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    STSC

    This request is placed on hold until 23 April. EdJohnston (talk) 19:14, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

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    Request concerning STSC

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    TheBlueCanoe (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 14:52, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    STSC (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Falun Gong 2 :

    User:STSC is essentially a nuisance editor with a consistent, pro-Chinese government point of view. He is involved in regular conflict with other contributors, edit wars frequently, and personalizes talk page discussions to needle and provoke his opponents. Although most of his actual edits are relatively minor, they are also consistently counter-productive, thereby creating problems that other editors have to resolve.

    Evidence of the user’s POV editing and adversarial conduct spans a variety of topics related to China (including Sino-Japanese relations, Hong Kong, Tibet etc.), but unfortunately this complaint is limited to the user’s conduct on Falun Gong articles per the relevant discretionary sanctions.

    For more context, there was an ANI complaint about the editor recently here. The complaints there are pretty illuminating.

    Evidence of POV editing

    • – claiming that something attributed to a third party is actually just from “Falun Gong sources”. (A Chinese human rights lawyer who has represented Falun Gong practitioners is not a "Falun Gong source"; civil rights lawyers were clearly interviewed by the media outlet for their familiarity with the subject, rather than as spokespersons for Falun Gong)
    • - Torture deaths as reported by the New York Times are merely “alleged” (Misplaced Pages's manual of style recommends against using expressions of doubt such as "alleged". There are exceptions where "alleged" is appropriate—e.g. in a pending criminal case against an accused individual—but this doesn't seem to fit the bill).
    • - Changes the caption on an image of Gao Rongrong – a Falun Gong practitioner who, according to multiple reliable sources, was tortured to death in custody in 2005. STSC edits the caption to remove mention of the fact that she died, and adds the qualifier that she was only “allegedly” tortured. He used misleading edit summaries, calling these copyedits or “resizing”.
    • - Obsessively wikilinking the word “cult”
    • -Repeatedly adds Falun Gong to the page Governmental lists of cults and sects, even though Falun Gong is not on any government’s list of cults and sects (the Chinese state does often accuse FLG of being a “cult”, but this is a separate question from whether it is on the government’s official list of such groups, which it apparently is not). To get around this problem, he edited the article to say “cults and sects identified by governments are not necessarily put on a designated list.” Also worth noting that he uses clearly biased sources, and introduces errors of fact (e.g. claiming falsely that the National People's Congress outlawed Falun Gong—it didn't).
    • For insight into why STSC seems so compulsive about the “cult” thing, see his comments here. These are precisely the arguments used by the Chinese government to defend its treatment of Falun Gong. In essence: the mass imprisonment, torture, and killing of Falun Gong devotees is ok because it is not a religion, but instead a "cult" that imperils social stability (charges that are easily refuted, if only one bothers to read reliable secondary sources on the topic). In a chilling admission, STSC suggests that the “elimination” of this religious creed should not be viewed as “undesirable,” and calls for greater deference to be given to the Chinese government.
    • - Removing perfectly fine photos, often for being “irrelevant,” and edit warring to keep them gone
    • - Tendentious tag-bombing, mostly to the lead section, even though information contained therein is fully referenced in body of the article
    • – an interesting replacement

    Evidence of prior warnings about Falun Gong discretionary sanctions:

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    Response

    Ah, I did overlook the 20 diff limit. In that case, would the reviewing administrators allow an exception? Most of the diffs do not show complicated edits—most of these are small, simple edits made repeatedly. The number of them is evidence simply of the user's tendency to edit war to enforce his point; I'm not sure how else to illustrate this type of conduct.

    As to STSC's contention that "any editor could have informed me on my talk page" about problems with his editing, this is not my experience. I attempted to do this, letting the user know that his edit summaries and caption changes were misleading. He responded by accusing me of harassment and intimidation, informed me that I was unwelcome on his talk page, and called my suggestion that he remedy the problem "a nonsense."TheBlueCanoe 15:26, 1 April 2016 (UTC)


    Discussion concerning STSC

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    Statement by STSC

    This is a brief response as I'm in the middle of my long holiday and will be unlikely to respond in the next 2-3 weeks.

