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Your name has popped up here: Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Persistent attempts at censorship, tag-teaming reverts, on page for 2014 Crimean Referendum by User:Volunteer Marek Knowledgekid87 (talk) 20:30, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Your collaboration on "fake news websites"

You say there are stronger sources in the "original version" than in "my version" here:

For reference: my version

Writers in The Intercept, Fortune, and Rolling Stone criticized The Washington Post for including a report by an organization with no reputation for fact-checking (PropOrNot) in an article on "fake news".. The Intercept journalists Glenn Greenwald and Ben Norton were particularly critical of the inclusion of Naked Capitalism on the list of "useful idiots" for Russian propagandists, arguing that the Washington Post article was akin to McCarthyist black-listing. The Intercept called the reporting by The Washington Post "shoddy", and Fortune magazine called the evidence "flimsy". Writing for Rolling Stone, Matt Taibbi described the report as "astonishingly lazy" and questioned the methodology used by PropOrNot and the lack of information about who was behind the organization.The Washington Post article was criticized in an opinion piece in the paper itself, written by Katrina vanden Heuvel. She wrote that the websites listed by PropOrNot: "include RT and Sputnik News, which are funded by the Russian government, but also independent sites such as Naked Capitalism, Truthout and the right-wing Drudge Report."

References

1. ^ Ben Norton; Glenn Greenwald (26 November 2016), "Washington Post Disgracefully Promotes a McCarthyite Blacklist From a New, Hidden, and Very Shady Group", The Intercept, retrieved 27 November 2016
2. ^ Ingram, Matthew (25 November 2016), "No, Russian Agents Are Not Behind Every Piece of Fake News You See", Fortune magazine, retrieved 27 November 2016
3. ^ Taibbi, Matt (28 November 2016). "The 'Washington Post' 'Blacklist' Story Is Shameful and Disgusting". Rolling Stone.
4. ^ vanden Heuvel, Katrina (29 November 2016), "Putin didn't undermine the election. We did.", The Washington Post, retrieved 1 December 2016

The version you prefer:

The Washington Post and PropOrNot received criticism from The Intercept, Fortune, and Rolling Stone. Matthew Ingram of Fortune magazine felt that PropOrNot cast too wide a net in identifying fake news websites. The Intercept journalists Glenn Greenwald and Ben Norton were highly critical that the organization included Naked Capitalism on its list. The Intercept called the reporting by The Washington Post as "shoddy", and Fortune magazine called the evidence "flimsy". Writing for Rolling Stone, Matt Taibbi described the report as "astonishingly lazy" and questioned the methodology used by PropOrNot and the lack of information about who was behind the organization. The Washington Post article was criticized in an opinion piece in the paper itself, written by Katrina vanden Heuvel. She wrote that the websites listed by PropOrNot: "include RT and Sputnik News, which are funded by the Russian government, but also independent sites such as Naked Capitalism, Truthout and the right-wing Drudge Report."

References

1. ^ Ben Norton; Glenn Greenwald (26 November 2016), "Washington Post Disgracefully Promotes a McCarthyite Blacklist From a New, Hidden, and Very Shady Group", The Intercept, retrieved 27 November 2016
2. ^ Ingram, Matthew (25 November 2016), "No, Russian Agents Are Not Behind Every Piece of Fake News You See", Fortune magazine, retrieved 27 November 2016
3. ^ Taibbi, Matt (28 November 2016), "The 'Washington Post' 'Blacklist' Story Is Shameful and Disgusting", Rolling Stone, retrieved 30 November 2016
4. ^ vanden Heuvel, Katrina (29 November 2016), "Putin didn't undermine the election. We did.", The Washington Post, retrieved 1 December 2016

As anyone can see the references are identical. Feel free to revert or to give your real reasons for reverting.

Interesting to find you and Neutrality and Snooganssnoogans all working with this new and suprisingly knowledgeable SPA "Sagecandor", I wonder what is up with that... SashiRolls (talk) 19:15, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Also please note I have not yet corrected all the formatting errors in the text, but the disruptive edit warring by Sagecandor and yourself will make me have to wait until later to do so. SashiRolls (talk) 19:39, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Of those four sources the Intercept is the weakest one and it is the one given the most prominence in your version. Hence weaker sourcing. Sorry I wasn't more explicit about that. That is the "real reasons".

