, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

User:Bondegezou, I'll pop over from the IHR if you need someone to watch your back mate. Bloomin' undergrads 11:36, 6 March 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.68.139.189 (talk) 11:36, 6 March 2016 (UTC)‎

Urgent block needed for sock

71.174.132.60 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) I am in a dire need of a block for a sockpuppet who is a troll, is currently edit warring and engaging in possible personal attacks (on talk pages) at Talk:Jewish Bolshevism. There has been an ANI complaint about this troll before. I am currently on mobile and diff links are hard to work with, so if it is really necessary please let me know so I do so. Callmemirela 🍁 {Talk} ♑ 05:46, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Note to Administrators This is a self-admitted sockpuppet. I'm still for indefinitely blocking this sock even thought the page was protected. He's only going to cause more trouble when the protect expires. Boomer Vial 05:51, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

IP's are generally never blocked indefinitely, except for open proxies. Admins however can put it on long term semi protection, which is less disruptive to registered editors than full protection. If this IP is a sock of a currently indef blocked registered user, then editors are exempt from the 3RR when dealing with them. Blackmane (talk) 06:25, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

This person is hopping in the range 71.174.0.0/16. I would do a rangeblock, but http://tools.wmflabs.org/rangecontrib is now restricted so it only outputs the last 30 edits. A /16 range is too large to block without more information. Anyone know of a better tool? EdJohnston (talk) 06:43, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

At Special:Preferences under gadgets, enable "Allow /16, /24 and /27 – /32 CIDR ranges on Special:Contributions...". That shows contribs links for a range, although I only used it once to see how it works and do not know how far back it goes. Johnuniq (talk) 07:09, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Oops, I assumed your link was to xtools but it was for an older tool. Again, I don't have experience with using it, but xtools allows you to enter a start date although it only allows a maximum of 50 contributions. If you preview {{blockcalc|71.174.0.0/16}} in a sandbox, it provides a link (c) to xtools with the start date set to one month ago. Johnuniq (talk) 09:52, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Legal threat?

This IP (80.12.43.175 - ANI notice) just left this on my talk page. I believe that this constitutes a legal threat, but I want to get input in case I am wrong, and administrator action if I'm right. Thanks :-) ~Oshwah~ 10:13, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

The IP also keeps reverting edits made to Carl-Eduard von Bismarck, which removes a reference, adds unreferenced BLP issues, and removes templates such as {{reflist}} from the article. A report has been filed at AIV. ~Oshwah~ 10:15, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

A new user, Transparencythruth has just been created (presumably by the IP), and is now adding the same BLP issue to the article. Left a 4im warning, and an ANI notice. ~Oshwah~ 10:21, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

That was my reading of the situation too. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 10:24, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Blocked new one as a sock. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:26, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, Peacemaker67. I'll keep an eye out and update if I find any more. ~Oshwah~ 10:28, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Seems the article has been vandalized over the last few days from the same IP range, including Khaoz529k, 80.12.35.99, 80.12.39.28, and 80.12.51.34. I'm tempted to roll the article back to a point prier to these edits. —Farix (t | c) 12:10, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

No objection to that: the only difference from the current version is in the person data. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 12:59, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Seconded. ~Oshwah~ 17:36, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

This was closed too quickly. I just blocked Khaoz529k (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) for this and this. A clear legal threat. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 17:02, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

CambridgeBayWeather - I've re-opened this thread, as your information is important and is relevant to my initial report. Thank you for catching the legal threat left on my talk page. I went through about half of that message, assumed that it was all nonsense, and went on my merry way without realizing that I missed something. Much appreciated! :-) ~Oshwah~ 17:25, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

• I semiprotected the article. I guess it's whack-a-mole from here on. I note that the rule of thumb that any user with "truth" in the name is here on a mission, has been shown once again to be valid. Guy (Help!) 01:29, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

User:Potguru

Potguru (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log)

Well, here we are again, and here I am posting on the dramaboard. Anyways, I think its time User:Potguru be shown the door. The user has had some issues on the past, and seems to be here mostly to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS - The user recently has been editing Donald J Drumpf and Donald Trump (Last Week Tonight)‎ - The user seems to be warring pretty hard, and is nothing but incivil.
The proof is not only in the content, but the edit summaries.

-- -- - The user seems to be throwing thier toys out the pram and now asks that we "please erase every contribution I've ever made to this god forsaken shit hole!" --allthefoxes 19:58, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Also worth noting that the user made three consecutive votes on an AFD just to push the point. There is no question that this user is simply being disruptive and un-collaborative like a bull in a china shop. --allthefoxes 20:01, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

I've already reported the user at WP:AIV. I agree a time out is needed. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:02, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Agreed. They've decided that the "Trump supporters" have won and Donald J Drumpf is to be deleted. The AfD isn't over yet, but they've decided to take back all their contributions while blanking their talk page to any warnings. clpo13_(talk) 20:03, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Yep that was an accurate feeling when written. If there were a magic button that removed all my contributions I'd click it in a nanosecond. I WAS attempting to resolve a problem of multiple articles related to the same topic. But I have been attacked by Muboshgu repeatedly, and other non-well meaning editors who are, frankly, mad that the drumpf topic is getting the amazing press coverage it did. As I said... just erase all my contributions and I'll go back to the rock I live under with people who don't hate and are not afraid to learn. --Potguru (talk) 20:05, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Your solution to fixing an issue like that is throwing a huge fit, attacking other editors, etc? Instead of calmly discussing with other editors and collaborating? Misplaced Pages has no deadline, things take time. Staying calm and discussing is one of the core foundations of Misplaced Pages, and you seem to have no regard for it. I think you still have potential to be a great editor, but you may need to take a WP:WALK --allthefoxes 20:09, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

My solution was this...https://en.wikipedia.org/Donald_J._Drumpf_(Last_Week_Tonight) please carefully review the edits and my hard work before you judge me --Potguru (talk) 20:10, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

You were bold, and you made that page. Someone "reverted you" and now its time to discuss. It's the Bold, revert, discuss cycle. --allthefoxes 20:11, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

And only seconds ago you were wanting to show me the door... nice neighborhood, huh? --Potguru (talk) 20:28, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

dude, you want to fix the problem? Speedy delete donald j drumpf and consider recommending that the page I authored already did all the work. As you know I can't do anything right now because everyone is watching me. Your suggestion is great, now kindly act on it and take me out of this damn box. --Potguru (talk) 20:31, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

