Misplaced Pages

Hi Black Kite - thanks for the reply, and no worries. I see I'm far from the only open unblock request. I am again requesting diffs of material that I am reverting because I "don't like it." I do acknowledge that I have reverted material for POV and UNDUE reasons, but have always tried to encourage discussion on the talk page, as a big supporter of WP:BRD. In the cases that I reverted a second time, I remember only doing this on pages with no 1RR policy, and am under the impression that contested material must not be reinstated without discussion/consensus on the talk page (on DS pages, which Stephen Miller (political advisor)'s is not). My two edits on 8/2/17 that you referenced and subsequent double reversions by another editor occurred shortly after the press conference, and better sourcing was not yet available (and yes, I should have waited until it was). This is the material that the other editor put it in its place, which I reverted as POV and borderline BLP-violating, and the editor received no support for his version and no trace of it is in the current material. Please also note that there was extensive talk page discussion of this material, as evidence of my efforts to come to a collaborative consensus, although unfortunately it degenerated into endless squabbling of personal attacks, despite my repeated requests to keep edits focused on the material rather than specific editors. Of course two wrongs don't make a right, but without diffs I have no way of seeing the edits you're referring in which I am reverting perfectly acceptable material. For what it's worth, I would gladly accept an unblock with a 0RR on post-1932 politics restriction, as obviously it would be a massive improvement on an indef block. Thanks again for the comment. Hidden Tempo (talk) 18:16, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Amicus brief

I happen to enjoy editing the minefield that is current US politics, and have come to interact with Hidden Tempo as well as many "regulars" in this subject area. I do not see a pattern of bad behaviour from this specific editor, which would justify an indef block, not by a mile. The incident that triggered the block stems from different interpretations of the sourcing and BLP policies, and HT's rationale for his stance sounds totally appropriate, although the edit-warring must of course be frowned upon. But I've seen numerous cases where BLPVIO trumps EW -- again, that would be a matter of individual judgment, warranting at best an admonition cum trout, at worst a short block for occasional edit-warring. I note that HT makes frequent use of talk page discussions and guidance boards, and exhibits no battleground mentality. For all those reasons, I recommend to rescind the block. — JFG 15:54, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

I also can't see the rationale for the indef block. Would be good for User:MastCell to provide more info to the process here. I see several other editors share these concerns. Mr Ernie (talk) 18:27, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you both very much for your support. I am in no way claiming that I have not made mistakes, but an indefinite block in this situation I view as a massive over-sanctioning under the circumstances. Hidden Tempo (talk) 18:31, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

I've been keeping a close eye on these discussions, and regardless of whether my personal views mesh with yours or not this indef block does seem draconian - given that punishments aren't doled out on Misplaced Pages (every measure is preventative) and that you seem willing to work with the community on their concerns. User:MastCell does mention sockpuppetry (a pretty big accusation) so there could be more here than we can see, but MastCell can provide whatever public sock investigations there are, if any. Garchy (talk) 18:53, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Hidden Tempo/Archive. Basically, Hidden Tempo was topic-banned from American politics under the relevant ArbCom sanctions (, appeal declined). He then used a sockpuppet to evade the topic ban, and got caught. He was indefinitely blocked at the time, as is our custom in such cases where people act deceptively. Ultimately he talked an admin into giving him another chance, and he was unblocked with a 6-month topic ban from American politics, which, it appears, expired in early July. All of this is on-wiki and available to anyone with a bit of diligence; no off-wiki information went into my decision-making.

Looking at the history here, Hidden Tempo has triggered multiple blocks and even a topic ban because of his disruptive and tendentious editing in the topic area of American politics. There is also evidence that he attempted to evade these sanctions using a sockpuppet. His block log shows that he's very good at acting contrite when caught, and in talking people into giving him a 2nd/3rd/4th/nth chance, but it also shows that the behaviors in question are quickly repeated whenever leniency is given.

I've been doing this for awhile, and to me, this is a pretty cut-and-dried case of someone waving a huge red flag saying "I'm not suited for this project; I have no respect for its policies or principles; and I have no interest in this project beyond its potential as an ideological platform". I respect the judgement of Black Kite, and if he or another admin wants to work out a plan to lift the indefinite block then I won't stand in the way. But I am mildly bemused at the arguments here; after all, Hidden Tempo has fooled us more than once, and you know how the saying goes. MastCell  19:14, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for providing that detailed info, User:MastCell - I figured there was more to the story (more than just topic bans, that is) and you've confirmed that for me. My concerns with indef blocking tend to do with the inevitable socking to get around such bans. Not that everyone should be given multiple chances (as in the case here), but sometimes it can easier to keep an eye on an editor with a known history than it is to go through and correlate all the socks :) Garchy (talk) 19:21, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Garchy - please review my unblock request. I admitted to my ban evasion with a sockpuppet in the request, and admitted to the sockpuppetry when I was reported to SPI when I was found out. I made a handful of edits to two talk pages. MastCell provided no new information, here. Doug Weller blocked me and extended my ban by 1 month - I have done my time for the sockpuppetry. So I have been sanctioned twice, and as I pointed above, the proverbial straw for the TBAN was for mentioning the allegations against Chelsea Clinton, which I practically copy-pasted from the headline of a RS. Unless you're counting the above incident where I was very briefly blocked for referring to Clinton's 11% trustworthiness polling as a "feeble" number (which I don't think any other admin would have endorsed), that is two sanctions. I really don't know why I'm being portrayed as some weaselly troll who has been given "3rd/4th/nth chances" and needs to be pulverized with an indef to prevent further damage to the project, but I have made numerous positive contributions to the encyclopedia. I have contributed to film (even created the Tony Vinciquerra article and sports with no problems.