    • There're 40 diffs in the accuser's statement, far more than the 20 diffs limit.
    • My edits in the articles have been normal and reasonable, and usually within the Misplaced Pages's guideline.
    • My participation in the discussions has been normal and in civil manner, and usually within the Misplaced Pages's guideline.
    • Some of my edit summaries may not have included a comprehensive explanation due to my laziness, any editor could have informed me on my talk page if they required any further explanation.
    • TheBlueCanoe accuses other editors "POV editing"; from other fair-minded editors' viewpoint, his edits are actually very much pro-Falun Gong POV editing. This is just a classic case of WP:BOOMERANG.
    @TheBlueCanoe: You did not ask me for explanation about my edit, you just told me to self-revert my edit as if you owned the article? That's the way you have been operating on Misplaced Pages - any edit that is not favourable to Falun Gong must go. STSC (talk) 18:13, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
    @EdJohnston: I agree to your temporary arrangement for this case. Thanks. STSC (talk) 05:31, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

    Statement by (username)

    Result concerning STSC

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
    • Awaiting a response from STSC (who hasn't edited since March 21). Newyorkbrad (talk) 22:33, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
    • I'd be OK with putting this AE request on hold until STSC is back from his trip. A maximum of three weeks' delay could be considered. I'd collapse this AE and put 'On hold' as the result. If STSC doesn't return, then we should decide the case anyway. EdJohnston (talk) 04:49, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

    No More Mr Nice Guy

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    Request concerning No More Mr Nice Guy

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Nableezy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 20:24, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    No More Mr Nice Guy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Topic wide 1RR :
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

    BDS article

    1. 18:34, 26 March 2016 Initial revert
    2. 18:39, 26 March 2016 Self revert to perform a larger revert
    3. 20:54, 26 March 2016 Final revert

    Exodus from Lydda and Ramle article:

    1. 16:57, 25 March 2016 revert
    2. 18:28, 26 March 2016 revert
    3. 04:12, 28 March 2016 revert
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    • Participated in an arbitration request or enforcement procedure about the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on 22:00, 5 June 2015.
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    In the BDS set of edits, NMMNG self-reverts a revert he made earlier so that he can make a larger revert. That same thing happened here and it was found to be disruptive behavior that merited a 4 month topic ban. At the Exodus page, through the time of those last 3 reverts, NMMNG was arguing by himself against 5 different users on either the talk page or through reverts. I realize he never actually broke the 1RR, but like the 3RR nobody is entitled to 3 reverts every 24 hours, and when you're alone reverting against 3 different users with more arguing against you on the talk page I think that qualifies as edit-warring.

    As far as the rather curious line unlike what Nableezy and Nishidani did at L&R, I'd like to note I have exactly 0 reverts at that article. Also, as far as the supposed long-standing version, NMMNG actually completely removed the well supported text, not just in bold in the first sentence, but later on in the lead as well. nableezy - 21:24, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
    Yes, I removed it when it was repetitive. You said you restored the long standing version, I was pointing out that in fact you didnt, you reverted the inclusion at the beginning of the article but did not restore it to where it had been later. nableezy - 21:40, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
    The diff is the difference between what you claimed was the long-standing version and what your edit resulted in. My point in this little side excursion that really doesnt serve a purpose here was to demonstrate that your claim that you were simply restoring the long-standing version "per BRD" is not true. I said you completely removed the term from the lead, which is emphatically true (heres the diff). Im pretty sure my browser's find function works but maybe Im wrong and you didnt actually remove it from the entire lead. Where in your edit is it? nableezy - 22:36, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    Notified


    Discussion concerning No More Mr Nice Guy

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    Statement by No More Mr Nice Guy