What would help is if you would stop deleting valid content from Donald Trump (Last Week Tonight). – Muboshgu (talk) 21:47, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Unlike your war edits mine are (most often) constructive and they build upon others work. You just revert anything I do because you don't like the subject matter. --Potguru (talk) 22:16, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Your edits are mostly nonconstructive, which is why we're here. You delete valid material about Google Search results sourced to the New York Times, and created a duplicate article, which you then removed the CSD template from despite several warnings. – Muboshgu (talk) 02:12, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry, bub, that accusation is way off base and likely the reason you pissed me off to begin with. Your indictment that my edits are mostly non-constructive is, to be blunt, absolutely absurd. Please actually look at the incredibly long list of edits I've made to this and a group of other articles and then come back here and apologize for your baseless attack. --Potguru (talk) 22:09, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

So is anything going to happen here? Or am I going to continue to wish my AIV report hadn't been taken down because of this. ANI often seems like a waste of time without any action. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:05, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

What would you like to happen here? Potguru seems to have accepted the way the wind is blowing (albeit ungracefully and with a fair bit of passive aggressive grousing) with regard to the AfD. That content issue is resolved (or ought to be, any time now) with a clear merge finding. Of course their "I'm going to take my ball and go home" attitude is silly, even obnoxious, but it doesn't really rise to the level of personal attacks against specific editors, nor to disruption of a sort warranting a sanction, so why are you not just ignoring them rather than engaging/enabling? Discuss the remaining content issues (such as how much content will be merged in from Donald J Drumpf) on the talk page for Donald Trump (Last Week Tonight), and if Potguru violates consensus, then return here or to 3RR. But sanctions are meant to be preventative and not punitive, so we're not going to hand one out for an issue that's already closed--nor for PG being a purveyor of sour grapes.

I will add one caveat though: Potguru, I've noticed that you are repeatedly referring to Muboshgu as "mushu" in your posts and edit summaries, which I feel is suggestive of a patronizing (if not quasi-racist) tone. Please show your fellow contributors proper respect, whatever you feel about their editorial perspectives; WP:NPA/WP:C are non-negotiable stipulations to your involvement on this project. Snow 22:03, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, I will try to be more respectful of editors. I was angry at him at that moment in time, I think I did it twice. I will refrain from acting like a child, even when angry. --Potguru (talk) 22:06, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

PS, perhaps you could warn Muboshgu above of the same, clearly his accusation that my edits are non-constructive is an attacked based on his political beliefs and not actual fact. I'm happy to follow the same rules everyone else does but I will not be singled out. --Potguru (talk) 22:14, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

@Potguru: We're not going to attack people purely based on political beliefs, especially if they haven't even stated that it's due to their political beliefs. That's like saying anyone who adds negative information to the Barack Obama article is a racist. I actually support Trump, and I'm still gonna be fine however the AfD goes. Misplaced Pages is about building a complete encyclopedia, not tailoring it to our individual political beliefs. You're edits were most certainly unconstructive, and he was right to report you in my opinion. Reporting of behavior to the proper noticeboard, as long as the report isn't blatantly false, is not a personal attack. --Nathan2055 22:29, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

If you are ok accepting his indictment that my edits are mostly non-constructive than I challenge you to actually PROVE that point, or demand that he rescind said accusation. His statement that my edits are MOSTLY non-constuctive is, as I said before, absolutely ludicrous and I will add that his accusation is slanderous. Or I can waste all the editors time and make the claim myself. I demand an apology for the FALSE ACCUSATION. The editor is not being civil, why is the set of rules he is held to different? if not different then demand he retract his attack that my edits are MOSTLY NONCONSTUCTIVE. Same rules for all, kids. --Potguru (talk) 22:36, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Unconstructive edits of User:Gamerprof

User:Gamerprof does these edits , , at Ryazhenka without any summaries which show a clear edit warring behaviour. They refused to participate at the extensive content dispute at Talk:Ryazhenka about the origin of this product. I opened this topic on Talk in December after their first edits of this kind. They ignored it and also they ignored my comment summaries inviting to participate at the discussion and the warning at they Talk. Previously they attempted to remove the word "Ukrainian" from sourced sentences (a clear vandalism) and to introduce several times highly unreliable sources (one where the authors were unsure about its origin, one blog page and one copy of an old version of Misplaced Pages itself) to assert its Russian origin (s. history) which were reverted by me and another editor. Recently another editor took part in the dispute at Talk and we discussed it in detail. The outcome of the discussion was that there is some degree of uncertainty due to the scarcity of the sources, but that the Ukrainian origin is the only one supported by the sources (actually old Russian and Soviet primary sources, as until recently this product was virtually uknown in the West). However, User:Gamerprof did not take part in the discussion, but changed lately the behaviour to simply deleting the entry in the infobox on its historical Ukrainian origin. I see no possibility to resolve the issue in a civilized manner, as the user refuses to participate in any discussion. In general, User talk:Gamerprof leaves an impression of a common edit warring behaviour on multiple pages. --Off-shell (talk) 22:35, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

It looks like Gamerprof has never made an edit to an article talk page or a Misplaced Pages space page so I'm not optimistic that he will come here and explain his behavior. This might have to be decided without his participation. Liz 22:58, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

In the past when I've seen cases like this, the usual outcome is a block for the non-participating editor to prevent further disruption. When the editor agrees to participate in discussion, then the block can be lifted. Not sure if that is the answer here, but it's one I've seen before. —/Mendaliv//_Δ's/ 00:59, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Also, considering these edits, we might enlist a Russian speaker to try communicating with this editor. (though if Google Translate is even close with the translation of those comments, we might just assume this editor is here to right great wrongs... and summarily block) —/Mendaliv//_Δ's/ 01:06, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Google Translate is very close to the Russian original, except that he used a reflexive Russian verb for "wipe" meaning "wipe your butt with". --Off-shell (talk) 06:47, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Well, that's just shocking and abusive. I think Gamerprof's comments at that editor's user talk merit an indef, at least until Gamerprof can demonstrate that he or she understands that such abusive language as suggesting that another editor should use the Quran as toilet paper is unacceptable under any circumstances. —/Mendaliv//_Δ's/ 12:44, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

• User indef'd for incivility and edit warring. If they show they're willing and capable to engage in civil discussion, I'm not gonna wheel war if someone unblocks, but I'm probably not going to be able to carry that out myself. Ian.thomson (talk) 13:15, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

What to do with this IP?