Nobody's "fooling" anybody. How often do people with "no respect for policies or principles" strive to reach consensus on talk pages? How many of them take content disputes to the NPOV noticeboard? The BLP noticeboard? How many Wikipedians with "no respect" repeatedly ask editors who are personally attacking other contributors to direct their edits on the content, rather than the individual, as per the diagram on my user page? How many of these disrespectful editors politely ask administrators for page protection to prevent vandalism? What about self-reverting and apologizing, after another user (Neutrality) pointed out that I mistakenly violated 1RR, and subsequently thanked for our collaboration and courtesy by an administrator during the discussion? MastCell - you stated that "the behaviors in question are quickly repeated whenever leniency is given." I have not been soapboxing, in fact I have encouraged other users to move irrelevant discussions to my talk page. I have not violated BLP even once. I have not created, nor used any sockpuppet account since the unblock. I have not repeated any behaviors in question, and I have already stated that my single 3RR violation in my editing history was a mistake, and would not reoccur. I am in no way saying I am a saint and should have an RfA opened in my name - but just another problem editor who needs to be crushed due to wanton disrespect for WP:PAG and WP:3RR? I do not see any justification for this sanction. Hidden Tempo (talk) 20:31, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

User:Hidden Tempo, I hate to break it to you, but I'm not an admin so I can't review your block - if I could I would most likely excuse myself anyway to allow a completely uninvolved admin to comment (I'm nearly uninvolved, but there are enough admins out there with no notions who can review this). Good luck! Garchy (talk) 20:34, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Garchy. I realize that, I just meant "review" my request, as in take a look and see that I explicitly reference my sockpuppetry offense 6 months ago. I don't want to be seen as not being transparent, and hiding information. I have great confidence that even with a few blemishes in my history, an indefinite block is way out of proportion for what is tantamount to a 3RR violation. Hidden Tempo (talk) 20:47, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

I agree with JFG. The idea that Hidden Tempo's editing is WP:TENDENTIOUS, hyper-partisan, and agenda-driven is patently absurd. Hidden Tempo's editing appears to be motivated by a desire to remedy that kind of editing. The diff provided as evidence of their supposed tendentiousness illustrates this perfectly: In this edit, they removed a claim, stated as fact and sourced from -yet not found in- an opinion piece. If anything, they should be thanked for their commitment to upholding WP:NPOV, and perhaps warned against edit warring in the future. An indefinite ban? Ridiculous. Cjhard (talk) 05:02, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks very much, Cjhard. Exactly what I was trying to communicate - a statement of fact cannot be made in WikiVoice from an opinion piece. Also, could an admin (Swarm or Black_Kite perhaps?) help dissuade Morty C-137 from edit-warring to get false sockpuppet claims and other accusations on my userpage? He also has posted these same false claims on his own user page without evidence, and I believe that's also a personal attack. We had some content disputes before my block, and it appears he is now acting out. Thanks. EDIT 8/10/17: Please disregard the bit about the user page enemies list. Morty has had his user page deleted as a result of an AN/I filing. He has also not attempted to reinstate the material on my page so it should be okay now. Hidden Tempo (talk) 13:51, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi MastCell, just checking in. Am I still being considered for the unblock, or am I meant to submit a formal ticket request to have an uninvolved administrator review my block? I read the appeal guide but it was a little unclear as to whether I'm supposed to wait for the result of the template first, or if I can also submit a ticket request for the uninvolved admin review also. Thanks. Hidden Tempo (talk) 21:15, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay. When you place an unblock request using the {{unblock}} template, you're automatically added to Category:Requests for unblock. You should be able to see your username there. The process is that other uninvolved admins patrol that category, and one of them will respond to your request. (In practice, we have a declining number of admins and, in particular, a declining number willing to take on these sorts of situations, which is probably why you haven't heard much yet). I've said my piece, and it's not my place to review your unblock request - the intent is for another set of fresh eyes to review it. You can also use WP:UTRS - either in parallel or in series - but I don't know much about that system. MastCell  17:14, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Alex Shih - I hope you don't mind my pinging you, but I see you handle a good amount of administrative actions and thought you may be able to help (feel free to direct me to another admin if appropriate). It appears my blocking admin has gone inactive for a few days now and isn't responding to my request for clarification. Could you please see the above question? I'm wondering if there is something else I could be doing right now in regards to the unblock request, or perhaps there is an ongoing discussion on an admin board concerning my case? I am seeking a review by an uninvolved (not political-article involved, specifically) administrator. Apologies if you're busy, I understand the back and forth above is kind of a journey. Thank you in advance for your assistance. Hidden Tempo (talk) 15:23, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

•  Comment: Based on what I have read so far, I cannot say I disagree with the current decision. With that being said, I may review the request in the coming days if I have the time and no one else volunteers. In the meanwhile, if you can submit a editing proposal for the next 6 months, it will be immensely helpful. The reason being that in order for your indefinite block to be lifted conditionally, a stricter version of the previous topic ban would most likely be reinstated indefinitely, with the option to appeal after 6 months. Regards, Alex Shih 16:25, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Revised/Fresh Unblock Request

