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	The Hill "The New York Times first broke the news of Spicer's resignation, reporting that he told the president that hiring Scaramucci was a mistake." http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/343148-priebus-after-spicer-resignation-says-all-good-here-at-white-house ] (]) 17:27, 21 July 2017 (UTC)		The Hill "The New York Times first broke the news of Spicer's resignation, reporting that he told the president that hiring Scaramucci was a mistake." http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/343148-priebus-after-spicer-resignation-says-all-good-here-at-white-house ] (]) 17:27, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

			== False statements ==

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			* You twice removed (, , the statement about the false statements. Given that this was stable text in the article, you should not have done that. See the large notice atop this page: " All editors must obtain consensus on the talk page of this article before reinstating any edits that have been challenged (via reversion)." You made an edit, which was challenged. You should self-revert.

			* You are simply incorrect that "this sentiment is not reflected in the source material" - Did you read the sources cited? They clearly support the statement made, saying "a series of false and misleading claim":

			{{quote\|As press secretary, Spicer drew criticism for making numerous false or controversial statements.<ref name="KesslerJan22">{{cite news\|url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/22/spicer-earns-four-pinocchios-for-a-series-of-false-claims-on-inauguration-crowd-size \|title=Spicer earns Four Pinocchios for false claims on inauguration crowd size \|work=] \|access-date=January 23, 2017 \|first=Glenn \|last=Kessler \|author-link=Glenn Kessler (journalist) \|date=January 22, 2017 \|deadurl=no \|archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20170122194054/https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/01/22/spicer-earns-four-pinocchios-for-a-series-of-false-claims-on-inauguration-crowd-size/ \|archivedate=January 22, 2017 \|df=\|quote=He managed to make a series of false and misleading claims in service of a relatively minor issue....Spicer earns Four Pinocchios, but seriously, we wish we could give five.}}</ref><ref>{{cite news\|author=Danny Vinik\|work=Politico\|date=January 24, 2017\|url=http://www.politico.com/blogs/donald-trump-administration/2017/01/spicer-trump-voter-fraud-claim-234121\|title=Spicer makes misleading voter fraud claim to defend Trump's false voter fraud claim\|quote=Pressed for those studies, Spicer then offered a falsehood of his own}}</ref><ref>{{cite news\|author=Aaron Blake\|work=Washington Post\|url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/04/18/the-white-houses-misleading-statements-about-trumps-armada-heading-to-north-korea/\|title=The White House's misleading statements about Trump's 'armada' heading to North Korea\|date=April 18, 2017}}</ref>}}

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Long lead

I think the lead may be a bit too long, going into too much detail. His first statement to the press (apparently there is a distinction between statements and official press conferences) is probably the thing Spicer is best known for. (He also reminded me of Saddam's spokesman, independently of commentators who came with the same association.) But the third paragraph is a bit overdone. Bever (talk) 19:49, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Agreed, it could definitely use a trim. Trying to cram summaries of press conferences for press secretaries into leads is undue and results in needlessly long leads, as you said. The "Baghdad Bob" opinions is also possibly BLP problematic, but I'd have to take a closer look at the sources. Hidden Tempo (talk) 22:57, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

What does this mean?

Trump had reportedly been dissatisfied with Spicer's performance as White House Press Secretary for some time, however it is not believed that this stance was not connected to Spicer's resignation. It's very unclear. Armyporlibe (talk) 16:49, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

I agree. He did not resign because Trump was not thrilled with his work. Peter K Burian (talk) 17:03, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/21/us/politics/sean-spicer-resigns-as-white-house-press-secretary.html And other news media are also providing the same reason, although they may just be using the facts developed by the New York Times.

e.g. CNBC "White House press secretary Sean Spicer abruptly resigned Friday after opposing President Donald Trump's appointment of Anthony Scaramucci as communications director. The New York Times first reported the news. The president asked Spicer to stay in his role, but Spicer said appointing Scaramucci was a major mistake, the Times reported, citing a person with direct knowledge of the conversation." http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/21/sean-spicer-resigns-as-white-house-press-secretary-after-objecting-to-scaramucci-hire-nyt.html

The Hill "The New York Times first broke the news of Spicer's resignation, reporting that he told the president that hiring Scaramucci was a mistake." http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/343148-priebus-after-spicer-resignation-says-all-good-here-at-white-house Peter K Burian (talk) 17:27, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

False statements

Hidden Tempo:

You twice removed (edit 1, edit 2, the statement about the false statements. Given that this was stable text in the article, you should not have done that. See the large notice atop this page: " All editors must obtain consensus on the talk page of this article before reinstating any edits that have been challenged (via reversion)." You made an edit, which was challenged. You should self-revert.

You are simply incorrect that "this sentiment is not reflected in the source material" - Did you read the sources cited? They clearly support the statement made, saying "a series of false and misleading claim":

As press secretary, Spicer drew criticism for making numerous false or controversial statements.

References

Kessler, Glenn (January 22, 2017). "Spicer earns Four Pinocchios for false claims on inauguration crowd size". The Washington Post. Archived from the original on January 22, 2017. Retrieved January 23, 2017. He managed to make a series of false and misleading claims in service of a relatively minor issue....Spicer earns Four Pinocchios, but seriously, we wish we could give five. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
Danny Vinik (January 24, 2017). "Spicer makes misleading voter fraud claim to defend Trump's false voter fraud claim". Politico. Pressed for those studies, Spicer then offered a falsehood of his own
Aaron Blake (April 18, 2017). "The White House's misleading statements about Trump's 'armada' heading to North Korea". Washington Post.

--Neutrality 17:51, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

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