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As part of the dispute resolution process, which requires editors to make efforts to resolve disputes, I asked you to take a few days away from posting to policy pages, and I'm writing this to make the same request again; or at least to reduce the frequency of your posts and tone down the intensity of them. If you feel that's unreasonable, do you have any suggestion as to how the situation can best be dealt with? The aim is to get the talk pages back up and running, as it were, with lots of editors discussing different issues, and no single issue or editor holding sway. It may surprise you to learn that you've become the third most frequent poster overall to the NOR talk page, even though you only started posting there on March 17 this year. ] <sup><font color="Purple">]</font></sup> 02:53, 27 August 2006 (UTC) | As part of the dispute resolution process, which requires editors to make efforts to resolve disputes, I asked you to take a few days away from posting to policy pages, and I'm writing this to make the same request again; or at least to reduce the frequency of your posts and tone down the intensity of them. If you feel that's unreasonable, do you have any suggestion as to how the situation can best be dealt with? The aim is to get the talk pages back up and running, as it were, with lots of editors discussing different issues, and no single issue or editor holding sway. It may surprise you to learn that you've become the third most frequent poster overall to the NOR talk page, even though you only started posting there on March 17 this year. ] <sup><font color="Purple">]</font></sup> 02:53, 27 August 2006 (UTC) | ||
:'''Do not keep trolling that talk page.''' Keep your personal opinions and sarcastic comments away from it. Keep posts made to your talk page away from it. You are now sailing very close to the wind. I have moved your recent post here. '''It is about you, not about NOR.''' Please show some courtesy toward your fellow editors. ] <sup><font color="Purple">]</font></sup> 04:01, 27 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
Dear SV, here is the situation as I see it. | |||
# I thought that we ''were'' engaged in a dispute resolution process. | |||
# I was participating in that discussion for the purpose of resolving the issues at hand. | |||
# Your judgment about single-to-noise ratio is your opinion, and strikes me as biased by the usual effects of regarding opinions that diverge from your own to be "noise". | |||
# Your judgment of the discussion as being "pointless" seems to be biased in a similar manner by your own interests and POV. | |||
# Much of the material that I was discussing with the other editors was posted in response to your own explicit and repeated requests to provide concrete examples, for instance: "For the third time, would anyone who objects please give a concrete example of an edit that would have been allowed before Slrubenstein's edit, but which would not have been allowed after it? SlimVirgin (talk) 22:17, 23 August 2006 (UTC)". | |||
# This is the first time you have mentioned your interest in an external dispute resolution process. | |||
# For one of the participants in a debate to ask other participants to cease participation is inappropriate. | |||
# Many of your above statements seem factually incorrect to me, most especially your assertion that "most if not all of the main editors agree on the current version". | |||
# I do not appreciate people who resort to high-handed tactics of intimidation and manipulation of the media of communication when they see that they are beginning to lose the rational argument. | |||
# There is no need to argue with people who resort to the these kinds of tactics, as argument proper has come to an end. They have already conceded defeat by resorting to brute force. | |||
# I suggest that a good way for productive discussion to begin again is for you to cease making statemants that you cannot provide any evidence for, and for you to accept defeat gracefully when superior argument and evidence have prevailed. | |||
# This is not a personal matter, and does not belong on my talk page, but properly belongs to the community concern and the dispute resolution process already in progress, so I will relocate it to the appropriate forum. I consider your action to make a personal matter to be extremely ill-advised. Please return to the customary practices of reasoned discussion in matters of common import. Thanks in advance, ] 03:52, 27 August 2006 (UTC) |
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τα δε μοι παθήματα μαθήματα γέγονε.
My sufferings have been my lessons.
Herodotus, in Liddell & Scott.
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Nota Bene. Jon Awbrey is phasing out his full-time participation in Misplaced Pages during the month of July 2006. He may check in from time to time on selected articles, but will not be able to keep current with the lion's share of his former activities, nor delve into the minutia of Wikipediatrics. |
Nota Bene. Please place new messages at the bottom () of this page, and please do not be offended if messages go unanswered for long periods of time, or if old messages, answered or otherwise, are periodically deleted from this record. |
Many regards, Jon Awbrey 03:00, 6 July 2006 (UTC) |
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- Awbrey, S.M., and Awbrey, J.L. (May 2001), "Conceptual Barriers to Creating Integrative Universities", Organization: The Interdisciplinary Journal of Organization, Theory, and Society 8(2), Sage Publications, London, UK, pp. 269–284. Abstract.
- Awbrey, S.M., and Awbrey, J.L. (September 18, 1999), "Organizations of Learning or Learning Organizations: The Challenge of Creating Integrative Universities for the Next Century", Second International Conference of the Journal Organization , Re-Organizing Knowledge, Trans-Forming Institutions: Knowing, Knowledge, and the University in the 21st Century, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA. Eprint.