Hidden Tempo (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

• Disruptive editing. My goal is always to find common ground with other editors to help build the encyclopedia. Many discussions have been robust and even heated at times, but I hold WP:V in high regard and strive to stay true to source material. I have brought content disputes to the WP:BLP noticeboard, the NPOV noticeboard, the OR noticeboard, and have engaged in countless talk page discussions regarding content. I have collaboratively worked with editors on content disputes to find common ground when we may initially disagree (such as Neutrality and MelanieN). My editing is collaborative in nature, not disruptive.
• Tendentious editing. Again, my edits are always geared toward NPOV language. When editors disagree, I engage in conversation on the talk page. I have only violated 3RR once, and when I accidentally violated 1RR on Sean Spicer, I self-reverted immediately after it was pointed out to me by Neutrality. I do not accuse others of vandalism, and after questioning the validity of "Isthmus" as a RS on James O'Keefe, I took it to the RS noticeboard, and dropped the WP:STICK after consensus stacked up against my view. While it's true that I have strenuously argued my case for material numerous times, I concede when the consensus is not in my favor. I lack all of the defining features of a tendentious editor.
• Agenda-driven editing. My only "agenda" is to improve the encyclopedia. While of course I have my own person opinions (as all editors of political articles do), I consistently make an effort to leave them at the door when I log in to WP. I work very hard to maintain neutrality of my edits regardless of my own personal opinions, and of course welcome constructive criticism of my edits.
• Edit-warring. I admit that I engaged in an edit war with two to three editors at Stephen Miller, and I was wrong for doing that. I should have taken a break, and allowed my posting on the OR noticeboard to come to a consensus. While it does not excuse my violation of 3RR, I did so because I believed that the contentious, poorly-sourced material that was being repeatedly reinstated without consensus violated WP:BLP, and therefore must be removed immediately (as BLPVIO’s do not count against 3RR). The source was an opinion article, which did not contain any material about an "attack on Americans" or a "deficit of nationalism," material which was eventually removed from the article. However, I understand that this is not an excuse to edit war. If unblocked, I will not engage in an edit war again (even if I believe the material is a BLPVIO).
• Numerous sanctions for prior behavior. This one is false. I did receive a topic ban for soapboxing and apparently violating BLP, which I probably deserved as Bishonen did give me warnings beforehand . Since then, I have not been soapboxing and have repeatedly implored other editors to address concerns with my editing or tangential criticism of my edits as a whole to my talk page, rather than disrupt content discussions with side-debates. I have not violated BLP even once since my TBAN. The other sanction to which MastCell is referring is a series of blocks all related to my single incident of sockpuppetry in February. While I will not try to explain or excuse that incident, it was my one and only violation and my socking days are over. Per WP:APPEAL, "Once a block is over, it's over," and since this is my sole SP infraction (and always will be), this sanction should not be factored into this block (although I have seen at least two editors reference this sanction as if it should somehow alter a 3RR block). But I have never been sanctioned for disruptive/tendentious/agenda-driven editing, or edit-warring. This is my first sanction for the above infractions, for which I was given an indefinite block without warning.
• On a final note, I included the below material in the UTRS request as I did not want to publicly air an admin's dirty laundry and be viewed as disruptive/being uncivil toward an admin, but it appears that system is not appropriate for my type of block, so please expand the section below this request to view the relevant information. Thank you. Hidden Tempo (talk) 04:58, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Notes:

• In some cases, you may not in fact be blocked, or your block has already expired. Please check the list of active blocks. If no block is listed, then you have been autoblocked by the automated anti-vandalism systems. Please remove this request and follow these instructions instead for quick attention by an administrator.
• Please read our guide to appealing blocks to make sure that your unblock request will help your case. You may change your request at any time.

If you ask the blocking administrator to comment on this request, replace this template with the following, replacing "blocking administrator" with the name of the blocking admin:

{{Unblock on hold |1=blocking administrator |2=I was given five primary reasons for my indefinite block, and would like to attempt to briefly address all of them. My goal here is not to debate or wikilawyer my way out of a sanction – rather to show why the sanction is massively disproportionate, and to assure the reviewing admin(s) that I am able to edit the encyclopedia productively and without need for any future sanction. Apologies for the length, but I feel many nuances were missed in my first unblock request, which is emphasized by the continuing lack of consensus regarding my fate. * '''Disruptive editing.''' My goal is always to find common ground with other editors to help build the encyclopedia. Many discussions have been robust and even heated at times, but I hold WP:V in high regard and strive to stay true to source material. I have brought content disputes to the WP:BLP noticeboard, the NPOV noticeboard, the OR noticeboard, and have engaged in countless talk page discussions regarding content. I have collaboratively worked with editors on content disputes to find common ground when we may initially disagree (such as Neutrality and MelanieN). My editing is collaborative in nature, not disruptive. * '''Tendentious editing.''' Again, my edits are always geared toward NPOV language. When editors disagree, I engage in conversation on the talk page. I have only violated 3RR once, and when I accidentally violated 1RR on ], I self-reverted immediately after it was pointed out to me by Neutrality. I do not accuse others of vandalism, and after questioning the validity of "Isthmus" as a RS on ], I took it to the RS noticeboard, and dropped the ] after consensus stacked up against my view. While it's true that I have strenuously argued my case for material numerous times, I concede when the consensus is not in my favor. I lack '''all''' of the defining features of a ]. * '''Agenda-driven editing.''' My only "agenda" is to improve the encyclopedia. While of course I have my own person opinions (as all editors of political articles do), I consistently make an effort to leave them at the door when I log in to WP. I work very hard to maintain neutrality of my edits regardless of my own personal opinions, and of course welcome constructive criticism of my edits. * '''Edit-warring.''' I admit that I engaged in an edit war with two to three editors at ], and I was wrong for doing that. I should have taken a break, and allowed my posting on the OR noticeboard to come to a consensus. While it does not excuse my violation of 3RR, I did so because I believed that the contentious, poorly-sourced material that was being repeatedly reinstated without consensus violated ], and therefore must be removed immediately (as BLPVIO’s do not count against 3RR). The source was an opinion article, which did not contain any material about an "attack on Americans" or a "deficit of nationalism," material which was eventually removed from the article. However, I understand that this is not an excuse to edit war. If unblocked, I will not engage in an edit war again (even if I believe the material is a BLPVIO). * '''Numerous sanctions for prior behavior.''' This one is false. I did receive a topic ban for soapboxing and apparently violating BLP, which I probably deserved as Bishonen did give me warnings beforehand . Since then, I have not been soapboxing and have repeatedly implored other editors to address concerns with my editing or tangential criticism of my edits as a whole to my talk page, rather than disrupt content discussions with side-debates. I have not violated BLP even once since my TBAN. The other sanction to which MastCell is referring is a series of blocks all related to my single incident of sockpuppetry in February. While I will not try to explain or excuse that incident, it was my one and only violation and my socking days are over. Per ], '''"Once a block is over, it's over,"''' and since this is my sole SP infraction (and always will be), this sanction should not be factored into this block (although I have seen at least two editors reference this sanction as if it should somehow alter a 3RR block). But I have never been sanctioned for disruptive/<s>tendentious</s>/agenda-driven editing, or edit-warring. This is my first sanction for the above infractions, for which I was given an indefinite block without warning. *On a final note, I included the below material in the UTRS request as I did not want to publicly air an admin's dirty laundry and be viewed as disruptive/being uncivil toward an admin, but it appears that system is not appropriate for my type of block, so please expand the section below this request to view the relevant information. Thank you. ] (]) 04:58, 15 August 2017 (UTC) |3 = ~~~~}}