I have no idea who Sagecandor is and I don't think I've ever interacted with them. If you got some accusations to make, them make them and provide diffs, rather than insinuating whatever it is you're insinuating.Volunteer Marek (talk) 21:58, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Trumpism

VM, please do not change the thrust and direction of the Trumpism article while it is under AfD discussion. I think we should restore the version that LavaBaron created, so that we can discuss a stable version. Not have to keep changing our opinions every time massive changes are made to the article. I am asking this as a courtesy; I am not suggesting there is anything illegal or sanctionable about what you are doing, just asking as a favor that you leave the article alone and let it be evaluated. I encourage you to weigh in at the AfD discussion, but not to massively change the article a second time. In particular, I am going to restore the lede to the previous neutral version, and I would prefer to restore the whole article to the version that many people have already weighed in on. --MelanieN (talk) 20:08, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

No, the version that LavaBaron created was simply not based on sources. Yes, it had sources in it but those sources did not actually support the text that he wrote. You can't make stuff up and then add in a barely relevant inline citation at the end to make it look legit. Deleted or not, we just simply don't do that. This is putting asides just basic wrong headedness like titling a section "etymology" when it has nothing to do with etymology, apparently because the editor has no idea what that word means (hint - neologisms don't have etymologies that's why makes them neologisms). I'm not going to restore a bunch of crap to the article, in contravention of policy, simply because it's at AfD. And while I support the deletion of it, editors should be able to make up their mind about their !vote based on as good a version as possible - and that means NOT restoring the orIginal.Volunteer Marek (talk) 21:14, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Marek - this article is under 1RR restrictions per ArbCom's U.S. politics case. I haven't been keeping close track but I think you've reached your limit today. Also I'd appreciate it if you ping me when discussing me or making affirmative declarations about my competence such as I have "no idea what that word means". Best - LavaBaron (talk) 22:19, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

William John Cox

Earlier this year I did some work on the William John Cox article and just noted the addition of the advertisement notice, apparently by you. Unsure if something I did triggered the notice and interested in ensuring my edits conform with Misplaced Pages guidelines, could I trouble you as to your specific concerns? I did not see any flagged comments. Incunabulum1 (talk) 22:46, 8 December 2016 (UTC) Recommended changes made by removing all recently added material and external links. The long-standing balance consisting of neutral material based on primary sources not edited. Thank you for your concern. Incunabulum1 (talk) 18:49, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Arbcom sanctions at Steve Bannon

I suggest you self-revert this edit. The notice t the top of the talk page says "All editors must obtain consensus on the talk page of this article before reinstating any edits that have been challenged (via reversion)". Whatever you reason for reinstating the edit, you are clearly in breach of this. StAnselm (talk) 01:27, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

FBI and CIA

That source may have been synth, but see my comment at Talk:Russian involvement in the 2016 United States presidential election regarding some contradictions between the FBI and CIA on this. You may find it interesting. Sagecandor (talk) 05:39, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Sure, but that's not the same as what the text in the article claimed.Volunteer Marek (talk) 05:40, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Agreed. Sagecandor (talk) 05:41, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Lighter fluid

Dear VM, this recent edit of yours is certainly an entertaining quote but wouldn't you agree that it doesn't sound very encyclopedic? I would have reverted but I burned my daily 1RR elsewhere… — JFG 22:30, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions alert

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Please note that United States presidential election, 2016 and many related articles are under a 1RR restriction. Ks0stm 04:11, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

A beer for you!

For dealing with this ridiculous "identitarian" issue (your comment in the talk sums it up pretty well. Chrissymad ❯❯❯ Talk 14:31, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Paraphrased quotes

Does this look better ? Sagecandor (talk) 08:00, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Nah, I still think it's WP:UNDUE.Volunteer Marek (talk) 08:42, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Maybe we can keep it in principle while trimming it down some? Trying to find some common ground compromise for whoever it was that added it. Sagecandor (talk) 08:44, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Notice

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Casting Aspersions

You accused me at AE of making false or misleading claims (casting aspersions). I have asked that you either WP:REDACT your statement or provide proof that any of the items I brought to the attention of administrators at AE are false or misleading. Thank you. SashiRolls (talk) 15:24, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