212.252.20.216 appears to be a single-purpose account who has been adding questionable material and deleting sourced information. I really don't want to keep reverting their edits. Nevertheless, I tried to have the IP discuss the changes at the TP but it doesn't seem to work. What should be an appropriate measure to take here? Étienne Dolet (talk) 23:39, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Disruptive Editing and Ownership Behavior

I have been having issues with disruptive editing (among multiple other issues) by User:MontanaBW. This behavior began when I started editing the Parelli Natural Horsemanship (a.k.a. PNH) page https://en.wikipedia.org/Parelli_Natural_Horsemanship about two months ago and has continued since.

As a matter of background, I am a student of PNH and have been for about 10 years. I have no other affiliation with the organization, financial or otherwise. I have never been paid to train horses or people on horsemanship.

When I found the page, it was sorely lacking in substance and was filled with anti-PNH material. Some of that material was valid criticism that was reasonably written. However, much of the text significantly overstated negative elements found in the source; some of it was written in a distinctly unencyclopedic tone; some of it was uncited and had been for years; some of it was nonsensical; a fair amount of it was distorted; some of it was outright incorrect and much of it lacked any countervailing view representing the “other side of the story.”

I will leave out the ugly details here but will summarize them by saying: I added material. MontanaBW deleted much of my material. She engaged in repeated "discussions" (which can be viewed in their entirety on the PNH talk page and my talk page) that usually amounted to little more than a conclusory rant about how PNH was a cult and Pat Parelli (the founder) was a “huckster” and a “flimflam artist.” She is certainly entitled to her opinions, but her editing should not reflect them.

More often than anything resembling a substantive discussion, she accused me repeatedly of COI, POV editing, copyright infringement, SPA and probably a few other things I’m forgetting at the moment.

I will give her credit for saying the right things in terms of principles (e.g. repeatedly referring to foundational principles such as NPOV and such). However, as she was saying the right things, she was doing the wrong thing -- deleting much of the material that did not comport with her vehement prejudices against PNH and being quit uncivil in the process.

That was more background than I had meant to put in but, in rereading it, I’m not sure what I should cut out. My apologies for the length so far.

MontanaBW’s latest ugly remark, left on my talk page, included, “Others can try to educate you, at this point, as far as I am concerned, I am done trying to teach a brick wall. You can either edit properly or get reverted.”

In turn, my immediate concern are her latest manual modifications to the page, which she called “Kept some changes, tossed some changes.” Most of the deletions on the page were of my work. Some of her modifications very nearly defy explanation, other than she has manually changed the page back into almost exactly how she had left it before others and I made changes (this is MontanaBW's last version of the page ).

In approximate order of their occurrence in the text (and omitting a few), these are the changes MontanaBW made manually to the page:

• She changed the “co-authored by” section – back verbatim to her earlier version – which gave “co-author” credit to the (non-notable) ghost writer and a photography-by credit (to Pat Parelli’s first wife). These individuals are clearly non-notable. On the talk page where others and I had been discussing it, she simply put, “Parelli's first wife also claims co-founder credit and helped him with his first book” (this is uncited…) and “Clearly, behind the "great man" are several hard-working women.”
• I fixed a misplaced period (to comport with the American style regarding periods/commas), putting the period where it belonged (inside the quotes):

from “The Four Savvys”.

to “The Four Savvys.”

She changed it back to the incorrect placement

• I fixed another misplaced period, taking the text

from “7 Games”.

to “7 Games.”

She changed that back, too.

• The same thing happened with

"Parelli Natural Horsemanship University",

• To comport with the talk page discussion (and to remove the word “now,” which is inappropriate), I changed the “co-created” sentence. She changed it back, verbatim, to her earlier version. Her version did not comport with the talk page discussion, which she hadn’t participated in (and added that “now” right back in).
• I had reorganized for flow. The text had read <program availability><program description><program availability>. I reorganized it so that it read <program description><program availability> (i.e., so the topic of “availability” wasn’t split by a different topic for no reason.) She manually changed it to (again, verbatim) her earlier version.
• A material mistake had been introduced at some point, describing “liberty” work with a horse as involving the horse in a halter and lead rope/flank rope. That is unambiguously wrong. Liberty work is…a horse at liberty. I changed it so it was correct. She manually reintroduced the error (to, verbatim, her earlier version).
• I fixed grammar. “Horse” is singular, so I changed a “they are” to “it is.” She changed it back to be grammatically incorrect.
• This is an article about an organization, not individuals. I changed “The Parellis state” to “PNH states.” She changed it back (again, verbatim).
• Another editor and I had discussed Lauren Barwick. She is a Parelli Professional (a title), so that is what I called her (and provided a citation). The other editor changed it to Parelli Instructor. That was wrong as “Parelli Instructor” isn’t a title; it’s a description. We discussed it and I changed it to “Parelli instructor,” which wasn’t as precise as it could have been but seemed to make both of us more or less satisfied. It was a good exercise is collaborative editing, I suppose. MontanaBW later edited it back to “has been coached by,” which isn’t wrong but it’s only about 10% of the story. (And, unsurprisingly, it is her exact text from beforehand.)
• I changed a period that appeared in the middle of a sentence into a comma (it had been “that it is "gimmicky and over-commercialized." sells overpriced materials”). She deleted the comma and reinserted the period in the middle of the sentence.

It is very difficult to improve an article when mistakes (grammatical and substantive) are being reintroduced in such a purposeful way. Her ownership behavior is not new. It appears to have existed not just for months but for almost the entirety of the life of this page.

Again, I apologize for the length of this post. Can you offer any assistance with this editor’s behavior?JackieLL007 (talk) 00:02, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

References

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Parelli_Natural_Horsemanship&diff=708129014&oldid=708105714
2. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Parelli_Natural_Horsemanship&diff=707869149&oldid=707746294

• Looks like a content dispute. I see nothing disruptive about Montanabw's conduct. You might seek third party input from a variety of places listed at WP:DR. This is just not an ANI matter. —/Mendaliv//_Δ's/ 00:10, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
  • I am, upon additional review, becoming increasingly concerned with JackieLL007's conduct, having looked hard at Jackie's user talk page and complaint here. The insistence above that the article use the Oxford comma, rather than Misplaced Pages's own manual of style, is the sort of nitpicky complaint we more often see from editors with an axe to grind. I'm not saying that this is the case, but Jackie, you should be aware that your own conduct does not look good here. I'm sorry if this isn't the response you were looking for, but I would respectfully suggest you walk away from articles concerning PNH for now. There is no deadline on Misplaced Pages. If another editor makes an edit that you feel is incorrect, it can be fixed some other time. For now, though, you should focus on becoming more experienced in the Misplaced Pages culture in subject areas where disputes are not going to concern topics about which you feel so strongly. —/Mendaliv//_Δ's/ 00:53, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