If you decline the unblock request, replace this template with the following code, substituting {{subst:Decline reason here}} with a specific rationale. Leaving the decline reason unchanged will result in display of a default reason, explaining why the request was declined.

{{unblock reviewed |1=I was given five primary reasons for my indefinite block, and would like to attempt to briefly address all of them. My goal here is not to debate or wikilawyer my way out of a sanction – rather to show why the sanction is massively disproportionate, and to assure the reviewing admin(s) that I am able to edit the encyclopedia productively and without need for any future sanction. Apologies for the length, but I feel many nuances were missed in my first unblock request, which is emphasized by the continuing lack of consensus regarding my fate. * '''Disruptive editing.''' My goal is always to find common ground with other editors to help build the encyclopedia. Many discussions have been robust and even heated at times, but I hold WP:V in high regard and strive to stay true to source material. I have brought content disputes to the WP:BLP noticeboard, the NPOV noticeboard, the OR noticeboard, and have engaged in countless talk page discussions regarding content. I have collaboratively worked with editors on content disputes to find common ground when we may initially disagree (such as Neutrality and MelanieN). My editing is collaborative in nature, not disruptive. * '''Tendentious editing.''' Again, my edits are always geared toward NPOV language. When editors disagree, I engage in conversation on the talk page. I have only violated 3RR once, and when I accidentally violated 1RR on ], I self-reverted immediately after it was pointed out to me by Neutrality. I do not accuse others of vandalism, and after questioning the validity of "Isthmus" as a RS on ], I took it to the RS noticeboard, and dropped the ] after consensus stacked up against my view. While it's true that I have strenuously argued my case for material numerous times, I concede when the consensus is not in my favor. I lack '''all''' of the defining features of a ]. * '''Agenda-driven editing.''' My only "agenda" is to improve the encyclopedia. While of course I have my own person opinions (as all editors of political articles do), I consistently make an effort to leave them at the door when I log in to WP. I work very hard to maintain neutrality of my edits regardless of my own personal opinions, and of course welcome constructive criticism of my edits. * '''Edit-warring.''' I admit that I engaged in an edit war with two to three editors at ], and I was wrong for doing that. I should have taken a break, and allowed my posting on the OR noticeboard to come to a consensus. While it does not excuse my violation of 3RR, I did so because I believed that the contentious, poorly-sourced material that was being repeatedly reinstated without consensus violated ], and therefore must be removed immediately (as BLPVIO’s do not count against 3RR). The source was an opinion article, which did not contain any material about an "attack on Americans" or a "deficit of nationalism," material which was eventually removed from the article. However, I understand that this is not an excuse to edit war. If unblocked, I will not engage in an edit war again (even if I believe the material is a BLPVIO). * '''Numerous sanctions for prior behavior.''' This one is false. I did receive a topic ban for soapboxing and apparently violating BLP, which I probably deserved as Bishonen did give me warnings beforehand . Since then, I have not been soapboxing and have repeatedly implored other editors to address concerns with my editing or tangential criticism of my edits as a whole to my talk page, rather than disrupt content discussions with side-debates. I have not violated BLP even once since my TBAN. The other sanction to which MastCell is referring is a series of blocks all related to my single incident of sockpuppetry in February. While I will not try to explain or excuse that incident, it was my one and only violation and my socking days are over. Per ], '''"Once a block is over, it's over,"''' and since this is my sole SP infraction (and always will be), this sanction should not be factored into this block (although I have seen at least two editors reference this sanction as if it should somehow alter a 3RR block). But I have never been sanctioned for disruptive/<s>tendentious</s>/agenda-driven editing, or edit-warring. This is my first sanction for the above infractions, for which I was given an indefinite block without warning. *On a final note, I included the below material in the UTRS request as I did not want to publicly air an admin's dirty laundry and be viewed as disruptive/being uncivil toward an admin, but it appears that system is not appropriate for my type of block, so please expand the section below this request to view the relevant information. Thank you. ] (]) 04:58, 15 August 2017 (UTC) |decline = {{subst:Decline reason here}} ~~~~}}