    • This seems like an attempt to preempt my reporting another editor for his behavior at one of the articles mentioned here, so if the admins could address everyone's behavior in the two articles mentioned, that would be awesome.
    • Nableezy is incorrect regarding my second revert at BDS. I self-reverted because I was in violation of 1RR, not because I was planning to make a different revert like he did and was topic banned for. The third revert (actually the second) was slightly different than the previous one since there were a couple of intervening edits. I just reverted back to the version to prior to when I inadvertently violated 1RR.
    • On the Lydda and Ramla article, my first revert was initiation dispute resolution per BRD. The second revert was of a driveby revert of someone who claimed he OWNs the article and didn't engage in discussion, and restoring the longstanding version again, per dispute resolution and arguments made by Nableezy's mates on the BDS article he generously brought up here. Note that there a month went by with dozens of intervening edits and they still considered it the longstanding version. An RfC was started there with the article at what was claimed is the longstanding version state, and nobody tried to edit war the version that's being discussed back into the article, unlike what Nableezy and Nishidani did at L&R. The third revert 2 days later, was me trying to initiate what I thought would be a more respected dispute resolution procedure, since more driveby reverts were made. Then Nishidani edit warred the disputed version back in.
    • Please note that at the L&R article, all this happened on a holiday weekend. Apparently is was super urgent to get this wording into the article despite my multiple attempts at dispute resolution. If they had taken a couple more days and gave a chance for other editors to participate, none of this would have happened.
    • If any admin would like me to expand on any of the points above, please let me know (and if you could relax the word limit for that purpose, that would be awesome). No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 20:59, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
    Further responses to Nableezy: Nableezy says I removed some text. Turns out he removed it. I never touched it. I did miss his edit when attempting to restore the longstanding version, but did not remove the term from the infobox and only argued it should not be in bold in the first line of the lead, not for it to be completely removed from the lead.
    • @Nableezy - actually, it was you who removed it from there. I may have inadvertently reverted to the wrong version (I only did reverts, I did not edit directly) but you can see from my arguments on the talk page that I didn't object to the term being in the lead at all, I objected to it being bold in the first line of the lead. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 21:35, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
    • @Nableezy - yes, and I said I meant to restore the longstanding version, as is clear from my talk page arguments. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 21:45, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
    • @Nableezy - OK, I figured it out. Your diff above includes several intervening edits, it's not an actual revert I made. I only reverted the addition to the first line of the lead, I did not notice you removed it from elsewhere. You say above that I removed it. That's a false claim, kindly strike it out. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 21:55, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
    • @Nableezy - I never touched that text, so your claim I removed it is obviously false. I did not remove it from the infobox or argue it should not be in the lead at all, so I think it's obvious I just missed it when trying to revert to the longstanding version. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 22:44, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
    • Point of order: I collapsed some responses to Nableezy after he responded. I hope that's ok. I am now at my limit (not counting sigs or collapsed content). No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 22:21, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
    • Like I said above, I would be extremely happy if the admins looked at everyone's behavior at the L&S article. Particularly the two driveby tag team reverts, Nishidani inserting new content twice over objections, and Nableezy declaring after 3 days of a holiday (and spring break) weekned that a new consensus has formed and my policy based objections are invalid. These are all things that have been discussed at AE in the past and were found to be disruptive editing. Meanwhile, this report just sits here and I can't take these issues elsewhere because I'll be told they're stale. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 16:52, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
    Nishidani said: "Persistently approaching editing here in terms of some hypothesis that those who disagree with you have ulterior motives, and act as a gang, is one reason why NMMGG's recent work is problematical". Herein you will find many examples of Nishidani articulating such an hypothesis, from his earliest days of editing onward.
    • "I agree that tag-team editing is a problem. I've seen it done by both "sides" of the dispute and would encourage uninvolved admins, and perhaps ArbCom, to be responsive to this problem"
    • "but really you guys on the hasbara teams should get your acts together"
    • "You both followed me here, and tagteaming is frowned on."
    • "I will continue to comment on this hasbara team effort"
    • "Some of them work in tag-team efforts, evidently organized via email. One has to deal with them mechanically, and wait for serious editors"
    • "Curtis's tagteaming sidekick should be banned from the Korean article"
    • "systematically removed by a coalition of tag-team posters"
    • "To self. Probably IP banned editor, trying to tagteam and push me over the 1R limit"
    • "There is no logic here other than your instinctive tagteaming backing of an incompetent editor"
    • Unfortunately the move to https a last year seems to have broken my script, but if anyone cares I'll fix it and find some more recent examples (I have probably 50 more in the timeframe above), but I think I've shown persistent articulation of what Nishidani himself says is problematical behavior. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 17:40, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
    • Struck out the above because I just remembered something Nishidani said to me last week "It's pointless arguing here, since this is a numbers racket, and you all have the numbers. Accuracy has nothing to do with it." No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 18:48, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
    Further response to Nishidani
    • So "Persistently approaching editing here in terms of some hypothesis that those who disagree with you have ulterior motives, and act as a gang" is problematic when I do it, but completely justified when you've been doing it constantly for nearly a decade? Is that right? I hope you appreciate the irony of you saying that I "appear to have a WP:BATTLEFIELD mentality and automatically assume this is what those who disagree with him have" based on something you do constantly.
    • By the way, I don't spend "inordinate time ransacking contribs". As I told you, I'm not using the limited wiki search tool. It takes me literally seconds to find this stuff. I updated my script to use https and can now, for example, tell you that in 2016 you have already explicitly accused people of tagteaming 3 times:
      • "That it was a tagteamish drive by edit, inattentive to the talk page, is shown by..."
      • "That is a personal attack, a totally distorted alarmist report, and an attempt to stack the page by rallying a tag-team."
      • "It's pointless arguing here, since this is a numbers racket, and you all have the numbers. Accuracy has nothing to do with it."
      • Total time spent on finding and posting the above: 3 minutes 20 seconds.
    • Could you try to show some consistency and "encourage uninvolved admins, and perhaps ArbCom, to be responsive to this problem" on the Lydda and Ramla page? If your hands are clean you have nothing to worry about, n'est-ce pas? Also, try to realize you accuse someone of tagteaming around once a month on average. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 20:32, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

