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This article is overwhelmingly concerned with Leary's private life and association with drug-taking. He also did separate and important work in psychological theory (theory of personality etc.) that ought to be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.56.74.229 (talk) 02:55, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

External links

I'm not sure I understand or agree with the criteria used to delete all these external links, especially since none was provided. I think arbitrarily deleting 12 links added by other editors requires at least some discussion. Some of them seem to me to be as valid as some of what's left. On the other hand, I think a section with a different name might be more appropriate than just "external links". That seems to have become a repository for just about anything related to Leary. I will create an Interviews section for some of these links, and think about other possibilities. Maybe "Websites devoted to Timothy Leary". In the meantime, as a work resource, here are the deleted links:

• A page devoted to Timothy Leary & LSD with video of Reverend Lakko recalling Timothy Leary's guidance during the Marsh Chapel Experiment, an interaction with Marshall McLuhan, and other Leary links
• I Have America Surrounded - the Life of Timothy Leary - website for a Timothy Leary biography.
• An interpretation of Timothy Leary -- Reviews Timothy Leary: A Biography, discusses Leary and Aleister Crowley. J. L. Flatley
• Timothy Leary - Rotten Library article.
• "How to Operate Your Brain" Leary's guided meditation with video and music
• TFYQA.com - Think For Yourself; Question Authority: Timothy Leary ideals
• High Blotter Mark - Zero Sum Mind article. (Seems to be a dead link)
• Listen online: Think For Yourself - (Seems to be a dead link)
• Dr. Timothy Leary, photographs, River City Reunion, 1987, Lawrence, KS
• Hofmann's Potion DVD Documentary about the Early Years of LSD featuring Albert Hofmann & Timothy Leary

Some will, of course, remain deleted. Rosencomet (talk) 22:52, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Dismissal

I changed the wording so it is not contradictory. If the stated & cited reason was failure to fulfill his obligations as a faculty member, to advance another reason makes little sense. However, to theorize that an additional factor may have influenced the decision, i.e. to say either that he would not have been dealt with as harshly if he had not also been in disfavor due to his unpopular LSD activities, or that his "failure to complete his lecture schedule" was just an excuse to dismiss him, is not contradictory (though, as sheer conjecture, it still may not belong in this article at all). Rosencomet (talk) 18:12, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Robert Greenfield's biography has been criticized by many of Leary's colleagues as derogatory and inaccurate. Furthermore, the citation here isn't even from his biography, but from a book review of it. Even further, the quote doesn't match the citation; the quote reads "Chaotic tripping parties ensued, involving students, under "spiritual" or "philosophical" pretexts. In 1963, Harvard — famous for protecting its own — finally choked on the negative publicity and summarily dismissed Leary and Alpert." Not only is there no mention of allegations that Leary and Alpert gave drugs to undergraduates, but it mocks the notion that the Millbrook group used psychedelics for spiritual and/or philosophical purposes, calling these "pretexts". Finally, this claim as to the reason Leary was dismissed contradicts both Andrew Weil's statements and those of the president of Harvard. I believe it violates the guidelines for Misplaced Pages biographies, and is improperly cited. Simply stating that his dismissal was "after" some allegations by unknown and unquoted persons is not encyclopedic, especially when we have the real reason for dismissal from two reliable sources. I am deleting the line. Rosencomet (talk) 14:59, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I am also deleting the following line "Around this time, their Harvard colleagues grew uneasy about their research, and about the rumors and complaints (some by parents of students) that had reached the university administration about Leary and Alpert's alleged distribution of hallucinogens to their students." This line has had a citation needed tag since February of 2007, and is certainly the kind of claim that should not be in a biography without proper citation. Rosencomet (talk) 15:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm also deleting the following line that has been unsourced since April of 2007. If someone can find a citation that isn't a quote of this very Misplaced Pages article, please return it to the article with the citation. " He was frequently spotted at raves with Psychic TV and alternative rock concerts (Ministry), including a memorable mosh pit experience at an early Smashing Pumpkins concert."