If you accept the unblock request, replace this template with the following, substituting Accept reason here with your rationale:

{{unblock reviewed |1=I was given five primary reasons for my indefinite block, and would like to attempt to briefly address all of them. My goal here is not to debate or wikilawyer my way out of a sanction – rather to show why the sanction is massively disproportionate, and to assure the reviewing admin(s) that I am able to edit the encyclopedia productively and without need for any future sanction. Apologies for the length, but I feel many nuances were missed in my first unblock request, which is emphasized by the continuing lack of consensus regarding my fate. * '''Disruptive editing.''' My goal is always to find common ground with other editors to help build the encyclopedia. Many discussions have been robust and even heated at times, but I hold WP:V in high regard and strive to stay true to source material. I have brought content disputes to the WP:BLP noticeboard, the NPOV noticeboard, the OR noticeboard, and have engaged in countless talk page discussions regarding content. I have collaboratively worked with editors on content disputes to find common ground when we may initially disagree (such as Neutrality and MelanieN). My editing is collaborative in nature, not disruptive. * '''Tendentious editing.''' Again, my edits are always geared toward NPOV language. When editors disagree, I engage in conversation on the talk page. I have only violated 3RR once, and when I accidentally violated 1RR on ], I self-reverted immediately after it was pointed out to me by Neutrality. I do not accuse others of vandalism, and after questioning the validity of "Isthmus" as a RS on ], I took it to the RS noticeboard, and dropped the ] after consensus stacked up against my view. While it's true that I have strenuously argued my case for material numerous times, I concede when the consensus is not in my favor. I lack '''all''' of the defining features of a ]. * '''Agenda-driven editing.''' My only "agenda" is to improve the encyclopedia. While of course I have my own person opinions (as all editors of political articles do), I consistently make an effort to leave them at the door when I log in to WP. I work very hard to maintain neutrality of my edits regardless of my own personal opinions, and of course welcome constructive criticism of my edits. * '''Edit-warring.''' I admit that I engaged in an edit war with two to three editors at ], and I was wrong for doing that. I should have taken a break, and allowed my posting on the OR noticeboard to come to a consensus. While it does not excuse my violation of 3RR, I did so because I believed that the contentious, poorly-sourced material that was being repeatedly reinstated without consensus violated ], and therefore must be removed immediately (as BLPVIO’s do not count against 3RR). The source was an opinion article, which did not contain any material about an "attack on Americans" or a "deficit of nationalism," material which was eventually removed from the article. However, I understand that this is not an excuse to edit war. If unblocked, I will not engage in an edit war again (even if I believe the material is a BLPVIO). * '''Numerous sanctions for prior behavior.''' This one is false. I did receive a topic ban for soapboxing and apparently violating BLP, which I probably deserved as Bishonen did give me warnings beforehand . Since then, I have not been soapboxing and have repeatedly implored other editors to address concerns with my editing or tangential criticism of my edits as a whole to my talk page, rather than disrupt content discussions with side-debates. I have not violated BLP even once since my TBAN. The other sanction to which MastCell is referring is a series of blocks all related to my single incident of sockpuppetry in February. While I will not try to explain or excuse that incident, it was my one and only violation and my socking days are over. Per ], '''"Once a block is over, it's over,"''' and since this is my sole SP infraction (and always will be), this sanction should not be factored into this block (although I have seen at least two editors reference this sanction as if it should somehow alter a 3RR block). But I have never been sanctioned for disruptive/<s>tendentious</s>/agenda-driven editing, or edit-warring. This is my first sanction for the above infractions, for which I was given an indefinite block without warning. *On a final note, I included the below material in the UTRS request as I did not want to publicly air an admin's dirty laundry and be viewed as disruptive/being uncivil toward an admin, but it appears that system is not appropriate for my type of block, so please expand the section below this request to view the relevant information. Thank you. ] (]) 04:58, 15 August 2017 (UTC) |accept = accept reason here ~~~~}}

Supplemental material/Discussion related to blocking administrator's editing history

Hi again Alex Shih, only pinging you since you mentioned that you may review my unblock request if you have time. I don't know if you noticed or not but I made a new unblock request that specifically addressed each reason for the indef block and laid out either why each is either untrue and/or will not (re)occur. I also included the above section illustrating why the blocking editor should not be issuing AP2-related sanctions in the first place, as I'm not sure how familiar WP administrators are with MastCell's editing patterns. MastCell protested the collection of diffs showing his history and intense interest in adding pro-choice literature and unfavorable material to conservative/Republican BLPs (diffs in collapsed section above), and I gave him the opportunity to clear up the alleged misunderstanding that he called "dishonest." That was a week ago, and he provided nothing.

I'm still really unclear how an editor such as myself with this kind of attitude that has been described as "collaborative and courteous" by two administrators just weeks before an indef block could be described as "tendentious"/"hyper-partisan"/"agenda-driven." I don't have access to the admin discussion board of course, but I'm having a very hard time imagining admins looking at these diffs and saying "Oh yes, this is an editor who can't possibly be trusted to edit film and sports articles. And looking at these diffs, we must indefinitely block this editor to prevent him from disrupting AP2 articles with his 'collaborative' and 'courteous' discussion." Of course a sense of camaraderie among admins is to be expected, and I understand that admins will be reluctant to disagree with sanctions placed by other admins, but I think in this case the above diffs really don't back any of the five indef reasons. The only one with merit is my sole 3RR violation (that I've agreed not to repeat), which I believe a 72-hr block is standard, a time frame which has long passed. A neutral, objective review would be appreciated. Thanks.