It seems to me in reviewing the complaints brought here that JackieLL07 is fixated on the article Parelli Natural Horsemanship. According to her edit stats She has been editing only since Dec 29, 2015 and has made 105 out of her 209 edits on that article and 28 more to its talk page. She has made 7 edits to her next most-edited article. For someone who appears to only have been editing for a couple of months, she has found this notice board quite early: it invites the question of whether she has used another account previously. Nevertheless, this is single-purpose account which seems very keen to right the great wrong done to the Parellis by our article. Frankly, looking at the sources, neither I nor another uninvolved editor, Bishonen who cleaned up some of the article, the sources just don't support the claims JackieLL07 is making out of them. This is a new editor whose only purpose on Misplaced Pages seems to be to impose her POV on the Parelli Natural Horsemanship article, and resents the established editors who are explaining to her the problems she is causing. A certain amount of competence is required, so I'm going to suggest that that JackieLL07 turns her attention to other articles that she is not so invested in. Therefore:

• I propose a six month topic ban for JackieLL07 from Parelli Natural Horsemanship.

She can edit other articles that she has less strong feelings about while learning how Misplaced Pages NPOV works. --RexxS (talk) 02:28, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

RexxS, I did revert two times over the last 2 months as a result of what, to me, seemed like a very heavy delete hand by MontanaBW. Other than that, I am genuinely uncertain what behavior from my editing would be construed as troubling. Could you provide some diffs, please?JackieLL007 (talk) 19:27, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

• I'm not excited about accusations of this kind while an editor clearly cannot defend herself.. Jackie many of these concerns are very simple copy edit/ grammatical changes. I don't think AN/I is the place for complaints made based on these kinds of very simple edits. Work it out on the talk page without accusations, eh?(Littleolive oil (talk) 06:18, 6 March 2016 (UTC))
• Support topic ban, though if Jackie would voluntarily back away from the article, I would withdraw my support. I'm willing to give Jackie the benefit of the doubt that it's just inexperience rather than truly tendentious editing that has led to this mess. But if Jackie doubles down in response to this proposal, I see no other answer. —/Mendaliv//_Δ's/ 13:23, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose topic ban unless diffs can be provided showing JackieLL07 editing disruptively in the topic area. Being enthusiastic about one particular topic area and being ignorant, as a newcomer, of specific details of the Manual of Style, do not add up to requiring a formal topic ban enforceable by blocks. MPS1992 (talk) 14:29, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose topic ban unless it is imposed unilaterally to both MBW and JackieLL07. MBW has stated outright that she failed to AGF by assuming the "I (she) initially thought you (Jackie) were (was) a paid editor". Had MBW approached the conflict in a more open manner, we wouldn't be here now. Lynn (SLW) (talk) 21:12, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Please allow me to clarify. I am not upset that someone is putting a comma outside the parenthesis when it should go inside. I can see why you would think that complaint was ridiculous -- it would be. That wasn't my concern, though. This is not a content dispute.

Instead, my point is this: the other editor has made such a point of reverting my work that she has now devolved to reflexively changing back anything I edit. She's an experienced editor and presumably knows relatively simple things like basic punctuation. Why in the world would she go out of her way to manually revert punctuation -- several times -- back to being incorrect? Why would she manually change "horse...is" back to "horse...are"?

(Btw, not to be nitpicky, but the comma/quote placement is American standard. . It is different from an Oxford comma, which precedes the "and" in a series. The Oxford comma is indeed optional.) I would also point out that going out of one's way to reinsert a period in the middle of a sentence (where a comma clearly belongs) seems to be almost the definition of tendentious editing.

The same is true for the substance. For example, I fixed substantive errors (including one that could be subject to no reasonable debate -- that "liberty work" involves a horse that is at liberty) and she reintroduced them.

I have tried to have discussions about specific edits with this editor for several months. For the most part, she refuses to discuss specifics and, instead, goes after the editor (i.e., me) and PNH (which doesn't particularly bother me but does demonstrate her vehement POV). The one time she did share her specific concerns, I researched her points and agreed with her. I have told her repeatedly that I am happy to discuss specific edits but she does not seem inclined to have discussions regarding specifics (and, as of her last post on my talk page, flat-out refused).JackieLL007 (talk) 15:09, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

References

1. http://blog.apastyle.org/apastyle/2011/08/punctuating-around-quotation-marks.html

• Once again, I don't see a specific problem with Montanabw's conduct here that merits intervention. If Montanabw introduced errors by reverting one of your contribs, the proper response would be to fix that specific error in a subsequent edit, and noting it in an edit summary. If Montanabw then went back and reverted that edit consisting solely of a minor, uncontroversial change in grammar, spelling, or punctuation (without a good reason, such as WP:MOS compliance), then you might have a valid argument that Montanabw's conduct is problematic. As it is, I'm just not seeing it. Please, Jackie, heed the advice I gave above and find another topic area on Misplaced Pages to edit rather than PNH. Perhaps come back to it after you've got the experience and track record under your belt that potential COI problems aren't overshadowing everything else. I say this as someone who came into Misplaced Pages during my college years trying to edit a topic related to my major and internet culture... both things that were near and dear to my heart at that time. I got very frustrated and almost didn't come back to Misplaced Pages. —/Mendaliv//_Δ's/ 15:19, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Maybe Montanabw and JackieLL007 could both leave the article alone for a couple of weeks and let other editors work on it? I'm sorry if this is not a good suggestion, but I was up late last night and got up early this morning because of real life issues, so I'm tired and my brain may not be working so well. White Arabian Filly 15:32, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Mendaliv, I appreciate your feedback. I truly am here to add to Misplaced Pages (and to address a different comment, no, I am not a returning user). I think MontanaBW's edits have, as you stated, introduced the same errors on a repeated basis. Here, MontanaBW didn't merely revert the page...she manually removed all of my recent changes. All of those changes were directed towards restoring her earlier version of the page, and several of those changes reintroduced her earlier, and unambiguously wrong, material. This was not the first time for several of these errors. For example, on the substantive front, I entered correct information (e.g., regarding liberty work), someone changed it so it was incorrect, I changed it back, Montanabw manually changed it so it was incorrect...again. (As an aside, this is a fact that is not remotely controversial, so it wasn't just a war of opinions/sources. It was plain-old error that was introduced yet again.) Manually changing every last one of my recent entries does not seem directed towards improving WP. This is especially true given that her changes reintroduced multiple and patently obvious errors (e.g., the period in the middle of a sentence). Instead, it seems directed more towards either pushing me towards dispute resolution (which worked) or towards maintaining "her" version of the page.