I believe that eliminates all outstanding citation requests, so I am deleting the tag requiring them. The article has 32 references. Rosencomet (talk) 15:21, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Psychedelic experiments and experiences section

"... when Ken Kesey's Merry Pranksters visited the residence, the Pranksters did not even see Leary, who was engaged in a three-day trip."

In most articles, this sentence would only have one meaning. For an article on Timothy Leary, however, the sentence is ambiguous. I don't whether he was travelling or conducting an experiment on himself. 58.106.43.11 (talk) 01:37, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, most documentaries state that he was recovering from a heavy trip, and refusing to come down from his room to greet them... --Torsrthidesen (talk) 01:05, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

According with Timothy Leary's auto-biography (Flashbacks) published in 1983, in the second part of the book, at chapter 24 (Pranksters Come to Millbrook) pages 204/205 we have two versions of the story. Timothy Leary there explains that the first version is Tom Wolfe's version originally published in 1968 on the book "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test" which reports: "Where was Leary? Everyone was waiting for the great meeting of Leary and Kesey ... Well, word came down that Leary was upstairs in the mansion engaged in a very serious experiment, a three-day trip, and could not be disturbed"

The second version of the story is Timothy Leary's version which reports: "I had been spending a few days in New York with Nanette (nickname for Nena von Schlebrügge, Leary's third wife). In Grand Central Station, waiting for the return train, I came down with a shivering sweaty flu. Around midnight Dick (nickname for Richard Alpert, later Ram Dass) met me at the Poughkeepsie station full of the news. Ken Kesey and his fabled day-glo bus had arrived unanounced"

According with Timothy Leary's version, him and Ken Kesey didn't meet that night because he felt very ill and went straight to bed. Timothy Leary's version continues by saying that the very next day, him and Ken Kesey with some of the Pranksters met in his personal office at the mansion in Millbrook and there they promised each other to stay in touch as allies.

During an interview in the late 90s, Ken Kesey was asked about the Pranksters' arrival in Millbrook and this controversial meeting with Leary. Kesey's answer was fully supporting Tom Wolfe's version and he said also that him and the Pranksters ultimately went away from the mansion without having met Leary at all. italinux (talk) 20:05, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

There is photographic evidence of Timothy Leary sitting inside the merry prankster's bus further with Neal Cassady disproving Tom Wolfe's version. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A000:1200:406F:BDC2:282A:6C52:766B (talk) 07:29, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Problem with Dates

If he was fired from Harvard in 1963 (...lecturer in psychology at Harvard University (1959–1963). He was fired from Harvard for failing to conduct his scheduled class...) how did he return to Harvard in fall of 1965? Was he hired back? No info is given. Anyone got any sources? Need to plug this hole. Did Harvard forgive him or did he beg them to take him back? Meishern (talk) 23:21, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

According with Timothy Leary's auto-biography (Flashbacks) published in 1983, he didn't mention anything about Harvard during fall of 1965.
By fall 1965 he was already at the mansion in Millbrook, New York and was busy giving lectures and doing shows with some of his fellow companions all along the East coast, USA.
The aim of these shows was to reproduce psychedelic experiences and they used wording, lights, colours, strobe and some sort of kaleidoscope.
By the end of fall 1965 Millbrook mansion was ultimately closed down and Timothy Leary with his family travelled south towards Mexico where they got busted for $10 weed (2 joints). italinux (talk) 20:45, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

One of Timothy Leary's first jobs

I read an article in Rolling Stone a few years ago about Tim Leary and was surprised to see that he was credited for working in a psychologist's office in my hometown, Butler, Pa as one of his first jobs. Unfortunately, that was all it really said and I haven't been able to gather any infrormation on it. It would be very interesting for me to learn more about this, and perhaps not coincidentally, the town has a bit of a hippie subculture following in parts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.144.2.26 (talk) 15:25, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Concord prison experiment

An anon recently deleted some unsourced text, and I'm adding it here for archival purposes. Text follows: Viriditas (talk) 05:18, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

.The results of this experiment were later largely contested by a follow-up study, citing several problems, including time differences monitoring the study group versus the control group, and other methodology factors, including the difference between subjects re-incarcerated for parole violations versus those imprisoned for new crimes. The study that contested Leary's research concluded that only a statistically slight improvement could be shown by using psilocybin (as opposed to the significant improvement Leary reported).