@Volunteer Marek:You can refer to these if you need to in the future: and and , and finally, . Sagecandor (talk) 16:42, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

precisely zero of which show me making a false or misleading claim, but you know that, sage.  :) SashiRolls (talk) 17:05, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Trump on Libya

Hey Volunteer Marek. I apologise if it seems like I was tampering with the Donald Trump article's foreign policy section. I just wanted to specify Trump's history on Libya because I feel like the phrase "he has since then reversed his position several times," is too vague and needed to be specified in order to maintain objectivity and not risk painting Trump in a negative light. I should have used more good secondary sources, though. On the same token, I believe that when it comes to Donald Trump, in particular, there occasionally are times where primary sources are preferable to secondary sources in that there have been, to be fair, a number of times where the media has taken something Trump has said out of context. I don't want to come across as some diehard rabid fanboy, but this is something I have noticed. For example, in the Access Hollywood tape, I heard the whole thing and read the transcript and not once did I think that he was talking about sexual assault. He was just talking about the sort of "aura" rich and successful businessmen like him have with women, yet if you read/watched a lot of the so-called "reliable" stories about the tape, you were fed a narrative that Trump was proudly admitting to sexual assault, which is simply not true. In this case, offering up a simple transcript of the tape would have been better and more objective than allowing a third party to interpret the tape (and, ironically enough basically do their own original research, at the end of the day) who, despite their occupation, aren't always fair and balanced in their coverage, as a source. And also, some of these publications I have seen be considered "reliable" sources for Donald Trump (take Huffington Post, for example) take pride in their hatred of Donald Trump and openly admit that they are biased against him (just take a look at HuffPo's Donald Trump "editor's note"). Just something to keep in mind. I'm not trying to dog pile on the media. I'm just trying to say that they're not perfect. I also understand, however, that good, reliable, and credible secondary sources are needed to keep the subject in question in check and allow their claims to be examined and verified, rather than just take them on their word. I am willing to contribute to the article (with your help) to make sure there is zero bias towards either side. Not too pro-Trump or too anti-Trump. Neutrality is the key. Again, I apologize if it seems like I was tampering with the page. I am still pretty novice to this whole editing thing (despite being on the site for several years) and am willing to learn. Thank you for reading, Wildboy7 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wildboy7 (talk • contribs) 07:44, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

We can't use primary sources in situations like these. We really do need to go by secondary sources, whether one agrees with them or not.Volunteer Marek (talk) 18:25, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Okay. I understand. I acknowledge that good secondary sources are necessary in order to maintain objectivity. Thank you for your help. Wildboy7 (talk) 20:04, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Yo Ho Ho

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Thanks! And same to you! And hell, same to everyone on Misplaced Pages.Volunteer Marek (talk) 05:22, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

talkpage comments

Yes, that was an error due to edit conflict. Thank you for assuming good faith. Athenean (talk) 07:47, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry Merry

Season's Greetings, Volunteer Marek! At this wonderful time of year, I would like to give season’s greetings to all the fellow Wikipedians I have interacted with in the past! May you have a wonderful holiday season! MarnetteD|Talk 01:04, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

There is always one card at the bottom of the sack that doesn't go out with the others. Fortunately Rudolph said that he would drop it off :-) Best wishes for your 2017 as well VM. MarnetteD|Talk 01:04, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Certain reversions...

It is for your kind information that a closure can't simply be undone in the lone basis that it is closed by a non-admin.Also, any uninvolved editor may close the discussion if a clear consensus points to a particular way.Thanks!Light 19:45, 26 December 2016 (UTC) I,ve reverted you closure temporarily.If you still feel otherwise, you may proceed as you wish without any interference by me on the issue.Light 19:45, 26 December 2016 (UTC) Light 19:45, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Sure it can, since WP:RfC explicitly states that RfC should be closed by an uninvolved admin. And this "clear consensus" isn't really all that clear, especially if you account for how recent the RfC is and the fact that it's the holidays. So yeah, I'm gonna undo it.Volunteer Marek (talk) 19:57, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

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AE report

here. Étienne Dolet (talk) 07:29, 28 December 2016 (UTC)