WAF, I think that is a good idea. I'd be happy to take a break from editing the PNH page if MontanaBW would do the same. Maybe she and I could both restrict ourselves to the talk page...?JackieLL007 (talk) 16:03, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

We will have to wait until Montanabw is back online to see. Somebody else posted on her talk page and said that her computer crashed and it may be a day or so before it's fixed. That looks like it will be the cleanest way of resolving the issue. White Arabian Filly 16:12, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Legal threat

Hoyalawya has included a legal threat on User talk:98.169.244.220. User has been notified of this ANI discussion. ~Oshwah~ 03:09, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

I had previously reported them to ANEW. GAB 03:45, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

I don't think the user's comments rise to the level of a legal threat. I read it as there may be legal consequences to the organization as a result of the post, not that the organization will take action and cause legal consequences to Misplaced Pages(ns). That said, I don't think the user is quite grasping that this is a neutral encyclopedia; they're having issues with WP:OWN and WP:COI. They could probably use some extra guidance. —C.Fred (talk) 03:48, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Hmm, I translated it differently when I first read it, but I see how your interpretation of it could be correct as well, C.Fred. I will leave it to your fine judgment; if my interpretation of the message was wrong, please accept my apologies. I will gladly accept my ten lashings :-P ~Oshwah~ 07:20, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

It doesn't sound quite like a legal threat to me... GAB 15:29, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Agreed, it's a little light for a legal threat. This edit summary comes closer, though I'm not sure if it's a threat or a concern that the information might create liability for the subject (basically, same as C.Fred says above). The request to delete the article is probably not going to happen. An NGO that old with close ties to the UN is public enough to not meet our "requested deletion" criteria, and is probably notable besides. —/Mendaliv//_Δ's/ 15:35, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

That user also reverted 5 times , so a 3RR block would be appropriate as well.142.105.159.60 (talk) 21:06, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

The user hasn't reverted the article since they were issued the 3RR warning. We do give leeway to new users when they haven't been warned. Once they are warned and they still persist in the behavior, they would be blocked. However, I will say that after this and this, they are clearly here to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS and WP:NOTHERE to contribute to an encyclopedia. —Farix (t | c) 21:41, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Timothy Parker (puzzle designer)

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Timothy Parker (puzzle designer)

A series of anonymous IPs have been reverting factual additions to this page. The page itself appears to be an autobiography, and the reverts appear to be the work of the author himself. Please see the article's history and judge for yourself.

Also read the following for background on the page's additions:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/06/business/media/questions-raised-over-crosswords-seemingly-copied-from-the-new-york-times.html http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-plagiarism-scandal-is-unfolding-in-the-crossword-world/ Econrad (talk) 03:43, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

I currently have an AN3 report filed regarding this article here. ~Oshwah~ 03:50, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! Econrad (talk) 04:00, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

• I figure at the very least we can add a semi-protection to the page for the time being. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 10:35, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Strange AfD behavior

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There seems to be some odd behavior over at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Docker's Guild. There are a lot of similar IP users making similar arguments. I'm wondering if there's sockpuppetry or canvassing going on. Some more experienced eyes would be appreciated. clpo13_(talk) 05:25, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

DGG closed it and opened a new one. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 07:23, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

AHSApacheStudent

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AHSApacheStudent (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

The aforementioned user continually vandalizes several pages dealing with 'List of programs broadcast by...' by adding false premiere dates and finale dates to various programs. The majority of the vandalism is on articles List of programs broadcast by Boomerang and List of programs broadcast by Discovery Family. He has been warned countless times, but continually ignores them. His regular violations of WP:NOR is getting annoying and a bit too much to handle. What could and should be done? Thanks, Carbrera (talk) 06:48, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

• It looks like they were blocked back in August 2015 for disruptive editing/vandalism. A look at their talkpage shows numerous warnings about unhelpful edits and I can't see where they've ever took part in a talk page discussion. By large their edits aren't overwhelmingly helpful. They do seem to have created a page for Viceland a few days before the article was created at the proper article name, but I don't see where it really impacted the article created a little after that. Some of this other edits seem to be attempts to split content off of articles and change titles without (or against) consensus. By large his edits aren't so helpful that we'd really lose anything by permanently blocking him, given that he's been repeatedly getting warnings for what looks like the same actions since he signed up. I figure that I'm going to give him an indef block. If he can make a very, very good case for himself and explain why he added false information and made other unhelpful edits, he may be unblocked. However for the time being he seems like he'd probably do more harm than good if left to his own devices, especially since he's never made an attempt to explain his actions or respond to anyone. You don't have to post on talk pages, but at some point you're expected to if you've been blocked and received as many warnings as this guy has. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:30, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I sincerely hope that he/she will finally speak up. Your actions taken are very much appreciated. Carbrera (talk) 16:13, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Interpretation of the phrase "Musical comedy"

I came across the heading "Musical comedy" on Misplaced Pages, which has a redirect to "Musical theater". Seeing as the phrase "musical comedy" can include a number of genres and performance styles, not just theatre and movies, I made an edit to undo the redirect. This was twice reverted back to Musical theater.

While I do understand that Ssilvers is a prominent contributor in the world of theatre on Misplaced Pages, I contest that in this case an error has been made as what constitutes a Musical comedy in this day and age extends far beyond the reach of theatre.

There has been some discussion on the talk page between myself, Ssilvers and some of his allies (see talk page for Musical comedy) maintain that musical comedy belongs under the heading of musical theater. But this does not apply in this day and age, one where we have, for example, live performances by artists like Bill Bailey and (in the past) Victor Borge that qualify as musical comedy and where we have mockumentaries such as 'This Is Spinal Tap', all clearly falling under the musical comedy heading but not necessarily under musical theater. I would appreciate others who have a neutral interest in this matter to comment on this.Puddingsan (talk) 10:07, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

This is a content dispute, and you need to use the dispute resolution process to resolve it. Administrators aren't umpires, and aren't going to adjudicate this problem. -- Finlay McWalter··–·Talk 10:25, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

User:Maybeparaphrased: New editor stubbornly resistant to learning/following/caring about the rules. What to do?

User:Maybeparaphrased has only been editing for a month and (not surprisingly) has already encountered a few problems.