There actually is a source for that in the article - I thought it was very bizarre to read about the positive results of this experiment, click on the source for it, and find that the source was a follow-up study that found the original experiment's reported findings to be incorrect. I'm going to put that text back in. Weremorl (talk) 05:19, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

On Progeny...

In the latter passages of this biography, there is mention of a son, Zachary. However, the article only details the birth of a daughter Susan and son Jack (born in 1947 & 1949, respectively) throughout the entire course of his life. Was this Zachary an hallucination of himself and those around him or did we just forget to mention when and under what circumstances he came into being?
--K10wnsta (talk) 05:00, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Tim had 3 children: Susan (born 1947), Jack (born 1949) and Zachary (born 1973) and adopted by Tim and his last wife Barbara. italinux (talk) 20:05, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Various

Leary proclaimed the idea of a licence for drugs like for driving. Somewhere on this record: http://www.amazon.com/Turn-Tune-Drop-Timothy-Leary/dp/B0028R1M00/ref=sr_1_cc_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1285358211&sr=1-2-catcorr

At the end of the "Influence" section

I have removed the explanation of "Turn on, tune in, drop out," as it is contrary to Leary's own explanation in "Start Your Own Religion"

50.53.144.108 (talk) 23:13, 15 February 2012 (UTC

Changed the Huston Smith section

It was written that Smith only had one psychedelic experience. In doors of perception, Smith states he used it on several occasions as an undergraduate in a "ritual" like way, and took peyote as a "duty" in a native American ceremony. So I changed the text accordingly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.84.51.138 (talk) 06:49, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Surfing the Conscious Nets

I stumbled across this graphic novel and, frankly, I don't know what to make of it. It feels like a small pet project by Leary and some friends. It's cover reads "Timothy Leary Surfing the Conscious Nets: a graphic novel by Huck Getty Mellon von Schlebrugge". Within, the credits read "Inter-text: Timothy Leary" (the prefix "inter-" is used throughout the credits, perhaps as a play on "internet", which is a large role in the book). Huck Gutty is an obvious pseudonym, but appears to be a pseudonym for a character in the story (who is black and, presumably, not Leary). Huck Getty is meant to be "Nicotine" Jim Bauer, who is credited in the book as "Good Attitudes: Jim Bauer", which is a half step above "we would like to thank". From what I gather, the letters which make up the book were written by Jim Bauer (Huck Getty), but edited and assembled by Leary. The cover by line credits Huck Getty, but the internal credits list text by Timothy Leary. It's such a small circulation too, I've about given up trying to figure out what this book is meant to be. Any thoughts? Scoundr3l (talk) 23:17, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you are asking. Like you've already observed, the content is mostly taken from letters written by Jim Bauer. The book was published by Last Gasp and is still available. Viriditas (talk) 00:16, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

334 watchers but references in terrible shape?

This page has a large number of watcher (334 at the moment) but the references are in terrible shape. I just fixed a bunch of the most egregious problems but there's a lot of cleanup work still needed. If you like this article enough to watch it, it could use some more love. Jason Quinn (talk) 19:25, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Bias

The article at current time reads "Though obtaining useful data (Leary and his associate Richard Alpert were fired)". "LSD-data", useful? Clear bias by a proponent of drugs. Banned drugs, for good reasons. These people are really about idolatry, that is the "data" people should see. Obviously Leary thought he had a totem, that was popular, seen in the phrases and lingo he uses. That is all they are about. Also known by various derogatory terms, later also associated with "yuppies", when the naive associations to peace faded. Forbidden in monotheism ;)