    Statement by Sir Joseph

    A 1RR violation usually requires one to violate 1RR. Sir Joseph 20:35, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

    Statement by Nishidani

    It is not policy, but the essay Misplaced Pages:Status quo stonewalling explains much of what is going on here (and at the (talk page). A majority of 5 were in favour of a change to the lead, there was only one objection. The objector NMMGG reverted to keep his preferred version in, and immediately opened an RfC so that change could be blocked.

    The editor then repeated insinuations that the 5 opposing him were editing in bad faith, acting as a concerted gang.

    ‘you people abusing your numbers advantage’/ ‘you guys just couldn't wait.’

    NMMGG threatened to take me to this page if I didn't revert to his preferred version.

    When Nableezy reported him for edit-warring he repeated this accusation

    (This seems like an attempt to preempt my reporting another editor for his behavior at one of the articles mentioned here, so if the admins could address everyone's behavior in the two articles mentioned, that would be awesome. . . .

    Almost immediately User:Brewcrewer made a counter-report against Nableezy using stale edits, which had all the appearance of ‘retaliating’ to ‘balance the equation’, giving the impression of a kind of ‘If you report one of my buddies, I’ll report one of your buddies’ mentality. The report was summarily dismissed. The RfC so far gives the same picture. NMMGG won’t address the evidence with any sound policy objection while pettifogging to challenge the overwhelming source evidence for a change. The only way NMMGG can make head or tail of the fact his position, both on the talk page and the RfC is minoritarian, is to insinuate that those who oppose him are tagteamers using a numbers game. There's one sure way of discerning who is tagteaming in these circumstances: examine the talk page to see those who 'vote' with just a vague opinion or waving some spurious policy and those who address the concrete issues by a reasoned argument accompanying their vote. Those who support the minority view are clearly ‘voting’, without any comprehensible policy rationale or response to the meat of the sourcing issue. I don’t expect this case to go one way or another. But I would challenge any disinterested reader to make sense of the extremely obscure, subjective set of arguments NMMGG alone has kept raising to sustain a pointless objection. Persistently approaching editing here in terms of some hypothesis that those who disagree with you have ulterior motives, and act as a gang, is one reason why NMMGG's recent work is problematical. He appears to have a WP:BATTLEFIELD mentality and automatically assumes this is what those who disagree with him have. I haven't examined the BDS material and can't judge the merits of the general complaint. I do think NMMGG requires, as in an earlier case, a strong reminder to keep his personal animosity and theories about conspiracy off the talk pages, and focus on source evidence strictly in terms of policy requirements.Nishidani (talk) 08:18, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

    Of course, if clarification of those 9 things /5 from 2007-8) on my collapsed indictment sheet require clarification (mostly regarding oncer IPs and sockpuppeting editors like User:Zeq since permabanned, and User:Armon, since happily no longer here, I'll do so. The other 4 from a year ago again concern a banned sockpuppeter,User:Ashtul, the known Japanese article tagteamers,User: TH1980 User:CurtisNaito, an IP (31.44.143.180) who followed me around for a day until I remonstrated, and User:Plot Spoiler's revert of my edit to a version that, as showed was garbled English and rife with errors. PS, though recently we have worked together intelligently, patently had not read the version he had reverted back to. I think NMMGG should spend time familiazing himself with the source for articles, rather than spending inordinate time ransacking contribs back 9 years for incriminating diffs. Tagteaming is recognized as a problem. That does not mean that being in a minority means automatically the 'other guys' are tagteaming. Nishidani (talk) 20:27, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

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    FreeatlastChitchat

    Blocked for a week. Consideration of a 0RR suspending during block. Imposition will depend on behaviour after return from block. Patience levels noticeably low so recommend keeping nose clean. Spartaz 22:56, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
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    Request concerning FreeatlastChitchat

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Mhhossein (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 06:30, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
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    FreeatlastChitchat (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan :
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 07:41, 25 March 2016 A user made a change.
    2. 10:49, 25 March 2016 First revert by nominated user.
    3. 16:40, 25 March 2016 Second revert by nominated user.
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
    1. 7 March 2015 Blocked for edit warring.
    2. 18 April 2015 Blocked for edit warring.
    3. 9 May 2015 Blocked for edit warring.
    4. 19 December 2015 Blocked for edit warring. He was then unblocked manually provided that he "will attempt to self-adhere to WP:1RR," what he failed to do on several occasions.
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    The nominated user is ignorant enough to know that we should revert only when necessary. Just look at his contributions to see how many reverts he does per day. That's why he is nominated in noticeboards on a weekly basis.