But now I have encountered a troubling pattern that, if not addressed now, will likely just get worse as Maybeparaphrased encounters other editors.

I came across this series of virtually identical and unsourced edits by an IP: here, here, here and here. In each case, not only were they not sourced, but they simply didn't fit where they had been placed. It was pretty obvious that this IP was attempting to place this same info on every single page where the subject was listed - whether it belonged there or not.

So I tried to correct it, by reverting those edits. When I got to the actual Hank Bergman article, it was an unholy mess and looked like this.

Thru a series of edits, I removed extraneous sections and non-encyclopedic fluff and now the article looks like this. But with my first edit, Maybeparaphrased decided to revert my edit there, as well as all my edits on those other pages as well. What followed was a series of notices left on my talk page and a series of back and forth on Maybeparaphrased's talk page: where I was repeatedly, threatened, four, times and curiously - after posting on my talk page, twice, - was told to stay off his/her talk page. When I advised Maybeparaphrased that threatening editors on his/her talk page for making constructive edits - especially since he/she was unfamiliar with the editing guidelines & policies - wasn't going to fly, was itself a violation and likely could backfire, I got the response that I should "take your alphabet soup of WP policies someplace else".

Again, Maybeparaphrased also reverted my edits on those other other pages, here, here and restored the non-encyclopedic, largely unsourced and irrelevant fluff on the Bergman page.

Obviously, it's ok to be newbie. You can even be an ass. (It's even ok to be an IP.) But if you're going to not only ignore the rules, but attack people who point out what the rules are, then you're definitely going to be a problem editor down the road - and some action should be taken now.

While I'm not recommending a block for the reverts, or the threats or even the stalking, I am definitely recommending guidance and monitoring for Maybeparaphrased. Before more serious action has to be taken against a newbie who doesn't think the rules apply to him/her and already feels he/she can operate without any repercussions. Any thoughts? Thanks.2602:306:BD61:E0F0:1DD3:FAF0:D888:A273 (talk) 11:18, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

MarcoAlbani1998

Hi. I am having some problems with MarcoAlbani1998 (talk · contribs). He has had a history of problems and he has never answered a single question at his talkpage and just continues doing the same things over and over again.

Most recently he has been adding extra blank spaces when updating football matches, which itself is not a huge problem more than visual aspect while editing. More alarming is that he is not answering to any questions, despite opening three sections at his talkpage (Spaces, Spaces again and Response). He has been warned and blocked as well for disruption but nothing seems to help and I am tired of making fixes like this, this and today (after the most recent "response-section") this.

Is there something that can be done or should be done as the editor will not communicate? I do not like blocking editors for a simple matter as this and they do a lot of good, but they could at least talk. Qed237 (talk) 12:07, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Also the editor might have been starting to edit as IP to avoid detection (IP contributions) but I am not sure that they are the same editor. Qed237 (talk) 12:10, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Are these spaces visible to the reader? If not, what is the point of making a fuss about them?

The editor also seems to make some similar edits where they do not add spaces, this for example. Maybe they have read and partly understood your talk page messages and are now trying to comply with your preferences about where space characters should and should not be. MPS1992 (talk) 14:36, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, those spaces don't make a difference as far as I can tell. This editor has made no contribs whatsoever outside of article and talk space, so that is a little frustrating... but I can't see a clear reason to compel this editor to talk right now. Can you explain why that whitespace in the template fields is disruptive? From what I can tell, it's not like this editor is only changing whitespace in the edits you're concerned about. —/Mendaliv//_Δ's/ 15:12, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

As I said above, the extra whitespaces does not affect the normal reader, but when editing and updating they are "annoying". They are completely not needed and only increase article size for no reason. But, as I also said I am most concerned about the lack of communication and the fact that he continues to edit the same way without reading the messages and changing behaviour. Qed237 (talk) 15:47, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

I see nothing actionable as of yet. If your only complaint is them adding or removing white space between Wikimarkeup and inside while making other edits, then you need to find something else to complain about. You may find it "annoying" that they are adding or removing white space, but it isn't on the level of being disruptive. Some editors, like myself, will add white space into templates because we believe it improves the readability of the template. Other editors remove white space in the mistaken belief that they are "saving" disc space or bandwidth (they are actually not). And as someone who has been trained as a programmer, white space that improves the readability of whatever code or markup you are using to allow others to easily understand what you are doing an update the code/markup is extremely important. MarcoAlbani1998 probably views things similarly than I do and does not understanding why you are making such a fuss over a non-issue. —Farix (t | c) 17:40, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

I figure most likely that when MarcoAlbani1998 is adding the template for a new match, he is copying and pasting the template framework from someplace else that retains extra white space. That is not annoying or a problem, and if that's the sole reason why Marco got a 31h block a couple days ago, that block was incorrect. I see no evidence Marco is being disruptive, and strongly recommend that QED either provide diffs of actual disruption or move on, well out of the arc of the BOOMERANG. —/Mendaliv//_Δ's/ 18:42, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

From the diffs provided, I see these as pointless edits and Qed237 ought to stop making them. I have seen no evidence presented against MarcoAlbani1998 and from his edits that I could find myself, there is no actionable problem with them. Changing non-significant whitespace in the course of another edit is not vandalism, and Qed237 would do well to stop issuing warnings and WP:AIV listings as if it is. Even if it's against one's personal editing style, it's not vandalism. Even better if SQL might explain his block. I can't see why any editor should be blocked for an edit like this (assuming it's an accurate GF edit) and certainly not for suppressed whitespace. I think Mendaliv has probably hit the right explanation. Andy Dingley (talk) 19:15, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

WP:NOTHERE after not making a single discussion and refusal to answer questions has led to blocks in the past for editors. However, as suggested I will drop this now and move on. Qed237 (talk) 21:41, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

That link doesn't mean what you think it means. WP:NOTHERE are editors who are not here to constructively build an encyclopedia. You have not provided any evidence that MarcoAlbani1998's contributions are nonconstructive. And the question you ask, "When will you stop adding extra spaces?" is a silly question that even I wouldn't bother replying to if it was posted on my talk page. —Farix (t | c) 21:50, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Sitebanned editor email harassment