You're quite right. Go ahead and fix the article. ImprovingWiki (talk) 02:16, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Actually, the editor is quite wrong. The current article attests to the useful data, such as the Concord Prison and Marsh Chapel experiments as only two examples. The conclusions of these and other studies (psychedelics can help people) have been supported in recent experiments. Viriditas (talk) 04:17, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Header image suggestion

Could someone consider putting a more vibrant, colorful, and expressive picture of Timothy instead of the current one on the header? It's so bland and depressing, and he was such a very outgoing and warm man--he should at least be viewed and remembered by that. Aucirlo (talk) 10:53, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

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Bringing it over here. Philosopher?

So, there has been a discussion going-on @ NPOV.Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard#Timothy Leary This began after one IP editor added Leary to category, "Philosophers". I am another IP--(and my IP has been dynamic/changing), who noticed that the category add was rv, so I took a look, and found what I thought was a good ref., so I added it. (the bibliography ref in the lede.)...................anyhow, I'm bringing the question back here where it should have been. And adding this, Contemporary philosophy#Outside the Profession . With the questions, should Dr. Leary be in the category? And/or should he be added to the "outsider"-list? In the discussion at NPOV, there are links and references to various reliable source mentions of Leary being, doing, and calling himself a Philosopher, but there is an editor of this page who wants to maintain some professional peer-group associations as the "test"--of who can be labeled as a philosopher here in Misplaced Pages. At this point, it does appear that Dr. Leary does not quite fit into the philosopher category, so I'm wondering what everyone else thinks? Keeping him in the cat. could open the door for others who may actually be better categorized as "outsiders", in the philosopher's article(s). 2601:80:4003:7416:5430:24E8:873B:31D9 (talk) 23:33, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

In the absence of sufficient reliable sources, there is no basis to describe Leary as a philosopher. The lead needs to be reverted to before the POV-pushing done by the IP editors. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 23:35, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

OK-but you know we have RS by Misplaced Pages standards. What you are asking goes beyond that. 2601:80:4003:7416:5430:24E8:873B:31D9 (talk) 23:45, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

WP:NPOV: "All encyclopedic content on Misplaced Pages must be written from a neutral point of view (NPOV), which means representing fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all of the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on a topic." Have you shown that the idea that Leary is a philosopher is a significant view in reliable sources? No. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 23:47, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

My reading of the discussion at NPOV was that reputable sources were quickly offered to support describing Leary as a philosopher. Maybe you don't hear them. Frankly, I was surprised to see the question arise at all, having lived through the 60s. Whether you agreed with him or respected him or not, my personal recollection is that of course people thought he was a philosopher. It was the 60s. :) I think you should give this one up and move on. Msnicki (talk) 00:29, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

So, FKC, you have cited NPOV. But the sticking-point for you seems to be more of the fact that Dr. Leary was not degreed as one, recognized as one by "legit"-Philosophers-mainly? Or contemporary practitioners of the applied science of Philosophy of his time or after? And/or that he did not base his work in what he called philosophy in the acknowledged philosophers of the past, according-to the accepted standards for study and discourse in the highly specialized field? If-so I SEE YOUR POINTS. But trying to make that fit NPOV somehow, based-on your interpretation of WP:NPOV, is not doing it for me. For some reason, I am liking this to a discussion about whether or not Bill Nye the Science Guy is/was a RS, or acceptable inclusion as a RS on climate change topics in WP, and more importantly, could he be included in a group of Climate Change Scientists. I really do not know how that ended, or what WP policies were cited, but NPOV is too vague to use as a policy example in either case.2601:80:4003:7416:5430:24E8:873B:31D9 (talk) 01:09, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Msnicki, it is not relevant what unnamed "people" thought in the 1960s, and I think you should know that. While someone did suggest at WP:NPOVN that at least one reliable source identified Leary as a philosopher, that same person also noted that one reliable source was not enough by itself. The fact remains that no one has shown that the idea that Leary was a philosopher is a significant view in reliable sources. That being the case, the reference to Leary as a philosopher needs to be removed from the lead, as it is misinformation and potentially damages Misplaced Pages's reputation as a serious work of reference. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 20:55, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