- Awbrey, J.L., and Awbrey, S.M. (Autumn 1995), "Interpretation as Action: The Risk of Inquiry", Inquiry: Critical Thinking Across the Disciplines 15(1), pp. 40–52. Eprint.
- Awbrey, J.L., and Awbrey, S.M. (June 1992), "Interpretation as Action: The Risk of Inquiry", The Eleventh International Human Science Research Conference, Oakland University, Rochester, Michigan.
- Awbrey, S.M., and Awbrey, J.L. (May 1991), "An Architecture for Inquiry: Building Computer Platforms for Discovery", Proceedings of the Eighth International Conference on Technology and Education, Toronto, Canada, pp. 874–875.
- Awbrey, J.L., and Awbrey, S.M. (January 1991), "Exploring Research Data Interactively: Developing a Computer Architecture for Inquiry", Poster presented at the Annual Sigma Xi Research Forum, University of Texas Medical Branch, Galveston, TX.
- Awbrey, J.L., and Awbrey, S.M. (August 1990), "Exploring Research Data Interactively; Theme One: A Program of Inquiry", Proceedings of the Sixth Annual Conference on Applications of Artificial Intelligence and CD-ROM in Education and Training, Society for Applied Learning Technology, Washington, DC, pp. 9–15.
Education
- 1993–2003. Graduate Study, Systems Engineering, Oakland University.
- 1989. M.A., Psychology, Michigan State University.
- 1980. M.A., Mathematics, Michgan State University.
- 1976. B.A., Mathematical and Philosophical Method,
Justin Morrill College, Michgan State University.
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Jon, I have to caution you that there's a likelihood the dispute resolution process will be started against you if the frequent posts to policy and guideline talk pages continue. There comes a point that the signal-to-noise ratio is such that people switch off and the pages become practically unusable for other editors. The recent situation on NOR led to page protection and a very long and pointless discussion (involving 446 edits in just one week) that, it transpires, was about nothing at all, because most if not all of the main editors agree on the current version.
As part of the dispute resolution process, which requires editors to make efforts to resolve disputes, I asked you to take a few days away from posting to policy pages, and I'm writing this to make the same request again; or at least to reduce the frequency of your posts and tone down the intensity of them. If you feel that's unreasonable, do you have any suggestion as to how the situation can best be dealt with? The aim is to get the talk pages back up and running, as it were, with lots of editors discussing different issues, and no single issue or editor holding sway. It may surprise you to learn that you've become the third most frequent poster overall to the NOR talk page, even though you only started posting there on March 17 this year. SlimVirgin 02:53, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
- Do not keep trolling that talk page. Keep your personal opinions and sarcastic comments away from it. Keep posts made to your talk page away from it. You are now sailing very close to the wind. I have moved your recent post here. It is about you, not about NOR. Please show some courtesy toward your fellow editors. SlimVirgin 04:01, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Dear SV, here is the situation as I see it.
- I thought that we were engaged in a dispute resolution process.
- I was participating in that discussion for the purpose of resolving the issues at hand.
- Your judgment about single-to-noise ratio is your opinion, and strikes me as biased by the usual effects of regarding opinions that diverge from your own to be "noise".
- Your judgment of the discussion as being "pointless" seems to be biased in a similar manner by your own interests and POV.
- Much of the material that I was discussing with the other editors was posted in response to your own explicit and repeated requests to provide concrete examples, for instance: "For the third time, would anyone who objects please give a concrete example of an edit that would have been allowed before Slrubenstein's edit, but which would not have been allowed after it? SlimVirgin (talk) 22:17, 23 August 2006 (UTC)".
- This is the first time you have mentioned your interest in an external dispute resolution process.
- For one of the participants in a debate to ask other participants to cease participation is inappropriate.
- Many of your above statements seem factually incorrect to me, most especially your assertion that "most if not all of the main editors agree on the current version".
- I do not appreciate people who resort to high-handed tactics of intimidation and manipulation of the media of communication when they see that they are beginning to lose the rational argument.
- There is no need to argue with people who resort to the these kinds of tactics, as argument proper has come to an end. They have already conceded defeat by resorting to brute force.
- I suggest that a good way for productive discussion to begin again is for you to cease making statemants that you cannot provide any evidence for, and for you to accept defeat gracefully when superior argument and evidence have prevailed.
- This is not a personal matter, and does not belong on my talk page, but properly belongs to the community concern and the dispute resolution process already in progress, so I will relocate it to the appropriate forum. I consider your action to make a personal matter to be extremely ill-advised. Please return to the customary practices of reasoned discussion in matters of common import. Thanks in advance, Jon Awbrey 03:52, 27 August 2006 (UTC)