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Site-banned editor Fangusu has had her talk page access revoked and several of her favourite talk pages (including mine) have been semiprotected due to her ongoing IP block evasion and appeals to various users to lift her ban, in spite of very clear instructions left on her talk page regarding the standard offer. She has now taken to emailing me the same unblock requests through the site's email a user function, all of which are copypastes of the same request. It had been one every few days for a couple weeks now that I simply deleted, but she sent me five last night in the span of a few minutes, and one more this morning. I'm told that administrators can turn off a user's ability to email other users through the site, and if that's possible I would like to ask that her access to email be revoked. I can provide copies of the messages if necessary. Of course I haven't responded to her emails and I don't intend to. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 16:13, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Done. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:54, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

You had the right instinct, Ivanvector. If you had responded, the editor would now have your email address (which isn't visible through the Email this user function) and blocking their ability to email you through Misplaced Pages wouldn't affect their ability to now continue to email you. This is a good reminder to editors to only respond via email to users with whom they expect to have cordial relationships. Liz 17:04, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Latest IP of a troll

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Here it is. I have many many reports to AN/I, ANV and I believe the AN noticeboard about this. Here's the latest AN/I report. Eik Corell (talk) 18:19, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Editwarring to insert OR definition at Alt-right

At the article Alt-right Connor Machiavelli (talk · contribs) is edit warring to insert a specifically worded definition, in spite of me having pointed out that the source does not support the definition, and in spite of several ongoing discussions at the talkpage. He has already breached 3rr, but I think the greater problem is the tendentious misrepresentation of sources and synthesis in what appears to be an attempt to make this label look as if it describes a unified movement when sources are clear that it is primarily a website and secondarily a group of vaguely associated ideologies on the internet. Administrative attention would be appreciated.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 18:53, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Haven't you gone beyond 3RR, then, by that logic? You were edit warring, and now you're trying to play the victim. That's your WP:POV that the definition is WP:OR, we are still discussing whether or not to keep it and you've kept removing it. Wait for other editors to respond, don't WP:OWN like I said. You want the article merged into a person who is nowhere near the size of this movement. You're basically trying to say the movement isn't real, that isn't what it is, that just doesn't fly. Your edits are controversial, as seen by how even other editors disagree with you such as on talk page and have also reverted your edits. Connor Machiavelli (talk) 18:59, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

You are the one who has reverted to a contested definition, which is not supported by the source you give. That is ownership. And yes I have also editwarred, but I have tried different definitions based on the actual sources. Whereas you revert to the same version every time. When I argue contest your misrepresentation of the source then you need to wait to see if consensus agrees with you before reinserting it. Consensus clearly does not agree with you, or someone else would have defended your definition on the talkpage. If you revert yourself, removing the definition or readding the citation needed tag you may avoid sanctions here. ·maunus · snunɐɯ· 19:09, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Since both of you are in the midst of an edit war, I think it would be in your best interests to not edit the article until some sort of agreement is reached on the talk page. Otherwise both of you will end up blocked. Sundayclose (talk) 19:11, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

There is a qualitative difference between trying to change something using different wordings, and reverting to ones own preferred version. I have notbreached 3rr because I have note reverted Connor's edits, I have tried new options each time.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 19:14, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict):I've been struggling to decide whether this editor is simply not that competent (see Talk:Alt-right for some confusing comments) or what, but their talk page is full of warnings. They also received a DS alert about GamerGate related pages and today they added an edit relating Alt-right to GamerGate, and yesterday did something similar at GamerGate after adding a 'see also' the day before. Perhaps this should be at AE instead. Adding after edit conflict that WP:OWN would probably apply to Connor Machiavelli who has made 48.93% of the edits to the page. Doug Weller talk 19:12, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

An example of the problems I've seen with this editor is the GamerGate edit: "The alt-right has been identified as to having engineered Gamergate." The Washington Post source only says "Bernstein points out that the first contextual use of the term came from @Drunknsage, who had been a supporter of the #Gamergate crusade against so-called "social justice warriors of the left." The Buzzfeed source only says "Alt-right provocateur, Breitbart.com technology editor, #GamerGate champion, Twitter martyr, and inveterate self-promoter Milo Yiannopoulos" In no way to those sources support the claim. If the Weekly Standard is an RS, it does say "Yet as scattered and ideologically diffuse as it is, the alt right has had real success. "GamerGate," along with the wildly successful Twitter hashtag #cuckservative, are apt displays of why the alternative right has often proven more effective at fighting progressive dogma than the traditional Republican party" although that's not quite the same as "engineered". The article is a mess and very difficult to edit at the moment. Doug Weller talk 19:19, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

References

1. Bernstein, Joseph (January 21, 2016). "Conservative Provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos Starts "White Men Only" Scholarship Fund". Buzzfeed News.
2. Welton, Benjamin (2016-02-01). "What, Exactly, is the 'Alternative Right?'". The Weekly Standard. Retrieved 2016-02-05.

Gamergate is another issue. You can think what you want, but I still haven't created the article, nor made the largest edits, nor edited most of the article, Doug Weller, so me having WP:OWN on this article doesn't work. Maunus, you've been removing a definition that other editors agree with, and as far as I've seen, only you've shown that you disagree with it, so who's trying to own the article, in spite of multiple other editors? We're supposed to go by what the alt-right actually is, even if some sources are outdated on the definition so they aren't as accurate, things change over time and this movement has been growing, so we should go by what is more so agreed upon, such as by how those in the alt-right itself identify as and how they define their movement. Connor Machiavelli (talk) 19:23, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

If others agree with it then why have they not said so or reverted my edits? Is it like a silent majority thing? Maybe you can name the other editors who agree with your definition?·maunus · snunɐɯ· 19:25, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Denarivs is the one who created that in the article, and an IP has removed a redundancy of yours in trying to define alt-right. If you waited, it's quite possible we'd see others who would like to keep the article in proper shape after your WP:POV edits that are seeming to be an attempt at replacing information that was sourced because the source doesn't state it to the exact in wording of how the information in the article is presently worded, so you removed the source for that even and said a citation was needed, but you said in a description that if I brought the source back, you'd report me. This is just outrageous. Connor Machiavelli (talk) 19:31, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Well it was hard for me to wait and see what others though when you reverted within minutes. Also it doesnt really matter how many people like your definition unless they also have sources that support it.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 19:36, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Please review all of Connor Machiavelli's contributions. He doesn't seem to know how to edit without misrepresenting sources and edit-warring. — MShabazz /_Stalk 19:39, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

