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| == Scottish Lowlands == | |||
| Can you stop changing references of ] to ] and revert those you have already done? These are not ] edits and they are not an improvement. ] is not and admin unit and would not appear in a given address. ] (]) 12:44, 29 November 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :I see you are making similar changes regarding ] and ]. This is similarly unhelpful, ] (]) 13:34, 29 November 2016 (UTC) | |||
| The different definitions of Highland and Lowland Scotland is widely used in Scotland. So if these terms are not listed, used by Misplaced Pages, they should be added. (] (]) 12:52, 29 November 2016 (UTC)) | |||
| :No they are not in reference to addresses. Stop and revert. ] (]) 12:55, 29 November 2016 (UTC) | |||
| --] (]) 13:04, 29 November 2016 (UTC) | |||
| '''Totally Disagree!!''' | |||
| --] (]) 13:04, 29 November 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Highland Scotland is used as a postal area.. AS I said before these terms need adding as a Admin Unit. (] (]) 12:57, 29 November 2016 (UTC)) | |||
| It is already listed in the " Scottish Highlands" Article. | |||
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| Although most of the Highlands is geographically on the British mainland, it is somewhat less accessible than the rest of Britain; thus most UK couriers categorise it separately, alongside Northern Ireland, the Isle of Man, and other offshore islands. They thus charge additional fees for delivery to the Highlands, or exclude the area entirely. Whilst the physical remoteness from the largest population centres inevitably leads to higher transit cost, there is confusion and consternation over the scale of the fees charged and the effectiveness of their communication, and the use of the word Mainland in their justification. Since the charges are often based on postcode areas, many far less remote areas, including some which are traditionally considered part of the lowlands, are also subject to these charges. Royal Mail is the only delivery network bound by a Universal Service Obligation to charge a uniform tariff across the UK. This, however, applies only to mail items and not larger packages which are dealt with by its Parcelforce division. | |||
| (] (]) 13:02, 29 November 2016 (UTC)) | |||
| :I have no idea what relevance this has to anything. Will you stop? You are clearly well meaning and enthusiastic but having had a look at your edits in general they are often problematic, lacking in notability or plain wrong and almost none of them are minor. Please take heed. I don't want to hurt your feelings but your edits, in the prolific quantity that they are, are potentially sufficiently damaging that I feel compelled to notify ]. ] (]) 13:28, 29 November 2016 (UTC) | |||
| You carry on mate! | |||
| No wonder Misplaced Pages is plainly wrong in many instances. Publicising wrong information. | |||
| (] (]) 13:32, 29 November 2016 (UTC)) | |||
| Misplaced Pages is source of information. If something as basic as Highland and Lowland Scotland is not referenced by Misplaced Pages. Then Misplaced Pages is not worth the storage it uses in the cloud. (] (]) 14:32, 29 November 2016 (UTC)) | |||
| :No, it's superfluous in a "...Great Britain, UK, Europe, Eurasia, The World, The Solar System, Milky Way, Universe" fashion, and erases the more relevant noting of being in Scotland. ] (]) 14:51, 29 November 2016 (UTC) | |||
| That is your OPINION, Not factual! (] (]) 14:55, 29 November 2016 (UTC)) | |||
| :I've been asked to have a look at this debate. The problem I have with is that I wouldn't personally consider Argyllshire to be in the Highlands; for me it's kind of near the ], while the Highlands are everything north and west of the Great Glen. However, having something like ] is reasonable to describe as being in the Scottish Lowlands, ''if'' everyone else agrees. However, since it's clear that nobody is agreeing here, we have to get a ] on what to do, which means somebody's not going to get their preferred version. In general terms, I prefer the version that nobody is going to argue over, however even counties can be contentious (is ] in "Highland", "Ross-shire" or "Ross and Cromatry"?), so we just have to toss the metaphorical coin and see which way it ends up facing, which means somebody is going to lose. After all, was there not a ] not long ago where over 1.5 million people didn't get the result they wanted? ] ] ] 16:09, 29 November 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::That the pigeonholing of individual places in one or other category is often going to be contentious is by the by - my issue is with the desirability of this pigeonholing in the first place, particularly with the additional aspect of a highly pertinent classification being removed in the process, essentially per Ghmyrtle below. ] (]) 16:32, 29 November 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::What is most important is that the ''country'' where the feature is located - that is, Scotland - is named in the opening sentence. Remember, we have an international readership. We need accuracy, clarity and simplicity in the opening description, and that cannot be achieved if we give precedence to arbitrary and ill-defined subnational areas like "Highlands" and "Lowlands". ] (]) 16:20, 29 November 2016 (UTC) | |||
| If you and the consensus is that Argyllshire is NOT in the Scottish Highlands, you just prove my point. Argyllshire is definitely in the Highlands. | |||