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    Statement by FreeatlastChitchat

    I am quite aware of AE and its enforcement therefore I undid my reverts myself when I realized I had gone past 1PR. I did this about three days before this humongously bad faith AE was filed and before anyone else edited the said article, I did not even engage in a TP argument as the person who was reverting my edits said that he meant to continue reverting me on a daily basis, therefore I just left the article in the hands of others, there are no edits on TP or the article from my account after my self revert. The nom should look at the article history before wasting my time. nom has been told at least seven times that he should stop reporting me without proof but he continues his hounding. FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 07:06, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

    (should i reply here or above?) @Spartaz where have i reverted ? I have been staying clear of Indo-pak pages only reverting obvious vandals using rollback vandal. Can you plz point out where I have reverted thrice? No one asked me to self revert, I was making sure I was not in violation of 1PR, I saw that I was and self reverted myself, I wanted to take it to TP, but then thought to just leave the article alone. On List of Islamist terrorist attacks I am reverting a sockpuppet who has been since blocked. As I said earlier, my only reverts are vandalism which everyone will call vandalism and removable material. If something can be debated about I am leaving it be. FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 11:58, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

    Statement by D4iNa4

    I can see that he has been blocked for a week, but I think that more sanctions are needed. He loves to wikihound and removed by abusing rollback just anything that he WP:DONTLIKE.

    He has massively violated his 1-rr restriction on many articles, and wasn't blocked. I would just name these few:-

    Indo-Pakistani War of 1947

    reverted to , then reverted again,, then again(and telling other user not to "disrupt")

    Indo-Pakistani War of 1971

    reverted to , then reverted again, to a copyrights violating version. After reverting to his version by going against consensus, he asked for protection.

    List of converts to Hinduism from Islam

    , then reverted again, and again. Everytime without gaining consensus to remove sourced entries.

    All the time, he is either removing the sourced content, abusing WP:ROLLBACK, and gaming the system. What's more disturbing, that he went to these articles by wikihounding my edit history. I don't see any improvement in him, despite many recent complaints on ANI. D4iNa4 (talk) 05:07, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

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    • Self revert or not, this looks like a clear 1RR vio. Who asked you to self revert and where. I'd also like an explanation for the double reverting on List of Islamist terrorist attacks before I consider whether a block is appropriate. Since Slakr blocked the other editor you were reverting against, I'd be interested in their view. Spartaz 10:08, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
      • FreeatlastChitchat you have reverted 3 different times since I left this message. Perhaps you didn't notice that your input was requested? Spartaz 11:52, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
        • Your edit summaries do not suggest that the edits were made with a view to BANEX and there is no general exemption for suspected socks. It has to be a banned user. Vandalism has to be clear too and your summaries make no mention of vandalism. Your edit summary for the self revert was "as you wish. As per request restoring content)" but now you say you did it yourself. You are too free with the revert button and that is continuing to be disruptive. I'm blocking you for a week for the violation and would like input from other admins whether a permanent 0RR is now required to reign in excessive reverting. Spartaz 12:43, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
    • User:Spartaz, I see you've issued a one week AE block under WP:ARBIPA, which seems appropriate. If you are considering a 0RR under the same arb case, I would support. (Search WP:DSLOG for examples where 0RR has been imposed). EdJohnston (talk) 04:01, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

    Conzar

    Banned from the topic of vaccination, broadly construed. EdJohnston (talk) 17:22, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
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    Request concerning Conzar

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    JzG (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 07:54, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
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    Conzar (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Pseudoscience#Discretionary Sanctions

    Pseudoscience and fringe science are considered together. The article in question ticks both boxes: it promotes pseudoscientific work (more specifically pathological science) within the fringe fields of anti-vaccine activism and alternative views on the causes of autism.