MShabazz, also look at how old this account is, and compare it with the level of experience you people have with editing on Misplaced Pages, so you can make a fair judgement, I do not believe I have been misrepresenting, it is just disagreed upon because there is not enough support from the source and multiple sources on those edits, and edit-warring isn't always the fault of one side, but rather it is two parties that are involved in it, I am meaning to keep articles in proper shape. Maunus, it is because of the lowness of quality your edits on this article are that you have been reverted, yet you consistently keep trying to fit in your WP:POV in to the article. Denarivs has stated previously in a revert to an edit of you about the low quality of an edit of yours on the article here https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Alt-right&oldid=708543789 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Connor Machiavelli (talk • contribs) 19:47, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

And now at the talk page Connor Machiavelli has called canvassed another editor, pinging them to come here, and called Maunus a liar. He's been warned before for personal attacks including my warning today, and blocked by User:Drmies for 72 hours just 4 weeks ago for personal attacks. Doug Weller talk 21:30, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

You warned me for something I'm not even sure about having done. The other editor is relevant to the discussion of who was right and wrong here on alt-right, since Maunus has made it about that, with this complaint about me. Maunus himself was clearly hostile to me on the alt-right talk page, so I pointed out how he was lying, I never said he was a dishonest person, so it wasn't a personal attack. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Connor Machiavelli (talk • contribs) 21:34, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

• I don't know what Connor Machiavelli is arguing here; the grammar is a bit garbled, but the semantics even more: you don't have to have created an article to act like you own it, and if "there is not enough support from the source" then by definition we're talking about original research. Drmies (talk) 21:36, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

• I suggest someone file an AE based on this user's behaviors related to the American Politics 2 and Gamergate decisions. Or persons an uninvolved admin can review their behavior here and consider discretionary sanctions. This user does not seem to be able to constructively edit in either areas, especially the politics one. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 21:36, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
• Alright, Connor Machiavelli is still at it, with this edit which also has an unacceptable edit summary. Throw in the "you're lying" comment and the combative atmosphere in a topic where it seems they are out of their league. Someone please block for 72 hours or so; I have a flight to catch. Drmies (talk) 21:45, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) I've been watching Connor's talk page since I left a warning in January for his edits at Political Correctness, which were rather problematic. There he tried to add the same information for about 3 days (first time and last time) and did not participate in the talk page discussion (which, admittedly, didn't ping him), though he never used the talk page there looking at the history (that seems to fortunately have changed though). To his credit, after the warning his behaviour on that page did change, he stopped trying to re-add the same information and only reverted a reversion of his edit once more. So there's some context on my (extremely limited) interactions with him.

Despite that, his edits here also seem to be rather problematic as well, beyond the 3RR that Maunus claims (I'd rather see some diffs for that but that's not my main concern). He recently reverted a good faith IP edit and called it vandalism without it even looking like vandalism (honestly, I think the IP's edit improved the page, since none of the sources seem to support the claim being made). He is using sources that don't support the text (The standard article linked doesn't say anything like that they are an "alternative to mainstream conservatism", rather that they oppose the Republican establishment). And that's just in the last 24 hours. Wugapodes (talk) 21:43, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

The source did support my revert to the IP who has been warned for vandalism in the past. Connor Machiavelli (talk) 22:17, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

I'm just asking for a fair judgement about this. What I've argued is that I was justified in this edit war, and Maunus was not. He has made this about who was right and wrong by blaming me alone for the edit war happening. The claim that I was trying to WP:OWN is nonsensical. On alt-right my edits have been fine, if any of my edits on alt-right have been WP:OR, it is very few. I try to constructively edit, and most of them have been, so I don't see why I should be the target of criticism instead of Maunus, despite myself having not done any worse than him on alt-right, according to other editors who have been working on that article. Connor Machiavelli (talk) 21:50, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

On another note to Wugapodes, I know the rule, but I am not even sure if what I did breaches 3RR, or even if you can count what happened as violating the 3RR. Connor Machiavelli (talk) 22:19, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Request lifting of Topic Ban of DrChrissy

• On May 20th 2015, I was topic banned here ] by @Awilley: for 6 months. The locus relates to three broad subjects (1) alternative medicine, (2) WP:MEDRS and (3) Human medicine articles.
• I applied to have my TB lifted here ]. @Dennis Brown: carefully considered the discussion and decided that my ban should be re-visited in 3 months. This was primarily, I believe, because at the time I was involved in an Arbcom case, rather than non-adherance of the TB (Dennis, I hope I am not misrepresenting you here). I am now (re-)seeking to have the TB lifted.
• During the last 3 months, I have not edited any pages in the area of my TB, or entered into discussions about them. I cannot recollect any comments from other editors that I have come close to violating the TB, or attempted to skirt the TB. I also cannot recollect asking either of the closing admins, or others, for advice regarding the extent of my TB during the last 3 months – indicating I have consciously stayed unambiguously away from the topic areas.
• I believe that when admins are looking for evidence of why a TB should be lifted, they are wanting to see constructive editing in areas away from the TB. I will not repeat the evidence I presented at my previous request, rather, I offer the following as evidence of my constructive and non-disruptive editing behaviour during the last 3 months.

Created: Grimace scale (animals)

Major re-writes: Pain in crustaceans, Bile bear, Hair whorl (horse)

Others (examples): Killing of Cecil the lion, Emotion in animals, Personality in animals

Community discussion or edits: Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard, Misplaced Pages:Reference desk/Science, Misplaced Pages:Village pump (policy)

• My TB has successfully prevented the topic areas from being disrupted by myself for the last 9 months. During this time, I have reflected upon how I caused disruption in the topic areas and I have adjusted my thinking and editing to ensure that going forward, I will not cause further disruption. The topic ban has achieved its objective and I request it now be lifted.

DrChrissy 21:24, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

DrChrissy, I'm inclined to support, but just for clarity, could you briefly elucidate on where you feel you departed from MEDRS, why your behaviour became disruptive in those instances where you discussed these policy/content matters, and what you'd do in similar circumstances moving forward when there is disagreement as to the quality of sourcing for an article pertaining to either conventional or alternative medicine? Snow 22:21, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

I'm happy to. Nine months ago, I was concerned about the way that WP:MEDRS was being applied to alt.med articles (but not conventional medicine). I began trying to understand this by making a series of "Is this source MEDRS compatible?" postings. Editors did not like this and I accept I made a series of pointy, disruptive edits. I failed to listen to consensus. I now understand MEDRS more fully and the objectives it is trying to achieve. In the future, I would not make pointy edits, and I would accept consensus well before my edits became disruptive. DrChrissy 22:37, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Admitted Sockpuppetry

Please see here. And sure enough... this is true . I would appreciate if an admin could help out with dealing with this, if taking any action is necessary. Thanks, GAB 22:12, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

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