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Pactum Warmundi

Hey Deucalionite, I thought you might like to know that I've expanded your Pactum Warmundi article. Thanks for creating it, I probably would have never gotten around to it myself! Adam Bishop 05:09, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Categorization

Please check WP:CAT and stop adding higher categories to articles. They look slovenly and will be deleted sooner or later. For example, Treaty of Andrusovo belongs to Category:Russian peace treaties, which is part of Category:Treaties by country, which is part of Category:Treaties. Take care, --Ghirla 16:44, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Redirects

On 28-July, you created a "soft" redirect from Treaty of Canak to Treaty of the Dardanelles. You should do a real redirect in cases like this. The instructions for how are at Misplaced Pages:Redirect. Same with Franco-Turkish Agreement of Ankara and Franklin-Bouillon Agreement. I've fixed these, but if you need help in the future, let me know. Thanks! -- JLaTondre 18:14, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

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Arvanites

As you say yourself, three solid editors -- Aldux, Telex, and Future Perfect -- find your edits problematic, and you have been unable to convince them in Talk. This means you are editing against consensus. (That is the process argument.) I have looked over their comments, and find their arguments reasonable. I have looked over your edits, and found that most of them push a particular POV and use sources inappropriately. Your argumentation in Talk is weak and tendentious. If you "don't want to edit war", then don't. First convince other editors in Talk. --Macrakis 19:59, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Tendentious is the key word. You will not convince the three others as long as you start with axioms rather than with evidence. Stop wasting everyone's time, please. --Macrakis 20:32, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

User notice: temporary 3RR block

Regarding reversions made on August 17 2006 (UTC) to Arvanites

You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future.

Plagiarism problem

Seems you owe somebody an apology: I'm sorry I didn't spot that one myself earlier. Please take this seriously. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:58, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Hate to break it to you, but you are not the "apology police". Besides, the link you provided doesn't show what I said or to whom I offended for you to demand that I provide an apology. I think your nitpicking has gone a bit too far. You'll pretty much do anything to either get rid of me or to make me submit to your will. I think I'll report you the next time this sort of thing happens.

You will never convince anyone (or at least me) to apologize if you nitpick or impose your "policeman" attitude on others. I'll apologize if there is reason to and if I am prepared to do so. Besides, it's not as if you said "please apologize" or "I would appreciate your cooperation" ("please take this seriously" doesn't cut it in my book). Other than that, mind your own business and worry about your own behavior. Don't keep in touch. Deucalionite 15:02, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Is it that difficult to understand what that link means? You had committed yet another piece of plagiarism, back on Bartolomeo Minio, and now the author you plagiarised found you out and is seriously pissed off at Misplaced Pages ("distressed", she says). And rightly so. You are bringing Misplaced Pages in serious disrepute, that's the point. Which means next time I find you doing that sort of thing I'll ask for you to be blocked real long. You can quicken up the process by "reporting" me right now, to make admins aware of the situation here. By the way, you might also want to consider beginning to give sources for your "treaty" series. Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:31, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it is difficult to understand the link because you are presenting my mistakes in an indirect way Future Perfect. Just say what I did and spare me the rhetorical nonsense (plus the title of your post wasn't very convincing). If the author has a problem with the article, then she should just ask nicely for changes to be made. Question, why did Wright not log in and ask of me directly to make changes on the Bartolomeo Minio article? I would have been tremendously honored to work with any notable author and take his/her suggestions into consideration.

I am bringing Misplaced Pages to serious disrepute? If that were the case, then I should get the "Chaos Barnstar". However, I prefer to create and not destroy (unless I have to). So, if plagiarism is the whole problem, then a simple solution is to place citations (which I could easily put into the article since I remember the pages where some of the information came from).

However, it would be much more interesting to work with a notable author like Wright rather than place the citations myself. Yet, I doubt I would be granted such an opportunity since you are a "ban aficionado" Future Perfect and have no other major talents except that.

If Wright doesn't want her work on Misplaced Pages, then that's fine. I can respect that. Any sort of whining, complaining, demanding, etc. only makes me not want to apologize. Personally, I do want to apologize since I loathe plagiarism. However, as a creator I cannot overcome the constant feeling I have to spread knowledge to people who depend on the Internet to get their information (or at least those who cannot afford to go to the library). "Free the Knowledge of the World", but soon you realize that that is false advertising.

Again, if Wright is really "distressed" (a case of both cognitive and emotional dissonance), then I will do anything necessary to take her feelings into account. Though I'd much prefer someone else other than you Future Perfect to help out this situation (since you lack a basic socio-psychological mindset).