    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 08:57, March 31, 2016 removes factual basis of opposition to the film cited to reliable independent sources.
    2. 09:56, March 31, 2016 adds conspiracist characterisation of reasons for pulling the film, at odds with other reliable sources.
    3. 10:57, March 31, 2016 Reverts to whitewashed version.
    4. 22:09, March 31, 2016 Reinserts link to conspiracist explanation.
    5. 22:16, March 31, 2016 Reinserts conspiracist explanation after it was reverted.
    6. 22:47, March 31, 2016 Inserts commentary by anti-medicine conspiracy theorist Mike Adams at Natural News
    7. 22:49, March 31, 2016 Reinserts conspiracist explanation after it was reverted.
    8. 23:00, March 31, 2016 Reinserts conspiracist explanation after it was reverted.
    9. 23:03, March 31, 2016 Reinserts Mike Adams content.
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    DS alert 09:58, March 31 2016

    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    In response to a warning re WP:NPOV, Conzar states: "You are the one writing an article that is not forom a nuetural point of view. The article is clearly 1 sided and pro-vax. Its funny that you post this information about neutral editing as you are the one doing such things." (diff). Pro-vaccine is the neutral point of view, there is no significant informed dissent from the view that vaccines are one of the most important health interventions ever devised, saving millions of lives annually. The subject of the film, the purported link between the MMR vaccine and autism, is refuted (see MMR vaccine controversy).

    Conzar also states that we are "denying information from the film makers side" (diff). The film maker in this case has had his medical license revoked after conducting unapproved invasive tests on vulnerable children, and his most prominent published work has been retracted due to evidence of research fraud. He was also found to have accepted substantial payments from lawyers promoting a link between vaccines and autism, and not to have declared this conflict. Per WP:UNDUE we cover is views only in the context of what reliable independent sources say about them. The film maker has, for example, stated that the withdrawal of the film from the Tribeca film festival is a freedom of speech issue. He is English, so this profound ignorance of the First Amendment can be excused, but that doesn't oblige Misplaced Pages to repeat it.

    Overall I think Conzar should be topic banned from this article for a minimum of six months, by which time there should be a wider discussion in the media resulting in contextualised discussion of crank views like those of Mike Adams and less risk of bias from cherry-picking of sources. Guy (Help!) 07:54, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

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    Statement by Conzar

    Pseudoscience Claim The claim that "Pseudoscience and fringe science are considered together" is fallacious. The edits that I have made do not express my opinion nor promotes pseuodoscience and fringe science. My edits are only to provide an objective view of the movie which is the topic of the page.

    Diffs

    1. 08:57, March 31, 2016 Removed irrelevant information. This information is NOT about the film and is an attempt to discredit the film.
    2. 09:56, March 31, 2016 Provides an alternative reason for the film being pulled other than the main stream media's version.
    3. 10:57, March 31, 2016 Reverts to removing irrelevant information.
    4. 22:09, March 31, 2016 Reinserts an alternative reason for the film being pulled.
    5. 22:16, March 31, 2016 Reinserts an alternative explanation after it was reverted.
    6. 22:47, March 31, 2016 Inserts commentary by an outspoken consumer health advocate, award-winning investigative journalist, internet activist and science lab director Mike Adams at http://www.healthranger.com/Health-Ranger-Biography.html
    7. 22:49, March 31, 2016 Reinserts alternative reason after it was reverted.
    8. 23:00, March 31, 2016 Reinserts alternative reason after it was reverted.
    9. 23:03, March 31, 2016 Reinserts Mike Adams content.

    Neutral View The statement by Guy "Pro-vaccine is the neutral point of view" is also incorrect and illogical. Its essentially double speak. There are obviously two view points to the issue of vaccination. Those that oppose it and those that support it. A neutral point of view would take no stance on the issue of vaccination, neither opposing it nor supporting it. This is basic logic and reasoning.

    Debating Vaccination Guy believes this article is about vaccination. However, this article is about a documentary about vaccination. The content of this movie has net yet been shown and therefore, debate on the content of the topic is uninformed at best. Statements such as: "there is no significant informed dissent from the view that vaccines are one of the most important health interventions ever devised, saving millions of lives annually." are irrelevant to the topic of the wikipage.

    Refusing to allow Film Maker's comments Guy also censors the information that is allowed on the page regarding statements and comments made by the film maker. He does this in order to support his view on vaccination. Again, he shows his bias towards vaccination so much that he is unable to allow the film directors comments on a wiki page about the film he made! He justifies this by saying the film maker is 'not credible'. Censoring someone's speech in relation to their own work is a classic free speech issue and is being perpetrated on wikipedia by Guy who also is clearly English so this profound ignorance of the First Amendment cannot be excused.

    Banned Overall, I think I should not be topic banned from this article because I have NOT broken any wiki rules. I have NOT added my opinion at all to the wiki page. I have only tried to make the article unbiased.

    If anyone should be banned, I would recommend Guy to be banned. The topic of course is the film NOT vaccinations. There is a completely separate wikipage for vaccinations. Guy is trying to impose his views about vaccination on a wiki page that should only contain information about the topic which is the VAXXED movie.

