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Fails WP:GNG. Yet another Shreveport-related figure who might have local notability but nothing beyond that. One of many Shreveport bios created/maintained by a rather niche group of contributors - several others have recently been deleted. Sitush (talk) 00:55, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

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• Delete Two articles in The Shreveport Times does not notability make. Chris Troutman (talk) 01:00, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

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• Keep. Article has eight sources, not two. Was a "Did you Know" in 2009. Subject fully notable.97.105.163.82 (talk) 12:40, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

• And your geolocation + interests suggests you are a sock of the banned Billy Hathorn The sources you reinstated were blogs etc. - Sitush (talk) 12:48, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

• Keep An oral history interview with Van Thyn is on file at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, she was an Attaway fellow, was awarded an honorary degree, an annual Rose and Louis Van Thyn Holocaust Lecture Series is held at Centenary College, and she was given a National Conference of Community and Justice award. Passes WP:GNG. -AuthorAuthor (talk) 19:48, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

• You're going to have to explain this to me. I don't see the significance of an oral history interview, nor an honorary degree - neither have ever counted towards notability in any article I've seen. The significance of other things you mention are just plain meaningless to me, perhaps because I am not in the US. - Sitush (talk) 19:56, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

• Keep I found plenty of news sources in LA that document her life and achievements significantly. She passes GNG. Please see the article. I cleaned it up and added sources. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 00:50, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

• WP:BIO1E applies. She was a holocaust survivor and all the media is driven off that. Chris Troutman (talk) 02:56, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

• Comment The subject was a Holocaust survivor who, according to news sources, was a Holocaust educator. Over the years she was recognized for her service toward that effort. So, no, the media was not driven off of only surviving the Holocaust. If you read the sources, you will see that media was driven afterward by her Holocaust education efforts. Thank you. -AuthorAuthor (talk) 08:05, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

• Do you know what? I've tried four times now to draft a response to that and each time I have had to stop because I just know someone will be waiting to shout "anti-semitism". Let's just say that your sources seem to be pretty poor: almost entirely one local newspaper that simply churns out what it is fed by people wanting publicity for a cause/event etc. That's the same the world over. She was a "local hero" as an educator, whoop-de-doo, but so is the headteacher of every primary school and their frequent mentions in local papers don't create notability. It is the event that fascinates in this instance, not the person. - Sitush (talk) 08:44, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

@Sitush: She was indeed a local hero, educator and Holocaust survivor. There is nothing in GNG that precludes local entries as long as RS cover them. She is covered extensively in two different LA newspapers. I'm not arguing to keep her just because of "anti-semitism:" she passes GNG. The news in these sources covering her isn't just routine--it's significant and starts as early as the 1990s and continues after her death. Not every educator is covered like that, nor are all survivors of the Holocaust. A named endowed chair at a college is named after her and she received other awards as well, showing that she wasn't just a "whoop-de-doo" run of the mill educator. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:16, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Holders of named chairs are notable, not the person they're named after. Local heroes are not notable per se, hence why so many Indian bios get deleted and indeed, in part why so many articles such as this created by Billy Hathorn have gone - as Bearcat said in different circumstances, it is the local media's job to write about such people. - Sitush (talk) 07:19, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

• Keep, strong referencing. This is clearly not the week to be putting so much effort into deleting a nationally recognized Holocaust survivor, unless it was done to send a negative message. When you say "I am not antisemitic, but ..." you are. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 18:39, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

• @Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ): WP:AGF. I don't, but you should. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:44, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
• Fuck off, Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )Norton. You know nothing about me, my relations and friends. - Sitush (talk) 07:19, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

• Keep The article has been substantially improved since the nomination and the subject appears to have sufficient coverage to satisfy WP:GNG. I encourage the lone "delete" !voter to review the revised article and reconsider. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 19:25, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

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