Read this carefully. I will cooperate to help solve this problem and will apologize to Wright and follow her every suggestion only if another editor other than Future Perfect is used as Wright's proxy. I would prefer an editor who I have never met before with a socio-psychological mindset. If a proxy is not to be used and Wright herself asks of me to make the changes, then I will not hesitate to cooperate. Simple social politics and those are my terms. Love them, hate them, I don't care. Let's just get this over with. However, tomorrow would be a good time since I won't be available today. Over and out. Deucalionite 16:28, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Reported at WP:ANI: . Fut.Perf. ☼ 16:54, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Future Perfect, don't worry about the treaty articles. After I fulfill my purpose as a catalyst researcher, I will then engage the articles as a standard researcher. I really hope so since this is a phase thing you know. I need to fulfill certain protocols and honor-utility quotas (and dishonor-utility quotas in order to fulfill certain criteria for a sociological experiment). If I do not fulfill them, then I will revert to an experimental researcher in order to solve any potential obstacles. Got it? Now, go bother someone else. Deucalionite 17:04, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

WP is a collaborative effort. We are all responsible for its quality. Plagiarism is not acceptable, and FP is absolutely right to be vigilant about it. No author should have to "ask" for plagiarised content to be removed, and long chunks of text shouldn't be copied bodily, even if the source is attributed.

As for your latest comment (17:04), it is completely opaque. What are these "protocols"? What are these "quotas"? Do they excuse (in your mind) not following Misplaced Pages rules about quality and plagiarism? --Macrakis 17:32, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Collaboration has many faces Macrakis and the sooner you acknowledge this facet of social reality, the better. The concept of responsibility technically is diffused along various lines so I recommend not making too many generalizations about its nature. Responsibility is both an individual and group decision and functions in conventional and unconventional ways. It would take a bit of time to explain these things though.

As for my protocols and quotas, they are not excuses in following Misplaced Pages rules. I had these things way before I even became a part of the Misplaced Pages "community". As for excuses, I know the dynamics of creating, destroying, indicating, re-establishing and justifying excuses. I know, who cares. However, just because you don't know about the protocols and honor-utility quotas, doesn't mean you can give weight to your own assumptions about them being excuses. Remember, ask smart not often. If you want me to explain them to you, then I have no problem doing so.

Look, I have to go. If you want to continue this interesting conversation, just ring the doorbell in the front. Deucalionite 18:23, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Final warning on plagiarism

If there are any more plagiarism problems or potential problems that you are aware of let us know now. This is unacceptable behavior and if any more such examples show up I will be giving you a very long block. JoshuaZ 17:50, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

You, and a lot of other people, need a crash course in social politics. No, really. Threatening to give me a "very long block" does not provide an incentive for me to really take your statements into consideration. In fact, it only galvanizes my "unacceptable behavior." If you require my services, then simply ask without the semi-Ramboesque threats. Deucalionite 18:41, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Just so you know JoshuaZ, I don't have a problem notifying you or anyone if I see any problems with plagiarism. However, I am currently a catalyst researcher and need to outgrow the phase. However, I will make an effort to help nonetheless. Next time, don't foolishly galvanize any facet of my behavior unless you know for sure what you are doing. Deucalionite 18:44, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

To be blunt I don't know what you mean by a "catalyst researcher" and it is irrelevant. Plagiarism is never acceptable. JoshuaZ 18:47, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

If you don't know about something, then ask. Don't just throw what you don't know out the window. Ask and ask smart. Simple.

The term "catalyst researcher" means "someone whose actions/contributions influence others to conduct research pertaining to any given topic." That is what I am for the time being. It is a phase that compels me to create constantly. Don't ask how I became a catalyst researcher because it is something that just happened without warning. I just hope it doesn't metastasize into a permanent attribute of my character.

What I was saying was that as a catalyst researcher I would not be able to consistently notify anyone about problems with plagiarism. As for the term "catalyst researcher", it is not irrelevant. Because you deemed the term "irrelevant", you then established a false assumption whereby I ideologically, emotionally, cognitively, and behaviorally acknowledge plagiarism as an acceptable practice. I may have plagiarized, but that doesn't mean I accept the practice (it leaves a bad aftertaste in your mouth). I am just conducting sociological experiments while doing something interesting that allows me to better understand the limits of the inhibition effect of the Internet.

If you want to continue this conversation, you know where to find me. Deucalionite 19:07, 13 September 2006 (UTC)