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*'''Comment''' at least a discussion was opened for this, as opposed to the nominator's without any discussion whatsoever. ] (]) 21:25, 16 August 2017 (UTC) *'''Comment''' at least a discussion was opened for this, as opposed to the nominator's without any discussion whatsoever. ] (]) 21:25, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
:* {{ping|User2534}} relevance? Are you going to participate here...or what? Per ] and ] I could make a redirect I thought was uncontroversial. This article has been through an AfD so such a move would need a consensus. I can happily begin a discussion there as well.] (]) 22:00, 16 August 2017 (UTC) :* {{ping|User2534}} relevance? Are you going to participate here...or what? Per ] and ] I could make a redirect I thought was uncontroversial. This article has been through an AfD so such a move would need a consensus. I can happily begin a discussion there as well.] (]) 22:00, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
*'''Note''' that this page had a well-attended AfD less than 2 months ago. And AfD that overwhelmingly ivoted to '''Keep''' this article. This appears to be a sneaky attempt to overturn the consensus reached at AfD.] (]) 11:27, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

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ISIS

Again I have removed the mention of ISIS from the lead as their claim is baseless. Linking to their "news agency" is like saying ISIS did this attack because ISIS says so, we need it to meet WP:V by adding sources that back this claim up as the truth. As far as terrorism goes, last I saw this was still under investigation. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 17:00, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

He wrote a farewell letter addressed to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. Linking to ISIS is not wrong. --Rævhuld (talk) 18:42, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
Many terrorist attacks (if that is what this is) are carried out in the name of ISIS but that does not mean the group itself coordinated the attack; It's called a lone wolf. ISIS also claimed responsibility for an incident at a Filipino casino but that turned out to be a robbery gone wrong.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 18:59, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
If the attacker has clearly linked himself to ISIS - by a declaration, then this is clearly ISIS linked (as the perp admits inspiration by ISIS - who is inspiring Muslims to rise up and strike). When ISIS just claim responsibility - it is a different matter, though still worth mentioning as it is notable.Icewhiz (talk) 20:23, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
So ISIS links itself to the attack, the attacker links himself to ISIS, but we shouldn't include ISIS here because it has nothing to do with ISIS? I don't get it. --Rævhuld (talk) 15:26, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Use of the noun "attack" to describe this event

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Use of the noun "attack" to describe this event

Alfred Nemours (talk) 02:19, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
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Merge proposal

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I propose that this article be merged and redirected to List of terrorist incidents in France. The subject had three days (I'm being generous) of news coverage immediately following the incident and has not been addressed in any significant way or shown to have had a significant societal impact. Please do not show me passing one-sentence mentions of the attack in reports regarding other incidents because, as we should now, they do not contribute to WP:CONTIUEDCOVERAGE. Per WP:NOTNEWS, WP:LASTING, and WP:GEOSCOPE, this incident does not necessitate a standalone page but, in the spirit of WP:PRESERVE, can be merged. Much of the relevant information from this attack is conveniently listed at the proposed merge destination but I still am seeking some sort of consensus before making the move. If everyone is WP:SILENT, I have unanimous consent to merge.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 22:36, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

  • Comment - Just to add to my rationale, WP:RAPID obviously no longer applies. The incident received coverage for about three days and disappeared from view, aside from brief passing mentions in media reports about other attacks. No WP:LASTING impact was established and a merge can/will retain essential information. At this point, we have an article with background info already better covered elsewhere (like the merge destination!) and trivial facts about the perp.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 05:38, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose It's notable enough to have a standalone article and information would get lost by implementation in a list.--Rævhuld (talk) 08:44, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Rævhuld can you explain what useful information will be lost? May I remind you Misplaced Pages is not an indiscriminate collection of info. Look at the list and its source, and tell me with all honesty if it does not cover the essential components of this incident. And even if it doesn't, this merge discussion can address that with another sentence or two.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 18:34, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Support - Graceful cites appropriate Misplaced Pages policies that apply here which include WP:PRESERVE. I disagree that information would be lost on lists as we have featured lists here on Misplaced Pages that easily summarize things. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:24, 16 August 2017 (UTC)
  • Note that this page had a well-attended AfD less than 2 months ago. And AfD that overwhelmingly ivoted to Keep this article. This appears to be a sneaky attempt to overturn the consensus reached at AfD.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:27, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
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