| If this is the standard of Misplaced Pages, then there is no hope of Misplaced Pages being accurate. (] (]) 18:08, 29 November 2016 (UTC)) | |||
| :Per above, where Argyllshire, etc., is is not the point being made. ] (]) 18:21, 29 November 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Why is Ritchie333, bringing the Scottish referendum into this? (] (]) 18:15, 29 November 2016 (UTC)) | |||
| There is absolutely no point of editing Misplaced Pages if this is the standard of revision! (] (]) 18:12, 29 November 2016 (UTC)) | |||
| As I understand it Scotland decided to stay in the UK, so going by your logic (Ghmyrtle) the country should be United Kingdom... as Scotland is a Region of the United Kingdom! | |||
| (] (]) 18:31, 29 November 2016 (UTC)) | |||
| ::Scotland is a country. Although ] apply to settlements, the basic principles of how to write articles cover many geographical features as well. ] (]) 21:05, 29 November 2016 (UTC) | |||
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| :::That is a fudge, the bending of rules to suite. Scotland is a region of the United Kingdom and has been since the Union of 1st May 1707. Why should the UK be listed differently than the United States of America? (] (]) 09:18, 30 November 2016 (UTC)) | |||
| ::::Because ], and the USA is just one. Among the other points you could learn here is how to ] better. ] (]) 09:32, 30 November 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::::That is a misconception that has been perpetuated for a long time. That is why the SNP thinks it is a member of the EU, when in fact it has never joined, the UK is the member of the EU. Hence a whole lot of confusion and mayhem. (] (]) 09:46, 30 November 2016 (UTC)) | |||
| ::::::A misconception that Misplaced Pages is itself perpetuating. (] (]) 15:25, 30 November 2016 (UTC)) | |||
| Well I picked the referendum because it's a very well known example of people not getting what they wanted and managing it! I'm going to duck out of this conversation now and advise you to read ] point 47, and to ask you to check our policy on ] before running through any more geography articles. ] ] ] | |||
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| ::re Edit-warring, I am not warring unlike some posting on this page! (] (]) 15:14, 30 November 2016 (UTC)) | |||
| In my view Scottish Highlands and Scottish Lowlands still reference Scotland, these areas have a long differing history and are well known in Scotland, so why dumb down the Article? If international users are looking at the Scotland Article, presumably they are looking for information on Scotland, this is information on Scotland. These two sub-divisions of Scotland are both still Scotland. | |||
| (] (]) 19:47, 29 November 2016 (UTC)) | |||
| : I don't think Scottish Highlands and Scottish Lowlands are that well understood. There are variety of different definitions for Highlands, so for many places it is debatable whether they are in the Highlands or not. Parts of Argyll are clearly in the highlands, other parts may not be. Also the Highlands cover a vast area, its usually helpful to a bit more specific. eg say "east highlands" or "north-west highlands" instead of just "Scottish Highlands". And it is about readability - you claim to be improving this, but many of your edits have made readability worse. "Scottish Highlands" is an ugly phrase, often better to say "Highlands of Scotland". --] (]) 13:41, 30 November 2016 (UTC) | |||
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| ==Cowal topics December 2016== | |||
| Hi. Today I have been trying to correct some mass-changes that you are making to articles relating to the Cowal Peninsula. I have left edit summaries to explain what theses problems are. You are now making a mass reinstatement of these problems. You need to slow down and try and understand the problems that other editors are noticing here. ] (]) 10:41, 10 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :Why should adding the Categories "Cowal" and "Firth of Clyde" cause display problems?(] (]) 10:59, 10 December 2016 (UTC)) | |||
| ::Did you even preview any of your edits? The articles that I had needed to fix were where you also made other changes in the main body of text that stopped image files being displayed. "Villages of Cowal" is a subcategory of "Cowal", so the parent category shouldn't be added. ] (]) 11:05, 10 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
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| Hi again. I notice that on a few occasions you have made changes and cited references that are not what[REDACTED] regards as reliable. The SecretScotland is a site which consists of content generated by users of that site which may not have been checked. Misplaced Pages has pages to help you ]. ] (]) 16:57, 16 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :Tail of the Bank is in The Firth of Clyde, Not the river Clyde. The newspaper article that was cited only refers to "Clyde", which is hardly precise. (] (]) 17:02, 16 December 2016 (UTC)) | |||
| ::Please stop removing this reliable source- it provides contemporaneous coverage of the sinking of the vessel reported in a newspaper. The lack of precision in the newspaper article in respect of the change to categorisation that you are trying to make is not sufficient reason for you to remove it and replace it with an unreliable source. Again, please have a look at the link to reliable sources that I have provided you with. ] (]) 17:10, 16 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