• Here's the context: you were blocked for WP:BLP violations in service of your political agenda in December 2016, but let off with a promise to behave. You didn't; you were then topic-banned from American politics because of your "persistent tendentious editing, soapboxing, and WP:BLP violations". You appealed the topic ban, and it was upheld by a consensus of uninvolved admins (). You then used sockpuppets to evade your topic ban, and got caught, resulting in an indefinite block. (Note that I played no role in any of these episodes, although you're free to focus your unblock request on my supposed misdeeds if you really think that helps your case). You were let off, once again, with a promise of good behavior—a promise which you once again broke, with combative posts and edit-warring.

  Since you bring up the issue of "standard" sanctions, in making your case for a 72-hour block, let's talk about them. The standard sanction for someone who's repeatedly proven to be a tendentious editor, and who has deceptively used sockpuppets to evade their sanctions, is an indefinite block. When you were instead let off with time served, it should have been abundantly clear that you were on your last-last chance to shape up and edit responsibly. In my view, for someone who's been given an unusual degree of leeway and repeatedly abused it, the standard sanction is an indefinite block, not 72 hours.

  I think you've proven remarkably adept at presenting a contrite facade when you get caught, and someone may buy it, again, and let you off with a promise to behave, again. But you haven't shown any respect for this site's policies or behavioral expectations, except for when you get caught violating them. MastCell  18:41, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

(apologies for wall of text, but this is important and many false accusations were made)

That's not "context." That's a series of half-truths used to defend an indefensible sanction, which has resulted in something of an outcry of protest against your actions. I was blocked for an alleged BLP violation (referring to an 11% polling number as "feeble"), and yes, I was t-banned for alleged violations that have not taken place since, except in your eyes. And as I've shown above, your wealth of AP2 edits are exclusively in favor of liberal/Democratic positions and exclusively to the detriment of conservative/Republican positions - that is your frame of reference, and you do not dispute it. Your inflammatory edit summaries only cement your purpose in the AP2 arena. That's the context of your "political agenda/tendentious" accusation.

In regards to your "sockpuppets" claim, I did in fact make a handful of edits with one sockpuppet on a talk page before I was aware of the seriousness of the infraction, and yes, was blocked and unblocked as I agreed never to violate the policy again (which I didn't). Per WP:APPEAL, "Once a block is over, it's over." Using an unrelated past violation of WP policy to bolster your case for a sanction 6 months later is tremendously inappropriate, and falls well outside of WP:ADMINACCT restrictions. I was not "let off" with a promise of "good behavior." I was unblocked as I no longer posed a sockpuppeting threat to the project - per WP:BLOCK, "blocks should not be punitive." And yes, I do believe that highly agenda-driven AP2 administrators (see diffs above) should not be handing out AP2 sanctions for his/her perceived agenda of others, and the section above does strongly support my case that you made a mistake (a sentiment which has already been echoed by several other editors). Again, tendentious editors are not praised for their "collaboration" and "courtesy" by two separate administrators. They just aren't. Not sure why you keep using that word, but it doesn't apply to editors who get praised for their collaboration by multiple administrators. You've done absolutely nothing to show that I am unable to edit AP2 articles collaboratively, much less any other topic. I still would have appealed a topic ban, but an indefinite block is to be issued when the editor is unable to edit any part of WP, which my contribs prove is clearly not the case.

What you've now shown is that you're less concerned with blocking policy, and much more concerned with being "right," rather than getting it right. You use aggressive, emotionally-charged language like "you got caught," "you are good at acting contrite," you need to "shape up" and "edit responsibly," "you promised to behave," rather than actually support your opinions with diffs (another ADMINACCT breach). Using an abundance of diffs, I've proven that I exhibit zero qualities outlined in WP:TEND (I examined the definition point by point and refuted them all), while you have shown that you have little regard for ADMINACCT due to your a) using sanctions punitively, b) failing to give me a suitable warning (while simultaneously gently warning another editor for multiple, repeated, reprehensible BLP violations, until other admins came and properly issued the block) and c) allowing your own personal political beliefs to guide your judgment in issuing sanctions. That's the true context of this sanction, and I think reviewing admins should absolutely look at your history. Your contribs speak for themselves, so admins don't even need to rely on my diffs. They can readily observe the same pattern that I and others have found for themselves.

Also notable is that you still haven't addressed the bizarre sequence of events leading up to my block: you take a two-month vacation, return to Misplaced Pages, make a few damaging edits to John K. Bush's BLP, and then indef block me all within about a half hour. You went from John K. Bush to AN/I, scanned the entire board, picked out the report filed against Nfitz, extracted my name mixed in with the abundant detritus that had accumulated, skimmed my contribs from the past 6 months, and indefinitely blocked a 3-year editor within a space of about ten minutes. You then casually continue on your way to go make some favorable abortion edits and call it a day. The fact that you've completely failed to explain this incredibly concerning and irregular timeline only lends credence to the need for scrutiny of the blocking editor. I see that since our last interaction, your most significant edits have been predictable and following the pattern that I've outlined: adding some pro-choice material, including an edit summary that not-so-subtly reveals your stance on abortion , a questionable application of the "conservative" label to a group that disagrees with the generally liberal view that gay couples should be permitted to adopt, and of course some material siding with Antifa/counter-protestors and linking neo-Nazis to Donald Trump over there at Unite the Right rally. This ongoing trend is significant, and very relevant to your application of AP2 sanctions.