My mention of my surprise was not offered as evidence of notability but rather at face value, that, no surprise, others quickly provided reliable sources in the discussion at NPOV indicating that Leary was indeed regarded as a philosopher. He may not have been a good one, he may not have made any money at it, it's possible that only the most drug-addled thought he made any sense at all. But the sources do say he was philosopher. You sought a consensus at NPOV and it didn't support you and you don't seem to have a new argument here. You can't keep forum-shopping until you get the answer you want. Consequently, I'm going to revert your latest edit in a moment. Msnicki (talk) 01:38, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

The suggestion that Leary was a philosopher can be read in two ways: (a) he thought a lot and/or made insightful commentary; or (b) he held an academic position as a philosopher and contributed to recognized philosophical journals. The lead of the article currently includes "Occupation: Psychologist, Writer, Philosopher" which is patent nonsense as no source supports the (b) interpretation. If (a) applies, the word is meaningless as lots of people think a lot. If a source with an in-depth analysis of Leary describes him as a "philosopher", and if there were any encyclopedic benefit to including such a meaningless term, the body of the article might include an attributed opinion, however there must be no mention in the infobox unless someone can show Leary was employed as a philosopher. Johnuniq (talk) 23:31, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Isn't there a third option, that reliable sources say he was philosopher and that settles it? Here at WP, the goal is verifiability, not truth. If you disagree, maybe you should write your own book claiming he wasn't really a philosopher, get it published by a reputable house, then we can have a section titled "Philosopher controversy". For now, the published sources and the consensus sought and obtained at NPOV seem pretty compelling to me. Msnicki (talk) 01:38, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

It is up to you to show that Leary being a philosopher is a significant view in reliable sources, per WP:NPOV. That has not been demonstrated. Discussion at WP:NPOVN has mostly favored leaving out the "philosopher" label, on the grounds that there is so far not enough evidence to show that it is an important view in reliable sources. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 02:02, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

I just re-read the NPOV discussion. A source doesn't get a lot more reliable than the LA Times and while no thought he was a new Aristotle, I think there was a consistent, if grudging admission that he was considered a philosopher. Yes, a lot of the discussion argued against considering him a philosopher but that's only because virtually all of that was YOU, repeating yourself over and over. Nobody else was anywhere near as insistent and NO ONE else worried that reporting something even the LA Times remarked on would damage WP's reputation. Wow. I think you just thought you won. It sure didn't look like it to me. I was about to revert to you again but got beat to it. Msnicki (talk) 02:22, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Here is the situation:

• From Philosopher: "A philosopher is any intellectual who has made contributions in one or more current fields of philosophy, such as aesthetics, ethics, epistemology, logic, metaphysics, social theory, and political philosophy." (definition added by SPECIFICO)
• "Activist philosopher" is a made-up term to highlight the fact that it is not referring to the profession of philosophy.
• The LA Times story is titled "COMEDY REVIEW : Timothy Leary Does His Stand-Up Philosophy Show on Sunset Strip" and the only mention of the term in the article is "Leary did his stand-up philosopher act...".
• A throw-away IP is willing to edit war to promote the idea that Leary's occupation included "philosopher".
• The philosophy game is hilarious, but sprinkling links in articles should not be encouraged.