    Mistakes I have made two mistakes which he calls fiction. There is a difference between factual and mistakes. I mistyped the author's name and auto-correct must have choosen national instead of natural. As the link clearly points to the natural news web site. Lets not be disingenuous here. What do you mean by, 'not a recognized organization'? Recognized by who? What authority? Why is the person not a reliable source? Please substantiate those claims.

    Competency User Capeo has accused me of being incompetent. I have a Masters of Science and a Batchelors of Science in Computer Engineering from the Clemson University, South Carolina, USA. Clemson University is ABET accredited. This means that I have met the world wide standard for being an engineer which includes taking the necessary courses in science. Now that I have shown my educational background, lets discuss the false claim. User Capeo stated that I use Natural News as an authoritative source on vaccinations. I have NOT made this claim anywhere. This is called a strawman attack. In his statement, he is unable to support this claim.

    Red Flag The idea that my edits of a wikipage can be compared to edits on the talk page are fallacious. My unfamiliarity with Misplaced Pages does NOT demonstrate my ability to research which is the claim laid by MjolnirPants. Again, I am well educated. It seemed to me that Guy's signature indicated a new user without any edits. It also seemed to me that his account had been deleted after reverting my changes. This is why I made the association of a sock puppet account. If this assessment is incorrect, than I fully accept that I am wrong and apologize.

    Conspiracy Guy often uses the term conspiracy as evidence against me. He uses the main stream media's approach of silencing criticism by associating 'conspiracy theory' with the idea of craziness or insanity. Its very disingenuous to use conspiracy theory in this contest. Conspiracies happen every day. The FBI, CIA, NSA, etc's JOB is to commit conspiracies. IE, secret organizations conspire on a daily basis. So the question is, are there conspiracies that happen outside of government organizations? Well, did big tobacco commit conspiracies when trying to deny the link to cancer? What tactics did big tobacco use? What tactics are big tobacco still employing today? Is Big Tobacco conspiring to keep their products on the shelves despite the scientific evidence of the negative health effects?

    I think I have shown why this idea of conspiracy theory and linking it to 'crazy' people is NOT a valid justification as Guy continuously uses. Guy might have bought into the mass media's interpretation of conspiracy theory. Or perhaps, he is well aware of this concept and uses it as an attacking point.

    Statement by Krelnik

    I've edited on the article a small amount, but haven't reverted anything so far. I just wanted to point out that in diffs #6 and #8 not only is the source not reliable, but the text being inserted isn't even factually correct! The editor repeatedly referred to "Mike Adam" (it's Mike Adams) and "National News Forensic Food Lab" (it's "Natural News Forensic Food Lab"). In any case, this lab is not a recognized organization and the person is not a reliable source. --Krelnik (talk) 12:50, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

    Statement by Capeo

    Anyone who uses Natural News as an authoritative source on vaccinations, or anything medical at all, does not have the competence to edit articles that have even a cursory connection to medical science. Capeo (talk) 13:55, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

    You are not supposed to write in other people's sections. You quoted an NN source that claims this "medical documentary" was subject to some kind of censorship due to it's factual content. NN is not an RS for such claims. Capeo (talk) 14:19, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

    Statement by MjolnirPants

    A big red flag I've seen is this edit, in which this user demonstrates the approach he takes towards editing. Without doing any research beyond clicking on Guy's signature, he came to the conclusion that a longstanding editor and admin of this site with a nigh-sterling reputation among those of us who prefer an objective, accurate encyclopedia is somehow just some fly-by-night sockpuppet account.

    Another red flag is this edit. I'm not going to summarize it because there's no need. Anyone who's read WP:THETRUTH already knows what it says.

    A topic ban seems perfectly reasonable to me. With enough time an experience editing areas which this user might be less ideologically invested it, they may very well be able to request a lifting of the ban and be able to edit constructively in this area. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 20:01, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

    Statement by Geogene

    This diff and this one , in particular, are strong evidence of a WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS mentality. The remarks about Misplaced Pages being influenced by Big Pharma to suppress Conzar's POV are particularly troubling. A topic ban is probably necessary. Geogene (talk) 20:45, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