Hidden Tempo (talk) 20:26, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

As an aside to Dweller if he is watching this page, in my search for a neutral admin to review my request, I have personally come across at least one admin with multiple BLP violation on his/her user page, and another admin who is using a sockpuppet without the notifying template. This is why I pinged a bureaucrat. Frankly I'm worried that one of these admins who is flaunting policy will come and simply block my talk page access because I "know too much" or will simply drop off a few dismissive links to WP:ROUGEADMIN and WP:CABAL, have a few snickers over the whole thing, and then leave me to rot along with the other indef blocked editors who've had their requests open for months or even years. Hidden Tempo (talk) 20:38, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

@Hidden Tempo: Sorry, I will have to decline to review based on the editing behaviour that I am seeing here. FT2, a former arbitrator, commented on Nfitz's unblock request, and he will probably be able to help you better. Alex Shih 22:07, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

What editing behavior are you referring to? MastCell provided no diffs...did you review the diffs I provided of administrators praising my collaborative editing and courtesy? Do you see absolutely no problems with MastCell's editing patterns, and feel he is qualified to hand out AP2 related sanctions? Anyway, thanks for the review regardless. Hopefully FT2 will review the unblock request, as well as the supplementary section regarding MastCell's problematic contributions. To FT2 and any other reviewing admins: feel free to ask any questions about anything that seems unclear, or for any additional diffs disproving the four main reasons that I can't be trusted to edit film-related articles (the fifth reason, a single 3RR violation, I already admitted to). Hidden Tempo (talk) 22:24, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) If this is a request to take a look, then sure.

What the wall of text seems to say (on a quick skim, and without assuming motives or actions): Hidden Tempo has a past record of problematic editing. Probably at least part in good faith, but enough to get a Arbcom topic ban notice from Bishonen, a long-standing admin, followed by a block, evasion of the block with socks, and was then contrite and allowed to edit again. That was mostly from what I can tell, last year or early this year (the socks being on SPI around Feb+March). That's quite a time ago in wiki terms. MastCell and some others feel the behavior hasn't stopped, they believe that Hidden Tempo is a tendentious editor who is good at convincing people to grant more chances. Hidden Tempo seems to feel that MastCell and perhaps others shouldn't be taking an admin role in a subject where they have a strong editing history (even if not on that exact article), and are judging him/her unfairly. So we've come to a point where one bunch of people are pretty sure Hidden Tempo is unable to be helped and verging on a full ban, while Hidden Tempo is either acting cleverly or else if I assume good faith, is trying to solve a problem of wiki-bureaucracy that seems to not be hearing what he's saying and is frustrated but trying to do right.

Both interpretations are plausible; unfortunately both happen quite often.

My gut feel on a quick skim, is that there's a fair-to-good chance Hidden Tempo is trying to do right. I've dropped an email to both him and the blocking admin (to avoid adding lots of words to this wall of text). In it, I describe what I am seeing and what might help to resolve the discussion or make it more productive. Right now this thread has a lot more "heat" than "light", not much focus on the core points of conduct and BLP. The main evidence of poor conduct seems to be a finger pointed at a set of blocks 8 months ago that were evaded 6 months ago plus an unsupported claim of continuing tendentiousness without recent diffs, a single 3RR that's been apologized for, and a disputed removal that may or may not have been aiming to fix a BLP vio and may or may not have been in good faith. Hmm.

Like I said, I've emailed both with a more detailed version of the above (I felt in an experimental mood!) and if asked I'll post it here, but for now - let's cool down, let the user and blocking admin see if there's anything of value in it, and see if they can restart this discussion more successfully. FT2  00:07, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

• I've been on this page before, and I'll be quick. I love unblocking editors, but I see a few problems here. First is this lengthy argument that the blocking admin was guilty of foul play because of their politics; that's a real serious charge, and the editor is--unfortunately--goaded by someone saying "look at the current Arb case". Unfortunately that case is completely and utterly different, as I think anyone can see even without arb glasses: . In other words, blaming the blocking admin--well, so far the block hasn't been seriously challenged, and at least some of the charges were admitted, no? Second, given the editor's history (sorry, Hidden Tempo) I think that a restriction of sorts is proper--fortunately they proposed something along those lines themselves. FT2, I urge you to consider a restriction, not just to prevent possible disruption but also to--Hidden Tempo, I'm sorry, this sounds patronizing--protect the editor from himself, like in that Stephen Miller business. And that puts me at my word limit for this talk page. Later, Drmies (talk) 02:56, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
• Oh, looking over this page again, I see "Frankly I'm worried that one of these admins who is flaunting policy will come and simply block my talk page access because I "know too much""... Now that remark worries me. That's today? Hidden Tempo, it's admins that will have to unblock you. Accusing them of flaunting policy and having some sort of hit squad is not the way to win them... Drmies (talk) 03:00, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Drmies - thanks for the comment. No offense taken, when I first entered the AP2 arena last October or so I admit I was woefully unfamiliar with many WP policies that just don't come up that often in other areas. I didn't know that you had to use diffs before mentioning something negative about a BLP, I didn't really know what a BLPVIO was, I didn't know about WP:SOAP, and I'm embarrassed to say that I actually thought having two accounts to edit with was just fine (although I admit that I knew was being shady when I socked in Feb/Mar). After my topic ban, my editing style totally changed - no soapboxing, diffs everywhere, urging side discussions to take place at my talk page rather than articles, etc. And as I've stated twice now, I've had two administrators praise me for engaging in "collaborative" discussion and my "courtesy." This is why I'm so perplexed by this diff-less block by MastCell. It just doesn't make any sense. The 3RR is the only one that has any real validity, which I already confessed to and said I would not repeat.