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| ok, so here we are again. I'm leaving you messages because you are reverting my edits where I'm trying to fix changes that you have made that I believe are problematic. You have made various changes to categories today, which you have not adequately explained in your edit summaries, but which don't fit well with how articles are categorised on wikipedia. I have previously tried to explain my concerns to you about parent categories. Other editors have also tried to explain to you about how "Highlands and Islands" is not an administrative category. You should be aware that this is a loosely-applied term and therefore there is little by way of rationale for it to be widely-applied to articles. Also, you should be aware that reverting edits made by other editors without using an edit summary is usually a pattern that is reserved for vandalism. ] (]) 16:34, 17 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :''(Edit conflict - I'd just been writing this prior to the post below)'' Please take heed of this, and other, advice. We know that your edits are in good faith and you are being very industrious but you are inexperienced, are still learning and a significant minority of your edits are problematic. You are being offered help and advice from other editors but you are not apparently heeding it. Please don't take this as personal criticism and do take advantage of the assistance you are being given. If you persist in just reverting the edits of other editors, it is asking a lot of hard work from the community to pick out your problematic edits from your good ones. It may become necessary to revert entire series of your edits if it is too difficult to extract the wheat from the chaff and it would be a shame for the good stuff to be lost. Best wishes ] (]) 17:25, 17 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::The problem I have with this is, just REMOVING problems rather than fixing them while retaining the information/change is totally unhelpful and smacks of arrogance. Just reverting changes without considering the intent of the change is not a welcoming approach. (] (]) 17:33, 17 December 2016 (UTC)) | |||
| ::::Correct me if I'm wrong, but there is no obligation to edit. This is publicly sourced and edited. An "editor" just removing submissions however misguided and not correcting and retaining the intent of the submission is just arrogance! (] (]) 18:27, 17 December 2016 (UTC)) | |||
| ] There is currently a discussion at ] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. <!--Template:ANI-notice--> Thank you. ] (]) 17:00, 17 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :It was not me who posted this to Admin. It was someone who claims to be an editor, but continually just removes/deletes anything they don't agree with. Rather than editing, ie correcting or adding to a submission to make it better. (] (]) 22:07, 17 December 2016 (UTC)) | |||
| ::This message was posted to your talk page to allow you to participate in discussion. I see you are posting the same responses there and here. Unfortunately your responses suggest that you still don't adequately understand or appreciate the issues here. I am one editor who has reverted some of your edits, but only where I can see that they are causing problems. This has generally been around verifiability or where the edits do not fit with categorisation conventions. Do you recognise that some of your edits have not been compliant with Misplaced Pages's policies? ] (]) 22:25, 17 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :::Did you see this post?{{quote|Misplaced Pages is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. It is therefore to be expected that editors will have different experience and views on such matters. The issue of categories seems quite a minor and/or debatable matter. Categories are far from perfect and the FAQ says "Category policies are still being refined by experimentation, discussion, and polls. Categorizations and systems are likely to be discussed and improved upon for a very long time." Editors should therefore be relaxed about such differences of opinion and seek to resolve them by local discussion and consensus rather than escalating to ANI.|]}} | |||
| ::::You don't discuss. You just delete. (] (]) 22:35, 17 December 2016 (UTC)) | |||
| :::::You shouldn't add material to your talk page in a way that suggests that other editors have put it there, such as copying the contribution that {{u|Andrew Davidson}} made to ]. I'll try discussing this with you again- do you recognise that some of your edits have not been compliant with Misplaced Pages's policies? ] (]) 22:45, 17 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::* It's no big deal and I have amended the quotation of my words using a {{tl|quote}} template. I expect that Springchickensoup will get the hang of such niceties in due course. They have only been editing for a few days and so some teething trouble is to be expected. I shall help out where I can but am working through some other tasks on my to-do list first. More anon. ] (]) 23:10, 17 December 2016 (UTC) | |||
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User talk pages are not normally deleted. I've removed your request. You may blank almost anything on your talk page if you wish. There are some exceptions but I didn't notice anything here that you are not allowed to blank. Meters (talk) 22:38, 18 December 2016 (UTC)