    Result concerning Conzar

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    • It seems rather soon for a topic ban. Conzar made five edits 2012 — 2014, but from his return to editing 08:50, 31 March 2016 (UTC) he has been a single purpose account, editing exclusively the article Vaxxed and its talkpage, plus a few related edits on user talkpages. Altogether 61 edits in the last 36 hours, all devoted to the film Vaxxed. That's a lot. He seems unaware of the proper way of editing and discussing on Misplaced Pages, making remarks like this and this. He assumes bad faith of people who argue with him, and of the creator of the page: "The author of this page clearly is trying to discredit the movie" (this in his very first edit on the subject)… "Its my opinion that several editors are trying to frame this movie in a negative light"… "Who are you exactly? You haven't seen the movie yet you are already judging it without knowing what's inside." I can appreciate that people find his input and stubbornness on the talkpage overwhelming, especially because he has dominated the talkpage: 30 of 46 edits on it are his.
    His response above on this page shows that he doesn't understand the Misplaced Pages definition of neutral point of view ("A neutral point of view would take no stance on the issue of vaccination, neither opposing it nor supporting it. This is basic logic and reasoning."), and seems frankly uninterested when he's told about it.
    Conzar needs to realize that a topic ban will be coming his way if he continues in the same tonedeaf whirlwind way. Still, he has been doing this SPA editing less than two days. I would prefer to wait before imposing the fairly draconian restriction of a topic ban, and first see what effect narrower restrictions may have. I propose a 1RR restriction on the article page (where he has been reverting a lot) plus a limit of 7 edits per 24 hours on the talkpage. That's really plenty, for anybody who gives a bit of thought to their contribution before hitting "Save". And I strongly, strongly recommend him to click on the policies and guidelines that people direct him to, and to read them in good faith, rather than focus on telling us what he thinks they ought to say. Bishonen | talk 22:58, 1 April 2016 (UTC). (My numbers above may have been overtaken by events while I was typing this.) Bishonen | talk 23:00, 1 April 2016 (UTC).
    • Conzar seems to be a fighter for the anti-vaccination cause. This is his chance to respond and agree to follow Misplaced Pages policy in the future. From what we've heard so far, that doesn't appear likely. If they have no idea about policy, I wonder if they will be able to understand or follow a 1RR restriction. Unless there is a change of heart, I support doing a topic ban. EdJohnston (talk) 04:35, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

    ԱշոտՏՆՂ

    User blocked 3 days for 3RR violation and alerted to the ARBAA2 discretionary sanctions. EdJohnston (talk) 00:59, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
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    Request concerning ԱշոտՏՆՂ

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Parishan (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 14:53, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
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    ԱշոտՏՆՂ (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Armenia-Azerbaijan 2 :
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

    The user has been engaged in heavy edit-warring on a semi-protected page dealing with a current issue, in clear violation of WP:3RR and well as of WP:Redflag (given the controversial nature of the edit):

    7. - Note: this revert was done already after the user was warned (and acknowledged being warned) that there had been an arbitration request pending regarding his edit-warring.

    ...and resorting to incivility when asked to remain NPOV:

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    • Previously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict on Date by Username (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA).
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    Statement by ԱշոտՏՆՂ

    Hi, sorry for the violation of WP:3RR . Per WP:NPOV I have added the claims of Armenian side based on reliable sources. It was not written like that it is a absolute truth, it is what the Armenian side claims.--ԱշոտՏՆՂ (talk) 15:07, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

    WP:Redflag stipulates that "surprising claims not covered by multiple mainstream sources" and "challenged claims that are supported purely by primary or self-published sources or those with an apparent conflict of interest" must be additionally verified. In addition, your wording of this information was extremely POV. Parishan (talk) 15:16, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
    Parishan, this is not a surprising claim or challenged claims . It is what Armenian side claims, as I have written it is according to Armenian side. There are many of this type of claims in this article.--ԱշոտՏՆՂ (talk) 15:21, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
    There is a difference between reporting on warfare and reporting on a crime against humanity. Especially in the presence of sources which may lead us to believe otherwise. Parishan (talk) 15:25, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
    Guys, why can't we write the official views of the Republic of Armenia? If there are Azerbaijani reliable sources that reject this claim, please put them in the article to make English Misplaced Pages more neutral․ Unfortunately I do not know Azerbaijani language and can't do it by myself.--ԱշոտՏՆՂ (talk) 15:45, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
    The Azerbaijani troll Parishan tries to delete the war crimes of the Azeri side. In the internet you can watch every day new videos of Azeris behading Armenians and glorifying genocide against them. You can clearly see the war crimes in the photo set published by reliable sources. If the Azerbaijani side would not denying their nasty crimes, we would not discuss this here. I request the banning of user:Parishan because of this troll acting. --2A02:8108:1900:170:9404:9AD5:9878:6364 (talk) 16:29, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
    Edit: The photos of the war crimes commited by the Azeri side documented by a Hetq Online journalist. A reliable source.

    EdJohnston, yes, I have to blocked per 3RR, but what about the natural point of this article? I only added the official point of Armenia. ԱշոտՏՆՂ (talk) 19:08, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

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