In regards to the admins "flaunting policy," I could email you their names if you'd like with diffs, but it's a real concern. I know you've been an admin for a very long time and even serve on Oversight, but please put yourself in my shoes for a minute: if you're trying to get unblocked, and two very prominent admins who issue and remove sanctions regularly are currently violating WP policies, would you want them meandering over to your talk page to weigh in? The two admins in question share the editing patterns of MastCell (although not nearly as pervasive and obvious), so I have no hope of either of them honoring my unblock request. I'm merely making the point that admins are not always right, and blocked editors are not always wrong. I practically begged every admin that came to this page (and even pinged a b'crat to take a look at MastCell's contribs) and none of them bothered to even skim them or click the diffs in the section above. Or if they did, they came to the conclusion that "Yep, looks good. That's what we expect from AP2-sanctioning admins," but just didn't say anything about it. I can't possibly be the only editor who finds it strange that all the regular editors here agree with me, and all the admins agree with the blocking admin. I'm honest to a fault - I could fall at my knees and shower MastCell and other admins with doting praise and self-flagellate myself repeatedly for violating 3RR, but that's not who I am and I don't really know if that would do more for my chances. I strongly believe that this block should never have happened, and I back that up with an avalanche of diffs. Hidden Tempo (talk) 03:24, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

@Drmies - I'm not planning to block or unblock. I suspect things will work out okay for all sides in this case (it feels that way!) and I don't know the full facts either. I'm fine with commenting as I've been pinged, if it helps to resolve the issue.

As to the other comment, it's not important, and probably just situational venting. People say daft things when under stress, especially when the stress comes from an arcane system and from a level of miscommunication by both parties that feels frustratingly like there's no way to sort a problem out. (Wiki editing can be badly arcane: it's worth editing as a newcomer every few years to remind oneself how newcomers experience it.) I think we need a slightly thick skin for non-attack comments like that which are much more likely to be venting out stress than actual belief in paranoiac conspiracy theories. We've historically tolerated such comments in the past - "rouge admins" and "cabal" are terms that didn't spring from nowhere.

@Hidden Tempo - check your email if you haven't done so (see above, I emailed both you and MastCell). FT2  03:38, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, FT2. I replied to your email. Also in light of your above edit, you may find this edit that I made earlier today slightly amusing, if you have not already seen it. EDIT: In case it wasn't clear, I didn't mean that my edit was literally meant to "amuse," but rather to point out that those two particular essays are almost always cited when any wrongdoing is alleged against a WP admin. I find that dismissive and incredibly unfair. If no reviewing admin is willing to take MastCell's editing history into account during the review, I'm willing to remain silent about the issues in question and focus solely on the 5 reasons given for the indefinite block (with no diffs). Hidden Tempo (talk) 03:44, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

• @FT2: Thanks for your email, but barring any significant privacy concerns, I think it would be best to handle this unblock request on-wiki rather than via email. At a rough glance, 75% of this unblock request is dedicated to attacking me. It's as if Hidden Tempo is using Examples of Bad Unblock Requests as a how-to guide. What's missing is any sort of credible introspection about his own actions. It's up to you whether to enable and reward that behavior. MastCell  01:03, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

MastCell, I've noticed that you've said some things a number of times here that aren't quite true, but have some vague resemblance to the truth. You've accused me of using sockpuppetS, promising to "behave", being unblocked for "good behavior", showing "no respect" for WP:PAG, and now you're claiming that I'm "attacking" you. I'm not attacking you. I am following WP:GAB to the letter: "You must explain why it was wrong to block you." Well, as you are a very active AP2 editor with a clear preference for one political perspective, I have shown with an abundance of diffs why it was wrong for you to block me. Per WP:GAB, in my unblock request I have:

• State your reason for believing your block was incorrect or for requesting reconsideration. - See my unblock request above. Reasons 1-3 were subjective but debunked with diffs, reason 5 is false (also debunked with diffs), and reason 4 was confessed to and I repeatedly stated that 3RR would not be a problem for me, even when the material being removed is BLPVIO material.
• Address the blocking administrator's concerns about your conduct (the reason given for your block). - See above.
• Give evidence. - See above, as well as numerous edits I've made since the block was issued. My reasons for the block to be reversed and comments regarding your editing history is backed by a wealth of diffs. This page is littered with diffs from me, in contrast to your lack of diffs. I can only surmise that since you decided to indef block me after about 10 minutes or less of deliberation (in between adding damaging material to John K. Bush's BLP and abortion-favoring material to Abortion and mental health, you simply didn't have time to go through my edit history and collect any evidence before making your decision. It's all but impossible to go through an editor's entire 3-year editing history, sanction log, block log, and issue the block/write your reasoning on AN/I in a span of ten minutes, much less gather diffs.

My entire unblock request is focused on my own behavior, so I really have no idea why you would claim that there is no "introspection" on my part. Nothing in WP:EBUR even remotely resembles my clear, concise, diff-backed, WP:GAB compliant unblock request. Any admin that sees what you just said is free to glance at my UBR and decide for themselves who is telling the truth. When they look at the diffs I've provided (and compare them to the zero that you have provided), the timeline and reasons for my block will crystallize even further. Hidden Tempo (talk) 02:27, 25 August 2017 (UTC)