Would editors please read the LA Times article as it was written—it is a review of a comedy act, not a biographical statement regarding Leary. The mentions of "philosopher" are not a serious attempt at assessing Leary's credentials. We will have to get the article semi-protected or wait until the IP finds another horse to beat. Johnuniq (talk) 03:22, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Msnicki, you should perhaps read the discussion at WP:NPOVN again. The IP editors supported calling Leary a philosopher. Here are the views expressed by the other users who commented, besides myself: "No evidence has been provided that he AUTHORED and TAUGHT, and LECTURED philosophy. The source provided says he was an "activist philosopher," whatever that is. So I would take it out" (The Four Deuces); "Doing a google search (yes, not exhaustive) clearly shows that if the word "philosopher" is used with Leary's name, its a self-ascribed label that he called himself and not a professor that we could call him as such. The LA Times article above, for example, shows how he used "Stand-up Philosopher" to describe a stage act. He had a specific philosophy, but that's not same as being a philosopher by profession" (Masem); there are a few legit sources out there that do describe Leary as a philosopher (among other things). The International Encyclopedia of the Social Sciences, for example, describes him as "a psychologist, scientist, and philosopher who made substantive contributions to interpersonal theory and methodology and also gained notoriety for his endorsement of and research on hallucinogens." So the IP isn't completely off-base, although I'm skeptical that there are enough sources like this out there to justify using the "philosopher" label (Fyddlestix); "we need surely to be quite strict and consistent about what we mean when we describe someone as a "philosopher". The term is often used quite loosely in the real world for anyone who has opinions or theories about life and the wider world, as well as in a more formal academic or historical sense, and it should be latter that we focus on. Sources that may well be "reliable" in the broadest sense can often be found that say X or Y is a "philosopher", but we shouldn't blindly follow one or two randomly selected ones, especially when there's no guarantee they mean the same thing as others. This isn't a matter of sourcing per se but, as noted, a matter of what sources and what is meant by the term" (N-HH). In other words, there is a consensus against applying the philosopher label at this time. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 04:09, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Timothy Leary refered to himself as a performing philosopher, the press called him a stand up philosopher because he often used comedy to grab people's attention. FKC you are like a broken record, making the same point over and over again. Maybe the reason Timothy Leary hasn't been ackowlaged by other philosophers is due to his controversial beliefs in the same way Terrence McKennas's stoned ape theory was rejected by anthropologists without even having been investigated. My point is philosophy is not a union, someone should not have to be acknowlaged by other philosophers to actually be one. Also there are many sources that credit Timothy Leary as a philosopher, but he really is on the outside of mainstream philosophy. What are you'r thoughts on Aldous Huxley, do you not think he should be credited as a philosopher? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A000:1200:406F:BDC2:282A:6C52:766B (talk) 07:02, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

You should read WP:NOTFORUM. Misplaced Pages talk pages are not there for discussing our personal opinions and beliefs about various subjects; they are there so users can discuss how to improve articles. Actually, what the hell, go ahead and keep violating the policies, and get yourself blocked. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 07:53, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

So your obviously the kind of person who thinks your opinion is the only one that matters. You contradict everything you say with your own hypocrisy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A000:1200:406F:BDC2:282A:6C52:766B (talk) 08:08, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Removal of cited information

IP 2605:a000:1200:406f:bdc2:282a:6c52:766b is edit warring to remove properly cited information, as visible here where it reverts me and here where it reverts another user. As this is unacceptable behavior, I have had to request that the article be protected. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 04:34, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Wow, such incredible hypocrisy. FreeKnowlageCreater is edit warring to remove properly cited information, visible at Timothy Leary: Revision History. Why not try practicing what you preach? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A000:1200:406F:BDC2:282A:6C52:766B (talk) 06:20, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

You should try reading WP:CIVIL. Persistent incivility can get you blocked. As to content issues, the situations are of course not the same: you are removing properly cited information for no valid reason, I am removing claims that can be found in sources but still need to be removed per WP:NPOV, since they give undue weight to the opinion of a very small minority - that Timothy Leary is a philosopher. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 07:58, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

You did the exact same thing I did YOU HYPOCRITE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A000:1200:406F:BDC2:282A:6C52:766B (talk) 08:24, 28 March 2016 (UTC) You cannot overule everybody on wikipedia, you are the only one who has a problem with the cited information crediting Timothy Leary as a philosopher. You stand alone, and nobody is listing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A000:1200:406F:BDC2:282A:6C52:766B (talk) 08:32, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

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